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    No good My name is Greg, and I hate 29r's

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    Today I rode my cannondale flash again for the fifth and final time. I have come to the conclusion that 29r's aren't for me. I can honestly say that I hate them. They really have no place with my riding style or do they benifit me at all.

    I read an article a few months back (during butt-cold winter) that summed it up pretty well. "if you're riding consists of alot of JRA type trails a 29'r is great"

    I never "just ride along" I need a bike that is alive Something that I really feal on a 26" bike is a lively fealing. Like the bike wants to go, not just poke down the trails and roll over everything but a bike that wants to take that bump or root and either smash it into the ground or make a lip or berm out of it.

    I'm pissed that I wasted a morning ride on that damn thing. Should have taken the EG and had fun.

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    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible
    (rant on)

    Today I rode my cannondale flash again for the fifth and final time. I have come to the conclusion that 29r's aren't for me. I can honestly say that I hate them. They really have no place with my riding style or do they benifit me at all.

    I read an article a few months back (during butt-cold winter) that summed it up pretty well. "if you're riding consists of alot of JRA type trails a 29'r is great"

    I never "just ride along" I need a bike that is alive Something that I really feal on a 26" bike is a lively fealing. Like the bike wants to go, not just poke down the trails and roll over everything but a bike that wants to take that bump or root and either smash it into the ground or make a lip or berm out of it.

    I'm pissed that I wasted a morning ride on that damn thing. Should have taken the EG and had fun.

    (rant off)
    Not all 29ers are the same silly.

    29ers hadn't really interested me up until recently. Still, there are VERY few that I would consider to purchase. The one I did purchase is as fun as any bicycle that I have ever ridden...not life changing, but definitely fun.

    You certainly have the right to your opinion, although I would argue that you haven't ridden a 29er with nice "lively" handling. Maybe you're just upset because you make rash and uneducated purchases?
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    Well, you did ride a cannondale......
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    Maybe you're just upset because you make rash and uneducated purchases?
    Nah, not really rash and not really a purchase. I work in the shop so my stuff is at cost. The cannondale was the only thing that really caught my eye. I figured, "I'll try a lefty and a 29'r AT THE SAME TIME!! (two birds, one stone thing)

    My wife just bought a niner rip9 and we are working the kinks out with it as we speak. She likes it so far but feals similar to me. She says that the bike makes her feal lazy, like it just doesn't want to lift a tire or doing anything quickly.

    I'm sure there are places for them, but not under me.

    (btw, I did like the lefty but the lack of adjustments on the "cheap 700$ model" left me wanting more) HA , left me.....
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    Swapped and rode my buddies hardtail 29er for the first time last week. I took it up the rocky parts w/o unweighting it one bit. Actually, gave it all the weight I could and it rolled over some parts pretty well.

    The rear wheel didn't feel like it was gonna hang for too long, slamming it around like that on the way up. Maybe with bigger tires. Took my EG back for the way down
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible
    My wife just bought a niner rip9 and we are working the kinks out with it as we speak. She likes it so far but feals similar to me. She says that the bike makes her feal lazy, like it just doesn't want to lift a tire or doing anything quickly.
    The Rip9 is not one I would consider purchasing if I were looking for a "lively" bike either. You are now 0 for 2. Sure, maybe not rash, but looks uneducated to me. YMMV.
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    The Rip9 is not one I would consider purchasing if I were looking for a "lively" bike either. You are now 0 for 2. Sure, maybe not rash, but looks uneducated to me. YMMV.
    THe boss's wife had a rip. I messed with it for a few minutes one night on the trails. If anything I called the bike twitchy. I figured with some tuning I could get it close to the current 08 stumpy my wife is on. I could be wrong though (it has happened before )
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    Personally I would like to see a quarter mile drag race between a similarly equiped 26er and 29er. My feeling is that the 26er would win every time.

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    Sorry, but everytime I throw a leg over this I just melt... greatest ride I've ever owned.

    But yeah, I hear ya, when I'm headed to the High Country, it's the 26" Enduro SL and 6" of travel that git's er done!
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    It really depends on the bike. I have test ridden a Rockstar on some pretty chunky trails out in grand junction/ Fruita. I had plenty of fun on that bike. In the end I got a deal on a demo Pivot Mach 429, so that is what I have now. Yes I did get to test that out west too.

    I would really have no problems with either bike.

    I do realize that 29ers are not for everyone, so in the end ride what makes you happy.

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    Just drive a tank if u like 29ers. Tank roll down everything.

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    Never trust your "fealings".

    That said, 29ers are not really that great for the type/style of riding you like to do. No biggy. Now you know.
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    The rolling over everything of 29er is great except when you are not rolling and try to pull some of the crazier moves like on a regular 26er...at least that's what it feels like for me.
    So recently I tried to combine the best of both world... get some really fat rubbers on 26 rims that makes it almost 29er circumference wise.... guess its not everyone's cuppa but its the next best thing to the EG for me...


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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den
    guess its not everyone's cuppa but its the next best thing to the EG for me...[/IMG]
    Put a Lefty on that Pugsley and you'll be rockin!!!

    Wow, and I just noticed.... is that a FettSet you have on that thing?
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    fatback fun

    Wonder what size the 29er would turn into with some fattyboombadies
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    Sounds like a AA confessional or a medical condition. Take 2 26rs and call the doctor in the morning.
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    Lefty! Now why didnt I think of that... but

    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    Put a Lefty on that Pugsley and you'll be rockin!!!

    Wow, and I just noticed.... is that a FettSet you have on that thing?
    Nah just a regular headset from Nukeproof. clearer pic here https://picasaweb.google.com/KohDenn...36447676072994

    Im pretty happy with the rigid but did thought of the Maverick SC32-- about the ony fork on the market that will give the Pugs some boink. Doubt anyone is making a 135mm hub for the lefty ;(

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    So, the hardtail didn't flow as well or seem as fun to pop off of stuff as your full suspension bike ? You, my friend, must have stayed at a holiday inn express last night. We better alert nasa about this amazing discovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den
    Doubt anyone is making a 135mm hub for the lefty ;(
    Ahhhh, got it now, that's why I've never seen a fork on a Pugsley.... learn something knew every day. Uhmmmm... wonder if Jake at 321 wants to jump into another niche?
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    So, the hardtail didn't flow as well or seem as fun to pop off of stuff as your full suspension bike ? You, my friend, must have stayed at a holiday inn express last night. We better alert nasa about this amazing discovery
    In the past the hardtails I've had (97 schwinn homegrown, 99 caloi expert) have been able to pop off of things much better than the cannondale did.

    Don't be a jerk and assume the only thing I've ever ridden is my EG and the c'dale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli
    So, the hardtail didn't flow as well or seem as fun to pop off of stuff as your full suspension bike ? You, my friend, must have stayed at a holiday inn express last night. We better alert nasa about this amazing discovery.

    what?

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    Now u see one

    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    Ahhhh, got it now, that's why I've never seen a fork on a Pugsley.... learn something knew every day. Uhmmmm... wonder if Jake at 321 wants to jump into another niche?
    http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photo...4526_26623.jpg

    ..before it went back to the original rigid front and got teleported into my house

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible
    (rant on)

    Today I rode my cannondale flash again for the fifth and final time. I have come to the conclusion that 29r's aren't for me. I can honestly say that I hate them. They really have no place with my riding style or do they benifit me at all.
    (rant off)
    Thank God you posted this. It totally made it worth my trip to mtbr.com this morning.

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    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/21424346" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/21424346">Twenty Nine Inches</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/brianpark">Brian Park</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    uh hm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/21424346" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/21424346">Twenty Nine Inches</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/brianpark">Brian Park</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    Who would ever want to ride one of those!

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    Man that looks like no fun at all.... dude obviously isn't getting any air and he can't really nail the lines. Did you see how his rear end was fish tailing all over the place. Boy those 29ers really do shuck!!!
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    Any meaty 29 tires, like a big 2.3 or 2.5?

    Seems like I only see this 2.1 ish

    It would be cool to see a 142mm hub w/ wider and taller flanges for 29er.. and a 36

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    oh you guys......
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible
    oh you guys......
    Seriously? Did you even watch the video? I just posted a video that shows someone riding a 29er in a fashion that you claim is impossible to do on a big wheeled bike..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillJDOG
    Any meaty 29 tires, like a big 2.3 or 2.5?

    Seems like I only see this 2.1 ish

    It would be cool to see a 142mm hub w/ wider and taller flanges for 29er.. and a 36
    There are some decent bigger tires: Maxxis Ardent 2.4, Specialized makes a few (Purgatory 2.4's are sweet tires for 26ers and 29ers), WTB Dissents are 2.5 dual ply's (weight weenies not apply).

    There are a few 142mm and 150mm hubbed bikes out there/soon to be out. Check out the Banshee Prime. New AM-ish 29er due out later this year: Unfortuneately, forks are the weak link. Not many good options for beefy 6-inch single crowns....yet.

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    Seriously? Did you even watch the video? I just posted a video that shows someone riding a 29er in a fashion that you claim is impossible to do on a big wheeled bike..
    Wow ease back on the hostility! I never said it was imposible to do those things. I'm just saying they don't work for me. I actully was thinking about picking up a 'niner WFO from the boss (his personal ride that hasn't seen any use) but the overlap with my EG makes it silly to buy the WFO.

    The c'dale was meant to be "the other bike" and since I couldn't adapt or overcome the differences between it and what I'm used to I've decided to stay on 26" wheeled bikes. I even spoke to Bob about picking up another FTM to build into a light weight xc machine.

    Once again, never said a 29'r couldn't be fun, or flung around on dj's or even downhilled (WFO is built for DH) but they AREN'T FOR ME I posted this as anobservation I made. kind of like a tire review or even a fork review.

    Some companies will come out with things and tought them as the best thing ever made and if you don't buy it now you're missing out and what you have now just sucks. I've seen alot of hype over these 29'rs and I understand it's the latest and greatest but it doesn't mean they are the best at everything just because it's new. I ride with guys that were on bikes that are over 5 years old and have thousands of miles on the (spec epics, gary fisher hardtails, a santacruz heckler) These aren't the kind of guys that jump on every band wagon and they only replace things when it breaks. I watched these guys buy new 29'rs just because it was time to replace the old bikes with something new. A few of them got caught saying "it's the best bike I have ever owned" and, it has to be because it's a 29'r"

    Now when asked "how old was that fork, rear shock or wheelset that was on your 26" bike?" Most said, "oh I don;t know, I think it came with the bike"

    Now c'mon? How does that make a good comparison to what you had before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    There are some decent bigger tires: Maxxis Ardent 2.4, Specialized makes a few (Purgatory 2.4's are sweet tires for 26ers and 29ers), WTB Dissents are 2.5 dual ply's (weight weenies not apply).
    Dissents tread is ok but round.. any 25mm/32mm rims?

    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    Now that's progress right there! 25.5 eye opener

    Need to start exploring these rigs, just looking at the #'s it seems the wheel base needs to be reworked.. Sucks for me, I'm a long TT/short stem lover w/ just under 36 inseam. Would need a longer stem and shorter TT to shorten that WB in the front..

    I wonder how far the rear wheel can be tucked into the frame, continuing to round out the ST.. new style adjustable post as part of the frame.hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible
    Wow ease back on the hostility!
    Whoa, downshift there, Turbo. You are the one that started a "hate" thread. Sounds pretty hostile to me. I don't think I was being hostile, unless trying to pose a different point of view is hostile. So, just because you closed out your rant means nobody can question your myopic, yet public, point of view?

    Quote Originally Posted by terrible
    I never said it was imposible to do those things. I'm just saying they don't work for me.
    You are right, you didn't say impossible. You said, "They really have no place with my riding style or do they benifit me at all.

    I read an article a few months back (during butt-cold winter) that summed it up pretty well. "if you're riding consists of alot of JRA type trails a 29'r is great"

    I never "just ride along" I need a bike that is alive Something that I really feal on a 26" bike is a lively fealing. Like the bike wants to go, not just poke down the trails and roll over everything but a bike that wants to take that bump or root and either smash it into the ground or make a lip or berm out of it."

    My mistake, I must have misinterpretted what you said.

    Quote Originally Posted by terrible
    I actully was thinking about picking up a 'niner WFO from the boss (his personal ride that hasn't seen any use) but the overlap with my EG makes it silly to buy the WFO.

    The c'dale was meant to be "the other bike" and since I couldn't adapt or overcome the differences between it and what I'm used to I've decided to stay on 26" wheeled bikes. I even spoke to Bob about picking up another FTM to build into a light weight xc machine.
    Ok, I get that. You didn't like the Cannondale. I guess I still don't how that equates to all 29ers. Bikes are different and geometry is important for 26ers and 29ers.

    Quote Originally Posted by terrible
    Oncce again, never said a 29'r couldn't be fun, or flung around on dj's or even downhilled (WFO is built for DH)
    No, you said this:
    "if you're riding consists of alot of JRA type trails a 29'r is great"

    I never "just ride along" I need a bike that is alive Something that I really feal on a 26" bike is a lively fealing. Like the bike wants to go, not just poke down the trails and roll over everything but a bike that wants to take that bump or root and either smash it into the ground or make a lip or berm out of it."

    Quote Originally Posted by terrible
    I posted this as anobservation I made. kind of like a tire review or even a fork review.
    You posted a rant (which of course you have the right to do) in a public forum. I agree with you that you chose a bike that probably soaked the fun out your ride. I also think there are a few great 29er alternatives for "your style of riding" (whatever that is?).

    I am not a 29er zealot. I think there are VERY few 29ers I would buy...in fact, no full suspension 29ers are on that list. I just have a problem with your misinformed generalized 29er hate statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillJDOG
    .. any 25mm/32mm rims?
    I believe the default 29er AM rims are Stans Flow. I have a set of Bonty Rhythms. They are 28mm, but are a bit flexy. I'm sure there are others. That is an issue with 29ers...you need to be more selective in regards to wheel choices. They can be flexy and/or heavy, IMO. Although, I certainly am not an authority on 29ers.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillJDOG
    Now that's progress right there! 25.5 eye opener

    Need to start exploring these rigs, just looking at the #'s it seems the wheel base needs to be reworked..
    IMO, that is going to be the tough sell for full suspension 29ers....at least for what kind of bike I'm looking for. The wheelbase's appear to be too freakin' huge. Wheelbase is easier to control on hardtails. That being said, I'd like to at least try out the Banshee...looks interesting.
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