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    If you had to replace your ML with something else...

    what would it be?

    As much as I enjoy my ML, I can't help but wonder about other bikes. So what would it be for you? A Nomad, a Ciclon, a Mojo, an EG? Please do tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    what would it be?

    As much as I enjoy my ML, I can't help but wonder about other bikes. So what would it be for you? A Nomad, a Ciclon, a Mojo, an EG? Please do tell.
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    I don't really know, I really like my ML for the riding I do.

    If I couldn't buy a ML, here would be my list in no particular order:

    EG
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    5 Spot
    Heckler
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    I recently replaced my 2005.5 ML with a 2007 Epiphany. No particular reason for the upgrade other than I came across a good deal on an Epi. I loved my ML. So far, the Epi is fantastic. It complements my Moment and Rogue and gives me another arrow in the quiver.
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    yp, now you just need a Ride and an Oracle and I think you'd be all set...

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    I thought about a Ride (one was on ebay recently), but didn't think I would ride it enough to justify the cost. As for the Oracle, it would be too much overlap with the Epi. Plus, I'm not yet sold on FS ti frames. Ti road bikes and hardtails are fine, though.
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    What's the Big Secret?

    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    I recently replaced my 2005.5 ML with a 2007 Epiphany. No particular reason for the upgrade other than I came across a good deal on an Epi. I loved my ML. So far, the Epi is fantastic. It complements my Moment and Rogue and gives me another arrow in the quiver.

    So what did you "upgrade" the ML too?


    Me? I guess I'd want an EG or an RFX, but that Endorphin would be the shizzy for around here... though still prob more than I would "need" so I could stil look for stuff to hit with it.

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    i haven't tried the nomad or EG, but wouldn't they be a little more aggressive than an ML?

    i tried a stumpy but i thought the front wanders too much on steeps... other than that it's a great bike...

    the BLT is a little less bike than the Nomad, but it's a nice ride, too...

    what about the yeti 575 or an intense 5.5?

    AAAKKK!!! too many choices!!!

    actually it's tough to beat the stiffness and simplicity of the ML... (but you did mention ventanas...)

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    uh.. let me think...

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    A Moto Lite Evoluzione...
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    Foes of course...

    Geeze....that's like throwing a dog (or is that Dug) a bone....

    Foes XCT 5" Air.....or better yet, step up to the 6" Air FXR and get a better work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi
    A Moto Lite Evoluzione...
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    Agreed.. and with DW_Link...
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    Something with "Split Pivot"

    I was going to retire my ML after this season and order something of the 69er breed. But after seeing DW's new split pivot design, I think I am going to wait until something comes out with that design, it looks REALLY GOOD on paper. Check it out: http://www.split-pivot.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    I was going to retire my ML after this season and order something of the 69er breed. But after seeing DW's new split pivot design, I think I am going to wait until something comes out with that design, it looks REALLY GOOD on paper. Check it out: http://www.split-pivot.com/

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    Interesting answers. Actually, I've looked around and for the short legged riders like me (5'7"), I can't find another bike with standover as low as the ML. El Ciclon looks great but standover is not as good. The only other bike I'd consider would be the Mojo, but the carbon fiber kinda freaks me out a bit. I liked the EG, but again the standover was barely enough. Of course, it sounds like a small problem, but while crossing a creek in Downieville a couple weeks ago, I dismounted and with any other bike I would have crushed my precious...

    Bottom line, the more I look the more I like what I got.
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    After spending a week on my ML in Az, the thing rocks. It is the perfect bike for me, at this point..... But that disease known to many of us rear its ugly head at any stage....

    Hard to know, there are so many cool bikes out there.............. As long as its not a Specialized............ Cant stand that company, just my opinion, each to there own.....
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    Oh and I forgot one! That Nicolai FR looks pretty sweet. Also the Canfeild Balnance I've liked a lot, but I'll take a Horst link over a vague, numb ass DW link anyday!

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    I'm pretty darn happy with my ML, but if someone forced me to get another bike I guess I'd say either the Turner Spot or the Cumba XCL.
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    For me, I would look at a Foes and for sure at Ellsworth again. Still the ONLY bike brand I have not had issues with in some way or another................... That means a lot to me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Exogrid Moto Lite

    Oh yeah! Of course I'm not in any need of a new bike do to the fact that the Moto-Lite is AWSOME! So I guess I truly have to say an exo Moto, but I don't get paid like the Whafe "yet" but than again I don't have to spend my entire life on an airplane either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    For me, I would look at a Foes and for sure at Ellsworth again.
    I fell in love with the Rogue when I rode it.
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    Nicoalai Helius FR.. need I say more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    I was going to retire my ML after this season and order something of the 69er breed. But after seeing DW's new split pivot design, I think I am going to wait until something comes out with that design, it looks REALLY GOOD on paper. Check it out: http://www.split-pivot.com/
    New Trek/GF offerings look cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    I fell in love with the Rogue when I rode it.
    I have loved all my Ellsworths.............Am too scared to ride a Rogue, in case I fall in looovvvveeeeeeeeeeee...
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    If it were to replace my ML the short list would be as follows:

    Turner RFX
    EG
    Moment
    Nomad
    terremoto

    In addition to my ML:

    Intense Uzzi
    SUMO
    RFX?
    something else nice and squishy but "pedalable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    If it were to replace my ML the short list would be as follows:

    Turner RFX
    EG
    Moment
    Nomad
    terremoto

    In addition to my ML:

    Intense Uzzi
    SUMO
    RFX?
    something else nice and squishy but "pedalable"
    Very good choices too Jwind..... Its getting harder and harder these days, so many top frames out there.... Still need to hear more feedback on the El G............ The Uzzi is a rocking frame, had one of those.... Moment is great all round bike..... And indeed the RFX is the frame of the day these past months......
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    I would love to get into some big hit riding. Not that there is a lot in Alabama but I think it would make me seek out those type places. For that I would have a Rogue built up to handle me as well as the riding. The only problem I can see is that at my age and weight hitting the ground hurts and then the healing process takes longer. Or maybe an Intense, or Foes. Dammit, ya'll are getting me to start with the UGI syndrome again. Please stop! (Although for the type riding that I do the ML and my Indy Fab 29er SS are really all I need)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Very good choices too Jwind..... Its getting harder and harder these days, so many top frames out there.... Still need to hear more feedback on the El G............ The Uzzi is a rocking frame, had one of those.... Moment is great all round bike..... And indeed the RFX is the frame of the day these past months......
    How'd the Uzzi pedal? I hesitate to say i've "grown out of my ML" as it's about as close to perfection for it's inteded use buuuuuut, there are some situations where more bike would be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    How'd the Uzzi pedal? I hesitate to say i've "grown out of my ML" as it's about as close to perfection for it's inteded use buuuuuut, there are some situations where more bike would be fun.
    The Uzzi pedals well for a big bike. Actually, IMO it rides similar to the SuMo. I have a few riding buddies that ride these. I know that Intense fans love these bikes...and I admit liking the ride quality of the Uzzi, but I personally would never buy one. The 3 Uzzi's I know vary so much in weld/fit quality that its scarry. One owner is really happy. The other two are looking for other bikes.

    The one owner that is happy has had issues with pivots...but he does weigh 250 and is not terribly smooth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    The Uzzi pedals well for a big bike. Actually, IMO it rides similar to the SuMo. I have a few riding buddies that ride these. I know that Intense fans love these bikes...and I admit liking the ride quality of the Uzzi, but I personally would never buy one. The 3 Uzzi's I know vary so much in weld/fit quality that its scarry. One owner is really happy. The other two are looking for other bikes.

    The one owner that is happy has had issues with pivots...but he does weigh 250 and is not terribly smooth.
    The whole pivot thing with intense or any other VPP design really concerns me. THe thing is, I'm in New England and things get wet and gritty around here. One day it's mud and the next day it's sand puddles. I've had NO problems with my ML after a year 1/2 of ALOT of riding (WINTER TOO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Bottom line, the more I look the more I like what I got.
    I always end up with the same thinking everytime I try to short list bikes that will replace my ML...

    I thought of the following bikes to replace my ML;

    Epiphany- best candidate
    EG - 2ND Best
    Chumba XCL - did not like it when I saw it, I thought it will be closer to the titan looks of the ml
    Ventana terramoto - I am missin the feel of ML so much (so its also a no)
    Turner - would rather go with Epiphany

    Final decision... save enough money next year and get a Exogrid ML and be happy like whafe

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    Quote Originally Posted by barelylegal
    I always end up with the same thinking everytime I try to short list bikes that will replace my ML...

    I thought of the following bikes to replace my ML;

    Epiphany- best candidate
    EG - 2ND Best
    Chumba XCL - did not like it when I saw it, I thought it will be closer to the titan looks of the ml
    Ventana terramoto - I am missin the feel of ML so much (so its also a no)
    Turner - would rather go with Epiphany

    Final decision... save enough money next year and get a Exogrid ML and be happy like whafe
    Now thats where its at, go the ExoGrid ML............... BL, your scooter has bling for Africa, once it is a ExoGrid frame, will be th efully blinged up blingy machine for sure.....

    I agree though, an Epiphany would be a great candidate, or go the Oracle, oh la la.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Now thats where its at, go the ExoGrid ML............... BL, your scooter has bling for Africa, once it is a ExoGrid frame, will be th efully blinged up blingy machine for sure.....

    I agree though, an Epiphany would be a great candidate, or go the Oracle, oh la la.
    No oracle for me Whafe But will try to save up for the EXO minus the industry nine of course Hope I dont end up saving not enough and end up with the Epi

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    Quote Originally Posted by barelylegal
    No oracle for me Whafe But will try to save up for the EXO minus the industry nine of course Hope I dont end up saving not enough and end up with the Epi
    I would be happy with an Epi too, I feel they climb ever so slightly better than a ML, but dont decent down the hill has fast as a ML..........

    I will get flamed, but from experience, the Truth and Id & Epi climb like mountain goats......

    But I am in love with my ML.............It looks spanking after a good wash to get all the Arizona desert dust off it, the full clean.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi
    A Moto Lite Evoluzione...
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    never heard of this. more details please

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    Moto Lite Evoluzione:
    • More size selection
    • 2in shock stroke on S & XS, and 2.25 on M, L, XL
    • Custom geo for $200 max
    • 5.5 rear travel; custom tuned by Fox for Titus MotoLite
    • More standover
    • No curvy tube; keep it straight & sexy
    • CNC-ed Rocker Arm
    • Forged BB shell with DT & ST; forged DT with HT
    • Collaborate with Fox to develop Fox 32 TALAS with Thru Axle; tuned specifically for Titus MotoLite; 2 color selection: Grey / White
    • Loose the Metal Titus Plate. Get laser etched writing (can you do it on powdercoated?)
    • More color selection; and add White
    • Lifetime Warranty
    • DW-Link? I thought HL + Mac-Struts should do more than well?


    What say you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi
    Moto Lite Evoluzione:
    • More size selection
    • 2in shock stroke on S & XS, and 2.25 on M, L, XL
    • Custom geo for $200 max
    • 5.5 rear travel; custom tuned by Fox for Titus MotoLite
    • More standover
    • No curvy tube; keep it straight & sexy
    • CNC-ed Rocker Arm
    • Forged BB shell with DT & ST; forged DT with HT
    • Collaborate with Fox to develop Fox 32 TALAS with Thru Axle; tuned specifically for Titus MotoLite; 2 color selection: Grey / White
    • Loose the Metal Titus Plate. Get laser etched writing (can you do it on powdercoated?)
    • More color selection; and add White
    • Lifetime Warranty
    • DW-Link? I thought HL + Mac-Struts should do more than well?


    What say you?

    I say YES!

    And they better not dare replace that sweet Mac strut HL for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I say YES!

    And they better not dare replace that sweet Mac strut HL for anything.
    Second, third and fourth that....
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    Quote Originally Posted by itamar
    me too, and they are good n my opinion....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    me too, and they are good n my opinion....
    Yeah, and while you wait for your Nicolai to arrive, fusion powered vehicles will be for sale at your local dealer.
    Extreme stationary biker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    Yeah, and while you wait for your Nicolai to arrive, fusion powered vehicles will be for sale at your local dealer.
    More delivery time = less time hanging off the wall
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    More delivery time = less time hanging off the wall
    I hate you.
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    Warning ... OT....

    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    I hate you.
    OT...... I sent a mail to that contact you gave me... let's wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    OT...... I sent a mail to that contact you gave me... let's wait and see.
    Good luck! Not sure what the want is down there...but the need is high in the US.
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    Well... A bit of provocation?

    I've heard an opinion that generally VPP suspensions pedal better than HL (FSR). What do you think of that?

    If it's true, maybe the following frames might be somewhat better than ML:

    Giant Reign
    Iron Horse MKIII

    - these two are not 'boutique', but maybe they're still good enough?

    Intense 5.5
    SC Blur LT

    - these are both boutique and VPP. Good competition to ML, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Evteev
    Well... A bit of provocation?

    I've heard an opinion that generally VPP suspensions pedal better than HL (FSR). What do you think of that?

    If it's true, maybe the following frames might be somewhat better than ML:

    Giant Reign
    Iron Horse MKIII

    - these two are not 'boutique', but maybe they're still good enough?

    Intense 5.5
    SC Blur LT

    - these are both boutique and VPP. Good competition to ML, isn't it?
    Get a Morewood and be done with it !~!

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
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    Geo, But We LOVE You

    Jwind. sorry for being slow, missed the post. The Uzzi pedalled well. I wouldnt buy one again. For me nothing was wrong at all with it. But I dont feel there is a need to have a pedalling proficient bike with that much travel...

    I am perplexed at these light built 6 inch travel bikes, sheesh they are not really needed in opinion. A 30 pound 6 incher, sheesh, get a ML or a Spot, Epi etc etc...

    To me, 6 inches means go hard and jump off bigger stuff.........

    I am very keen to hear how FM enjoys his new RFX, really light 6 incher with his AM1 adn Rocco Ti Coil..... I think it will tease him to push it to the components limits, but not the frames limits......

    Frames in each design portfolio now have so mauch overlap... hey am, usually wrong,
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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Get a Morewood and be done with it !~!
    Oh yeah go the Moorewood..... Gives you wood in your life for sure.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Evteev
    Well... A bit of provocation?

    I've heard an opinion that generally VPP suspensions pedal better than HL (FSR). What do you think of that?

    If it's true, maybe the following frames might be somewhat better than ML:

    Giant Reign
    Iron Horse MKIII

    - these two are not 'boutique', but maybe they're still good enough?

    Intense 5.5
    SC Blur LT

    - these are both boutique and VPP. Good competition to ML, isn't it?
    Better is not only how they 'peddal', there are a lot of other stuff.

    Neither the Reign or MKIII are VPP, the Reing uses Maestro and MKIII uses DW Link, which might look similar but work different.

    I've tried a Blur and, while I liked it, I prefer the ML handling, and I have no idea about the 5.5.

    There are always good choices in bike right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Evteev
    Well... A bit of provocation?

    I've heard an opinion that generally VPP suspensions pedal better than HL (FSR). What do you think of that?
    It depends on the person.... some may like the feeling, some may not.

    Also it all depends on the execution. Not because a bike is HL or VPP or whatever, it's gonna be good.

    Just look at the DW Link bikes... many people who has tried them have converted, but many will still not touch them with a 100ft pole because your only options are Iron Horse, Ibis or IF. The first many people still see it as a Wally-World brand despite their bikes are WAY better than that, the Ibis is only made in full carbon and many people still don't trust that and IF requires you to renegotiate your house's mortgage to order one.

    OTOH, you have Turners that despite the change of suspension are still selling like pancakes because the bike is a top notch performer and arguably even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Just look at the DW Link bikes... many people who has tried them have converted, but many will still not touch them with a 100ft pole because your only options are Iron Horse, Ibis or IF. The first many people still see it as a Wally-World brand despite their bikes are WAY better than that, the Ibis is only made in full carbon and many people still don't trust that and IF requires you to renegotiate your house's mortgage to order one.
    I would buy an Iron Horse...if I wasn't so worried about how cool I look on mtbr. The Sunday is one sweet piece of work. I've ridden it twice and it is one fine machine. Gooey plush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    I would buy an Iron Horse...if I wasn't so worried about how cool I look on mtbr. The Sunday is one sweet piece of work. I've ridden it twice and it is one fine machine. Gooey plush.
    Same here... Actually the MKIII is one of my faves... But I've come to find out it has the very same problem my SB has, and it's that rear tyre clearance is pretty tight.

    I'd buy a new bike to solve a problem I have with mine, not to continue with the same limitations.
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    Warp,

    I was one of the first on the list for the IF Tungsten Electrode. That list is sadly toast. IF could never get a rear triangle supplier. I spoke with some of the guys at the Hand Made Bike Show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex
    Warp,

    I was one of the first on the list for the IF Tungsten Electrode. That list is sadly toast. IF could never get a rear triangle supplier. I spoke with some of the guys at the Hand Made Bike Show.

    I have read somewhere it was Vaporware... but never got it confirmed.

    Bummer. Looked like a terrific bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    To me, 6 inches means go hard and jump off bigger stuff.........

    I am very keen to hear how FM enjoys his new RFX, really light 6 incher with his AM1 adn Rocco Ti Coil..... I think it will tease him to push it to the components limits, but not the frames limits......
    Well dudes, I was staying out of this thread but maybe it's a good time to add my .02c.

    The motolite is an excellent bike, I really liked mine. If a few design details were different I would not have felt the need for change- but the design changes I would have liked, would have detracted from the motolite's ability as an epic XC bike, enduro race bike, big vert climbing machine etc. which is what is does so well! On the right trails, I can't imagine a better bike than my motolite- I certainly felt that way in tahoe and even in downieville.

    But all the effort we put into local trail building last winter really changed the riding menu here. Now, nearly every ride we do features jumps, drops and elevated stuff, or at least technical steep natural terrain that most would qualify as "free-ride". Now, some of these rides involve a fair bit of climbing and minimal air-time, so neither my highline or motolite felt like quite the right bike... I think the RFX splits the difference nicely without being too much heavier than the motolite. Slacker head tube angle, lower BB and 160mm fork capability were the driving factors.

    Gotta have the right tool for the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Gotta have the right tool for the job.
    When the job changes, sometimes you gotta change tools too.
    Words, words, words....

    You can sugar coat it all you want, but if you can't admit you're not a good enough rider for the motolite than that's ok...

    A good craftsman never blames his tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Gotta have the right tool for the job.
    When the job changes, sometimes you gotta change tools too.

    why not have all three bikes? thats what I would do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    Words, words, words....

    A good craftsman never blames his tools.
    Oh the stories I could tell....

    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    You can sugar coat it all you want, but if you can't admit you're not a good enough rider for the motolite than that's ok...
    I've got no problem admitting I'm a poor climber... so why own a climbing bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    why not have all three bikes? thats what I would do...
    That would go over GREAT at home...

    besides- I needed the parts and money

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Well dudes, I was staying out of this thread but maybe it's a good time to add my .02c.

    The motolite is an excellent bike, I really liked mine. If a few design details were different I would not have felt the need for change- but the design changes I would have liked, would have detracted from the motolite's ability as an epic XC bike, enduro race bike, big vert climbing machine etc. which is what is does so well! On the right trails, I can't imagine a better bike than my motolite- I certainly felt that way in tahoe and even in downieville.

    But all the effort we put into local trail building last winter really changed the riding menu here. Now, nearly every ride we do features jumps, drops and elevated stuff, or at least technical steep natural terrain that most would qualify as "free-ride". Now, some of these rides involve a fair bit of climbing and minimal air-time, so neither my highline or motolite felt like quite the right bike... I think the RFX splits the difference nicely without being too much heavier than the motolite. Slacker head tube angle, lower BB and 160mm fork capability were the driving factors.

    Gotta have the right tool for the job.
    When the job changes, sometimes you gotta change tools too.

    Well fella's we now know what FM would replace his ML with....

    And its a hot looking steed to.. Am still keen to hear how it goes for you FM. I like your sincere feedback, it is not full of Cack.....

    I am still puzzeled that the RFX comes standard with an RP23, seems not right to me, but I am wrong often.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I've got no problem admitting I'm a poor climber... so why own a climbing bike?
    I've heard that the stresses of climbing causes the BB area to heat up and the 2007 RFX will spontaneously catch on fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    I've heard that the stresses of climbing causes the BB area to heat up and the 2007 RFX will spontaneously catch on fire.
    Not if it's been heat-treated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Not if it's been heat-treated!


    Dude! Helmet?

    Alcohol + no helmet = No Bueno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Not if it's been heat-treated!
    jumping thru the firepit

    oh crap!! I did that too.... I had totaly forgot it was about 11 years ago. jumping thru the firepit.. I seem to recall making about 5 passes.,before I got chased off. I didn't even know the people.

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    Once EB gets off his hairy ass there will probably be a lot more of these photos floating around

    All for our buddy Kevmo's bachelor party last weekend...

    Later that night....

    more beer+bigger fire= bigger jumps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    ...EB...his hairy ass..


    Is this one of those "stories" you could tell about? If it is, please don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover


    Is this one of those "stories" you could tell about? If it is, please don't.

    It doesn't involve caribous, right??
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Once EB gets off his hairy ass there will probably be a lot more of these photos floating around

    All for our buddy Kevmo's bachelor party last weekend...

    Later that night....

    more beer+bigger fire= bigger jumps!
    You mean like this? I've heard that Turners spontaneously combust!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    You mean like this? I've heard that Turners spontaeously combust!
    I must have been truly hammered, cause that actually felt like a smooth landing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    You mean like this? I've heard that Turners spontaneously combust!

    ebx, thanks for that, thats one of those pics that needs to be saved for good measure, may well come in handy.............FM, a stoked up landing bro...

    See, its great getting older, my maturity or what maturity I thoughted I had goes backwards, so the body gets older but hte mind gets more Warped,,
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    I bet the living legend has caught on fire...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    what would it be?

    As much as I enjoy my ML, I can't help but wonder about other bikes. So what would it be for you? A Nomad, a Ciclon, a Mojo, an EG? Please do tell.


    Well Zorg aint dreaming fun................ got so many ideas................ but my girl is on to me bigtime and l just cant get away with any more bikes. I have had a 575 for the past year and just brought a Motolite. She saw itt and said, " darling they look exactly the same, why do you want two bikes the same". I spent a few minutes explaining the differences between the two and that l would beef up the 575 for the bigger stuff and the ML for the xc. She so didnt buy it and l have to be honest and say l dont either. Both bikes can handle pretty much the same dispite the 4 pounds wieght difference. All my friends ride Ellsworths, Ventanas, Foes and Intenses and l love the bike porn but one thing never changes. Every now and then you come across someone on a $300 piece of cr@p, with a busted pedal, bloody knee and cut off tee shirt that drops you on the first climb and is on your arse all the way down, smile blazing and just havin the best time. I know that sometimes l get caught up in the bling and miss out on the zing (mojo).
    Cant help but think owning a ML is about as perfect as you can get. Just so versitile and adaptable without a weight penalty. Just switch tyres and go. I find now l dream about parts rather than bikes..... cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Great post

    I find dreaming about parts dangerous... For my Moto Lite, I'm on my third shock, third fork, third bars, third saddle, third tyres (no big deal if your named Warp), third Rear Derailleur, third set of pedals, third stem, third grips.... I guess good things come in threes. Dreaming about parts is a sick disease named UGI.... then next thing ya know your tracking your overseas shipments.... wondering why you haven't go them yet two days after customs cleared them (which is 1.5 hours I might add here ) ..... then the stoke arrives and you get all giddy installing them.... then the credit card bill arrives

    Thanks All Mountain, it was my first ................ postin virgin. Set up a secret bank account for just that purpose, but expecting a little snapper any day now so it all must go underground. Famous Australian saying " tell em their dreamin".
    Hey AM there was a post l saw a number of weeks ago about someone tossing up between a 575 and a ML, cant find it. Reckon you would know.
    Oh can l ask you a question ................. could the ML handle some Fox 36s (warrenty issues?) or could l make my 32s ramp up alittle more through oil weight and volume?

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    Mmm....Nicolai Nucleon FR!

    What are the prices on the Morewood bikes like over there? Anyone know?

    They're made here in S.Africa so seem pretty reasonable. I can get a Shova LT frame for what i paid for my '06 ML which sold in the US for $1395?

    Unfortunately I don't have the money!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnd663
    Oh can l ask you a question ................. could the ML handle some Fox 36s (warrenty issues?) or could l make my 32s ramp up alittle more through oil weight and volume?
    AFAIK, 36s are no go on the ML..... also you should keep your fork under 145mm of travel if you want to stay within warranty..

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    AFAIK, 36s are no go on the ML..... also you should keep your fork under 145mm of travel if you want to stay within warranty..
    Damn it ............. they just ride so well in the 130 setting......... a moment of madness

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnd663
    Oh can l ask you a question ................. could the ML handle some Fox 36s (warrenty issues?) or could l make my 32s ramp up alittle more through oil weight and volume?
    No go on oil volumes on the 32 Fox... the fork doesn't have real seals, only wipers.

    In a Float, you can add a bit of Float Fluid to the spring to make it more progressive, but I have yet to find out someone who has taken full travel out of a Float. They have the fame to be rather hard to bottom out or take full travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    No go on oil volumes on the 32 Fox... the fork doesn't have real seals, only wipers.

    In a Float, you can add a bit of Float Fluid to the spring to make it more progressive, but I have yet to find out someone who has taken full travel out of a Float. They have the fame to be rather hard to bottom out or take full travel.

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    Spent 2 months riding the south island, Port Hills, Taylors Mistake, Hamner Springs, Queenstown, Nasby, Wanika and just fell in love with the joint. Post you some photos soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain

    I never noticed the 575 / ML thread as there are so many this versus that threads these days. Maybe the 575 number one fanboy crisillo can remember.
    There are too many of those to keep track.. but I will search a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnd663
    Damn it ............. they just ride so well in the 130 setting......... a moment of madness
    Nothing wrong with a 36 at 130 travel ...

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    come on.. you know you don't

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    I was extending the hand of sportmanship between our two great sporting nations. I do hope we put on a good show as you havent had any competition in the last 12 months and we havent had any talent.
    Cant believe l got called a Tasmania Boofhead on a MTB (seemly USA based) forum by a Kiwi on my first night.............. gee really going well.

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    Running a 36 is not a warrenty issue on the ML. Just make it a TALAS and runn it at 130mm.

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    Silver Fern forever!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Running a 36 is not a warrenty issue on the ML. Just make it a TALAS and runn it at 130mm.

    mmmmmmmmmmmm ................. yes .......... thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Running a 36 is not a warrenty issue on the ML. Just make it a TALAS and runn it at 130mm.
    or a 36 float and reduce it with spacers then...

    I posted above, remembering from a post (from demo maybe... not sure) where the 36 was specifically said as no go on the ML by Titus.... I could be confused though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    GO ALL BLACKS!!!

    Silver Fern forever!!!!

    Wallabies... Wannabees is more proper to them!!

    Lets not mention the cricket then shall we.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    or a 36 float and reduce it with spacers then...

    I posted above, remembering from a post (from demo maybe... not sure) where the 36 was specifically said as no go on the ML by Titus.... I could be confused though...

    That's been the word, but Geo or someone I can't remember posted that he called and that it's NOT a warrenty issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    That's been the word, but Geo or someone I can't remember posted that he called and that it's NOT a warrenty issue.
    Cool then

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Warp the Kiwi Wannabee fully understands the Australian domination on Cricket and Rugby (and Soccer next)
    I married a Kiwi...................... cant save all of you.http://forums.mtbr.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

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    sleep well! I am almost off work... WOOHOO!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    sleep well! I am almost off work... WOOHOO!!!
    I'm almost off to work... Well... I'm late, but I'm doing for crap. I was about to call it a sick day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    I'm almost off to work... Well... I'm late, but I'm doing for crap. I was about to call it a sick day.

    somebody's gotta do it, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    I bet the living legend has caught on fire...
    I hope not, I need his services in a few weeks time....
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    You are a Kiwi AM, see your own mainlanders dont want you, but we do......

    johnd663 - Do you guys have a rugby team for this world cup???

    I would suggest some BIG sorry's to AM..... And he jsut started to except you too....
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