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    Part 3 - EL G in da house (Demo)

    Rode for at least 5 hours today in the El G..................Did a trail called Berryman Trail, Potosi, Missouri. A loop of just over 24 miles and 23.8 miles of this is pure single track... I really enjoyed this ride, loads of short ups and downs, switchbacks a plenty, rocks, roots, rock slabs, knarly speedy short downhills, this trail had is all.... But F%&k a duck it was hot and really humid, dont think I have sweat this much before... Had a blast though.

    Will add my disclaimer here again, the Pearl shock sucked, but I love the El G, as I said, I wasnt going to let the fact the Pearl sucks, let my thoughts of the bike be lowered...

    So as I said, rode for 5 hours on the El G, it is a great all day epic bike to ride... I am stunned that I pretty much cannot tell this bike weighs more than my ML. It is a pleasure to ride for hours.......... Did loads of climbing today, these were short, rocky, rootey climbs, the front end just does not wonder at all, barely gets light, this is amazing for a 160mm fork.......

    I am now understanding what FM meant saying he has gone to the RFX with 6 inches of travel, but will AM ride it.... The El G is like this, for my riding, this bike can replace the MotoLite with ease.... Dare I say it, the Nomad is getting great reviews as a great true adaptable to all terrain more or less bike, the EL G will be in this realm for sure...

    It was mentioned in my other post that we are still yet to hear feedback of the El G with another shock combo. This will really be the tell all on this frame........

    I got used to the Pearl for sure, hated the pppsssttt every time the shock compressed, it was not really active on the small bumps etc, but hucking it say from 2 or more feet, I felt the shock worked OK....

    All in all, a very worthwhile weekend demoing the El G.... Need to sort out when the Ti version will be available..............

    I really recommend getting yourself a demo if you are in the market for a new steed, even if your thoughts are with a ML, you will be pleasantly surprised....

    A few shots, we had to much fun to take loads of photos. If you are in the area of this trail, well worth a visit and ride this trail.....
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    Whafe... your not only the king of the Bling you are also King of Temptation 2 weeks ago I thought my UGI is cured ..... BTW nice pics.. thanks for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by barelylegal
    Whafe... your not only the king of the Bling you are also King of Temptation 2 weeks ago I thought my UGI is cured ..... BTW nice pics.. thanks for sharing
    Yep, know that temptation thing, some ways demoing this was bad for the UGI, not that I need to upgrade anything... Will await some other views to come forward for sure..... Would only upgrade if I could find a decent home for the ExoGrid ML....

    Just packing the El G back into its box so as it can head back home to Competitive Cyclist.... That company has a slick operation going with demo bikes, and they are not shabby spec'd bikes either.... Ryan & Eric, go you good things you....
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    Whafe,

    That same EG is coming my way in two weeks. Thanks for the great write-up's. Remember, the Ti version is in the pipeline...

    Competitive Cyclist is for sure the shnizzle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex
    Whafe,

    That same EG is coming my way in two weeks. Thanks for the great write-up's. Remember, the Ti version is in the pipeline...

    Competitive Cyclist is for sure the shnizzle...
    Yep, she is all snug as a bug in the box, all ready for you.... Enjoy, am sure you will.... Just ignore the Pearl shock, it is still an awesome bike despite the shock....

    Yeah, I saw the 2nd version at the Titus factory.... mmmmm Hopefully it is not far from being commercial............

    Totally agree, Competitive Cyclist get a HUGE headsup from me..
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    Nice series Whafe, nice pics, looks like some tasty stuff in what I take to be your "back yard"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bear
    Nice series Whafe, nice pics, looks like some tasty stuff in what I take to be your "back yard"
    Just a temporary back yard whilst I am doing some work in St Louis for 2 weeks, back home to Spain on Thursday night.....To my more permanent backyard for one week, then to Whistler for one week of riding, a dream come true to ride there, yeah ha. Not too many sleeps to go.....

    But my real backyard is New Zealand............. Will get back there at some stage....
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    Awesome series Whafe.........don't dump the motolite yet. Take delivery of the Ti EG, transfer the wheels and drivetrain over, and WW the motolite as you convert it to a strictly 4 inch XC machine......voila. problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
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    A.M.: ROTFL

    Whafe: New Zealand. *sigh* I had such a good vacation there and only got to ride twice, jeepers but I would love to go back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bear
    A.M.: ROTFL

    Whafe: New Zealand. *sigh* I had such a good vacation there and only got to ride twice, jeepers but I would love to go back.
    bear, AM is indeed a poet, mean that, he can put words together so well...

    Well, if you were to go back to NZ, let me know, will hook you up for sure... Am thinking when I finally relocate back, going to have to put a road trip of MTB together in NZ, for all the MTBR buddies to come and shread the trails etc....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiEndo
    Awesome series Whafe.........don't dump the motolite yet. Take delivery of the Ti EG, transfer the wheels and drivetrain over, and WW the motolite as you convert it to a strictly 4 inch XC machine......voila. problem solved.
    I really didnt need you to come forward with a very logical and best practice solution TiE.... But am down with that, role on bonus time...

    Sheesh am trying to eliminate bikes, not gain more.... So what about my dream of a 29er SS.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Sheesh am trying to eliminate bikes, not gain more.... So what about my dream of a 29er SS.....

    Uhmmm it comes in 29'er exogrid form as well with triple exogrid tubes, so order one of those as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiEndo
    Uhmmm it comes in 29'er exogrid form as well with triple exogrid tubes, so order one of those as well
    Look dude, cut it out!

    Dont you think I dont stare at this picture daily...
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    Very nice review, well done. The bike looks good too. The Pearl is pretty harsh but as long as you know that then it is ok. I am not sure why the DHX air is not offered on the demo bikes, it's probably a better shock and I think is offered from Titus, not sure though.

    If I may ask, what is your leg inseam? I was torn between L and M; pretty happy with the medium, 34" inseam here. The GD post I have is a 4" drop model and would love to get a 5" whenever they come out so M is probably a better choice if I move that direction.

    Isn't it weird how climbing is so fun? More fun than a hardtail I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presslab
    Very nice review, well done. The bike looks good too. The Pearl is pretty harsh but as long as you know that then it is ok. I am not sure why the DHX air is not offered on the demo bikes, it's probably a better shock and I think is offered from Titus, not sure though.

    If I may ask, what is your leg inseam? I was torn between L and M; pretty happy with the medium, 34" inseam here. The GD post I have is a 4" drop model and would love to get a 5" whenever they come out so M is probably a better choice if I move that direction.

    Isn't it weird how climbing is so fun? More fun than a hardtail I think.
    It is a big topic as to why Titus deliver this steed with the Pearl, am still keen to hear the logic behind it... Am sure we will begin to hear some reviews with the DHX Air and other shocks in time. Be keen to hear how the Roco Air goes..... Thinking Roco Air and a new Marz 55....mmmmmmmmmmm

    You sure can, ask about my leg inseam, jus tnot my middle leg. My inseam is 34.2 inches, have long arms apparently 28 inches...

    Kinda interesting reading your inseam and that you are on a medium, and I feel the large is perfect with a 50mm stem, what stem length are you running on your medium?

    And yes, am still blown away how well the El G climbs..... Fantistico...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Am thinking when I finally relocate back, going to have to put a road trip of MTB together in NZ, for all the MTBR buddies to come and shread the trails etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    It is a big topic as to why Titus deliver this steed with the Pearl, am still keen to hear the logic behind it... Am sure we will begin to hear some reviews with the DHX Air and other shocks in time. Be keen to hear how the Roco Air goes..... Thinking Roco Air and a new Marz 55....mmmmmmmmmmm

    You sure can, ask about my leg inseam, jus tnot my middle leg. My inseam is 34.2 inches, have long arms apparently 28 inches...

    Kinda interesting reading your inseam and that you are on a medium, and I feel the large is perfect with a 50mm stem, what stem length are you running on your medium?

    And yes, am still blown away how well the El G climbs..... Fantistico...
    I saw that Competitive Cyclist offers the DHX air on the frame as new and somewhere I read that it is a factory option but I don't know for sure.. But yeah the Pearl is an "interesting" choice.

    No need for middle leg lengths, unless you use it to pedal with, that would be something..

    I have a ~50mm stem also with long bars, love the feel. It gives me room to move, I never have problems getting my butt back. On the climbs I just push the elbows out to get the weight forward, no big thing.. The short wheelbase helps the handling I'm sure. I like the more upright position..

    Am curious about the large but the med felt so good that I went with it and I'm happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Be keen to hear how the Roco Air goes..... Thinking Roco Air and a new Marz 55....mmmmmmmmmmm
    You meant 2008 66, right??
    Maybe 55 with RC2???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    It is a big topic as to why Titus deliver this steed with the Pearl, am still keen to hear the logic behind it..
    cost and weight..... the guapo is kinda heavy and doesn't look cheap to make. If they had to skimp to hit a price point and a weiht target.... at least the shox is replacable.

    and one thing to keep in mind... What feals best to the butt is not always "fastest". they may have used timed rider testing. the pearl has a heavy platform. the DHX A up to 07 had a very light platform compared to the pearl.. if you have norba pro cranking on it... the hard tail is going to win.

    I'm very please with my guapo's suspension feel with a DHXA. its a lot smoother then a ML with a push RP3. and has a very broad tunning range.

    my only concern thus far with the guapo handling is the low BB. it can really sneak up and bite me once I get tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    my only concern thus far with the guapo handling is the low BB. it can really sneak up and bite me once I get tired.
    I feel it, Demo... but IMHO, precisely when you're tired, when a low BB it's better (unless you're doing log piles). Being tired you make more mistakes and negotiating corners can get spooky.

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    Demo, you make good points as normal... I didnt at all hate the Pearl, have just ridden better shocks... I was NEVER in all the ride time cursing the shock.. I like to adapt to what I have, this bike hauled arse really for the weight. I for sure think this model will gain momentum, it is a stella frame...

    As I said in my first review post, the low BB nearly caused a major for me.. But got used to it... Did notice it loads on log crossings.... Just a time thing to get used to.... If (LOL) I build up an El G, I would run a double ring with a bash guard for sure....

    Sheesh the El G floated my boat, skid my wheels, turned my crank.... is a beasty ride....YEAH HA

    Hi ya Minty, bit of roasted bok over the weekend........ Not many sleeps for you bro, yeah ha, time is ticking on, am just stoked....
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    Why the Pearl?

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    It is a big topic as to why Titus deliver this steed with the Pearl, am still keen to hear the logic behind it
    Why the Pearl? It is a question that I hear often. All I can say is at the time we were deciding the spec for the 2007 line, the Pearl that we used in testing was the best performing shock available to us. (If you are so inclined, you can do a search and read my notes to our findings) I assume that other manufacturers felt the shock had some merit too, because I have seen the Pearl spec'd on other bikes as well.

    I can only speculate that there was some change that took place between the time we did our testing and the time that Rock Shox went into production with the Pearl. I do know that the Pearl that we tested was a was a pre-production model and built in Chicago. Perhaps that is why it felt so good. Maybe these pictures from Dodge can shed some light...You can see a major difference in the Dodge Charger from the concept vehicle that was first shown to what the production version finally looked like.

    Anyway, it looks as if we may have missed the mark on shock choice, but once you purchase a year's worth of components it's hard to make a switch mid-stream. Additionally, there have been so many negative comments out there on this damper that I think it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy...i.e. everyone says this shock stinks, so that is how you perceive it when it is ridden. Of course the nice thing is that if a component is flawed it can easily be replaced. If the frame design is flawed, well that is a much harder one to fix.

    I hope this sheds some light on our choice. There's not much to say other than at the time it was the best we had to work with. I wish I had something a little more profound to share with you. With RS discontinuing the Pearl for next year you can bet there there will be a new damper on the 2008 Guapo's. I won't tell you what it is, but for what it's worth, we have spent a considerable amount of time working with the manufacturer to get this one right. We've gone through four different revisions of this shock to make sure that it is dialed and I think you will be a lot happier with our choice this time around.

    As always, let me know if there's anything that I can do for you.

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    sweet pics, as always, Whafe!

    You are really stoked!

    I can see a Ti Guapo with red i9s in your future

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus Jeff
    Why the Pearl? It is a question that I hear often. All I can say is at the time we were deciding the spec for the 2007 line, the Pearl that we used in testing was the best performing shock available to us. (If you are so inclined, you can do a search and read my notes to our findings) I assume that other manufacturers felt the shock had some merit too, because I have seen the Pearl spec'd on other bikes as well.

    I can only speculate that there was some change that took place between the time we did our testing and the time that Rock Shox went into production with the Pearl. I do know that the Pearl that we tested was a was a pre-production model and built in Chicago. Perhaps that is why it felt so good. Maybe these pictures from Dodge can shed some light...You can see a major difference in the Dodge Charger from the concept vehicle that was first shown to what the production version finally looked like.

    Anyway, it looks as if we may have missed the mark on shock choice, but once you purchase a year's worth of components it's hard to make a switch mid-stream. Additionally, there have been so many negative comments out there on this damper that I think it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy...i.e. everyone says this shock stinks, so that is how you perceive it when it is ridden. Of course the nice thing is that if a component is flawed it can easily be replaced. If the frame design is flawed, well that is a much harder one to fix.

    I hope this sheds some light on our choice. There's not much to say other than at the time it was the best we had to work with. I wish I had something a little more profound to share with you. With RS discontinuing the Pearl for next year you can bet there there will be a new damper on the 2008 Guapo's. I won't tell you what it is, but for what it's worth, we have spent a considerable amount of time working with the manufacturer to get this one right. We've gone through four different revisions of this shock to make sure that it is dialed and I think you will be a lot happier with our choice this time around.

    As always, let me know if there's anything that I can do for you.

    Ride On!

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    Sweet Jeff, thanks a bunch for spelling this out again... For the record, as in my posts on my weekend riding a El G, I knew I had ridden better shocks, but it never once caused me pissed offness while riding... You have indeed produced a great bike, the thing blew me away, just in case you havnt read my posts....

    Please let us know when I can have a Ti El G in my hands please... You mentioned Fall 08, is this still the case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    sweet pics, as always, Whafe!

    You are really stoked!

    I can see a Ti Guapo with red i9s in your future
    mmmm would love one, seriously, this ride was great..........Time is the key here, need to sort things............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Please let us know when I can have a Ti El G in my hands please... You mentioned Fall 08, is this still the case?
    Hmmm. When I saw the Ti EG in San Francisco, I thought I heard later "this" year as an 08 model.

    It may have been what I wanted to hear, but I think that was the time frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex
    Hmmm. When I saw the Ti EG in San Francisco, I thought I heard later "this" year as an 08 model.

    It may have been what I wanted to hear, but I think that was the time frame.
    Know that feeling, I cant quite recall exactly what Jeff said when I was at Titus, I thought he said fall 08, but I like your thoughts more, "later this year as an 08 model"
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    Thank-you Whafe !~!

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    Great reviews Whafe.

    I'm on with a kiwi mtb adventure... never been there but starting to make waves for a good riding vacation. Maybe we should start thinking about some future date to work towards !~! Just give me some good warning so I can loose a few hundred pounds first

    Whistla would have been sensational. Thank-you for doing the work organising things and all your efforts are appreciated ... to bad I can't be there.

    Titus has certainly delivered the goods with the El G

    I am very stoked with the latest rendition of my Moto Lite. This reminds me that the Moto Lite is very capable with the right build for your purpose. No doubt I will be getting an El G in the future unless I go Super Moto madness. If only I could get both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
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    Great reviews Wharfe.

    I'm on with a kiwi mtb adventure... never been there but starting to make waves for a good riding vacation. Maybe we should start thinking about some future date to work towards !~! Just give me some good warning so I can loose a few hundred pounds first

    Whistle would have been sensational. Thank-you for doing the work organising things and all your efforts are appreciated ... to bad I can't be there.

    Titus has certainly delivered the goods with the El G

    I am very stoked with the latest rendition of my Moto Lite. This reminds me that the Moto Lite is very capable with the right build for your purpose. No doubt I will be getting an El G in the future unless I go Super Moto madness. If only I could get both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    We're like two book ends at the opposite ends of the earth!
    Blackie, my man... could you pull out the piece?? Is tha AM1SL back at 'Bama??
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    Oh Boy...

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    Blackie, my man... could you pull out the piece?? Is tha AM1SL back at 'Bama??
    Yeah had my first ride on it today, and it appears fixed. It was nice to finally ride again it's been like over a month since I had a "real" ride, and I'm used to riding almost everyday!

    I'll get right back and give you the low down on my little friday the 13th ordeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Yeah had my first ride on it today, and it appears fixed. It was nice to finally ride again it's been like over a month since I had a "real" ride, and I'm used to riding almost everyday!

    I'll get right back and give you the low down on my little friday the 13th ordeal.

    Be right back!
    Hey, That's great news!!!!!

    Yeah, I know the feeling you get from not riding... You feel like a cat in a bag. I pretty much feel like that and chances are not riding next weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Hey, That's great news!!!!!

    Yeah, I know the feeling you get from not riding... You feel like a cat in a bag. I pretty much feel like that and chances are not riding next weekend.
    That sucks man! You gotta try to work something out?


    Anyway so I had called Zoke on Tuesday and the guy on the phone went and checked on it for me, came back and without me saying anything for some reason ASSURED me I'd have it by the weekend. So I think awsome! I'm going out of town but I can take it with me and ride there. So Fri rolls around and it's starting to get late, and I'm worried cause I need to leave. I call Zoke, and he checks for me, and say's they haven't even started working on it yet! I tell him what I was told and he comes back and tells me they'll get right on it, and priority mail it to me, and I'll have it by 10:00Am the next morning. Awsome again than I remembre I'm getting ready to leave out of town! He tells me just give them the address and he'll send it where I'll be. So I'm running around like a chicken with his head cut off anyway, and doubly so since I'm trying to make sure I'll have everything I'll need for a fork installation. I get half way to where I'm going and relize I've got everything except the QR20!

    So bummer all that for NOTHING!!!! I swear I wanted to cry. So I got home this morning installed the little white beauty and thrashed the $hit out of it. In the mean time that part for the AM1 came that friday (of course) and I plan to get into it tonight or tomarrow if I'm too tired.


    Thanks for all your help brother!!!!

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    Blackey, that was a good write up....

    best ride report yet

    ("installed the little white beauty and thrashed the $hit out of it.")

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    Hey Whafe,
    I loved your review about the EG, now that I think about a new bike in the future, you pretty much convinced me to take a serious look at the EG. I know your riding style Bro, and I am thinking about an EG ....****e! ALLL GOOOD!
    Kovi

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    Thank you for the good comments.. They are appreciated...

    It sucks the BIG ONE re the airlines and Kovi's ML..... Kove, will you get full insurance to cover a new steed? If not, let us know, am sure we can all do something to help you get riding again...

    I agree, how well the El G peddled was amazing. To be able to build this as a 30 pound beast, sets it up for many options... As I was riding, was thinking of many options... But as a one bike, to have a set of heavey wheels and a coil shock, then have a lighter set and air shock.... This thing would suit so many riding terrains...

    A big thing for me too, which is shallow, I never really loved the look of the El G in pictures, can honestly say though, in the flesh, this thing is sexy... I think too a reason for this is the fact it is a large, the brace up the seat tube really balances the looks. Very flowy...
    The_Lecht_Rocks: whafe - cheeers - may i offer an official apology for the wagon wheeler "dis-belief"

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