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    If you had to replace your ML with something else...

    what would it be?

    As much as I enjoy my ML, I can't help but wonder about other bikes. So what would it be for you? A Nomad, a Ciclon, a Mojo, an EG? Please do tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    what would it be?

    As much as I enjoy my ML, I can't help but wonder about other bikes. So what would it be for you? A Nomad, a Ciclon, a Mojo, an EG? Please do tell.
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    I don't really know, I really like my ML for the riding I do.

    If I couldn't buy a ML, here would be my list in no particular order:

    EG
    Nomad
    5 Spot
    Heckler
    X-5

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    I recently replaced my 2005.5 ML with a 2007 Epiphany. No particular reason for the upgrade other than I came across a good deal on an Epi. I loved my ML. So far, the Epi is fantastic. It complements my Moment and Rogue and gives me another arrow in the quiver.
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    yp, now you just need a Ride and an Oracle and I think you'd be all set...

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    I thought about a Ride (one was on ebay recently), but didn't think I would ride it enough to justify the cost. As for the Oracle, it would be too much overlap with the Epi. Plus, I'm not yet sold on FS ti frames. Ti road bikes and hardtails are fine, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    I recently replaced my 2005.5 ML with a 2007 Epiphany. No particular reason for the upgrade other than I came across a good deal on an Epi. I loved my ML. So far, the Epi is fantastic. It complements my Moment and Rogue and gives me another arrow in the quiver.

    So what did you "upgrade" the ML too?


    Me? I guess I'd want an EG or an RFX, but that Endorphin would be the shizzy for around here... though still prob more than I would "need" so I could stil look for stuff to hit with it.

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    i haven't tried the nomad or EG, but wouldn't they be a little more aggressive than an ML?

    i tried a stumpy but i thought the front wanders too much on steeps... other than that it's a great bike...

    the BLT is a little less bike than the Nomad, but it's a nice ride, too...

    what about the yeti 575 or an intense 5.5?

    AAAKKK!!! too many choices!!!

    actually it's tough to beat the stiffness and simplicity of the ML... (but you did mention ventanas...)

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    uh.. let me think...

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    A Moto Lite Evoluzione...
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    Foes of course...

    Geeze....that's like throwing a dog (or is that Dug) a bone....

    Foes XCT 5" Air.....or better yet, step up to the 6" Air FXR and get a better work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi
    A Moto Lite Evoluzione...
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    Agreed.. and with DW_Link...
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    Something with "Split Pivot"

    I was going to retire my ML after this season and order something of the 69er breed. But after seeing DW's new split pivot design, I think I am going to wait until something comes out with that design, it looks REALLY GOOD on paper. Check it out: http://www.split-pivot.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    I was going to retire my ML after this season and order something of the 69er breed. But after seeing DW's new split pivot design, I think I am going to wait until something comes out with that design, it looks REALLY GOOD on paper. Check it out: http://www.split-pivot.com/

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    Interesting answers. Actually, I've looked around and for the short legged riders like me (5'7"), I can't find another bike with standover as low as the ML. El Ciclon looks great but standover is not as good. The only other bike I'd consider would be the Mojo, but the carbon fiber kinda freaks me out a bit. I liked the EG, but again the standover was barely enough. Of course, it sounds like a small problem, but while crossing a creek in Downieville a couple weeks ago, I dismounted and with any other bike I would have crushed my precious...

    Bottom line, the more I look the more I like what I got.
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    After spending a week on my ML in Az, the thing rocks. It is the perfect bike for me, at this point..... But that disease known to many of us rear its ugly head at any stage....

    Hard to know, there are so many cool bikes out there.............. As long as its not a Specialized............ Cant stand that company, just my opinion, each to there own.....
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    Oh and I forgot one! That Nicolai FR looks pretty sweet. Also the Canfeild Balnance I've liked a lot, but I'll take a Horst link over a vague, numb ass DW link anyday!

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    I'm pretty darn happy with my ML, but if someone forced me to get another bike I guess I'd say either the Turner Spot or the Cumba XCL.
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    Exogrid Moto Lite

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    For me, I would look at a Foes and for sure at Ellsworth again. Still the ONLY bike brand I have not had issues with in some way or another................... That means a lot to me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Exogrid Moto Lite

    Oh yeah! Of course I'm not in any need of a new bike do to the fact that the Moto-Lite is AWSOME! So I guess I truly have to say an exo Moto, but I don't get paid like the Whafe "yet" but than again I don't have to spend my entire life on an airplane either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    For me, I would look at a Foes and for sure at Ellsworth again.
    I fell in love with the Rogue when I rode it.
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    Nicoalai Helius FR.. need I say more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    I was going to retire my ML after this season and order something of the 69er breed. But after seeing DW's new split pivot design, I think I am going to wait until something comes out with that design, it looks REALLY GOOD on paper. Check it out: http://www.split-pivot.com/
    New Trek/GF offerings look cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    I fell in love with the Rogue when I rode it.
    I have loved all my Ellsworths.............Am too scared to ride a Rogue, in case I fall in looovvvveeeeeeeeeeee...
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    If it were to replace my ML the short list would be as follows:

    Turner RFX
    EG
    Moment
    Nomad
    terremoto

    In addition to my ML:

    Intense Uzzi
    SUMO
    RFX?
    something else nice and squishy but "pedalable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    If it were to replace my ML the short list would be as follows:

    Turner RFX
    EG
    Moment
    Nomad
    terremoto

    In addition to my ML:

    Intense Uzzi
    SUMO
    RFX?
    something else nice and squishy but "pedalable"
    Very good choices too Jwind..... Its getting harder and harder these days, so many top frames out there.... Still need to hear more feedback on the El G............ The Uzzi is a rocking frame, had one of those.... Moment is great all round bike..... And indeed the RFX is the frame of the day these past months......
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    I would love to get into some big hit riding. Not that there is a lot in Alabama but I think it would make me seek out those type places. For that I would have a Rogue built up to handle me as well as the riding. The only problem I can see is that at my age and weight hitting the ground hurts and then the healing process takes longer. Or maybe an Intense, or Foes. Dammit, ya'll are getting me to start with the UGI syndrome again. Please stop! (Although for the type riding that I do the ML and my Indy Fab 29er SS are really all I need)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Very good choices too Jwind..... Its getting harder and harder these days, so many top frames out there.... Still need to hear more feedback on the El G............ The Uzzi is a rocking frame, had one of those.... Moment is great all round bike..... And indeed the RFX is the frame of the day these past months......
    How'd the Uzzi pedal? I hesitate to say i've "grown out of my ML" as it's about as close to perfection for it's inteded use buuuuuut, there are some situations where more bike would be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    How'd the Uzzi pedal? I hesitate to say i've "grown out of my ML" as it's about as close to perfection for it's inteded use buuuuuut, there are some situations where more bike would be fun.
    The Uzzi pedals well for a big bike. Actually, IMO it rides similar to the SuMo. I have a few riding buddies that ride these. I know that Intense fans love these bikes...and I admit liking the ride quality of the Uzzi, but I personally would never buy one. The 3 Uzzi's I know vary so much in weld/fit quality that its scarry. One owner is really happy. The other two are looking for other bikes.

    The one owner that is happy has had issues with pivots...but he does weigh 250 and is not terribly smooth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    The Uzzi pedals well for a big bike. Actually, IMO it rides similar to the SuMo. I have a few riding buddies that ride these. I know that Intense fans love these bikes...and I admit liking the ride quality of the Uzzi, but I personally would never buy one. The 3 Uzzi's I know vary so much in weld/fit quality that its scarry. One owner is really happy. The other two are looking for other bikes.

    The one owner that is happy has had issues with pivots...but he does weigh 250 and is not terribly smooth.
    The whole pivot thing with intense or any other VPP design really concerns me. THe thing is, I'm in New England and things get wet and gritty around here. One day it's mud and the next day it's sand puddles. I've had NO problems with my ML after a year 1/2 of ALOT of riding (WINTER TOO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Bottom line, the more I look the more I like what I got.
    I always end up with the same thinking everytime I try to short list bikes that will replace my ML...

    I thought of the following bikes to replace my ML;

    Epiphany- best candidate
    EG - 2ND Best
    Chumba XCL - did not like it when I saw it, I thought it will be closer to the titan looks of the ml
    Ventana terramoto - I am missin the feel of ML so much (so its also a no)
    Turner - would rather go with Epiphany

    Final decision... save enough money next year and get a Exogrid ML and be happy like whafe

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    Quote Originally Posted by barelylegal
    I always end up with the same thinking everytime I try to short list bikes that will replace my ML...

    I thought of the following bikes to replace my ML;

    Epiphany- best candidate
    EG - 2ND Best
    Chumba XCL - did not like it when I saw it, I thought it will be closer to the titan looks of the ml
    Ventana terramoto - I am missin the feel of ML so much (so its also a no)
    Turner - would rather go with Epiphany

    Final decision... save enough money next year and get a Exogrid ML and be happy like whafe
    Now thats where its at, go the ExoGrid ML............... BL, your scooter has bling for Africa, once it is a ExoGrid frame, will be th efully blinged up blingy machine for sure.....

    I agree though, an Epiphany would be a great candidate, or go the Oracle, oh la la.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Now thats where its at, go the ExoGrid ML............... BL, your scooter has bling for Africa, once it is a ExoGrid frame, will be th efully blinged up blingy machine for sure.....

    I agree though, an Epiphany would be a great candidate, or go the Oracle, oh la la.
    No oracle for me Whafe But will try to save up for the EXO minus the industry nine of course Hope I dont end up saving not enough and end up with the Epi

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    Quote Originally Posted by barelylegal
    No oracle for me Whafe But will try to save up for the EXO minus the industry nine of course Hope I dont end up saving not enough and end up with the Epi
    I would be happy with an Epi too, I feel they climb ever so slightly better than a ML, but dont decent down the hill has fast as a ML..........

    I will get flamed, but from experience, the Truth and Id & Epi climb like mountain goats......

    But I am in love with my ML.............It looks spanking after a good wash to get all the Arizona desert dust off it, the full clean.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi
    A Moto Lite Evoluzione...
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    never heard of this. more details please

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    Moto Lite Evoluzione:
    • More size selection
    • 2in shock stroke on S & XS, and 2.25 on M, L, XL
    • Custom geo for $200 max
    • 5.5 rear travel; custom tuned by Fox for Titus MotoLite
    • More standover
    • No curvy tube; keep it straight & sexy
    • CNC-ed Rocker Arm
    • Forged BB shell with DT & ST; forged DT with HT
    • Collaborate with Fox to develop Fox 32 TALAS with Thru Axle; tuned specifically for Titus MotoLite; 2 color selection: Grey / White
    • Loose the Metal Titus Plate. Get laser etched writing (can you do it on powdercoated?)
    • More color selection; and add White
    • Lifetime Warranty
    • DW-Link? I thought HL + Mac-Struts should do more than well?


    What say you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi
    Moto Lite Evoluzione:
    • More size selection
    • 2in shock stroke on S & XS, and 2.25 on M, L, XL
    • Custom geo for $200 max
    • 5.5 rear travel; custom tuned by Fox for Titus MotoLite
    • More standover
    • No curvy tube; keep it straight & sexy
    • CNC-ed Rocker Arm
    • Forged BB shell with DT & ST; forged DT with HT
    • Collaborate with Fox to develop Fox 32 TALAS with Thru Axle; tuned specifically for Titus MotoLite; 2 color selection: Grey / White
    • Loose the Metal Titus Plate. Get laser etched writing (can you do it on powdercoated?)
    • More color selection; and add White
    • Lifetime Warranty
    • DW-Link? I thought HL + Mac-Struts should do more than well?


    What say you?

    I say YES!

    And they better not dare replace that sweet Mac strut HL for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I say YES!

    And they better not dare replace that sweet Mac strut HL for anything.
    Second, third and fourth that....
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    Quote Originally Posted by itamar
    me too, and they are good n my opinion....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    me too, and they are good n my opinion....
    Yeah, and while you wait for your Nicolai to arrive, fusion powered vehicles will be for sale at your local dealer.
    Extreme stationary biker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    Yeah, and while you wait for your Nicolai to arrive, fusion powered vehicles will be for sale at your local dealer.
    More delivery time = less time hanging off the wall
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    More delivery time = less time hanging off the wall
    I hate you.
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    Warning ... OT....

    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    I hate you.
    OT...... I sent a mail to that contact you gave me... let's wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    OT...... I sent a mail to that contact you gave me... let's wait and see.
    Good luck! Not sure what the want is down there...but the need is high in the US.
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    Well... A bit of provocation?

    I've heard an opinion that generally VPP suspensions pedal better than HL (FSR). What do you think of that?

    If it's true, maybe the following frames might be somewhat better than ML:

    Giant Reign
    Iron Horse MKIII

    - these two are not 'boutique', but maybe they're still good enough?

    Intense 5.5
    SC Blur LT

    - these are both boutique and VPP. Good competition to ML, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Evteev
    Well... A bit of provocation?

    I've heard an opinion that generally VPP suspensions pedal better than HL (FSR). What do you think of that?

    If it's true, maybe the following frames might be somewhat better than ML:

    Giant Reign
    Iron Horse MKIII

    - these two are not 'boutique', but maybe they're still good enough?

    Intense 5.5
    SC Blur LT

    - these are both boutique and VPP. Good competition to ML, isn't it?
    Get a Morewood and be done with it !~!

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