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    I ♥ my MotoLite

    Still one of the best bikes evar!
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    Just needs a basket for all the wildflowers!

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    still the one

    Yep, this is what I hear in my head everytime I ride:

    You're still the one -- that I love to touch
    Still the one -- and I can't get enough
    We're still having fun, and you're still the one

    You're still the one -- who can scratch my itch
    Still the one -- and I wouldn't switch
    We're still having fun, and you're still the one
    You are still the one -- that makes me shout
    Still the one -- that I dream about
    We're still having fun, and you're still the one
    You're still the one, yeah still the one
    We're still having fun, and you're still the one

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    Man, the old bike still looks great. The ML was a great bike. Hopefully Titus will bring it back.

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    Nice. Some things are just hard to improve upon. I just hung a new dive train and hydraulic disc brakes on my 8 year-old HH100x and took it for a spin the other day and was impressed again what a rockin' good bike it is.
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    Yeah, I still love mine too. Bought mine new in 2006, thought of replacing it with something newer....until the next ride I took on it! HA! These are great bikes indeed.

    How old is yours? What are you using to protect the chainstay from chain slap (it looks super thin, if there is anything at all)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick
    Yeah, I still love mine too. Bought mine new in 2006, thought of replacing it with something newer....until the next ride I took on it! HA! These are great bikes indeed.

    How old is yours? What are you using to protect the chainstay from chain slap (it looks super thin, if there is anything at all)?
    I bought mine in May 2005. I just recently replaced the decals, which made it look new again. I still remember the brown box coming to my office, and the look of the secretary when I took it out to show her (she didn't care... at all).

    I'm using clear 3M frame protection on the chainstay, top and bottom; plus a little on the inside of the seatstay. It works great.

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    I love mine. Best bike I've ever owned. The only thing I would like is a spare rear end in case those carbin stays snap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starsky
    I love mine. Best bike I've ever owned. The only thing I would like is a spare rear end in case those carbin stays snap!
    I don't know that I've ever heard of anyone's carbon seatstays breaking on a Moto. Now, the LightRail is a different story...

    I love my ML. The only thing improvement I could recommend is maybe a little more rear tire clearance for those of us who want to run an honest-to-god 2.3+ in the midwestern mud.

    Oh, and a larger seatpost to widen the selection of dropper posts available to us.

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    I love mine too, I just went Dyna 2x10 on mine. Part change but the frame stays the same.

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    Love mine too. Only thing that ever bothers me is how fast I go through DU bushings on my rear shock, but that's a Horst Link design issue. I look at all the newer 120 travel bikes that have come out in the last few years, and the ML still is at the top with any of them. Sure it's not as light as some of the newer carbon frames, but it still rocks. I race it, I trail ride it. It's also the little things like the 2nd bottle mount that the newer Titus stuff left off that reminds me it was the last Titus I lusted after. The FTM's rear end never did it for me.

    They need to bring the ML back, maybe just with a larger diameter seatpost, x-12 dropouts, and a tapered HT. A carbon version at 5lbs flat wouldn't be bad either.

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    Ditto the above, though I was slow to get on the Titus bandwagon. I've had mine now for over a year, and it's been great. I love the stiff rear end - which sounds unique to the ML at Titus. I also love the plush ride in the open RP2 (Pushed) mode - its like floating on a pillow. My next step is to install a Lefty Max Carbon 140 on it from my recently retired - God Rest Its Soul - Cannondale Prophet. Best of all worlds.

    This tapered headtube trend disturbs me but didn't prevent me from buying the ML. It makes no difference. Just look at motorcycles and their small head tubes. My 568 lb Harley has a smaller headtube than my ML! Talk about the power of marketing to convice fools of something they think they "need". My Prophet had a full 1.5" top/bottom, yet no difference to me in front end stiffness over the 1 1/8 found on the ML.
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    I received mine the same month and year as Duls. It's now hanging from the ceiling of my garage with a cracked seatstay. I can't even bare to look up at it I want back on her so bad! I've destroyed my body so much I can barely get on anything these days, however.
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    I love my 2007 Motolite as well but, some paint (ano brown?) at the bottom of chainstay next to the chainrings have come off (from rocks, etc. hitting it) and now bare metal is showing. Just wondering if this reduces the integrity of the frame in any way? If not, I suppose one day, I can repaint the frame. Was considering buying an FTM frame and move parts over from the motolite. But, as the thread says, I love my Motolite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTigerSonny
    I love my 2007 Motolite as well but, some paint (ano brown?) at the bottom of chainstay next to the chainrings have come off (from rocks, etc. hitting it) and now bare metal is showing. Just wondering if this reduces the integrity of the frame in any way? If not, I suppose one day, I can repaint the frame. Was considering buying an FTM frame and move parts over from the motolite. But, as the thread says, I love my Motolite.

    Bad news. There's little else holding the bike together other than that thin coat of paint. If your MOUNTAIN BIKE is suffering from scratches I'm afraid its only a matter of time before the whole thing collapses beneath you.
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    Ah, it is good to have blackagness back and surly as ever!

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    I guess I have overlooked the warning sticker that reads "If your paint scratches, please discard the bike. Ride at your own risk."

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    Some ano brown paint?

    Quote Originally Posted by FatTigerSonny
    I love my 2007 Motolite as well but, some paint (ano brown?) at the bottom of chainstay next to the chainrings have come off (from rocks, etc. hitting it) and now bare metal is showing. Just wondering if this reduces the integrity of the frame in any way? If not, I suppose one day, I can repaint the frame. Was considering buying an FTM frame and move parts over from the motolite. But, as the thread says, I love my Motolite.
    stock paint= pansy cockface

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    Paint is lowest form of frame covering available. Anodized is where it's at. Falling somewhere between the two is a good powder coat.

    It amazes me that a boutique bike company the caliber of Titus would use paint for a frame. Spend a few extra nickels and coat that thing with something durable!

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    how much does paint stripping and anodizing or powdercoating cost generally?

    My top tube is getting dulled right now even. I tried waxing it with turtle wax, but no dice...still looks dulled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick
    how much does paint stripping and anodizing or powdercoating cost generally?

    My top tube is getting dulled right now even. I tried waxing it with turtle wax, but no dice...still looks dulled.
    Try bike wax. Its called something dust or I'll think of the name and post back. It'll work.




    Far as the paint and chainsay business, all true enough but there's not a paint or any other application made that can withstand a chain knocking around on it constantly. That's what lizard sins are for.
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    Not trying to hijack this thread and no disrespect to dulyebr for starting this worthy thread. But, there are a few responses regarding paint. I'm not even saying that Titus or its paint contractor did a bad job. Where I ride, Chantry Flats, in the San Gabriel mountains, there are a lot of rocks. I could have easily caused the damage going over rocks. But, the way the chip paint looks is a bit strange, as the pic will show. If you hit a rock, the scratch is usually identifiable. On mine, it just seems that a patch of paint just fell off. But, I know that since the bare metal is scratched up a little bit, that I did hit something. Maybe caused a small scratch, and the paint just started peeling from there. Now, since its a patch of bare metal, and over welded areas, I was thinking this cannot be good for the longevity of the frame. Any opinions? Nevertheless, I love riding this bike. I just finished a ride and this is still my primary ride. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick
    how much does paint stripping and anodizing or powdercoating cost generally?
    I had an old cro-mo hardtail frame stripped/powdered a few years ago by a place in Michigan. www.powdercoatstudio.com/
    They specialize in bike frames, so they're awesome about plugging holes/masking/facing and chasing threads afterward. I think it cost me about $120+shipping (which was about $30). It's not cheap, but it was completely worth it. It was almost like getting a brand new bike!
    They have tons of colors, but I went with a really nice matte white. It has been extremely durable so far!

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    Those trails are good to go??

    Quote Originally Posted by FatTigerSonny
    Not trying to hijack this thread and no disrespect to dulyebr for starting this worthy thread. But, there are a few responses regarding paint. I'm not even saying that Titus or its paint contractor did a bad job. Where I ride, Chantry Flats, in the San Gabriel mountains, there are a lot of rocks. I could have easily caused the damage going over rocks. But, the way the chip paint looks is a bit strange, as the pic will show. If you hit a rock, the scratch is usually identifiable. On mine, it just seems that a patch of paint just fell off. But, I know that since the bare metal is scratched up a little bit, that I did hit something. Maybe caused a small scratch, and the paint just started peeling from there. Now, since its a patch of bare metal, and over welded areas, I was thinking this cannot be good for the longevity of the frame. Any opinions? Nevertheless, I love riding this bike. I just finished a ride and this is still my primary ride. Thanks.

    Thought they were still completely ruined from the fire.. anyway blackness speaks the truth, just use a protector. Rotate it once in a while, even the protector will get chewed up. And one on the seatstay too. Old tire works

    *looking thru the noise in that pic, those are bite marks from chain slap.. anyone that still has paint there= pansy kackface
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    do you have a pic of the frame they did for you?

    Thanks. yeahdawg.
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    Idea!

    I've seen enough botched paint jobs posted often enough to say that in my opinion that pic is natural chain slap\rub.

    Pedros bike lust is the polish I was thinking of. Think they also have one called bike dust too? Whatevers at your LBS should do the job. Your sweat is full of salt. Which will eat YO shizz right up! Wash down your frame thoroughly, and rub that polish on with love and the old girl will SPARKLE in the sunlight.
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    For the record a botched paint job will start peeling away in flakes with no disernable pattern in the oddest places such as a top tube or down tube "for example" exposing the raw yet untouched "scratchless" material underneath. Think of an old house or some iron handrails in need of a new paint job. It will FLAKE. Get it? Common sense people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus
    Ah, it is good to have blackagness back and surly as ever!
    Surly?

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    Appreaciate the sentament doe Ves! I admit!!... kinda missing yall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I've seen enough botched paint jobs posted often enough to say that in my opinion that pic is natural chain slap\rub.

    Pedros bike lust is the polish I was thinking of. Think they also have one called bike dust too? Whatevers at your LBS should do the job. Your sweat is full of salt. Which will eat YO shizz right up! Wash down your frame thoroughly, and rub that polish on with love and the old girl will SPARKLE in the sunlight.

    Interestingly enough the latest edition of the Ibis Tech manual recommends against using Pedros Bike Lust as it is harmful to the paint. I would just stick with good old fashion lemon pledge.

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    gotta say, I just got a Motolite off of ebay. Finished building it up this past weekend, first ride on it was yesterday. DAMN, that is one fun bike. I'm running it in 5" mode with a 130 Revelation, CC Zonos wheelset, Eskar f/Captain r, mixed components of XT/X7, short stem & wide bars. This bike is fast.

    I'm not feeling the AM in this bike that some have expressed in the past. Maybe with a Pike and some beefy wheels??? I think this bike is THE definition of a lightweight trail bike that can rip up singletrack. Gonna drop the fork to 115mm this weekend and get to know this bike better. Happy I was able to pick one up... finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro
    Gonna drop the fork to 115mm this weekend and get to know this bike better.
    Congrats on the purchase! I must say that 120mm is the sweet spot for forks on this frame, in my experience.

    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sopwithcamel
    Interestingly enough the latest edition of the Ibis Tech manual recommends against using Pedros Bike Lust as it is harmful to the paint. I would just stick with good old fashion lemon pledge.
    Good to know. However I used it for years and it always worked Wonderfully. And though I thrashed my ML into a wall decoration the paint still looks MARVALOUSE darling.


    Maybe that was for Ibis? I'm just a guy, and I'm telling you it works for brightening up dulling paint back to brand new on WELL utilized 05 ML's owned by blackagness. Without harming the paint.
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    Yep, same here on the fork travel...I used to run my revelation on 130 for any time I was pointed downhill longer than a minute or two. After trying the middle settings, around 115mm, I had forgotten to let out the front end for a few downhills and noticed a dramatic difference in handling. I wouldn't say I was wandering up front before @ 130, but just a few turns down on the fork travel made a definite improvement on how "balanced" the bike felt and how it railed through corners and was faster through the small dips, creek crossings, etc, not to mention the small rolling climbs....all to say that it just feels more nimble and aggressive @ slightly lower fork travel than 130mm. I wish I would've figured this out back in 2006 when I first got the frame! Enjoy your bike! These motolites rock!
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    f_n, I've seen some people claim that front end wandered a little on the steep climbs and got a bit light. I didn't experience that at all but I'm only running 15mm of spacers under my stem so my bar height is lower than I would normally ride, about 30.

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    I love my ML at 140mm railing single track "where I pride myself" as well as desending or climbing. Sometimes I lower it on climbs, sometimes not. Tends to wonder either way if the grades steep enough. The single track is fast and SUPER TIGHT down here btw. If you turn your head your nose smacks a tree, but I remember duly had similar feelings to yall.

    Anyway, we have tornados coming, and I've got 20 miles to cover just to drop off a tile sample all the way out in cow country.


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    Backie, buy some new carbon stays from the titusti.com site, and get your ML rideable again. It's a great complement to a built-up AM bike like a Guapo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    Backie, buy some new carbon stays from the titusti.com site, and get your ML rideable again. It's a great complement to a built-up AM bike like a Guapo.

    I think Blackie is too old to ride now...


    All kidding aside, dulebr is right, buy the carbon and get that ML back on the trail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus
    I think Blackie is too old to ride now...


    All kidding aside, dulebr is right, buy the carbon and get that ML back on the trail!

    Yeah, I remember when people used to sometimes think "THE BEAR" in my pic thingy was me.

    I can actually hardly walk sometimes from all the hits I've taken, but get me on a bike and I don't feel a thing... So far.


    EDIT: when in truth I'm just a black woman named Agness.
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    one of the best

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    Still one of the best bikes evar!
    for sure I have two of them & a racer x KP

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    Well fellas you asked for it and today I saw it at sea otter, a new Moto Lite on display that will replace the FTM...well for now at least they were unclear if FTM was totally gone or how it would fit in there new lineup.
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    went for a decent ride today after rebuilding my Revelation and dripping it down to 115mm. I can't say that it made any positive difference for me. Could be due to the already low stack height I was running on my stem but so far, liked it a LOT better at 130mm. Maybe a few more rides will sort things out but maybe I'll move the fork back to 130. IMO, it took a lot of the fun and playful feeling out of this bike and made it feel like a XC bike through and through.

    To each his own I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro
    went for a decent ride today after rebuilding my Revelation and dripping it down to 115mm. I can't say that it made any positive difference for me. Could be due to the already low stack height I was running on my stem but so far, liked it a LOT better at 130mm. Maybe a few more rides will sort things out but maybe I'll move the fork back to 130. IMO, it took a lot of the fun and playful feeling out of this bike and made it feel like a XC bike through and through.

    To each his own I guess.
    Similar feelings. I always thought people that prefered it that way because it feels more like what their used too. I can dive into corners with abandon, and still know how to keep the front tire planted without having to feel like I'm going over the bars all the time with my back hunched over.

    Loose the back tire traction= fun! Loose the front= dirt. guess it takes skill to know how to achieve it with your fork at the proper length so you can still be ready for the steaps. Ah, if only everyone could be as gifted as myself.


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    I just like my bottom bracket to be lower. I've gone with a 120mm fork (Reba) with no travel adjust and a low stack headset so that I could get the BB down. I also use 30% sag to lower things a bit. The Push trail tune helps keep the bob/squat under control.

    Just depends on what you want. I like the ML as a XC/trail bike. If it were my one bike, I'd want it more slacked out, but then you've got a BB that's ~14"...

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    I agree with the ML with a longer travel fork = more fun. I had no issues on the steep climbs or ripping through corners. I actually felt the front end to be a little too twitchy through quick downhill switchbacks. Felt it handled better with the fork at 130mm, actually. Then again, i'm used to a 68 deg 5" bike so controling FE wander is no big deal and cornering... well you get the point.

    dulyebr, the lower BB was about the only thing I did like about dropping the fork. I agree that the ML with a 1/2 inch or 3/4 inch lower BB woould be nice.

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    High BB's KILL handling. I've run 160mm up front and didn't notice that the BB felt high? 30% sag on a 120mm Reba seems like it would dive?

    The stack hieghts all in YO head, BTW!
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    Either way your right Duly. 14" BB is just plain lumbering.

    Go figure.
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    My motolite love just got reinforced after my last trip to Fruita/ Moab. We covered 145 miles in 3 days. Day 1 Marys loop + all the shorter loops off of it, Fruita, 15 miles. It railed the techy and fast singletrack. Day 2 Porcupine loop, Moab, 30 miles. Climbs like an xc bike but still nails it on the rocky DH. Day 3 White Rim Trail, Moab/ Canyonlands, 103 miles. Pedals great over the long haul but with enough cush to take out the pain of a 103 miles of mtbing.
    A very versatile and reliable bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whambat
    My motolite love just got reinforced after my last trip to Fruita/ Moab. We covered 145 miles in 3 days. Day 1 Marys loop + all the shorter loops off of it, Fruita, 15 miles. It railed the techy and fast singletrack. Day 2 Porcupine loop, Moab, 30 miles. Climbs like an xc bike but still nails it on the rocky DH. Day 3 White Rim Trail, Moab/ Canyonlands, 103 miles. Pedals great over the long haul but with enough cush to take out the pain of a 103 miles of mtbing.
    A very versatile and reliable bike.
    please post pics

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    sniff, i miss mine!


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    Edit: Never mind
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    Breathing some new life into my Motolite

    I will admit to doing some serious shopping over the last year. New models like the Mach 5.7, DW 5.5 Spot, Yeti 575, and Mojo HD140 make a pretty compelling case for the way I ride. I've managed to test all the above models except the Spot. I'm just not quite ready to pull the trigger...still love my ML.

    I run the Motolite with my Talas in 140mm with 2.4 Conti Mountain Kings. This put my BB up to about 13.8". Pretty high for my liking. So to stave off a new purchase that haunts my dreams, I made a few changes to my current set up. I bought a 1 1/8" custom angle head set from Saar (search the Turner forum if you want more details).

    The angle set reduces the HA by 1 degree. Hard to measure accurately, but my iPhone has it around 67-68 degrees. The best part however is my BB dropped down to 13.5"....which when combined with a slacker front end is really nice.

    Only one test ride so far but the descents were VERY noticeable. Much more control, easier to rail corners, and confidence inspiring. The front was bit twitchy on steep climbs, but it was like that to begin with and nothing a little body positioning can't solve. I need some more saddle time to evaluate - but for now I'm way lovin' my Motolite!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebeer
    I will admit to doing some serious shopping over the last year. New models like the Mach 5.7, DW 5.5 Spot, Yeti 575, and Mojo HD140 make a pretty compelling case for the way I ride. I've managed to test all the above models except the Spot. I'm just not quite ready to pull the trigger...still love my ML.

    I run the Motolite with my Talas in 140mm with 2.4 Conti Mountain Kings. This put my BB up to about 13.8". Pretty high for my liking. So to stave off a new purchase that haunts my dreams, I made a few changes to my current set up. I bought a 1 1/8" custom angle head set from Saar (search the Turner forum if you want more details).

    The angle set reduces the HA by 1 degree. Hard to measure accurately, but my iPhone has it around 67-68 degrees. The best part however is my BB dropped down to 13.5"....which when combined with a slacker front end is really nice.

    Only one test ride so far but the descents were VERY noticeable. Much more control, easier to rail corners, and confidence inspiring. The front was bit twitchy on steep climbs, but it was like that to begin with and nothing a little body positioning can't solve. I need some more saddle time to evaluate - but for now I'm way lovin' my Motolite!!
    That is cool to hear. This could be the ticket with 130mm fork!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus
    That is cool to hear. This could be the ticket with 130mm fork!
    Agreed! I don't plan on buying a new fork, but I'll play around with the Talas at 140mm and 120mm to what I like the best.

    I was grinning ear to ear this morning.

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    Ml owners, I've only been on my ML for about 2 months now. Fnally have it dialed in... cockpit wise. I was thinking about either replacing the rear shock, stock RP2 I presume, or having it PUSHed.

    My issue with the rear shock is that running it with about 25-30% sag, where it feels best, gives it a tendancy to wallow in mid-stroke and blow thru the travel too easily. It also necessitates the use of the ProPedal for long steep climbing, which the current factory tune makes for a SUPER harsh ride.

    So, what would you all recommend? PUSH or look at the newer offerings from Rockshox? Never sent a shock to Push before.

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    I don't know the price of the new Monarch, but folks are loving it on EG (I think some of the Homers do as well).

    As for PUSH I can tell you it's a worthy investment. I had them tune my RP23. I felt like I was asking for the moon. I said I wanted small bump compliance with a plush ride down, but firm on the flats and ups. Damn if that's exactly what they did....I run 30% sag, no wallow...but butter on downs. I would highly recommend it.

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    what ebeer said.

    I'm on my second refresh from Push. You'll need to send it to them at least every 12-18 months to keep the benefits. The first time I asked for the "plush tune", which was great. But this last time I asked for something right in between "plush" and "trail". I like it even better in this configuration.

    I also run 30% sag - very little bob, gobs of traction = best of both worlds.

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    Thanks guys. Looks like I'll be sending the rp2 to Push.

    dulyber, why do you need to send the shock back to Push for a "refresh" after they tune it the first time? Isn't their tune based on a customized shim stack? At least that is what I thought they did. Do you have to pay for the custom tune/rebuild again or is it just the seal replacement? I'm not too keen on spending $200 every year on my shock upkeep. That might sway me to research the monarch a little more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro
    Thanks guys. Looks like I'll be sending the rp2 to Push.

    dulyber, why do you need to send the shock back to Push for a "refresh" after they tune it the first time? Isn't their tune based on a customized shim stack? At least that is what I thought they did. Do you have to pay for the custom tune/rebuild again or is it just the seal replacement? I'm not too keen on spending $200 every year on my shock upkeep. That might sway me to research the monarch a little more.

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    check out this response from Push:

    Time for service
    Rear shocks are under tremendous load and need to be rebuilt every twelve to eighteen months depending on how much you ride and obviously the conditions. What you're experiencing is shim fatigue, oil breakdown, as well as nitrogen gas loss. All of the elements lead to a shock that starts to feel soft and less responsive.

    If your shock had our tuning service, you won't have to pay for the full Factory Tune again, just the Rebuild service. At the time of service the technicians also upgrade your internals to the latest generation that is being installed today at no additional charge. This ensures that our customers are not only running fresh equipment, but have the latest and greatest that we have to offer.

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    The rebuild only is $109 + shipping, so like $130 to get it serviced. Nice thing is that when it's serviced you get their latest/greatest technology if it's changed. Actually, $100 for a rebuild isn't bad. Also, there is no additional charge if you wish to change tune; as I did.

    The fact that my bike feels so much better each time I have the shock serviced makes me wonder if fresh suspension has anything to do with why people think that a new/demo bike is sooooo much better than their existing steed.

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    Duly, thanks for all that info. Helps a ton.

    Cheers!

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    Can I just quickly mention how much fun I have had railing twisty singletrack lately on my ML?

    I have really found the sweet spot to pilot my ML from. I used to steer the bike a lot more than I do now. Previously, I thought my tires were kind of sensitive and would wash out too easily in turns. Now I tend to get out of the saddle and hang out behind the saddle just a little and keep my center of gravity as close to the rear wheel axle as possible. Then I LEAN the bike, purposefully trying not to steer it and purposefully trying to see how far through turns I can go without touching the brakes.

    We have some great trails here in San Diego that have some good few miles of twisting singletrack that follows the bottom of some canyons and crosses the dry creek washes over and over again. I have been practicing this technique quite a bit there and have found myself FLYING through the turns.

    If you aren't aware of it, the ML chainstays are some of the most laterally rigid out there. This helps tremendously on holding your lines when leaning the bike through turns. Get your weight centered over these chainstays and get behind the saddle where you can really lean over your bike and you will see what I mean. It is so fun to go that fast and have the tires still hook up, riding on the outside knobs. I have been amazed that I don't have to hit the brakes through some of these turns and it becomes quite the mental game to see how long I can play chicken with myself, if you know what I mean. Anyone else experience this? If not, you HAVE to try it!
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    Interesting, I normally weight the outside pedal in a turn which allows you to keep yourself between the front and rear suspension which lets the bike float.

    But occasionally when riding down a paved hill I will slalom the bike back and forth which is a lot of fun especially when it's dark outside.

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    The first time I demo'd the ML was on some unfamiliar singletrack. Ended up hitting an unexpected turn while just cruzing in the saddle. Ended up leaned over so deep that my knee was almost dragging the ground, like a track bike in full lean. Thought the tires would break free at any moment and I'd wash but it held the line like it was boltedon rails. Never can remember what tires those were...

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    Bought mine in 2007 and just finished a little pimping for my move to Bahrain. Swapped the dt swiss 5.1ds for 1450s, changed the Saints for Magura sls and a contol tech cnc bar. weighs in at 26.6lbs and feels fantastic. I don't think i will ever get tired of this bike. Borrowed a Pivot mach 5.7 the other day which was nice but not as nice as the ml.

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    Totally agree with forgiven_nick regarding getting on top of the chainstays. Although, sometimes when I'm not as focused, I tend to lean back a bit too much and the front end feels like it takes work to keep on the trails. But, there is a sweet spot like he said. As for tires, I recently went with Kenda Bluegrooves 2.35 on the front. Now I feel the front is not as connected as when I ran the Nevegals 2.35.

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    Its funny because my tires really tend to wash out easily and skid when I brake and turn without leaning with my weight over this sweet spot. I am running the mutanoraptor 2.4 on the front, specialized renegade 2:q on the back...the renegade is really suprising me with this technique and is one of the reasons I was having to try this style in the first place...its almost a semi slick treaded tire.
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    I just got my July issue of MBA, and our fabulous ML is on the list of "The 25 Most Important Mountain Bikes So Far." Couldn't agree more.
    I recently started riding my wife's Fisher 29er on occasion, and I love it, but I can't see myself hanging up the ML just yet.

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    Anyone use their ML for an endurance racing rig?

    I have been training this year for my first endurance race (6hr solo) and of course will be riding my ML.

    Most of the endurance racers are moving to 4" FS 29ers it seems and I considered selling my frame, wheels, and fork earlier in the year to get a 29er...then I rode the ML again and railed down some of these twisty singletracks...it handles too well for me to part with it. Everytime I think the grass might be greener, I just go for a ride and my contentment soars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick View Post
    Anyone use their ML for an endurance racing rig?

    I have been training this year for my first endurance race (6hr solo) and of course will be riding my ML.

    Most of the endurance racers are moving to 4" FS 29ers it seems and I considered selling my frame, wheels, and fork earlier in the year to get a 29er...then I rode the ML again and railed down some of these twisty singletracks...it handles too well for me to part with it. Everytime I think the grass might be greener, I just go for a ride and my contentment soars.
    You are best served by a bike you are comfortable on and are confident of. I would have no second thoughts about riding my FTM Carbon demo in an endurance event.


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    I do still love this bike. We did 145 miles in three days and 14.5 hrs of riding.

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    Saw an Exogrid Motolite at Pleasanton Ridge today. Looked pretty.
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    I'm back

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    I decided my 34# Firebird was a little heavy for many of the Colorado front range trails and the Switchblade was worn out so I started looking around for a used Motolite.

    Found a nice one on FleaBay from a guy in Denver who had one stripped and powdercoated with a neat Grateful Dead motif. Most bits came off the old Switchblade except a used Revelation (which, after a rebuild is perfect for this bike).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerDan View Post
    After defecting from the Titus fold

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    I decided my 34# Firebird was a little heavy for many of the Colorado front range trails and the Switchblade was worn out so I started looking around for a used Motolite.

    Found a nice one on FleaBay from a guy in Denver who had one stripped and powdercoated with a neat Grateful Dead motif. Most bits came off the old Switchblade except a used Revelation (which, after a rebuild is perfect for this bike).
    I'm with you Danger, bigger bikes are great for confidence, but can make xc trails boring. Can feel like riding a couch.

    Love that paint job. How does the ML stack up to your Switchblade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr View Post
    I'm with you Danger, bigger bikes are great for confidence, but can make xc trails boring. Can feel like riding a couch.

    Love that paint job. How does the ML stack up to your Switchblade?
    Gosh Brett, it's been so long since I've ridden the Switchblede I can't really compare them fairly. Also, over time the SB grew burlier. With 5.7" rear travel and a Pike 20 mm TA fork, it was set up more plush than the Motolite. Then again, it was about 31# vs. 28.5# ML

    I'll just say that the ML is still a perfect trail bike so, like you, I "heart" my Motolite.

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    Not meaning to hijack--but I saw the comments on needing to go to propedal or lockout. I'm considering a ML, but hate having to reach down and lock to grind. How bad is the pedal bob in a big ring grind with the shock open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudrnnr View Post
    Not meaning to hijack--but I saw the comments on needing to go to propedal or lockout. I'm considering a ML, but hate having to reach down and lock to grind. How bad is the pedal bob in a big ring grind with the shock open?
    To be honest, as much as I love the ML, it's not great when it comes to bob. It's much better since i got the shock tuned by Push, and it behaves better in the small ring. having a round, instead of square, pedal stroke make a world of difference too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudrnnr View Post
    Not meaning to hijack--but I saw the comments on needing to go to propedal or lockout. I'm considering a ML, but hate having to reach down and lock to grind. How bad is the pedal bob in a big ring grind with the shock open?

    Yes, I would agree with dulyebr. A big ring mash is not what the ML is about. Spin and the bike is fine. Mash and it is terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudrnnr View Post
    Not meaning to hijack--but I saw the comments on needing to go to propedal or lockout. I'm considering a ML, but hate having to reach down and lock to grind. How bad is the pedal bob in a big ring grind with the shock open?
    the one nice thing about the ML is that the PP is so easy to reach. I've had a few bikes where reaching down to flick the PP switch was a complete PITA and downright dangerous in the wrong situation. This is part of the reason that I've learned to just ride w/o it. Plus, the PP on the stock RP is harsh as hell. The really nice thing about the ML is that it's a damn light frame that can be built up burly or super light and it'll change the whole feel of the bike.I personally think it excels with a light weight build.

    Pedal bob on the bike is there. Even with a smooth stroke, casually riding on the street, you get unwanted suspension movement. I have little knowledge of DW link bikes but other suspension designs that limit pedal bob have other unwanted characteristics. It is all a compromise. Just like using propedal is.

    The best thing to do is demo one. There are plenty of ML owners that you should be able to post in a local forum either here on mtbr or elsewhere and find someone who'll let you take the ML for a spin. Great bike though. It can be found for a killer price these days too.

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