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    New question here. Clydsdale on a Motolite?



    I am in the process of moving to VA and am wanting to get back into MTBing. After reading a lot of forums/magazines/internet reviews, etc., one of my top choices is a Titus Motolite...was thinking of getting the 07 complete bike kit.

    Is that a good choice for a Clydsdale that has been out of biking for 25 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyber_hawke


    I am in the process of moving to VA and am wanting to get back into MTBing. After reading a lot of forums/magazines/internet reviews, etc., one of my top choices is a Titus Motolite...was thinking of getting the 07 complete bike kit.

    Is that a good choice for a Clydsdale that has been out of biking for 25 years?
    I weigh 226 but I was 235 when I got my Motolite in February. The RP23 feels great. I have a Talas RL on the front which I also like. I have the RP23 set at the recommended 25% and I only manage to bottom it out on 2+ foot drops to flat. I really depends on your expectations of durability, riding style and weight. My wife has a 2007 complete. The wheels are quite beefy and I think that you would be fine with most of the components but I would suggest immediately upgrading the stem and possibly the headset. They are fine for the light guys but I would not trust them for a clyde. Once you get a taste of Titus goodness, you will be riding so much that you won't remain a Clyde for long

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    i'm 230. no probs with my large ML. but keep in mind that the small and Xsmall MLs are very different from the Med and Large ML. unlike most manufactures, titus changes the suspension of the smaller bikes to be compatible with lighter riders. the large/med has a 2 inch stroke shox and the smalls have a 1.5 inch stroke shock. this changes the leverage ratio. low leverage for the heavy guys high leverage for the lighter riders. all part of why titus is a cut above.

    soo the med and large are a great choice for a heavy guy. but if you are short and a clyde its best to avoid the small MLs.

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    I am 240lbs ride weight and my large ML handles that just fine. The thing I will point out is that if you are a taller clyde you might want to try before you buy. I LOVE the suspension on my MotoLite. It is smooth and soaks up a lot of bumps. I did however find that the geometry of this bike was just not for me (75" tall 35" inseam). In order to be comfortable I need a setback post and a 120mm stem. This led to all kinds of issues for me, especially on steep climbs. I tried for about 1500 miles of riding to set the bike up where it worked for me but to no avail. I recently switched to another frame and could not be happier.

    My point is not to bash the ML but to point out that you need to consider much more than your weight. You may have already done that but your OP does not mention it. At this point I am sure there will be a legion of posters taller and heavier than me saying the issue is me and not the ML. Bottom line is -- If the ML fits your body type overall then I would argue that there are not many if any better bikes out there but they are of course not for everyone.

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    I'm 220 on a medium Moto Lite

    I find the frame stiff. Moto Lite is a great choice

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    if you would be on a small frame or less the leverage ratio is greater than for the medium or large frame...

    so if you get a small the RP23 may not be enough...

    just something to consider...

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    Actually, I am 5'9" and weigh around 260lbs. I need to get the gut off as that is where most of the beer and pizza found a home. I guess that a medium frame is what I need, can you make any changes in the suspension? The only place that I have found that handles TITUS is competition bikes. Any suggestions where I might look?

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    Then I would say ML =
    Also I would contact Biker Bob before you buy anything, you can find him here on the forum
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    bikerbob.com call or email Bob

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    I'm 5'8 on a medium with 30" inseam. I'm happy as All Mountain in a Pizza Pie !~!

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    where to get your MotoLite

    Hey Big Guy !

    I give the thumbs up to Bikerbob - hell look after you and might even swap some bits around from a ML complete to suit you better.

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    one thing to consider.... this is just general advice.

    but maybe you should focus on finding the right bike shop, then see what they can get you in regards to a bike. its actually kinda hard to find the right shop. good shops are few and far between. and you might not find the best deal, but the right shop can really help you in this transition period. the important thing is that you go ride.

    and this is how you know you found the right shop....

    the right shop will know the local trails, they will have group rides. they will be doing trail maintinace, they will let you sign up for trail maintinace or tell you where you can sign up. I highly recomend trail maintinace. get out there with a shovel and burn some calories.


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    i got run over by a car on my mountain bike about 12 years ago. stopped riding for 8 years after that.

    I was lucky and guys I worked with were really into mountain bikes and took me under their wing. helped me back to the good life , so they knew the trails, they had the experience to keep me on the right path. so a good bike shop was not needed. but I was lucky.

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    I'm 220 buck naked...

    ... (sorry for that mental image) and probably 250 with all my gear on. Having a blast on my Med ML.

    Dang, I never knew that this forum was so full of super-sized ML riders...

    Mass x Gravity = SPEED!

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    Inseam length

    Oh, I didn't mention that my inseam length is a 28 1/2, the last bike fit that I did (on the internet) said the ideal standover height shold be 26.8 to 27.3...I noticed that the medium is 28.5.....is that really a problem, or am I just going to have a tight fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyber_hawke
    Oh, I didn't mention that my inseam length is a 28 1/2, the last bike fit that I did (on the internet) said the ideal standover height shold be 26.8 to 27.3...I noticed that the medium is 28.5.....is that really a problem, or am I just going to have a tight fit?
    you may already know this.... bike inseams are measured right up nice and cosy all the way to the floor... and even more realistic with your favourite bike shoes on. The Moto Lite has one of the lower standovers per frame size in the industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusbro
    ... (sorry for that mental image) and probably 250 with all my gear on. Having a blast on my Med ML.

    Dang, I never knew that this forum was so full of super-sized ML riders...

    Mass x Gravity = SPEED!

    RHRF! (Ride Hard, Ride Fat!)??
    Ride Hard, Ride Fat

    30 pounds of gear ... impressive.

    Ride Heavy, Ride Fast

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    Hooked up with Bike Bob

    Well, thanks for the advice. I have hooked up with Biker Bob and he is putting together a Titus Motolite set up for a clydsdale. He really is knowledgeable about Titus and MTB in general and seems to be asking all the right questions. So thanks again and when I hear back from him, I will post his suggestions and see what you all think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyber_hawke
    Well, thanks for the advice. I have hooked up with Biker Bob and he is putting together a Titus Motolite set up for a clydsdale. He really is knowledgeable about Titus and MTB in general and seems to be asking all the right questions. So thanks again and when I hear back from him, I will post his suggestions and see what you all think.

    "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ---WOW---WHAT A RIDE!!!"
    Congratulations cyber_hawke

    Can't wait to see the Biker Bob creation... there are always a treat .

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    I am also looking at a motolite, coming off a medium Intense 5.5. I am 200 lbs. 29 inch inseam and 5' 10"tall. The Intense just seemed to big soooo a small or medium motolite is next, I am leaning towards a small but the mention of shock length has me concerned. Any info on this topic would be awesome!!! Thanks, Rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleR
    I am also looking at a motolite, coming off a medium Intense 5.5. I am 200 lbs. 29 inch inseam and 5' 10"tall. The Intense just seemed to big soooo a small or medium motolite is next, I am leaning towards a small but the mention of shock length has me concerned. Any info on this topic would be awesome!!! Thanks, Rich
    A medium is recommended for the top tube length as you must have a long torso.

    What is the distance from the centre of the bottom bracket to your seat rails on the 5.5 ?~? I'm 5'8 on a medium and my distance is 643 mm (25.3") which is 19.25" seat tube plus a touch over 6" from top of seat tube to centre of seat rails.

    Basically with a Thomson Elite post I can drop it 5" ....

    or custom Exogrid

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    you guys think a coil-over is better for a heavy rider?

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    Biker Bob

    Dont know if this helps, but Biker Bob did tell me that the Motolite Kit comes with a suspension that is rated at over 300lbs.

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    Joint Strike Force Motolite

    Just to clarify-the RP2 on the rear of the Motolite is rated up to 300#, so 260 is within spec.
    This is an interesting project because the bike has to suit Cyber Hawke at his current weight and shape, and in the future. I think his goal is to fit in the cockpit of the new F35 fighter he's working on, as well as tackle tougher, longer trails.
    Working within the parameters of age, weight, and budget, I'm starting with a Motolite Complete, upgrading to Talas RLC in front, RP23 in back, and XT Rhynolite wheels.
    Saddle, grips, and tires to be determined.
    I know many people have suggestions, so feel free. Keep in mind that this bike is made to get the rider back in the game and back in shape. Not racing or freeriding just yet.

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    Is the RP23 rate at 300 PSI or for a 300 Lb rider?

    I have a large ML complete with the RP23 and weigh 230 lbs + gear and run the shock at 180 PSI to get the 20% sag (and it rides nice).

    PS - Biker Bob I am loving the bike I bought from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbob.com
    Just to clarify-the RP2 on the rear of the Motolite is rated up to 300#, so 260 is within spec.
    This is an interesting project because the bike has to suit Cyber Hawke at his current weight and shape, and in the future. I think his goal is to fit in the cockpit of the new F35 fighter he's working on, as well as tackle tougher, longer trails.
    Working within the parameters of age, weight, and budget, I'm starting with a Motolite Complete, upgrading to Talas RLC in front, RP23 in back, and XT Rhynolite wheels.
    Saddle, grips, and tires to be determined.
    I know many people have suggestions, so feel free. Keep in mind that this bike is made to get the rider back in the game and back in shape. Not racing or freeriding just yet.
    Bikerbob, is the RP23 better that much better than the RP2? I demoed a ML complete last weekend and came away really disappointed - I really wanted the ML! The bike just felt harsh and rough. The bike was medium - I am 6'1 with a 34 inch inseam - so I might have been better off on a large.

    So, would a better shock have helped the ride? The bike shop put 170 lbs of air in the shock, and by the ML database here, should be in the ballpark for my weight (~195 lbs).

    Should I try another demo?

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    good call on the rhynolite's... Bikerbob knows his crap, and you will most certainly be in good hands. I reccommend the XT hollowtech cranks for Clydes- my 240lb dad has hammered his for about two years now without any serious issues.

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    Anand

    I am also 6'1 and 34" inseam and found that the large was a better fit for me than the med (there are several threads on the sizing of the motolite).

    I weigh 230 + gear and found that 175 - 180 in the RP23 was good for me. I stated with the shock at a higher pressure and the ride was harsh but when I lowered the pressure it made a big difference. Most all on this forum say that 1/2" sag is good for the rear shock and that is what I am running.

    I have also noticed that with the pro-pedal on level 1 the sag is a little less (while moving) than when I turn the pro-pedal off (due to compression damping). The pro-pedal does take a little of the plush feeling away when it is on, but the tradoff is less bob when peddalling.

    I think you should re-try tthe MotoLite with less air in the shock for your weight and see how that feels.

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    300psi

    Quote Originally Posted by chet3
    Is the RP23 rate at 300 PSI or for a 300 Lb rider?

    I have a large ML complete with the RP23 and weigh 230 lbs + gear and run the shock at 180 PSI to get the 20% sag (and it rides nice).

    PS - Biker Bob I am loving the bike I bought from you.
    That's 300psi.
    Glad you like your ride. It's great for me to deal with such a popular bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anand
    Bikerbob, is the RP23 better that much better than the RP2? I demoed a ML complete last weekend and came away really disappointed - I really wanted the ML! The bike just felt harsh and rough. The bike was medium - I am 6'1 with a 34 inch inseam - so I might have been better off on a large.

    So, would a better shock have helped the ride? The bike shop put 170 lbs of air in the shock, and by the ML database here, should be in the ballpark for my weight (~195 lbs).

    Should I try another demo?
    I don't think the RP23 vs RP2 will make the difference as much as setting the sag and rebound to suit you. Also, frame size, stem and bar length, saddle, tires and pressure, trail conditions will affect your experience.
    You should ride a large Motolite that has been tuned to your weight and height.Ride it with Propedal off as well as on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chet3
    Anand

    I am also 6'1 and 34" inseam and found that the large was a better fit for me than the med (there are several threads on the sizing of the motolite).

    I weigh 230 + gear and found that 175 - 180 in the RP23 was good for me. I stated with the shock at a higher pressure and the ride was harsh but when I lowered the pressure it made a big difference. Most all on this forum say that 1/2" sag is good for the rear shock and that is what I am running.

    I have also noticed that with the pro-pedal on level 1 the sag is a little less (while moving) than when I turn the pro-pedal off (due to compression damping). The pro-pedal does take a little of the plush feeling away when it is on, but the tradoff is less bob when peddalling.

    I think you should re-try tthe MotoLite with less air in the shock for your weight and see how that feels.
    Thanks chet3, I will do that. The ML is a beautiful bike and felt really, really fast. I am going to give it another shot to see how it feels.

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    30 pounds ...

    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain

    30 pounds of gear ... impressive.
    I've seen Titusbro's Camelback....10 of the 30lbs is Chamois Butt'r....
    "I've got nothing to hoard...."

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    " I think I'll have a Nutt' Butt'r...

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Slug
    I've seen Titusbro's Camelback....10 of the 30lbs is Chamois Butt'r....
    ... not entirely true... the small mutant inside my Camelbak that applies the Chamois Butt'r weighs 30lbs... don't leave home without 'em!
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    Heck, all of you guys are small compared to me. I weigh about 285lbs before the Wingnut and all of the other assorted crap that I carry on my rides. The ML is perfect for guys our size. And I run mine with Spinergy Xyclone disc wheels and haven't had a weight induced failure since I've had it. I have found that a lot of how a bike withstands the rider is all about rider technique..i.e lofting the front wheel over obstacles instead of bashing into it, unweighting the rear when needed, and proper maintenance on the wheels and hubs. I love my ML. Go for it. It is the best in it's class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anand
    ...The bike shop put 170 lbs of air in the shock, and by the ML database here, should be in the ballpark for my weight (~195 lbs).

    Should I try another demo?
    The bike shop did not check your sag great way for them NOT to sell a bike

    I think I ran 170 lbs with the RP23 and I'm 220

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Slug
    I've seen Titusbro's Camelback....10 of the 30lbs is Chamois Butt'r....

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    Heck, all of you guys are small compared to me. I weigh about 285lbs before the Wingnut and all of the other assorted crap that I carry on my rides. The ML is perfect for guys our size. And I run mine with Spinergy Xyclone disc wheels and haven't had a weight induced failure since I've had it. I have found that a lot of how a bike withstands the rider is all about rider technique..i.e lofting the front wheel over obstacles instead of bashing into it, unweighting the rear when needed, and proper maintenance on the wheels and hubs. I love my ML. Go for it. It is the best in it's class.
    Don't forget the Geax Sturdy's... the tyre for Clydes

    lofting take so much energy though...

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    Not with the feather light Spinergys and the lighter than helium Sturdys

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    Not with the feather light Spinergys and the lighter than helium Sturdys
    show off

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    I know, guilty as charged. By the way, it appears as though the ML may be the bike of choice for clydesdales.............

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    Finally Bought a Bike....from Biker Bob of course

    For anyone out there considering a Titus....give Biker Bob a call. He took a motolite complete and changed the suspension (forks and rear), upgraded the brakes, changed the wheels, added pedals and even gave me a choice of saddles. All for about $400. (plus the cost of the bike of course). What great service and now I have a bike that is made for ME

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusbro
    ... (sorry for that mental image) and probably 250 with all my gear on. Having a blast on my Med ML.

    Dang, I never knew that this forum was so full of super-sized ML riders...

    Mass x Gravity = SPEED!

    RHRF! (Ride Hard, Ride Fat!)??
    Yes big and proud ..................... l am 6.4 and 230 pounds and l ride a xl ML. Find that it is necessary to beef up wheels, stem, post and suspension to handle things. I have owned bikes from Intense / Ellsworth / Specialised / and Yeti and nothing rides like the ML. My rig still weighes around 28 pounds and handles more than l can.
    Think you will be rather happy on a ML but regardless of what bike you get you will love getting back into the dirt again.

    Have fun

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    I am 6'3" or so and 300 pounds I will be getting a moto lite exo custom in the fall. I have talked to Jim G on the phone at titus and he says most bigger guys don't have any problems on the frames, but if you have the money to go Ti or exo custom they can stiffen the bike up were there my be a week point. I had them do an exo road for me over the winter and it came out incredable. It was the first time I jump on a bike and it did not flex like a wet noodle. Jim also said it would be worth getting the rear shox rp23 sent out to push or changing out air chamber for the larger one.

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    MotoClyde

    Just finished building Cyberhawke's new ride. It's a Complete Heavy Duty, hopefully tailored to his needs.
    I wanted to retain as much of the Complete kit that works for a 200+ rider and substitute what would be more appropriate.

    Changes from the standard bike:
    Talas RLC (lockout for long fireroads)
    RP23
    FSA Gap cranks (MegaExo quad bottom bracket, chromoly pedal inserts)
    Thomson seatpost (should last)
    WTB Momentum Comp headset (sealed bearings)
    XT/Rhyno Lite wheels
    Avid Juicy 5 (bigger pads)
    WTB Speed V Progel saddle (wider, kinder)
    Sealed bearing platform pedals
    Oury grips (bigger)
    Kenda Small Block Eight tires

    I'm sure we'll get feedback from the new owner over time. His goal, not to be a Cydesdale.
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    What a hot bike!!!!

    Biker Bob,

    You have done a great job....no wonder you are the guru of Titus!!! Can't wait to get the bike and start riding it!!!

    thanks again and I will keep in touch.

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