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    F Ti M

    First titanium FTM arrived yesterday.
    Still wiping off the drool.

    I was surprised to find it lighter than the regular FTM, weighing in at 5.75 lb. for this large, vs. 5.9 for the aluminum.
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    drool indeed... Thanks for the pixels, Bob!

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    Wow, that looks good. I've always liked the looks of the Titus Ti frames.

    I hope they never learn to manipulate, bend and form Ti like they do with they're aluminum stuff.
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    MUST RESIST!!!!!!!!! I wonder who the proud owner of that frame is gonna be. I betcha he runs 09 Marta SL's and Industry Nines in black on it.
    "Can I put a Totem on a FTM?".....Originally Posted by All Mountain

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    Looking lovely... Post pics when it's built!

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    Disgusting. Don't you know this is a family website? And you go posting shockingly explicit pornography like that?

    Perv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiEndo
    MUST RESIST!!!!!!!!! I wonder who the proud owner of that frame is gonna be. I betcha he runs 09 Marta SL's and Industry Nines in black on it.
    Lot's of people have that combo TE. Literally could be anybody.

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    I'll have it Friday, put it together and post a Ti ML vs. Ti FTM by Sunday night if all goes well.

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    I am speechless. That thing is better than Viagra.
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    Hey Bob.....I just pulled out my 10x zoom maginifiers.....is that a void in the welds at the headtube/downtube...topside.....just joking.
    "Can I put a Totem on a FTM?".....Originally Posted by All Mountain

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    Exquisite

    Freakin Awesome- beautiful welds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiEndo
    Hey Bob.....I just pulled out my 10x zoom maginifiers.....is that a void in the welds at the headtube/downtube...topside.....just joking.
    Take it easy TE. That better be drool Bob.

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    Drool comes with the....

    ...job. I'm sure you're used to it by now.

    More welds


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    Take it easy TE. That better be drool Bob.
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    Wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayndar
    Wow
    I agree. I can't wait to get my grimy mitts on it Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbob.com
    First titanium FTM arrived yesterday.
    Still wiping off the drool.

    I was surprised to find it lighter than the regular FTM, weighing in at 5.75 lb. for this large, vs. 5.9 for the aluminum.

    Holy moses... that's purdy....

    Got any closeups of that Lightrail thingy?


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    With that extra travel you'll have to hit the new stunts they built over the hill. Litespeed does some phenomenal welding. That thing is a work of art.
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    Light Rail

    Quote Originally Posted by simplton
    Holy moses... that's purdy....

    Got any closeups of that Lightrail thingy?


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    Some closeups from a black FTM.
    I like the one-piece rocker, except that it's a bit more work to remove it to install the brake line.
    And the seatstay brace moved forward of the seat tube is good.
    Asymmetrical chainstays are cool.
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    Thanks Bob. Quite some craftsmanship there. In typical Titus fashion....

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    With the bridge now in front, anybody else wonder if you could run a 2.25 inch shock for more travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominator13
    Litespeed does some phenomenal welding

    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus
    ?

    I'm pretty sure that Litespeed now welds Titus bikes. It's solid welding, but nothing extraordinary. I think the old Titus Ti bikes had "prettier" welds, but I also don't think pretty welds mean crap in terms of actual strength.

    Regardless, it's a beautiful bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightySchmoePong
    I'm pretty sure that Litespeed now welds Titus bikes. It's solid welding, but nothing extraordinary. I think the old Titus Ti bikes had "prettier" welds, but I also don't think pretty welds mean crap in terms of actual strength.

    Regardless, it's a beautiful bike.

    Huh? Need some info backing this please.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by MightySchmoePong
    I'm pretty sure that Litespeed now welds Titus bikes. It's solid welding, but nothing extraordinary. I think the old Titus Ti bikes had "prettier" welds, but I also don't think pretty welds mean crap in terms of actual strength.

    Regardless, it's a beautiful bike.
    ABG (Litespeed, Merlin) welds all Titus Ti production frames. Titus still welds all custom frames in house.


    Simplton check this thread for confirmation:
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    ABG (Litespeed, Merlin) welds all Titus Ti production frames. Titus still welds all custom frames in house.


    Simplton check this thread for confirmation:
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    Does anyone know if ABG is doing the Exogrid FTM's??????
    "Can I put a Totem on a FTM?".....Originally Posted by All Mountain

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    That headtube is missing the machining done to the one on the Ti ML.
    If I disagree with you, it's because you are wrong.

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    Wow that is just gorgeous! Can't wait to see it all built up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiEndo
    Does anyone know if ABG is doing the Exogrid FTM's??????

    Man, what is interesting is that even though Jones outsources their bikes - and probably uses the same materials as others, they charge what they charge. Pretty amazing. Titus frames are at least competitive, price-wise.

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    Unfortunately, a lot of people are not fans of ABG for lots of reasons. Personally, that's an endorsement to spend the bucks to go custom to stay away from them.

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    Very nice, but I still like the curvaceous lines of the Aluminum a bit more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Very nice, but I still like the curvaceous lines of the Aluminum a bit more.

    I agree with you Zorg, but I can appreciate the Ti bike too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex
    I agree. I can't wait to get my grimy mitts on it Friday.
    Betcha Orthorex is waiting for UPS already
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    SuMo still on the box. So is the Roadie. Drop-outs thinned quite a bit from the ML. Shaved 1/3 pound from my Ti ML.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex
    SuMo still on the box.
    Coolest box ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus
    Man, what is interesting is that even though Jones outsources their bikes - and probably uses the same materials as others, they charge what they charge. Pretty amazing. Titus frames are at least competitive, price-wise.
    Yeah, but the Jones is all swoopy and stuff....

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    ABG (Litespeed, Merlin) welds all Titus Ti production frames. Titus still welds all custom frames in house.


    Simplton check this thread for confirmation:
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    Thanks for the linky geo. Kinda bums me out a little. I understand it's still a Titus and all that... Doesn't change the fact that the FTM Ti is effin sweet looking...

    Thanks for the close up's of the rare end, Bob. The Titus board is def. slower than it used to be, but still, the dudes that frequent the board are some of the coolest on MTBR.

    cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex
    SuMo still on the box. So is the Roadie. Drop-outs thinned quite a bit from the ML. Shaved 1/3 pound from my Ti ML.


    LOL....I see you recieved the frame at your workplace as well.....Nice frame.......Can you put your macro lense to use and give us some big time views of the welds?????
    "Can I put a Totem on a FTM?".....Originally Posted by All Mountain

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    Very nice. I am going to demo an FTM this afternoon in austin. Unfortunately can't buy until next year, but I am riding everything I can.
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    Rode the FTM yesterday afternoon. While it was a nice bike, there are some definite things that I did not like. I have been riding a hammerhead for the past 4+ years and my short list (in order) is:

    pivot mach 5
    yeti 575
    titus ftm

    I tried to really dial the bike in and spent more than an hour on it, but just never got it perfect. For our terrain it did much better with the talas on 120 and opened all the way up than it did at 140.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austin_bike
    Rode the FTM yesterday afternoon. While it was a nice bike, there are some definite things that I did not like. I have been riding a hammerhead for the past 4+ years and my short list (in order) is:

    pivot mach 5
    yeti 575
    titus ftm

    I tried to really dial the bike in and spent more than an hour on it, but just never got it perfect. For our terrain it did much better with the talas on 120 and opened all the way up than it did at 140.
    What did you not like?

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    It could take more than one ride to adjust to a new bike, longer travel, new geometry.
    After more than 4 years on a Hammerhead, you get used to it.
    That may be why he preferred the 120mm setting whereas most Motolite riders are comfortable with full travel.
    I bet a week or two on the FTM would make for a different response.
    I've been on a Fireline 29 for quite a while and going back to a fs 26" bike takes some adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austin_bike
    Rode the FTM yesterday afternoon. While it was a nice bike, there are some definite things that I did not like. I have been riding a hammerhead for the past 4+ years and my short list (in order) is:

    pivot mach 5
    yeti 575
    titus ftm

    I tried to really dial the bike in and spent more than an hour on it, but just never got it perfect. For our terrain it did much better with the talas on 120 and opened all the way up than it did at 140.
    I guess I missed you out there yesterday, I didn't show until almost 1pm. I have had 2 of those three bikes and and put money down on a Pivot Mach 5 last fall. I liked the small bump compliance of the Pivot but I am convinced that the DW is 1) UGLY 2) Heavy and 3) Way too much going on and too many parts which means that much more to fix and maintain in the long run!

    I have owned 4 Yeti's since 2004, all 575's so obviously I liked this bike, 1) but it creeped on the uphill (got better with the newer 2008+ hydro-formed frame), 2) was heavier than a lot of its competitors, not a porky bike, but by no means a easily built 25lb bike (like the FTM) and 3) I simply was ready to try something besides a single pivot bike. Great bike but lost its appeal, kinda dated, and it was time to move on.

    The FTM does everything the Yeti did and does it better, you feel more a part of the bike, better at slow speeds and in turn in the technical stuff, loads stiffer, pounds lighter, and down right sexy!

    AustinBike, an hour is an ok amount of time on a bike but I have had the FTM for over a month with now over 100 miles under her and I have just now about gotten it dialed in, so in no way can one expect you to have dialed it in correctly in your simple 1 hour demo yesterday.

    So all in all, even though I now own the FTM and I hate to come off as a kool aid drinker of the bike, I do think it is a better bike than the other two you mentioned and I have 1000's of miles of seat time in the Yeti's to make that comparison fairly.

    And as far as the DW link goes, it's a fad right now, tons of people on their flavor kool aid right now. How come nobody gave a rats arse about the DW link when IH was running it for years? How come Dave Weagle, the inventor of the DW link, has chosen a single pivot design for his new bike (Evil Bikes) when he could have used his own design? Don't get me wrong, Pivot pulls the design off well, I just think it has too many draw backs IMHO for it to be considered the end all be all answer for the best enduro/trail bike currently available!

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    3) Way too much going on and too many parts which means that much more to fix and maintain in the long run!
    Oddly enough, the moving parts are either reduced or stay the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus
    What did you not like?
    OK, so let me start from the beginning.

    I rode the Pivot Mach 5 for ~3 miles. It climbed incredibly well. Very smooth handling. Ran well across a wide range of situations. I was real happy.

    I rode the yeti for ~15-16 miles. At first I didn't like the fact that it rode up so high, like an SUV, but eventually got used to it. It handled well in the turns, and over a variety of terrain, rocks, dirt, sand and any combination. It was a solid ride. After knocking yetis for so long (I had ridden them in the past, was not impressed), I had to admit that it was a pretty good bike.

    The FTM was pretty solid. The feel was good, but when it came to handling in rock gardens, it was less than stellar. The steering was "pulling" to either side. Maybe that was the fork as it was worse at 140 than 120. Going through rock gardens the handling was stiff, yet the bike wanted to wander. Climbing ledges, it didn't want to "jump" up them the way the pivot did, felt more like I was pulling it up.

    Dropping in, it felt fine and stiff, I could count on the bike to do exactly what I wanted. Maybe that was because the fork was already somewhat compressed.

    I have been riding the hammerhead for 4+ years now and I have to say that after riding both the mach 5 and the 575, I would have given up my bike on a straight up swap in a second. With the FTM I would have had to think about it a little more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austin_bike
    OK, so let me start from the beginning.

    I rode the Pivot Mach 5 for ~3 miles. It climbed incredibly well. Very smooth handling. Ran well across a wide range of situations. I was real happy.

    I rode the yeti for ~15-16 miles. At first I didn't like the fact that it rode up so high, like an SUV, but eventually got used to it. It handled well in the turns, and over a variety of terrain, rocks, dirt, sand and any combination. It was a solid ride. After knocking yetis for so long (I had ridden them in the past, was not impressed), I had to admit that it was a pretty good bike.

    The FTM was pretty solid. The feel was good, but when it came to handling in rock gardens, it was less than stellar. The steering was "pulling" to either side. Maybe that was the fork as it was worse at 140 than 120. Going through rock gardens the handling was stiff, yet the bike wanted to wander. Climbing ledges, it didn't want to "jump" up them the way the pivot did, felt more like I was pulling it up.

    Dropping in, it felt fine and stiff, I could count on the bike to do exactly what I wanted. Maybe that was because the fork was already somewhat compressed.

    I have been riding the hammerhead for 4+ years now and I have to say that after riding both the mach 5 and the 575, I would have given up my bike on a straight up swap in a second. With the FTM I would have had to think about it a little more.

    To each his own, your mileage may vary.
    Thanks man. I agree, to each his own. Good luck in finding your new bike. There are a lot of good options out there!

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    ML vs Pivot 5

    Mmmmmmm
    I tend to agree on the comment above that DW is seen as the latest etc etc.
    Having just come off riding one for the last couple of weeks comparing it to my ML, the ML works better for me.
    Ok the ML is not quite as firm on the pedals but hardly noticable BUT much more small bump compliant than Mach 5 no comparison.
    The ML is just sucj a damn good bike that I am struggling if the FTM can actuall be better!
    I still like the option for 4" at no trade off when needed for a race.
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