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    Guapo v4 wishlist - ideas

    Updated to include ideas from everyone in this thread! (as of whenever my last post is below)

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    >Idea					How many have asked?
    dropper post cable guides		1111
    improved cable routing (gear/brake)	1111
    Rear axle bolt through (any width)	1111
    ISCG tabs allow 2x chainset+device 	1111
    higher bb				111
    Rear axle 142mm				11
    Steeper seat angle			11
    
    >Everything below has only been said once i think?
    slacker head angle			1
    different headset cup size		1
    more colour options			1
    colour matching on rocker/shock		1
    coil shock option			1
    make bb pivot accessible wih cranks on	1
    pm rear brake mount			1
    "moar travels"				1
    bottle cage bosses			1
    tolerance of seatube (too loose?)	1
    bearing caps				1
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    ok i haven't even built my EG v3 yet due to illness and other delays but already have ideas from discussions here and on STW. wondered what you'd all think?

    1) move ISCG tabs inboard? to allow 2x chain devices
    2) add bottle cage bosses to downtube
    3) more shock mount positions? there are two holes but very close. also not much clearance for CCDBair
    4) more improvements to the cable routing? suggestions please!
    5) can you make the rocker finish match and supply white Monarch on white / raw frames.

    things which won't happen:

    i) bolt through rear end? apparently only for 29er, easier for 26 upgrades, not going to happen :/
    ii) geometry changes.. most people love the EG ride, if you don't get another bike


    ... your ideas here?

    6) maybe supply some spare bushes and touch up paint with the painted frames? would be nice..


    yeah good job Brant & Co., thanks for a great frame at a great price. i still don't think there's anything that can touch it for quality vs price.
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    I'd like to see:
    12-142 rear as an option
    ISCG tabs recessed
    Dropper post routing

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    - slightly steeper seat angle
    - tapered steerer tube with ZS44 upper diameter and ZS56 lower diameter. You can ride all types of steerer tubes/headsets, have also the lower cups internal = more options.
    - cable routing for dropper posts would be highly appreciated!

    personally I don't need 142x12 or Syntace X12. 135mm gives you more options with QR or with 10mm thru axle and it's stiff enough.

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    ok so still a few more things could be done with cable routing.

    what does an even bigger headtube do, let you run 1.5" forks? they're pretty rare right?

    also from other thread sounds like CCDBA may not be best shock.. perhaps a Monarch+ option if On-one can source them at good price.. not sure not many people have all the shocks to try, something brant could maybe look into.

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    Head tube cable routing like V1 with tabs. Higher bottom bracket. Anodized finishes like the brown of old or even custom colors for a price.

    Really I just finished a day of runs down the mountain on v1 and then two runs on v3 and I'm compiling my thoughts over a few beers so ill get back to you. No WiFi in our room and the lobby sucks.
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    I'm listening of course.

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    The current EG is already a pretty dialled bike, but I would not mind having:

    -Rear thru axle. It doesn't matter if its 142 or 135mm. Maybe have replaceable dropouts like the GT Sanction/Force so riders can choose QR or TA.
    -Coil shock option would be nice
    -Switch the bottom bracket pivot access to the non-drive side so checking/tightening it doesn't require removing the cranks
    -Recess the ISCG tabs. Adding spacers is easy. Adjusting the other way...not so much.
    -Improve the cable routing. The top tube guides are too close to the shock mount.

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    el G-1

    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    I'm listening of course.

    I told Siri "give me el G w/ 142 and moar travels", two renderings came out

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    1. Higher BB
    2. dropper post cable/hose routing
    3. Full-length gear housing routing
    4. Slacker head angle [currently rolling the 1.5 degree Angleset with a 140/180 TALAS to get it dialled in nicely]
    5. Steeper seat angle
    6. Higher BB

    I can tweak/mod everything except for the BB height. If it doesn't get higher on the next iteration, I'll be forced to shop elsewhere.
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    Oh yeah...post mount brake tabs

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    isn't the low bb a good part of why we love the ride though? pinkrobe sounds like you use it for pretty big DH?

    sorry for neglecting the thread, i will edit my original post later and show in order of most requested or something.

    been out on my EG today (only 3rd ride)... i'd give it a 9/10 for climbing and 6/10 for descending so far, weirdly - expectation was it'd descend great but slow me on climbs! - not so. but this is with a 150mm revelation and short headset.. probably a longer one of either would bring the descending up

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    3. Full-length gear housing routing
    Doesn't v3 alread have that or is it just mine?
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    added tally of everyone's suggestions to 1st post

    it says something about loyalty to this bike that there are people who would seriously buy it again if some of these fixed

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    my vote on improvement over v3

    1. dropper post cable guide regular + (possible for integrated post like reverb stealth and KS integral?)
    2. improve cable routing
    3. rear through axle

    these are just minor feature improvement. i also hope to see titus making bigger tweak to the frame like longer rear travel or geometry tweak down the road on v5 or later

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniwisejosh View Post
    -Switch the bottom bracket pivot access to the non-drive side so checking/tightening it doesn't require removing the cranks
    might not need to remove cranks w/ little dremel action

    make sure you put loctite on the threads


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post

    been out on my EG today (only 3rd ride)... i'd give it a 9/10 for climbing and 6/10 for descending so far, weirdly - expectation was it'd descend great but slow me on climbs! - not so. but this is with a 150mm revelation and short headset.. probably a longer one of either would bring the descending up
    The descend is stable but bike feels retarded in response to steering?
    This frame gives a silly amount of traction and stability when properly set up so much so you can afford to push it a little more than usual... Off the saddle and move those hips around

    if things are kicking up in the rear...check the sag. 30% is pretty much the magical number most agree on,

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    I dont agree with Higher BB, if you have pedal strikes its better to increase pedal skills than making the bike less stable and accurate.

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    I dont agree with Higher BB, if you have pedal strikes its better to increase pedal skills than making the bike less stable and accurate.
    That's your opinion. If I didn't pedal through some sections in places I ride I would get stopped dead. Lots of steep switch backs with tight bench cuts require higher bottom brackets.

    It isn't all about skill some times. just good ol'e proper engineering for the trails you ride on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    That's your opinion. If I didn't pedal through some sections in places I ride I would get stopped dead. Lots of steep switch backs with tight bench cuts require higher bottom brackets.

    It isn't all about skill some times. just good ol'e proper engineering for the trails you ride on.
    I see .. whats your fork travel?
    ( or better your AC and sag front and rear )
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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    The descend is stable but bike feels retarded in response to steering?
    no it actually feels too quick with a 50mm stem (like it wants to dive/tuck in sometimes) and better but not right with 65mm..
    but you are right about the rear sag i think, at 110psi i got 25% felt ok, at 125 psi i got 20% and nowhere near full travel, felt worse.
    this is why i need longer fork/headset!

    i'm not sure about all these suggestions about longer travel/higher bb etc.. aren't you making it a different bike? i'll include them still just so it's fair/balanced for brant.

    im also getting pedal strikes btw, but i realise
    1) i need to adjust a bit, it's mostly my fault
    2) once i raise the front end by 10mm i'll raise the bb by about 5mm or something?
    3) i assume the low BB is essential part of the "surfy" feel of this bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    2) once i raise the front end by 10mm i'll raise the bb by about 5mm or something?
    yes, with simlpe euclidean geometry you know exaclty the rise, but raise with your hand the frond end to get a general picture...

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    I've put in a couple of rides on my new EG and here are some suggestions for the next revision:

    1. Slightly higher bb - I like a low bb, but I'm getting more pedal strikes than I'm used to (previous bike was a banshee spitfire which has a pretty low bb too), maybe just a slight raise

    2. Some kind of rear through-axle setup - I don't really notice the rear being flexy, but I see this as more of a 'Keeping up with the Jone's' kind of thing

    3. Some kind of fancy bearing caps - this is just an aesthetic thing, but I think that bearing caps (like on Giant's, Norco's, etc) give the bike a finished look.

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    updated table again.
    you can see higher bb and dropper guides are moving up

    you can add more wants, but please don't ask more than once for anything, makes this confusing.

    btw only problem i have with cable routing is around the seattube during suspension travel, there's a lot of slack to deal with.
    not sure why you'd want your cables attached to the headtube? if you cross them under the shock, they naturally go nicely around the headtube, no rub, no noise

    did no one else get a seattube that was a bit too big? long post about this on ST uk forum, basically i could get a wrap of clear tape about my post and insert it without snagging, but it doesn't seem to slip now so i'm not tooo bothered. this happened with Thomson and with a correctly plastic shimmed 27.2 so appears to be bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Doesn't v3 alread have that or is it just mine?
    Mine has it too if understood correctly the request...
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    They have had full length gear housing runs since V2.

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    size?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    did no one else get a seattube that was a bit too big? long post about this on ST uk forum, basically i could get a wrap of clear tape about my post and insert it without snagging, but it doesn't seem to slip now so i'm not tooo bothered. this happened with Thomson and with a correctly plastic shimmed 27.2 so appears to be bike.
    You have painted or ano frame? I wore out (wasted) the thompsons on mine, that is for sure. They're the loong posts though, in at least 1" below tt,, no cracks yet

    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    This frame gives a silly amount of traction and stability when properly set up so much so you can afford to push it a little more than usual... Off the saddle and move those hips around

    if things are kicking up in the rear...check the sag. 30% is pretty much the magical number most agree on,
    and/or use outside knee to lean it down

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    I want a chain guide now. I would like to see proper iscg05 tabs with a proper offset. Move it up the list one more!
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    egcellent

    175mm travel, move it up the list!


    and use chainstay tubes for new version of seatstays.. one piece 142 of course

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    DeerhillJ, i have an ano raw, but surely paint aren't painted on inside of tubes anyway? i am unsure whether the seattube is reamed too big, was too big from tube supplier (this is only plain tube on bike), or the top just got splayed above the "slit" on my frame. after being clamped tight for a bit it seems to have improved though. i saw one person on STW mention they couldn't get any seattube to fit and had returned and given up on the EG because of it. odd. don't have accurate enough caliper to confirm.

    are you serious about wanting 20mm more rear travel?

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    are you serious about wanting 20mm more rear travel?
    I could get on board with that. But I'd like to see something to replace the FTM first.
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    right, 175mm is a different bike.. what you're really asking is "can Titus/on-one have a long travel dh bike"? or do you really want a 175mm AM/XC bike
    gonna stop counting "moar travels" then sorry

    any other small tweaks anyone has though of? i'm guessing another production run wouldn't be till at least next summer for 2014?

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    it's your list Smiff, do what you want

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    DeerhillJ, i have an ano raw, but surely paint aren't painted on inside of tubes anyway?

    are you serious about wanting 20mm more rear travel?
    Not the paint, the ano covers the whole surface of the frame as it is dipped, ano coat wears off on each end where the seat post is, creates a bit of room.... don't think your "raw" is ano but finished and cleared, so basically painted?

    Yes. You will know when I am joking.. and probably have ps thrown in

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    right, 175mm is a different bike.. what you're really asking is "can Titus/on-one have a long travel dh bike"? or do you really want a 175mm AM/XC bike
    gonna stop counting "moar travels" then sorry
    It's your list Smiff, I think FR is a different bike as well, 25mm more travel than current EG is not long travel dh. I can tell we have different thoughts on this and that is fine, though with your 150mm fork EG, think you're doing the right thing by getting a larger stack headset (esp. on that lower bb height MK3). As for your AM/XC comment, I pretty much draw the line where my current EG is, several threads on here about a FR, don't think I'm the only one? I'd post a quick/dirty ps of FR version, you probably wouldn't want to see it : P
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    hehe well i doubt the thickness of the ano is what we're talking about, this was quite sloppy, it'd be about 10 microns or something tighter

    didn't realise bb was lower on v3.. is that just because ha is slacker?


    actually there was some complaints about finish on raw but couldn't really understand what he was on about.. does anyone think the raw doesn't look right/good? or is rough edges or something that people don't like?

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    My understanding is that the raw is clear anodized over the cleaned up raw finish, it will have imperfections. What part of "raw" does this guy not understand?

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    exactly, my only criticism was the rocker not matching the rest. if i could buy a black or white rocker, i'm probably now vain enough to change it.

    that rocker looks heavy. is it? is it forged aly? could it be made lighter (magnesium?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    exactly, my only criticism was the rocker not matching the rest. if i could buy a black or white rocker, i'm probably now vain enough to change it.

    that rocker looks heavy. is it? is it forged aly? could it be made lighter (magnesium?)
    Wouldnt touch the rocker any more than needed. Looking at the linkage curve and force/loads subjected as the bike moves into its travel... this solid one piece imo would be a central part of this whole frame's design holding things up nicely.

    Agree on the color choice though-- have seen diff color rockers came on similar color frames-- no telling what's gonna pop out of the box

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    exactly, my only criticism was the rocker not matching the rest. if i could buy a black or white rocker, i'm probably now vain enough to change it.

    that rocker looks heavy. is it? is it forged aly? could it be made lighter (magnesium?)
    You can buy a black rocker
    Titus El Guapo Rocker

    And bling kits:
    Titus Anodized upgrade kit

    As for rocker weight, I'd rather keep the current materials and price instead of charging more to shave a few grams with magnesium or carbon. The frame is already pretty light

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    I want a chain guide now. I would like to see proper iscg05 tabs with a proper offset. Move it up the list one more!
    +1 for that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by miniwisejosh View Post
    You can buy a black rocker
    Titus El Guapo Rocker

    And bling kits:
    Titus Anodized upgrade kit

    As for rocker weight, I'd rather keep the current materials and price instead of charging more to shave a few grams with magnesium or carbon. The frame is already pretty light
    Can the black rocker be stripped or something? I would prefer it silver. I think it will match better with the orange frame.
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    Can the black rocker be stripped or something? I would prefer it silver. I think it will match better with the orange frame.
    Going to try and strip my white one and I'll get back to you. Going to try and polish it in the tumbler I use to polish the brass for my shells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Gr View Post
    Can the black rocker be stripped or something? I would prefer it silver. I think it will match better with the orange frame.

    Check the link I posted. You can buy them in silver too. I don't think the rocker can be stripped. It looks anodized. You could always buy some paint stripper and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Going to try and strip my white one and I'll get back to you. Going to try and polish it in the tumbler I use to polish the brass for my shells.
    Yes please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miniwisejosh View Post
    Check the link I posted. You can buy them in silver too. I don't think the rocker can be stripped. It looks anodized. You could always buy some paint stripper and see what happens.
    I did but is a 100$ and I just bought my frame... It's a pity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    isn't the low bb a good part of why we love the ride though? pinkrobe sounds like you use it for pretty big DH?
    Well, there's low BB and LOW BB. The EG is more of a XC bike for me [I have a DH bike as well], but I do enjoy a rollicking descent as much as the next person. I'm tired of the near-guaranteed pedal strikes whilst climbing. The combination of the BB height and the tendency to settle into the middle of the travel put me a bit lower than I'd like, even with ProPedal on. Flip the PP off for the descents and it's glorious, super-active and plush. Why can't I have my cake and eat it too?
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    do you mean PP (you have a fox shock?) or the Monarch lever? the Monarch lever is nothing like PP nor a lockout, as the shock still settles as far into stroke. whereas a Fox PP shock actually holds it higher. Monarch lever basically affects the bump response only, so it may hold you higher in some situations like repeated hits, but not when smoothly riding over one big lump. Correct me if i'm wrong here. have discussed this with Brant because i thought my Monarch wasn't working right (its also losing air but thats separate issue!).

    Basically there is no way with the stock shock to hold the back end of the bike high on climbs (like i can with the remote on my RS Revelation).

    I agree basically, the shock and frame together put the bb height low and make the bike difficult on some climbs. 155mm is a lot of travel. it would be nice to have something like a real lockout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    do you mean PP (you have a fox shock?) or the Monarch lever? the Monarch lever is nothing like PP nor a lockout, as the shock still settles as far into stroke. whereas a Fox PP shock actually holds it higher. Monarch lever basically affects the bump response only, so it may hold you higher in some situations like repeated hits, but not when smoothly riding over one big lump. Correct me if i'm wrong here. have discussed this with Brant because i thought my Monarch wasn't working right (its also losing air but thats separate issue!).

    Basically there is no way with the stock shock to hold the back end of the bike high on climbs (like i can with the remote on my RS Revelation).

    I agree basically, the shock and frame together put the bb height low and make the bike difficult on some climbs. 155mm is a lot of travel. it would be nice to have something like a real lockout.
    PP = Fox ProPedal on the RP23 shock in my case. I don't know if the PP actually holds the bike higher in its travel, at least mine doesn't.
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    i guess we can remove the bb height stuff since it all turned out to be a mistake. presuming those complaining have the 12.5" BB not the 13.4" intended.

    anyone have any other ideas/issues come up at all?

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    No new ideas, just the same small tweaks I mentioned before.

    -Rear thru axle. It doesn't matter if its 142 or 135mm. Maybe have replaceable dropouts like the GT Sanction/Force so riders can choose QR or TA.
    -Coil shock option would be nice
    -Switch the bottom bracket pivot access to the non-drive side so checking/tightening it doesn't require removing the cranks
    -Recess the ISCG tabs. Adding spacers is easy. Adjusting the other way...not so much.
    -Improve the cable routing. The top tube guides are too close to the shock mount.

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    am i being a bit dumb here but, what's the issue with ISCG05 tabs on the current frame? I've got a 2x chain guide on without issue!?!?

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    is your ISCG tab flush with edge of bb shell? mine is (was) and this doesn't work if you have an inner ring afaik.

    ah poopy, there's a limit to how long you can edit posts for. can't update first post any more..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    is your ISCG tab flush with edge of bb shell? mine is (was) and this doesn't work if you have an inner ring afaik.

    ah poopy, there's a limit to how long you can edit posts for. can't update first post any more..
    Flush ISCG works with 2x10, but not 2x9 on a triple AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    is your ISCG tab flush with edge of bb shell? mine is (was) and this doesn't work if you have an inner ring afaik.

    ah poopy, there's a limit to how long you can edit posts for. can't update first post any more..
    2x9... 2mm additional spacers on drive side bb. Not risking more as NDS arm might not tighten properly otherwise. find the bolts with the flattest heads u can, usually would be torx.

    Not perfect but can live with it..


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    I will not be shopping for one, but my friend will.

    Would be cool if it had some replacable dropout system - for 12mm or QR. And with an option to move axle back 10mm... to fit 650b.

    Designed around 170mm 26" fork... or 160mm 650b.

    And with two positions of the shock mount. To either drop it slightly, with say 155mm travel... or raise it a bit with 165mm...

    With dropouts and front shock mounts one can tune it a whole lot..

    And do not make the BB too frigging low... this knuckle dragging trend got to stop...

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    bb drain hole! was loads of water in mine when i pulled it apart.

    EG is the only bike i've seen with bb shell made of two halves welded together. so i guess two holes one in middle of each side avoiding the weld?

    brant any tips please if we're drilling our own drain holes?

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    apparently 9 speed front mechs collide with the chainstay? seatstay? no idea how but it happens.. so you can run 1x9 or 10 speed anything.

    also add CCDB air can rocker contact on some frames.. presumably because those frames have the pivots on wrong places as i doubt the rockers or air cans vary?

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    Add a 13.8" BB height to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jappo View Post
    Add a 13.8" BB height to that.

    eh?! you've got one or you want one?

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    I want one with no issues! thus a 13.4" BB height. Sorry smiff that 13.8" was a typo.

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    oh right yeah join the club..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    apparently 9 speed front mechs collide with the chainstay? seatstay? no idea how but it happens.. so you can run 1x9 or 10 speed anything.

    also add CCDB air can rocker contact on some frames.. presumably because those frames have the pivots on wrong places as i doubt the rockers or air cans vary?
    I have the same issue on my Nicolai. Longer cage front derailler hits the chainstay, so I have to use short cage on. And with air can backwards CCDBA touches the swing link at full compression and extension in full travel setting, so I have to run it air can forward.

    I chalk it up to the fact that making and selling a frame compatible with every single aftermarket component is not feasible. But it i certainly possible to weld it to the published geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    oh right yeah join the club..
    Haha.

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    axe, so you can just put the CCDB on other way around OR use it on back hole and both are fine?

    so 9 speed front mechs are longer than 10 speed? who knew..

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    You might solve most of these petty issues that add up by having someone else besides Titus/On One make the EG....
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    Hope new QC involved hiring "El Jefe" w/ a strong pimp hand

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    Just bring back the old 09/10 models sans changes. I'll even drill out the cable guides myself and promise not to even mention a 142 rear.

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    Get all the QC issues aligned on the EG (whatever version you decide on) and move on to a full-blown FR/DH bike

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    haha, this got harsh. oh dear.

    boone, i think brant has done that with the On-one Codeine? maybe, not sure. personally i don't want a DH bike, the EG (or something like it) is one i'll have for a long time hopefully..

    maybe they should up the version just so buyers know they're getting something sorted? without stigma v3 now has.
    any word on latest batch yet?
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    Why do people go with the 150mm fork on this frame, is it purely weight savings? You must be way oversprung with that A/C for handling on the way down..

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    Not everybody can directly buy a suitable 160/170mm fork, and want to start with the fork they already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jappo View Post
    Not everybody can directly buy a suitable 160/170mm fork, and want to start with the fork they already have.
    Rewinding back to the early Guaps... it all started life with a 160. The intention of optimizing with smaller 150 was a rather recent thing. I still think it should stay with min 160 and 36mm stanchions... though I much prefer my 170 fork now. Stands to tell what is preferred should I decide to get one of those new 160 with 34mm stanchions and if the weight saving is really worth it. Never had a 150.. just too noodly at that stanchion size for like me and I'm not anywhere near the clydes category. Maybe for the smoother folks...

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    interesting, didn't know it was originally 160. thought it came with 150 rev? i don't find the Rev with 15mm maxle noodly at all (have a 20mm Pike on other bike so i know that), but i do run it high pressure.. the big thing is, 160/170 forks cost twice as much as 150. crazy.

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    Yep 160mm

    Yep, all started around a 160mm Fox 36 or 160mm Lyric. First demo I had in 2007 had a Lyric on it. I think the 150mm trend started in trying to build a light 6" trail bike. I recently just canned my Float 36 RLC and picked up a Lyric Solo Air 170mm. The bike is in the middle of a rebuild as it is getting beefed up a bit to become my Super D/Enduro bike.Guapo v4 wishlist - ideas-img_0601.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    interesting, didn't know it was originally 160. thought it came with 150 rev? i don't find the Rev with 15mm maxle noodly at all (have a 20mm Pike on other bike so i know that), but i do run it high pressure.. the big thing is, 160/170 forks cost twice as much as 150. crazy.
    Well I have one EG built up heavy and it's pretty much my "gravity" rig.. Coming down steeper stuff-- its really behaves more like a plow bike running at correct or lower spring rate-- that's where smaller forks don't cut it for me. Put my Pike on it for a short time when my old 160 was stripped down -- the noodly feel is not so much about the spring rate, rather its the noticeable flex in the Pike. RS did a good job with the stiffness at the crown and 20mm TA but that actually made whatever shortcoming in the 32mm stanchions in between much more significant.

    But to be fair... the same pike which usually goes on a long travel hardtail felt ok on that setup. Have to say riding style and confidence level in pushing a hardtail and a dualie is different. On the hardtail the front wouldn't see the kind of pushing down and banking away as I would do on the EG...

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    More beefed up version? yes please.. don't even want/need uber slacked 63º DH rig
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    thought it came with 150 rev?
    Why?
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    I think the El Guapo was around before Rockshox had 150mm forks. It was either 140mm or 160mm then. 140mm would not make sense given the bike's intended purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    Just bring back the old 09/10 models sans changes
    Bring back the 09 chainstays, start there...use the newer CS tubes for the SS. Update the yoke on the 09 SS, make it similar the rocker (see craigstr photo of black beaut), round the yoke end profiles to accept the CS tubes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Why?
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    Huh? The discussion was about early/original EG's, and you put up an article about the 4th iteration of the EG, around 4 years after the original EG. That problem probably is that the new owners (on one/planet x) tried to inappropriately market the bike as being something it is not - a bike that takes a little fork. That "v2" (or is it v3?) is the first of their attempts at fiddling with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    haha, this got harsh. oh dear.boone, i think brant has done that with the On-one Codeine? maybe, not sure. personally i don't want a DH bike, the EG (or something like it) is one i'll have for a long time hopefully..
    Harsh is a 150mm fork on EG.. doesn't that dive under and feel unsafe on steeps??

    I am jealous of those that have dealt with a 150mm fork. Once that's changed out and then proper balance is dialed in, you are in for a wonderful surprise (night and day).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Bring back the 09 chainstays, start there...use the newer CS tubes for the SS. Update the yoke on the 09 SS, make it similar the rocker (see craigstr photo of black beaut), round the yoke end profiles to accept the CS tubes
    About the 09 stays, reckon we are the 2 remaining broken records around here. Sure wouldn't mind buying if Titus can dust off a pc or 2 if they still manage to find.

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    Yep.. The SS still on the site, wish On One would just untie his hands and let brant have his own 170mm Titus
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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    About the 09 stays, reckon we are the 2 remaining broken records around here. Sure wouldn't mind buying if Titus can dust off a pc or 2 if they still manage to find.
    Why the 09 stays? Are the new ones breaking?

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    I can appreciate both types. The square tube build is heavier

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniwisejosh View Post
    Why the 09 stays? Are the new ones breaking?
    Nope... I like the older boxy chain stays and the "unrefined" seat stays which is 150gm heavier overall but a tad stiffer imo. You can flex the hydroformed stays by hand, squeezing them closer via the 2 tabs for the rocker mounting (this is the version since the 2010 EG that has been carried over unchanged to V2 and V3 I believe...) but won't really feel anything while riding...

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    differences at the HL area... old box stays (left) vs hydroformed ones (right)
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    Revelation/EG

    Seems there's a prime spot open somewhere between the Mega and the Scalp now that EG uses 150mm rev

    With the feel of el Guapo linkage we love (Horst link with no pivots on seat tube) and the ample shock size to work with, I can't help seeing the potential for an updated vision here (no one can deny, hardware Brant delivered on original Scalp was an impressive sight)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Seems there's a prime spot open somewhere between the Mega and the Scalp now that EG uses 150mm rev

    With the feel of el Guapo linkage we love (Horst link with no pivots on seat tube) and the ample shock size to work with, I can't help seeing the potential for an updated vision here (no one can deny, hardware Brant delivered on original Scalp was an impressive sight)
    I'll Second this!

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    i'm pretty lost. don't know Titus history before i started looking for a trail bike early last year.
    So when that magasine was written, someone at Titus sent out an EG with a 150mm fork and it won "best 150mm trail bike" with that. i don't really trust anything mags write but that suggests 1) bike was being specced with 150 fork and 2) that it was good with it. this was with old geometry which i understand all EG from the start (2008?) to 2011 had.
    now you're saying, 2012-2013 is really a 160-170mm bike (which i sort of agree with based on my experience). or not deerhill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    i'm pretty lost. don't know Titus history before i started looking for a trail bike early last year.So when that magasine was written, someone at Titus sent out an EG with a 150mm fork and it won "best 150mm trail bike" with that. i don't really trust anything mags write but that suggests 1) bike was being specced with 150 fork and 2) that it was good with it. this was with old geometry which i understand all EG from the start (2008?) to 2011 had.now you're saying, 2012-2013 is really a 160-170mm bike (which i sort of agree with based on my experience). or not deerhill?
    I've never seen that article before, where did you find it? BTW, having read it, I can see where you are coming from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    i'm pretty lost. don't know Titus history before i started looking for a trail bike early last year.
    So when that magasine was written, someone at Titus sent out an EG with a 150mm fork and it won "best 150mm trail bike" with that. i don't really trust anything mags write but that suggests 1) bike was being specced with 150 fork and 2) that it was good with it. this was with old geometry which i understand all EG from the start (2008?) to 2011 had.
    now you're saying, 2012-2013 is really a 160-170mm bike (which i sort of agree with based on my experience). or not deerhill?
    A little dated but objectively I would still go with this review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    A little dated but objectively I would still go with this review.
    The review is what sold me on the EG. I was pretty happy with the MotoLite I had, but wanted a bit more. A friend had picked up a Nomad and loved it, but I just didn't get a good vibe from the VPP. The El Guapo ticked a lot of boxes, and that review really clinched it for me.
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