The elusive El Guapo 29

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  • 07-31-2012
    yeahdog31
    The elusive El Guapo 29
    It's been months since we've seen photos of the prototype EG 29. Any news? What's the word?

    Also, any word on finish choices? I am really liking the Super Raw on the Mk3 EGs...
  • 07-31-2012
    terrible
    I hope it takes another year now. if I buy another EG i'm gonna have to sell the jeep or something.
  • 07-31-2012
    JDBAUS
    According to Brant's twitter on Shedfire the prototype has been lost in the post..
  • 07-31-2012
    brant
    Tooling is being made for the revised chainstay bridge and dropout parts.
    Production is ordered.
    I'm hoping we'll see something in November.
  • 07-31-2012
    JDBAUS
    Any hints on sizes? Going to be an XL in the works, or sticking with the S,M,L sizings along similar lines as the 26" El Gaupo and Rockstar?
  • 08-12-2012
    ocean_29
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Tooling is being made for the revised chainstay bridge and dropout parts.
    Production is ordered.
    I'm hoping we'll see something in November.

    so the bridge will not be as we see here ?
    Spotted: Prototype Titus El Guapo 29er – Big Travel Budget Brawler! - Bike Rumor

    more room ?
    eventually 140 travel ?
    will I be able to fit my readyforelguapo29er 135mm rear wheel set?

    I know you cant answer :p
    cant wait !!!

    cheers
  • 08-12-2012
    brant
    Bridge is being retooled as I shortened the chainstays. The original sample used the same 26in chainstay bridge. The new one uses a new one. Chainstays are down to 458mm from the 471 on the sample.
    Also changed are seat angle and top tube length.
    Travel is 140mm
    Rear axle is 142x12, Shimano E-Thru-type.
  • 08-12-2012
    ocean_29
    So you can answer....with

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Bridge is being retooled as I shortened the chainstays. The original sample used the same 26in chainstay bridge. The new one uses a new one.

    - perfect answer

    Quote:

    Chainstays are down to 458mm from the 471 on the sample.
    - perfect answer
    Quote:

    Also changed are seat angle and top tube length.
    that's very interesting
    I ll take it as you shorten the reach...so
    - soooo perfect answer
    Quote:

    Travel is 140mm
    - perfect answer

    Quote:

    Rear axle is 142x12, Shimano E-Thru-type.
    yeah I know...trends.. : P ...I think I can address that

    how i like it when someone answer in a perfect way hahaha

    thx Brant
    cheers
  • 08-12-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    I ll take as you shorten the reach...so
    - soooo perfect answer
    Actually, no. I have another plan. But more on that in a bit :-)
  • 08-12-2012
    anvil_den
    I'm really not a 29er type but looking at the bits and pieces of info....hmmmm might change my mind now.
  • 08-16-2012
    ocean_29
    I smell an ultra short stem then and new ultra budget wide bars , at least for me.

    just hope I ll be able to fit some some 3x crankset down there that I already have....
    else cant do the maths..
    Difficult times for a proper new one, very difficult...

    and if I manage to fit and my bottom swing sram 7 FD i ll be very lucky.
  • 08-16-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ocean_29 View Post
    I smell an ultra short stem then and new ultra budget wide bars , at least for me.

    just hope I ll be able to fit some some 3x crankset down there that I already have....
    else cant do the maths..
    Difficult times for a proper new one, very difficult...

    and if I manage to fit and my bottom swing sram 7 FD i ll be very lucky.

    Yes to a short stem.
    I'm sure a triple will fit.
    FD is a high direct mount style.
  • 08-16-2012
    terrible
    direct mount hu?

    Belive it when I see it in the store.....
  • 08-17-2012
    ocean_29
    On a second thought and keeping in mind that is more difficult to change balance on 29er than 26" for known reasons, maybe its better to have the weight a little more rear, than you would except to find in some AM 26ers. Maybe its better to have a little longer top tube with a shorter stem. Αpart from accuracy, it would help the fork on descends in plenty of situations (e.g. less rapid dives) and the OTB, and help rider to find the right balance. On 26" short reach is playful but on 29er its not the case.

    A real challenge it would be to see if a 29er 140mm travel sus. system, would handle the rough trails with the same speed as a 150mm 26er before the bottom out of its less travel. Bigger wheels cant replace mm of travel in rough technical terrains, and as speed gets higher on these terrains the angle of attack and impact of a bigger wheel does not play role but a 29er suspension design could help so as to the exhaust of travel happen less easily than some 26"AM frames. (different suspension kinematics)
  • 08-18-2012
    Deerhill
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Actually, no. I have another plan. But more on that in a bit :-)

    Moar reach:thumbsup:...and more info
  • 08-26-2012
    Deerhill
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    direct mount hu?

    Belive it when I see it in the store.....

    wonder if it will be like the pic.. and if the iscg gets recessed or removed?
  • 08-26-2012
    terrible
    With all the issues on the v,1,2,3 I hope it atleast gets recessed on the 29'r v1.
  • 08-26-2012
    craigstr
    Funny, the old ISCG 05 url is gone and replaced with this:
    http://www.iscg.org/iscg-05_standard.pdf
    It now shows a 2.5mm recession and is dated 12/11, the old page was from 2005. So I guess ISCG 05 is updated and should be called ISCG 11.
  • 08-26-2012
    Deerhill
    Nov. not far away
    Also wondering leverage ratio here.. will EG still accept the coil shock?
  • 08-27-2012
    terrible
    Or should it be iscg05 v2. :)
  • 08-27-2012
    ocean_29
    I ve seen some prototype photos of this bike with crest rims and some skinny tires, i think the beavers...ok 29er with this kind of wheelset on a "long travel" 29er might work on some kind of wet uk terrain with a very light rider, but it would be flexy for sure in some many others situations.

    Wondering how could be this bike with some real rubber like Hans dampfs to help a little the rear 140mm traver, hope for enough rear clearance for that. Also more stiff rims than crests...right now i m balancing between this frame and an other 160mm 26" frame, but i d like to stick with the big wheels...


    I also found this, but nothing really new

    Summer Forecast on Vimeo

    Ok, Ed 36mm stanchions might help but would cost more than my car especially in 29er version :D and with that high cost someone could lean more easily in a real AM-Enduro 26" or 650b...also 36mm means more weight and i find too much 36mm
    with only 140mm travel...usual rider will not take full advantage of that kind of stiff stanchions with only 140mm...36mm would mean heavy AM use but you ll be out of travel there... deadlock here :D

    i suppose more info in eurobike :D
  • 08-27-2012
    Deerhill
    ISCG MK3 ; )

    a slack 36ed 29, I would buy !t today

  • 08-27-2012
    ocean_29
    what is written on its horn? Guapo 29er? :p
  • 08-27-2012
    yeahdog31
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ocean_29 View Post
    what is it written on its horn? Guapo 29er? :p

    Pretty sure it says "GuapStar."
  • 08-27-2012
    Deerhill
    we need more info /photos
  • 08-30-2012
    stinky steve
  • 08-30-2012
    Deerhill
    Proto
    There pics of the new parts on that link? Think that's from 5 months ago
  • 08-30-2012
    Deerhill
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ocean_29 View Post
    Summer Forecast on Vimeo

    Ok, Ed 36mm stanchions might help but would cost more than my car especially in 29er version :D

    i suppose more info in eurobike :D

    maybe suntour has something up their sleeve ?
  • 08-31-2012
    ocean_29
    Until then some options of forks may be in production like Trace 29 and if it's price is high, always there is the sweet alternative of manitou in 32mm.
  • 09-04-2012
    ocean_29
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ocean_29 View Post
    i suppose more info in eurobike :D

    And I was totally wrong :D

    Anyway, wondering ..

    Is this bike designed having in mind ( at least in most cases) that the saddle should be below the bars or the opposite?
  • 09-05-2012
    brant
    With a 101mm/4in headtube (as short as I want to make it for structural reasons) and a 140mm suspension fork, I'm sure smaller people will find their bars at the same height as their saddle.

    Bar height is a function of:-
    Stem rise
    Bar rise
    Fork length
    Headtube length
    Head angle (to a small degree).

    The first two affect bar height more than anything, and can be controlled and varied more.

    What is your personal preference?
  • 09-05-2012
    ocean_29
    Firstly if you don't care to read the rest or its boring (I really understand it :D) But,
    could you define "small people" I am 183cm with 85cm inseam. would I have the saddle at least the same height with bars?




    I find my current XC bike handles very good in XC trails but I tried to make it a little more trail capable and easy to manual on some more demanding descends. After some trial and error period, I added a couple of cm in AC going from 80mm travel to 100mm , shorten a little bit the stem with 0 rise, wider bars ..

    and with 2cm space under the stem I also have my saddle lower than before but still a bit upper the bars and I am truly satisfied. I can lower the bars even more for more accuracy, and even more proper power tranfer but that's the sweet spot for me and the local trails that an XC bike can handle with my skills. Throw a pro on it and it could handle more but that's not the case.

    With the saddle over the bars you can pedal in more efficient way and put more force to the ground that I general like,

    but

    with 140mm FS 29er wouldn't care about that. I didn't care about all these 100ish FS 29ers that are in the market because when I demoed a couple I didn't feel that I would try different trails that I already run with my HT.

    If I am to loose the simplicity of ht and the efficiency of it's pedaling I would do it for a totally different riding style and for a bike that allows me to try something else.

    Not for a just another 100ish fs XC wannabe AM or vice versa that do all things but nothing good ( that's my view don't like neutral, do it all, boring bikes)
    That's one reason that I m interesting in this EG concept. Designing an 29er with more than 120mm travel is a challenge.

    From AM bike I would expect lower the saddle from bars for the known reasons and just because its 29er at least the same height. Judging from mine I think there is room to be done with 140mm and still could handles fine, at least up to 180-185cm riders.

    Maybe a slacker STA than usual and curved seat tube angle (?) could help (?) and let the 29er longish cs and wheelbase do the rest in climbing (?)
    Btw,
    Maybe the EG29er are deceiving but did I notice the CG a little more forward than it could be for such kind of bike?

    Finally as I can see it
    Most 29ers hates the word "rise" in bars and stem.
  • 09-05-2012
    brant
    A quick sum gives the frame's "stack" as 618mm

    Stack is the dimension from the BB centre to the TOP of the headtube.

    I'm sure you can work the rest out from there.
  • 09-06-2012
    ocean_29
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    A quick sum gives the frame's "stack" as 618mm

    618 !? a typo?

    That stack can't be on Large model it's too short (imo its too short general) for MTB 29er with 140 fork riders with over 33" inseam won't fit there without at least 12" spacers under the stem to get a MTB position and not tour de France one.
  • 09-06-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ocean_29 View Post
    618 !? a typo?

    That stack can't be on Large model it's too short (imo its too short general) for MTB 29er with 140 fork riders with over 33" inseam won't fit there without at least 12" spacers under the stem to get a MTB position and not tour de France one. With 33,85" inseam I ll have to put all the spacers I have spare....

    It is a typo. I got the BB in the wrong place. It's 590mm.

    This is the vertical distance from the centre of the bottom bracket to the top of the head tube.
  • 09-06-2012
    ocean_29
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    It is a typo. I got the BB in the wrong place. It's 590mm.

    This is the vertical distance from the centre of the bottom bracket to the top of the head tube.

    I know, at least the smallest people will probably have a very stable handling - accurate steering.

    but
    I can't see how the others will manage to fit there maybe with a really slack sta
    We ll see. I'm sure someone with over 33 1/2 inseam had tried it before production.

    It's the shortest stack by far in this category and even comparable to bikes with shorter AC. (of course shorter AC bikes have steeper HTAs but again..)

    Thx brant.
  • 09-06-2012
    brant
    I've put all the numbers into Bikecad and can't work out how SantaCruz get the stack height they do for their frames unless they are measuring to the top of the stem mount on the steerer?

    Change of 1deg on the head angle gives 5mm on the stack.
    Change of 10mm on the headtube gives 8mm on the stack.

    You can work it all out from there.
  • 09-06-2012
    ocean_29
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    I've put all the numbers into Bikecad and can't work out how SantaCruz get the stack height they do for their frames unless they are measuring to the top of the stem mount on the steerer?

    Change of 1deg on the head angle gives 5mm on the stack.
    Change of 10mm on the headtube gives 8mm on the stack.

    You can work it all out from there.

    Yes I can imagine.., I hadn't calculated tho, thx! It seems it works for around 68deg (of course these functions are not linear or independent e.g. the slacker HTA the smaller difference changing the length of ht. At this range the 2nd one is closer to 9mm difference with 540-550 AC, i think..but that's no big deal)

    till now made rough estimations without paper or autocad (dont have bikecad)
    in autocad with a good photo taken exactly from 90 deg (for proportions sake it can be done with a little margin of error)

    irrelevant
    except Santacruz lets see others

    Stumpjumper the EVO one is a good comparable example 68HTA - 140mm fork
    S - 90HTL - 610
    M - 100HTL - 619
    L - 125HTL - 643 lets say - 20 there
    XL -145HTL - 661

    WFO 9 68 HTA 140mm fork 130 HTL
    L - 640 with 100HTL would be about -24 to -26

    Banshee Prime about 68 HTA, but 120mm HTL so to all numbers lets say about -16mm
    M - 635
    L - 635
    XL - 645

    Salsa Horsethief little over 68 HTA 140mm fork 110HTL to all numbers -8 or -9
    S - M - L - 623
    XL 632

    Bandit29 little over 68 HTA 140mm fork
    M (HTL 100) - 628
    L (HTL 110) - 637 - 8 or - 9
    XL (HTL 120) - 646

    the numbers are about of course...we should take into consideration the differences in AC but this is the general picture

    other 29ers more XC ish with shorter fork travel and steeper HTAs
    have a little less stack...but not 590

    thats why EG29 Large for 180-190cm with 590mm surprised me
    I cant be totally sure for how taller people could find an appropriate AM and even trail position there (I really really ...really hope for the opposite,or the different rider's position of EG than that i have in mind for AM /trail works good too...)

    because stack is one piece of puzzle STA (reach) where is the riders CG and some others play their role. Nevertheless some Large models Enduro or convert or similar have 585-600 stack but in 26" wheels with slacker HTAs longer AC etc...we ll see...
    and sry for my english.
  • 09-07-2012
    ocean_29
    Titus EG 29 and Transition Covert 29 are.... brothers!! :D

    [imo]the first will be calm meek and maybe more pedal friendly and his brother
    will be ferocious adventurous more AM and maybe less pedal friendly[/imo]

    identical design approach with major [edit:(major is just guess,imo)] differences in geo values
  • 09-07-2012
    brant
    Is there any Covert 29 geometry around?
  • 09-07-2012
    ocean_29
    why is there any EG29 geo around ? :D

    well I edited my previous post to a more apropriate one
    just guessing that will have the same philosophy of bandit 29 2012

    the best I can find for covert 29 till now is this
    http://www.dynamicbike.ch/mondraker/...13_preview.pdf

    that provide a good photo for Autocad measurements given that lets say the length of fox shock is known or the ISCG-05 distance between 2 holes.

    if they havent major differences in geo ........in november - december ....we will not have just brothers....... but twins!! hehehe

    edit: they state bandit29 in trail category, with longer reach 120mm travel and state that a 130mm replicate the bandit29 12 geometry.

    so imo and as it seems from the photos the covert29 (they put it in AM enduro category)
    it will have even more aggresive geo than bandit29 of 12 because there is no point to have in line 2 models that with a change of a shock they replicates each others
  • 09-07-2012
    Deerhill
    Photo to Autodesk
    Interesting, what lens are you using to count mm in Autodesk?
  • 09-15-2012
    ocean_29
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DeerhillJ View Post
    Interesting, what lens are you using to count mm in Autodesk?

    I have some time to use cad, but if i remember right you have just to insert the photo and give manualy a number to known length, and thats all the others are shown accordingly


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    It is a typo. I got the BB in the wrong place. It's 590mm.
    .

    are you sure that this is the stack with 140mm travel fork?

    and not with a black 100mm reba or something :D
    with 100mm traveled AC length is understood

    with 140mm cant solve the equation
    (without having to put the BB to a place nearly over 35cm which is not bad here in rocky trails )


    even this bike in 16" size with 100mm HTL and 68deg has over 620...
    CUBE*Stereo Super HPC 140 SLT

    perhaps other companies give sagged ? measures for the stack.....
  • 09-19-2012
    greenblur
    Will this be US or Asia manufactured?
  • 09-20-2012
    terrible
    Asian I would say. Other than the aluminum ftm and rockstar everything else is Asian. Would be nice to see them built here but I really doubt it happens. At this point is be happy to see any thing new on them.
  • 09-20-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Asian I would say. Other than the aluminum ftm and rockstar everything else is Asian. Would be nice to see them built here but I really doubt it happens. At this point is be happy to see any thing new on them.

    The alloy El Guapo model has always been manufactured at Kinesis in Taiwan.
  • 09-27-2012
    Marky
    I read on twitter that the 29 El Guapo is in production. Is the EUR price already known?
  • 10-15-2012
    kevinboyer
    Just a couple of questions in regards to the new El Guapo 29er...

    Any word on availability?

    Color choices?

    Pricing?

    Will a 140mm front fork be ok?
  • 10-15-2012
    terrible
    Quote:

    Any word on availability?

    Color choices?

    Pricing?

    Will a 140mm front fork be ok?
    NO

    Minimal

    High

    Sure.

    These are all just gues's and I hope Brant comes in to answer for real.
  • 10-16-2012
    kevinboyer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    NO

    Minimal

    High

    Sure.

    These are all just gues's and I hope Brant comes in to answer for real.


    Just received this email reply from Brandon at Titus....


    "Kevin,

    I have no information about the EG29er yet."

    Thanks.
    Brandon
  • 11-08-2012
    ansman
    Is there any news about the El guapo 29"?
  • 11-08-2012
    terrible
    I could really use one right now!
  • 11-21-2012
    Yorkshirepadd
    EG29 has taken too long and I've lost interest in it.

    Happy my my EG v2 with Slack set.
    Will probably look to get a Yt Industries bike next as their mad value.
  • 11-21-2012
    jdcatnau
    I can't even remember how much travel the el guapo 29" was supposed to have any more? Was it a 140 mm fork?
  • 11-21-2012
    brant
    140mm front, 140mm rear (actually 138, 140 and 142mm depending on size), 142mm back end using Shimano E-thru standard with our axle supplied, will work with new Shimano rear mech hanger style (available), mixer tapered headtube with 12mm upper bore, new cable routing on downtube and chainstay for rear mech and rear brake, FD over top tube (doubles as dropper guide), 25mm BB drop static, 68deg head angle, 580mm, 600mm and 625mm top tubes and 700mm, 720mm and 745mm front centre on the 16, 18, 20in models, 458mm chainstay, 190mm x 50mm shock, 73deg seat angle (actual) gives 74.5deg (effective).
    Front centre is LONG and designed for stability and lack of flop and for use with short stem (we have a 35mm model coming). Colours black (ano), white (painted), super-raw (ano).
    Completes at the factory on the 7th of January 2013.
  • 11-21-2012
    yeahdog31
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    142mm back end using Shimano E-thru standard with our axle supplied, will work with new Shimano rear mech hanger style (available).

    Too bad I can't use the 10x135 wheels I already have...
    Also, what is the story with Sram rear derailleur compatibility with this system?
  • 11-21-2012
    craigstr
    Thanks for the info Brant....any idea on approximate frame weight?
  • 11-21-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by yeahdog31 View Post
    Too bad I can't use the 10x135 wheels I already have...

    hmm

    Most decent quality hubs can be swapped out of changed. Otherwise, BONUS - you have an excuse for a new wheelset.

    That said I am drawing in my head a set of converters that any machine shop could make up to make 135mm wheels work in there.

    It's not hard.
  • 11-21-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by yeahdog31 View Post
    Also, what is the story with Sram rear derailleur compatibility with this system?

    Will ship with a standard (SRAM and normal Shimano) hanger.

    Funky new Shimano hanger will be an option.

    Maybe they might even ship with both if I do something wrong.
  • 11-21-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Thanks for the info Brant....any idea on approximate frame weight?

    It will weigh what it weighs. I am not entirely sure what that is.
  • 11-21-2012
    jdcatnau
    Thanks for all the info Brant!
  • 11-23-2012
    ocean_29
    To bike industry .. : p

    Hope sells 2 little plastic (?) adapters for QR/15mm/20mm front for 22 euros

    Someone should take the chance and give us some overpriced Shimano like 135 qr to 142x12 adapters.

    e.g. Me, hehe, I paid around 400 euros
    For flows laced on hope 20mm front and shimano 529 rear.

    1. If I want a new similar wheel set with 142x12 back I ll need at least 650euros (all x 12 rear are currently expensive)

    2. If I just replace the rear hub I ll currently need at least 200 euros (hub rims build)

    3.if there was a little adapter I would pay for it... Do your maths, with no hussle of re build.

    Golden opportunity here, and don't be late because in a couple of years someone big (shimano ?) will sell cheaper 142x12 hubs.

    hehehe
  • 11-23-2012
    brant
  • 11-23-2012
    Smiff
    was surprised to read somewhere this frame may only cost 100 more than 26 EG.

    edit: that person was wrong apparently, see below!

    was expecting it to be a grand. got to factor in new wheels and fork for most of us though..

    and just got this month's Dirt today, nice article, will read properly later. i've also been in Dirt but the less said about that the better..

    my only Q about Guapo 29 is why you aren't giving it a new name as it sounds like a new bike (does it have same curvy shapes as the 26er?).. El Majo or El Lindo or something. but check with someone with better Spanish than mine :p (could be connotations i'm not getting hehe.)

    edit: or even El Alto (The Tall One) or El Grande (the Big One), if you want to keep it simple! since Alto doesn't seem to be taken, seems a place on the off-road cycling map in south america (near La Paz), and is a nice sly reference to certain other brand that rhymes with.. Banta Kews Wall-boy?
  • 11-29-2012
    Jameswr
    Any idea on Pricing for the frame? What rear shock will it be spec'd with?
  • 11-29-2012
    brant
    Rear shock will be CCDB Air.

    Price TBC. Hope to keep it competitive. Of course you're getting 142 and a rear axle with this. New tooling. We'll see. Certainly the best value 140mm 29er out there. No question.

    What else is there we should be comparing to?
  • 11-29-2012
    craigstr
    Giant Trance X 29, Transition Bandit 29, Kona Satori, Banshee Prime, maybe the Specialized Stumpy Evo?
  • 11-29-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Giant Trance X 29, Transition Bandit 29, Kona Satori, Banshee Prime, maybe the Specialized Stumpy Evo?

    Pricing?
  • 11-29-2012
    Jameswr
    Thank you Brant. I am very excited. We have 4 El Guapos in the famiy. We ride them hard, and love them! In my mind it is the best all-mountain bike available at a value that can't come close to being beat by any manufacturer. I am very excited to try the 29 inch version and potentially even replace my 26 inch El Guapo as my go-to, do-it-all bike. I have no doubt that the price will not only be competetive, but unmatched. Just trying to measure how many pennies I will need to save.

    The only other bike I have really compared the El Guapo 29 to is the Transition Covert 29er, with 140mm rear wheel travel and a price of $1,700 USD (shock included). Given the two at the same price (although I expect the Titus to cost less), I would choose the Titus every time. I believe that it will be lighter, perform/ride better, and look better. Not to mention the exceptional customer service.

    In August of this year I had the opportunity to visit the Titus location in Portland, OR with my brother and cousin on a bike trip. It was fun to meet the staff there, and show off our three different El Guapo builds. The staff was very friendly and exceptionally helpful.

    Thanks for all you do!
  • 11-29-2012
    craigstr
    Frame/shock in the $1500 range, complete bikes in the low $3000's.
  • 11-30-2012
    Smiff
    ah so whoever said it was 699 (Monarch) was talking bollocks. no monarch option at all. don't believe everything you read on STW.
  • 11-30-2012
    craigstr
    Not the price...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Frame/shock in the $1500 range, complete bikes in the low $3000's.

    I was just answering Brant's question about prices of other 29" bikes in a similar category.
  • 11-30-2012
    yeahdog31
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Giant Trance X 29, Transition Bandit 29, Kona Satori, Banshee Prime, maybe the Specialized Stumpy Evo?

    I might include Santa Cruz Tallboy LT (aluminum) in that list.
  • 12-03-2012
    b45her
    don't believe anything you hear on STW, just a bunch of audi boys that do laps of the local park on their ibis mojo's and single speeded, drop barred, fat bikes.
  • 12-03-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Serious question about completes!

    Can the suspension spec be a little more balanced than it is on the current 26er El Guapo X9? There's something blasphemous about having a CCDBa at one end, a Lyrik R at the other.

    A Monarch RT3 and Rev RLT would be a good fit, if more expensive overall than CCDB/R. There's even a 140mm 29in Sektor RL on the way. That would be masses better balanced than the EG X9's set up.
  • 12-03-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Serious question about completes!

    Can the suspension spec be a little more balanced than it is on the current 26er El Guapo X9? There's something blasphemous about having a CCDBa at one end, a Lyrik R at the other.

    A Monarch RT3 and Rev RLT would be a good fit, if more expensive overall than CCDB/R. There's even a 140mm 29in Sektor RL on the way. That would be masses better balanced than the EG X9's set up.

    No Lyrik 29!

    Shocks will be CCDB Air though.
  • 12-03-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    No Lyrik 29!

    Shocks will be CCDB Air though.

    That's not what I said!

    I suggested the Rev rlt or new Sektor RL29 for the front, I know there is no Lyrik 29.

    The point I was trying to get across is that balancing a bike with a CCDB at one end and a dive-tastic R-spec fork is rubbish, better balance in dampers would be worth another 100 on the price.
  • 12-03-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    That's not what I said!

    I suggested the Rev rlt or new Sektor RL29 for the front, I know there is no Lyrik 29.

    The point I was trying to get across is that balancing a bike with a CCDB at one end and a dive-tastic R-spec fork is rubbish, better balance in dampers would be worth another 100 on the price.

    Gotcha.
  • 12-03-2012
    Jameswr
    Brant, is the first batch of frames going to be done 7 Jan. 2013? or starting the batch? Thanks.
  • 12-03-2012
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jameswr View Post
    Brant, is the first batch of frames going to be done 7 Jan. 2013? or starting the batch? Thanks.


    batch completes in taiwan on that day. Painted.
  • 12-03-2012
    Jameswr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    batch completes in taiwan on that day. Painted.

    Sweet!
  • 01-06-2013
    bobodaclown
    excited to see these, kind of fancy a long travel 29er. Have longingly looked at the Niner WFO but can't come up with the pennies for it. Hopefully this sits close to the cost of the standard 26 EG as that would be a no brainer to get one.

    Would hen have to worry about the forks for it. yikes
  • 01-16-2013
    zonoskar
    I'm in the market for a long travel 29er. An because I owned a RacerX, Titus is high on my list. But the geometry spec has me puzzled. Brant mentions super long top tubes, but the 18" has 600mm. I ride a large (18.5") Rocky Mountain Element 29 and its top tube is 605mm and I use a 100mm stem. Based on that, I would have to go with the 625mm TT version of the El Guapo. Or am I missing something? I'm 6' tall.

    Also, the Titus website needs to be updated, I couldn't find geometry data for this bike on the site. Only in this post. And we need more color options :) although the raw would be awesome.
  • 01-16-2013
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zonoskar View Post
    I'm in the market for a long travel 29er. An because I owned a RacerX, Titus is high on my list. But the geometry spec has me puzzled. Brant mentions super long top tubes, but the 18" has 600mm. I ride a large (18.5") Rocky Mountain Element 29 and its top tube is 605mm and I use a 100mm stem. Based on that, I would have to go with the 625mm TT version of the El Guapo. Or am I missing something? I'm 6' tall.

    Also, the Titus website needs to be updated, I couldn't find geometry data for this bike on the site. Only in this post. And we need more color options :) although the raw would be awesome.

    Ah - maybe it's not so long then... Though that is on a 74.5deg seat angle - so the reach is quite long.
  • 01-24-2013
    titusquasi
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Ah - maybe it's not so long then... Though that is on a 74.5deg seat angle - so the reach is quite long.

    I like using Reach and Stack to size from bike to bike. Do you have a Reach number for the largest EG 29 size? Thanks for any assistance.
  • 01-25-2013
    Deerhill
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brant View Post
    that is on a 74.5deg seat angle

    Interesting
  • 01-25-2013
    ansman
    Is the rear hub 142X12?
  • 01-25-2013
    ocean_29
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ansman View Post
    Is the rear hub 142X12?

    Yes, and unfortunately there s no option for 135...
  • 02-01-2013
    Velveeta
    Titanic fail... Titus hasn't come up with anything newsworthy other than a production delay since 2010... El Guapo 29? You mean the M23? It's been 3 YEARS. Come on guys... give up already.
  • 02-09-2013
    Jameswr
    I am so excited for the El Guapo 29! Any more information about rear shock? DSP, or CCDB air?
  • 02-11-2013
    budgie
    beard adds mystery...
    Somehow it has morphed into an On One and seems to be called the Codeine? Same bike or different-er? Those lads appear to have been sampling leftovers from the medicine cabinet again. Or, maybe it's just a long winter up north...

    Codeine. Proto on-one 29er FS Shed Fire : Designing for On-One, Titus and Planet X from Calderdale.
  • 02-11-2013
    Deerhill
    No seat tube brace?
    No HL.. Kind of looks like a frame mentioned earlier in the thread
  • 02-12-2013
    Fix the Spade
    Now that's a nice looking frame.

    #Edit.
    Five in travel, short stays and 67deg head angle... want, want very much.
  • 02-12-2013
    terrible
    With the clusterfck over the last version of the 26" EG it's probably not a bad idea to kill the name.
  • 02-13-2013
    brant
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by budgie View Post
    Somehow it has morphed into an On One and seems to be called the Codeine? Same bike or different-er? Those lads appear to have been sampling leftovers from the medicine cabinet again. Or, maybe it's just a long winter up north...

    Codeine. Proto on-one 29er FS Shed Fire : Designing for On-One, Titus and Planet X from Calderdale.

    Codeine is an on-one project. It's not a replacement for the EG29
  • 02-13-2013
    Smiff
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    With the clusterfck over the last version of the 26" EG it's probably not a bad idea to kill the name.

    changed my mind about this, the EG29 looks just like the 26 frame, so it makes sense. wonder if the back end will be too flexible. one thing with the EG design is the seatstay attachment ends up far forward, not sure if EG29 uses same rocker, but they could make the mount wider.



    lovely mood lighting brant, hope you don't do all your engineering in the dark :p
  • 02-13-2013
    Deerhill
    hmm, am I seeing ISCG tabs?
  • 02-13-2013
    terrible
    And maybe 142 axle......