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    El Guapo 29er

    I read there was an EG 29er at the Planet X booth at the London Bike Show. Did anyone see it or get pics?
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    Wondering the same thing as brant has teased at it and then saw confirmation on the On-One website press release for the London Bike Show....
    Would be interested in this as an AM 29er running 120mm+ front end.
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    Now that would be worth talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rearviewmirror View Post
    I read there was an EG 29er at the Planet X booth at the London Bike Show. Did anyone see it or get pics?
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    This bike looks like a winner but why go down to 120mm of travel?

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    Yeah, 130 or 140mm rear travel would be AM, not 120. That color scheme is fun & ghey.

    BB Height? too low is the norm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    This bike looks like a winner but why go down to 120mm of travel?
    Not a designer or anything, but I think geometry gets tricky when you start moving a 29 inch wheel around in the rear. Notice they had to put some curvature on the seat tube in order to accommodate the larger wheel? I'm sure going to 130 or great presents even more challenges.

    Anyway, I'm sure there's a designer on the board that can put it in terms that I can't understand.

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    Rocker looks close to the shock

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    So is there any more info on the 29'r ?
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    Rear travel on the sample is 133mm, but chain stay length is 471mm.

    Now we've got a proper metal bike, we can have a play with tyres, full travel, and monkey things about until we get what we're after.

    This is an "old titus" bike, that we're rolling forwards with. It's running a 200x51 shock right now.

    So lots to change (I think a 200x57 will work and give 145mm travel), but those chain stays need to come in at least 10mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Rear travel on the sample is 133mm, but chain stay length is 471mm.

    Now we've got a proper metal bike, we can have a play with tyres, full travel, and monkey things about until we get what we're after.

    This is an "old titus" bike, that we're rolling forwards with. It's running a 200x51 shock right now.

    So lots to change (I think a 200x57 will work and give 145mm travel), but those chain stays need to come in at least 10mm.
    Have you guys given any thought to doing a long travel (150mm to 160mm) EG 650b? That would kick ass!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Mailloux View Post
    Have you guys given any thought to doing a long travel (150mm to 160mm) EG 650b? That would kick ass!!!!
    If I can find some wheels and tyres I will throw them in my regular El G 26 and see how it rolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    If I can find some wheels and tyres I will throw them in my regular El G 26 and see how it rolls.
    I don't think there enough room to fit 650b in the rear of an EG 26r.

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    Just measured, 2010 has a hair over 13.75" from axle, and that seems just enough for a 2.1 17.5

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    Think the 36 can fit a 2.35 17.5

    someone has posted seat tube rub w/ a 26 2.4 RR though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    If I can find some wheels and tyres I will throw them in my regular El G 26 and see how it rolls.
    I have fit a 650Bx2.35 in the EG. ~2mm of tire clearance on the top and sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I have fit a 650Bx2.35 in the EG. ~2mm of tire clearance on the top and sides.
    2mm is probably a little too close for comfort.

    sooner or later, someone on here will try a 650b rear wheel in a current model EG, maybe with a smaller tire (~2.2), reduce the stroke on the shock (down to ~2.25") to stop the tire hitting the seat tube, and slap one of those new fox 140mm 29er forks with a 29" wheel on the front....... not me though.

    I'd be interested to see what the geo came out like. The BB would certainly be higher, but I'm not sure about the front end. Dunno if it would end up slacker or steeper. Maybe the latter... so slap a angleset/slackset on there, and have the steep ST for climbing and the slack HT for descending..

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    I love my 26" EG, but I've also been riding my Giant Anthem X29er lately on the less technical trails. The only problem is that the frame is a damn noodle, and that 100mm travel ramps up way to quickly. I think a 130mm EG 29er with a 140mm fork with through-axles front and rear would be spot on. Hope they build a frame that's as stiff as the 26er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I have fit a 650Bx2.35 in the EG. ~2mm of tire clearance on the top and sides.
    Would be interested to know which 2.35 that that be? Obviously tire height (including knobs) would be the biggest factor... Thx

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    WANT REAR 650b 2.4 TRAIL KING

    Only limiting factor is CS clearance. Where is our 650b retro-fits ?!?!!

    Old el Guapo slack seat tube angle has enough clearance at full travel for the largest 650b tires.. and new EG has steeper seat tube angle

    The 650b 2.4 Wild grip'r beefy version has nice size too

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    Have less than 12mm clearance now on the rear with regular 26" running 2.35 Hans dampf and 2.4 DhF. Even lesser with previous 2.4 Ardents which were taller tires.. Given that 650b hoops are actually 27" (not 27.5"-- correct me if I'm wrong) and assuming tire height of the equivalent 650b of any of these tires -- there just won't be enuf clearance no matter how i calculate it. Would be easy if I just have some spare 27.5b wheels around and throw it on for sizing. Unfortunately I don't ;(

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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    Have less than 12mm clearance now on the rear with regular 26" running 2.35 Hans dampf and 2.4 DhF. Even lesser with previous 2.4 Ardents which were taller tires.. Given that 650b hoops are actually 27" (not 27.5"-- correct me if I'm wrong) and assuming tire height of the equivalent 650b of any of these tires -- there just won't be enuf clearance no matter how i calculate it. Would be easy if I just have some spare 27.5b wheels around and throw it on for sizing. Unfortunately I don't ;(
    650B rims are exactly 25mm larger diameter than 26" rims. 12.5mm radius. I have tried to fit a 650B x 2.3" tire in a 26" EG. Does not clear the chainstay. At all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    Even lesser with previous 2.4 Ardents which were taller tires..
    2.4 TK tall as I dare go in our dry. Those Ardents taller?
    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    Given that 650b hoops are actually 27" (not 27.5"-- correct me if I'm wrong) and assuming tire height of the equivalent 650b of any of these tires -- there just won't be enuf clearance no matter how i calculate it. Would be easy if I just have some spare 27.5b wheels around and throw it on for sizing. Unfortunately I don't ;(

    Wish I had something to try, I do know that the 27.5 2.35 tire volumes are not as big compared to their same 26 2.35 models when both on a 25mm inner rim ( HD and grip'r). Here's 2.2 El Guapo Ti 650b

    Forgot about that thread... wonder how much more cs clearance 8.25" shock would provide.. seat tube/tire on large doesn't seem to be an issue.. think it's time to size a new chain

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    8mm max clearance on the Ardents with 30mm Spank rims.. maybe 2 mm less for the TK 2.4 (no pics as I change out those after 2 rides, not my kind of rubbers)

    After all the thoughts on 27.5 and speaking to a number of ppl having ridden one.. I am not inclined to go change my fleet out to this new wheel size. If I end up getting one-- its because its a well rounded bike that just so happen to be a 27.5. Speaking of which this one...as a trail bike, hmmm

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