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    ebay purchased motolite - is this frame damage????

    I had no knowledge of these flaws before I bid, or else I definitely would not have. Seller said frame had no flaws at all, then I see this:


    http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/9919/cimg0148.jpg
    http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7271/cimg01500.jpg
    http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4374/cimg0151dx.jpg
    http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1457/cimg0152vn.jpg
    (seller applied touch up paint there, among other areas on the frame that were just paint chips)

    Seller now claims that the top pull front derailleur housing cable rubbed the frame and caused what you see there.
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    looks like it's just paint, i think you're fine.

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    Does not look bad, but I sure would be annoyed. There is no excuse for cable rub damage.

    Dude. 6.7 million posts per day. How do you manage?
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    Looks cosmetic, kind of sucks if you didn't know about it. The pearl on those is pretty sweet.

    The thing to watch out for with that frame is the seat stay brace. Some of the RP2s allowed too much travel and the brace can contact the seat tube if you bottom it out good. You would be able to tell from a mark on the brace and the seat tube where the cable gets crushed.

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    It does look a bit odd, can't imagine how cable rub would cause wear in that location. I don't think there should be any wear in that area, if so they were using the wrong components. It doesn't look like much to worry about, but at the same time I wouldn't be too happy either. I would say you are entitled to request a refund, and if denied file a claim with ebay/paypal and say the item was misrepresented. Either that or request a partial refund, which many times they are willing to do to avoid the hassle of a return/relist.

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    It doesn't look crack, definitely just rub. But the front derailleur cable couldn't cause it, just look at the cable guide above the crack on the last picture, doesn't make sense. Strange for sure, but it doesn't look serious, you should be fine IMO.
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    Here are more pictures. see picture number 4. That shows how thick the paint is. The wear on the seatstay is MUCH deeper and MUCH more serious than cosmetic.

    (see how the weld is worn down in an oval shape? and see how the rounded edge of the seatstay is worn down severely when compared to the other side?)

    http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2238/cimg0160a.jpg
    http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9854/cimg0162.jpg
    http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3683/cimg01650.jpg
    http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7567/cimg01690.jpg
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    I don't think that chainslap is a big deal but that cable rub on the seat stay is not good. That's quite deep into the tube. Send it back. If need be, sick PayPal and your credit card company on them.
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    Just the fact that the seller didn't mention this or post pics of the damage is a red flag. For the most part cable rub wont be a big deal for any of us buying a bike. If that was the case why didn't he let u know ahead of time? Just my $.02

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    Here is a closeup of the seatstay. This is what I was really alarmed at.

    http://img808.imageshack.us/f/titusm...eatstaycl.png/

    Your thoughts??

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    It's nearly impossible for anyone looking at pictures on the internet to determine if something is going to be a problem or not for sure.

    You are clearly very concerned, why not just send it back if only for peace of mind.

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    I'm with Sali. You don't seem happy with the frame. If you are not gonna be 100% pleased and confident on the frame then return it. Seller should have been upfront about the frame condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhfox
    Here is a closeup of the seatstay. This is what I was really alarmed at.

    http://img808.imageshack.us/f/titusm...eatstaycl.png/

    Your thoughts??


    This looks bad. I am with the others. Send it back and get an FTM frame for 800 or so.
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    Thank you for your advice. Now ebay is handling the situation.

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    Bummer dude m2cw-If the person that owned this before either to lazy or stupid to prevent this damage what else did he ignore.

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    we need more photos

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    we need more photos
    It's plainly evident there is a couple mm of metal removed from that cable rub. Something like that should have been disclosed by the seller. Therefore, it's not surprising the buyer has an issue. It has been recommended that they go through the channels to return the frame and it's sounds like that's happened. So why do you asking for more pics?
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    Wow! Looks like someone hit that with a grinder. Very suspicious. Maybe there was a crack in the paint and it was ground down to determine if it was paint or metal. I can't imagine that much damage from cable rub. Glad to hear you're returning it. That's f-d up that a fellow biker would sell something like that w/o warning you.

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    That would piss me of, heavily.

    Very strange damage.


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    I agree that this almost looks intentional - like they were trying to see if the frame had a crack in it. Although cables can rub into the frame pretty quick. Not sure how they make V shaped gouges though?

    The seller definately knew this would be an issue and chose not to disclose it if you ask me. Grade A low rent move on his part.
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    How much is a Motolite frame worth these days? I'm thinking about putting mine on eBay, but if it's to get only $300, I might as well keep it for my kid when he grows up.
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    No good

    Looks a little shady to me. I would return it just cause the dude wasnt being honest or upfront.
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    I don't see any way that much material could be removed from cable rub, looks like he took a dremmel to it to make clearance.

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    I think the frame looks to be in good condition, but the issue remains that the seller misrepresented the item. I would ask for $200 back, or you're going to start a case with eBay for a full refund and return shipping on the seller's dime. That should be enough incentive to get a bit of your cash back, still have a good frame, and feel good about your purchase.
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