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    Broke the Carbon Fiber Seat Stays on My New '09 Titus X Exogrid

    I recently purchased an ’09 Titus X Exogrid. The carbon fiber seat stays snapped like little twigs after only about 20 miles on the bike. I was out on my second ride and had stopped for a moment before climbing a short steep section of the trail. When I was ready to get moving again, I pushed down on the pedal and heard a “snap”…I looked down and saw that both of the carbon fiber seat stays had broken at the bottom, near the aluminum brackets. Keep in mind that this was not the result of hucking off of a 4’ drop (or even a 1’ drop for that matter). This occurred from a simple push of the pedal after only about 20 miles of total riding. I’m a 160 lb rider and didn’t even have 5 lbs of accessories at the time so I know the bike was not overloaded (bike weighs 24.5 lbs by the way).

    Has anyone else seen / heard of this issue with the new ’09 “Light Rail” rear triangles?

    Also, I posted a review about the bike last week and it has been deleted. Anyone know why this is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by txmountainbiker
    I recently purchased an ’09 Titus X Exogrid. The carbon fiber seat stays snapped like little twigs after only about 20 miles on the bike. I was out on my second ride and had stopped for a moment before climbing a short steep section of the trail. When I was ready to get moving again, I pushed down on the pedal and heard a “snap”…I looked down and saw that both of the carbon fiber seat stays had broken at the bottom, near the aluminum brackets. Keep in mind that this was not the result of hucking off of a 4’ drop (or even a 1’ drop for that matter). This occurred from a simple push of the pedal after only about 20 miles of total riding. I’m a 160 lb rider and didn’t even have 5 lbs of accessories at the time so I know the bike was not overloaded (bike weighs 24.5 lbs by the way).

    Has anyone else seen / heard of this issue with the new ’09 “Light Rail” rear triangles?

    Also, I posted a review about the bike last week and it has been deleted. Anyone know why this is?
    I saw your review and also noticed that you copied and pasted it in two different places. Honestly, it looked fake to me (as does this). I mean really, what makes you think people would believe you or care? Jeez, your post says you posted a stupid review a week ago but you have not even contacted your dealer about this problem. If this is real, it is just stupid. Sorry for the rant but please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txmountainbiker
    I pushed down on the pedal and heard a “snap”…
    I am sure it happened just like that...

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    One post.............I smell a troll. How could you have posted a review when you've got one post? Do the mods delete your posting stats when they supposedly take down your review?
    I like bikes.

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    I agree some pictures are in order.

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    If the review got copied and pasted in two different places, it was an accident and I apologize for that. I finished writing the review and tried to post it only to find out that you have to be a member to write a review. So, I registered and tried posting the review again. I’ve been on this site many times before to read reviews about parts and bikes but have never had the need (before now that is) to post a review or thread in the forums. We all have to start somewhere, right?!?! As far as the posting stats and deleting reviews goes, I’m not sure how all of that works. I posted a review about the bike last week (which was my first post) and now it’s gone. I started this thread today (which is my second post). I can only speculate that since the review was deleted, this thread shows to be my first post.

    As for the review and thread looking like they’re fakes, I don’t know what to tell you other than I wrote a review about what I thought of the bike in the short time that I was able to ride it. And yes, it happened just like that. I went out for my first ride on the bike last Tuesday (about 12 miles) and all went well. I was out on my second ride on the bike last Wednesday. I was about 8 miles into the ride on the same trail system when I had to stop for a short steep section of trail. I came around a blind corner in too high of a gear to make it up the section (and had come up on it too fast to gear down in time) so I came to a complete stop and shifted down to the small chain ring. I lifted the back tire and rotated the crank so that the chain would actually drop down. When I stepped on the pedal to get going again, the chain stays just snapped. Believe what you want to believe but that’s exactly how it happened!

    What makes me think that people would believe me or care? Well let’s see…maybe because this a mountain bike review site!!! After all, this is where people come to read reviews that ACTUAL people write about the ACTUAL equipment that they own/ride! And, if you read my review you know that I also wrote that I wasn’t out just trying to bash Titus. I own a ’08 Ti Motolite that I’ve put 1,250 miles on and haven’t had a single bit of trouble with the frame. I think the bike is awesome! To top it off, I own a Titus road bike as well. It’s been a great bike too.

    Who ever said that I didn’t contact my dealer about this problem? I called them about 10 minutes after it happened and took the bike back to them the very next day. They had not seen it before but that in no way means that it hasn’t happened before. They told me that they would contact Titus to check into the matter and get a replacement part on the way. I posted the review before I heard back on what Titus had to say because I felt it was my duty to warn others that there may be an issue with the new “Light Rail” rear triangle. Even if Titus was to replace the seat stays “no questions asked”, that does not change the fact that the rear triangle broke after 20 miles of xc riding and that just should not happen. I then posted this thread to ask if anyone else has had or heard of this issue. I mean come on, isn’t this exactly what this site is for?!?!

    So tell my why “If this is real, it is just stupid”. What exactly is stupid about letting people know that there might be an issue with a product and trying to find out if anyone else is having the same issue you are?

    I’m sorry that I don’t have any pictures to post. I don’t own a digital camera and I took the bike back to the shop last Thursday.

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    Maybe titus jeff can validate if he heard about an exo x with snapped chain stays.
    For me, it's hard to believe that someone who has money for an exo will not have a cell phone with digital camera inside. Do you have any pic of your exo?

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    For all of us that have worked in a shop it sounds like JRA.

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    Proof is in the pictures

    I wont believe it until I see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txmountainbiker
    I felt it was my duty to warn others that there may be an issue with the new “Light Rail” rear triangle. Even if Titus was to replace the seat stays “no questions asked”, that does not change the fact that the rear triangle broke after 20 miles of xc riding and that just should not happen. I then posted this thread to ask if anyone else has had or heard of this issue. I mean come on, isn’t this exactly what this site is for?!?!
    if you're such a great e-citizen, then it's your duty to borrow a digital camera and post a picture. otherwise go back to living under your bridge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yules
    ....For me, it's hard to believe that someone who has money for an exo will not have a cell phone with digital camera inside. Do you have any pic of your exo?
    Absototally agree. Even if its a crappy fone or cam. One on the faulty area and one of the whole bike.

    Both stays snapping at the same time!

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    You have to understand the skepticism. Your first post on the site is to talk about a broken carbon stay, with no pics to back it up. It's entirely possible, but it's also subject to a bit of suspicion. If you'd been on the board for a while, posting pics of your steed, and then come back and tell us that you just broke something. People would be more inclined to believe you. This is the internet after all.

    Also, usually it's good netiquette to let the mess get sorted out by the manufacturer first and then come back with the story and the resolution.

    Welcome to the board though. How do you like your X otherwise?
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    My experience with companies like Titus, Turner, Intense, Knolly and a host of other American/CDN builders is that any warranty problem would have been rectified by now and what should have been posted is something that read like this: Broken stays, new ones sent out the same day, back riding within the week great company. Instead of what we are reading here. Don'tcha know you can't fool honest people.

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    Not to stir up an old hornet's nest but when I posted pics of my broken Moto-lite I was slammed by 90% of the posters. Give a newbie a break...

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    First, I wrote an honest review about the bike. I’m only speculating but my opinion is that it was deleted because it didn’t sing the praises of Titus. Shouldn’t this type of web site be impartial? Shouldn’t I be able to write a review about a product regardless of whether it is positive or negative as long as it’s the truth?

    Then, I start a thread asking if this has happened to anyone else or if they have heard of it happening to anyone else. Instead of a “wow, no, I haven’t heard of that before…will you post some pics?”, I get a mob calling me a liar. Not a single helpful post from the lot of you (except for woodyak…thanks for standing up for someone you don’t even know!!!).

    Tell me this…why would I make this up…why would I be trying to fool anyone…what do I personally have to gain from letting people know that my seat stays snapped after 20 miles on the bike?

    As for the warranty, yes Titus has been contacted and yes they are sending replacement seat stays. I don’t know if they were sent out the same day or not. What I do know is that I spent a bunch of money on a bike. I rode it twice and a major component of it failed (with no justifiable reason) and I don’t have my bike back yet. Bottom line is that no matter what Titus says or does, whether it is a design flaw or just a defective part, the rear triangle should not have failed after 20 miles of xc riding.

    All I really wanted was to let people know what happen to my bike and find out if this was happening to others.

    I was going to borrow a digital camera and snap a few shots to post but I see no need to go out of my way to prove anything to ya’ll! Why bother? I can tell from this crowd that even if I was to post the pics you’d just say that it couldn’t have been from xc riding; that I must have been doing something I shouldn’t.

    It’s all about Karma…I can’t wait until one of you or someone you know buys an X and the same thing happens. It would make my day to be able to laugh in your face and say I told you so!

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    Blah, blah, blah. Just post some pics and everyone will shut up...kinda...maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txmountainbiker
    First, I wrote an honest review about the bike. I’m only speculating but my opinion is that it was deleted because it didn’t sing the praises of Titus. Shouldn’t this type of web site be impartial? Shouldn’t I be able to write a review about a product regardless of whether it is positive or negative as long as it’s the truth?

    Then, I start a thread asking if this has happened to anyone else or if they have heard of it happening to anyone else. Instead of a “wow, no, I haven’t heard of that before…will you post some pics?”, I get a mob calling me a liar. Not a single helpful post from the lot of you (except for woodyak…thanks for standing up for someone you don’t even know!!!).

    Tell me this…why would I make this up…why would I be trying to fool anyone…what do I personally have to gain from letting people know that my seat stays snapped after 20 miles on the bike?

    As for the warranty, yes Titus has been contacted and yes they are sending replacement seat stays. I don’t know if they were sent out the same day or not. What I do know is that I spent a bunch of money on a bike. I rode it twice and a major component of it failed (with no justifiable reason) and I don’t have my bike back yet. Bottom line is that no matter what Titus says or does, whether it is a design flaw or just a defective part, the rear triangle should not have failed after 20 miles of xc riding.

    All I really wanted was to let people know what happen to my bike and find out if this was happening to others.

    I was going to borrow a digital camera and snap a few shots to post but I see no need to go out of my way to prove anything to ya’ll! Why bother? I can tell from this crowd that even if I was to post the pics you’d just say that it couldn’t have been from xc riding; that I must have been doing something I shouldn’t.

    It’s all about Karma…I can’t wait until one of you or someone you know buys an X and the same thing happens. It would make my day to be able to laugh in your face and say I told you so!

    Bull crap, you posted this stuff to take a shot at titus. If you had really wanted to know if other people had had problems with the carbon stays, you would have done a search, and found that nobody has had problems with the stays breaking like that. Simple. Done. I mean think, if people were snapping stays by just peddleing their bike, don't you think titus or their dealers would have noticed? I mean really...

    If you were honest, you would have also mentioned that your shop/titus was taking care of you.

    No, your post was to cry like a baby that something happened to your bike. If it happened or not, it is your post and they way it is written that has gotten people pissed.

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    Vespasianus is it…I think I’ll just call you Anus for short. Are you going to take your ball and go home just because someone has something negative to say about a manufacturer’s product?

    I am a Titus fan through and through…I do currently own 3 of their bikes after all. That doesn’t mean they’re infallible. Manufactures often times have issues with new models. When they do, they don’t usually go around announcing it. That just wouldn’t be good business. Instead, they (by they I mean manufacturers in general) usually try to down play the issues and resolve them as quietly as possible.

    There has been absolutely nothing dishonest in any of my reviews/posts. I never said that my shop/Titus was not replacing the part. Titus sending replacement seat stays changes nothing. I bought a bike. That bike had a failure when it shouldn’t have. I let people know about my issue and asked if they had experienced / heard of the same issue. “Simple. Done.”

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    PIX or we will start calling you F-Tard for short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Also, usually it's good netiquette to let the mess get sorted out by the manufacturer first and then come back with the story and the resolution.
    I agree that your thread only gives us half the story. Pictures would help satisfy us wannabe forensic engineers, but failing to mention that you got a replacement part sorted right away makes it sound like you're whining/trolling.

    As for your review, how do you figure that 20 miles on a bike (that may have been broken when you got it) qualifies you to rate anything, let alone write an "honest" and "impartial" review? Seems to me that all you can say about your X at this point is that "Titus has good CS".

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    Wow, that sucks. Not exactly what the industry needs right now to silence the carbon haters.

    (Not entirely sure what all the ruffled feathers are about here... to me it reads like a simple description of what happened, not trying to smear the manufacturer or complain excessively. Plenty of that going around, for sure... Plus, since this is all anonymous, who's to say who is credible and who isn't? I don't really get where the suspicion comes from...)

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    Well, let's see if the new stays fail in 20 miles. Next time we need a pic.

    Personnally, I don't see any issue with carbon front triangle, but I'm a bit leery about carbon rear triangle. I believe that R.C. said the same thing in MBA at some point as well.
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    I think you should have held off posting this possible failure until you spoke with Titus. I say possible failure because we haven't seen any proof. I think Titus owes you an explaination to reassure your confidence in using their product. I can tell you if this happened to me I would want to know that this product would not fail again causing bodily harm. I think you have the right as a consumer to question any product on the market. But I am not a big fan of premature failure posting here on mtbr.com without giving the manufacture a chance to explain the situation.

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    I have trashed my Ti FTM for almost 300 miles in a month. TItus CF seat stays have been beyond solid since they came out. I have been riding them for years, 5,000 miles at least. I simply do not believe the OP. ('s) issue short of abuse. From somewhere. Sorry.


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    I own a titus x exo and a digital camera (actually I own a bunch of them) I've ridden about 50 miles on it. It's been over rocks and roots and every still looks good. Hopefully this is just an isolated case.

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    I wish everyone would mellow out when it comes to talking about mountain bike parts and frame failures. It is to everyones advantage to discuss them and try to understand why they happened. By attacking people who bring up failures in the Titus forum we gain absolutely nothing.

    All companies get failures, the idea here is try to understand them reduce the chances of a failure happening as much as possible.

    Here are some interesting links on bicycle failures:

    http://materials.open.ac.uk/mem/mem_ccf.htm

    I really like the Cozy bee hive. As a Mechanical Engineer Ron looks at a lot of parts failures.

    http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/sear...%20Misbehavior

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    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex
    I have trashed my Ti FTM for almost 300 miles in a month. TItus CF seat stays have been beyond solid since they came out. I have been riding them for years, 5,000 miles at least. I simply do not believe the OP. ('s) issue short of abuse. From somewhere. Sorry.

    I started to pedal and my seat stays snapped. That's garbage.

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    Orthorex, this only goes to show that your week little legs are not capable of snapping the
    stays like "like little twigs" Go do some squats and come back and try again!

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    You dont keep your bike as clean as Dom!

    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex
    I have trashed my Ti FTM for almost 300 miles in a month. TItus CF seat stays have been beyond solid since they came out. I have been riding them for years, 5,000 miles at least. I simply do not believe the OP. ('s) issue short of abuse. From somewhere. Sorry.

    I started to pedal and my seat stays snapped. That's garbage.

    Pics are always nice in a pic-less thread. \\







    Why not? In my opinion this thread should be closed, nothing but a bunch of garbage being said here.

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    I think the story is believable though pictures would help make this thread more interesting. I have a buddy who cracked his Jet9 rocker right after taking off from a stop and another who crackes his 575 stays right after a roll off a rock maybe 10" in height.

    Breaks and cracks happen- why attack someone over it? It isn't like a Titus can't break, is it? The important thing is that this is isolated and that the company will take care of him...that is the most important thing and a positive customer service experience. Bash riders thi sway they will probably tend to stay away from the brand next time, especially if they are new to MTBR.

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    I don't doubt that txmountainbiker's frame broke. It would be nice if he had posted pictures but if he doesn't care to that's his business. His post comes across as someone who is bitter and complaining instead of someone who is trying to help out his fellow riders however, and most people would be a little bummed if their new frame broke. "It’s all about Karma…I can’t wait until one of you or someone you know buys an X and the same thing happens. It would make my day to be able to laugh in your face and say I told you so!" It certainly is about Karma. It stinks that you got a bad rear triangle, but really, your experience does not make every X a time bomb. Far from it. Titus has agreed to replace the part under warranty. What more do you expect? People are quick to post negative experiences in what seems as a pay back for a failed product. There are also alot of internet "experts" out there. I would take sites like the Cozy bee hive with a big grain of salt. Just because he is a mechanical engineer (for Exxon I believe and fails to mention any other credentials) that doesn't make his online analysis of pictures of broken parts accurate. Educated SWAGS maybe, but I don't even know his education. So txmountianbiker, hate that your frame broke and glad you are okay. It good to hear that Titus is replacing your frame. Hope you are riding again soon.

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    Ok, let's not get crazy here. This is getting out of hand and there's no reason to be so negative towards each other. Yes, we have had a isolated incident with a failure on a seat stay and it is most likely the OP's. However, we have not received the part to inspect, so there's really no point in me trying to speculate as to the cause.

    The Important thing to remember is that because we distribute our frames to Europe, they all must pass the extremely stringent CEN testing standards. Throughout or extensive testing, our parts went well beyond the required number of cycles and we never saw a failure with the carbon part in question. In addition, we have thousands of ride hours on the stays and between the top level racers that we sponsor, the magazine thrash-tests and demo fleets that get daily floggings we have yet to have a single issue with the new Light Rail seatstays on those bikes. I assure you this is an isolated event and not cause for concern. It's also worth noting that a replacement part was shipped out on Friday April 24th, the same day we were notified by the shop.

    Please give us the time to have our engineers thoroughly inspect the part to determine what happened. As always, please feel free to contact us if you have any questions.

    Ride on!

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    I agree with chip about the tone of the post. Sure they could have snapped. It would just be nice to have pics and / or an explanation from Titus for the reason before posting.

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    Thanks Jeff and sorry to the OP.

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    yes, ebullying is not cool, plus I have no room to speak.........I refuse to ride anything carbon, except maybe a headset spacer

    Sorry TXmountainbiker, and uh, welcome to our happy home, yeah right
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak
    Not to stir up an old hornet's nest but when I posted pics of my broken Moto-lite I was slammed by 90% of the posters. Give a newbie a break...
    Yeah, but you beaheaded the bike and killed a Zoke AM1 in the process... and mind you those forks are tough crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak
    Give a newbie a break...
    +1
    Too many unfounded assumptions heaped on the OP...
    Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.

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    Jeff, thanks for dropping by. We are all mountain bikers, though we do get carried away and get personal with each other. This has been one of the friendlier forums in general. Good to see the OP squared away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus Jeff

    Ride on!
    absolutely... very respectable for you to chime in...
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Yeah, but you beaheaded the bike and killed a Zoke AM1 in the process... and mind you those forks are tough crap.

    Warp, if you were still a Mod you could have spanked them all for being tough e-bullies.

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    TX - sorry for the sceptizm. Hope you enjoy your X after all.
    Jeff - Thanks a lot for shedding some light over the situation, and clearing the mood here.

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    Still no pics. Lame! There was a Blur LT2 that had a crack a while ago and there were pics with the post...no problems. That results in good discussion and spreading the info. This OP seems to enjoy lurcking and stirring the pot.

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    Things break and can be a one off fluke. I had the unthinkable happen to one of my Titus bikes with less then 200 miles on it. Titus took care of me and resulted in me owning 3 more of their bikes after the fact.
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    Good on you for apologizing....

    Quote Originally Posted by yules
    TX - sorry for the sceptizm. Hope you enjoy your X after all.
    Jeff - Thanks a lot for shedding some light over the situation, and clearing the mood here.
    So, where are the other apologies??

    Good grief, the OP got an unjustified beat-down and only one "I'm sorry."

    I know this is the internet and all, but people need to "man-up" and move on....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzboy
    Still no pics. Lame! There was a Blur LT2 that had a crack a while ago and there were pics with the post...no problems. That results in good discussion and spreading the info. This OP seems to enjoy lurcking and stirring the pot.

    I agree to a certain extent. I don't care or doubt (I never did) that the frame had broken, but the have issues with they way the OP reported the information. I know people are given love and apologizes to the OP, but I still think the post and review were done in a poor and provocative way - regardless of the company. My opinion would be the same if this was Titus, Turner or IBEX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndUser
    So, where are the other apologies??

    Good grief, the OP got an unjustified beat-down and only one "I'm sorry."

    I know this is the internet and all, but people need to "man-up" and move on....

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    Don't Mess With Texas

    Wow this was crazy thread.... drop five large on a bike that breaks, ask for info on same, get hated on, get hated on some more, get vindicated, then get some love, then get hated on a little more, crazy. Props to you for keeping your cool when a thread full of boy-o's lost a lil' bit o' their cool....

    By the way, you really hacksawed that chainstay, didn't you?

    OK, just kidding. Welcome to the NFL, Texas.

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    I was surprised when I saw txmountainbiker's broken seatstays. I was equally surprised/impressed by how quickly Titus sent out a replacement...

    I work on Titus' all day long everyday, and that was the first and only problem I've witnessed with the new light rail seatstays.

    As for the people calling BS without pictures, who would make up a story about their new $7500 mtn. bike failing? Seriously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by altazo

    As for the people calling BS without pictures, who would make up a story about their new $7500 mtn. bike failing? Seriously...
    Somebody who was pissed off at the company, and wanted their pound of flesh.

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    I have read and re-read the OP and still am failing to see where he is trying to get his pound of flesh. His writing style was to the point and detailed.

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    I agree, JP... I am a Titus-diggin' bro, but I am not a Titus schill, and some of this guilty-until-proven-schillocent rant and rave against the OP is ludicrous....

    Hey, Texas, what's the current situation, anyways?

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    Not me, the guy copied and pasted the same post in three different places. Never mentioned talking with his dealer or Titus. Makes it clear that he was just lightly peddling his bike when it snapped like a twig. Never did a search about carbon seat-stays (which have never had a problem). I still don't buy into this guy being a genuine person trying to look out for poor chumps on new Titus bikes with the light rail system.

    And this has nothing to do with Titus, this would be a chump post if the bike was a Turner or a Ibex.

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    Hey, you are standing your ground, Vesp, with a rationale argument, and I am down with that... we just agree to dis-agree on initial reaction to the OP.... it was way-over-reaction, i thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus
    Not me, the guy copied and pasted the same post in three different places. Never mentioned talking with his dealer or Titus. Makes it clear that he was just lightly peddling his bike when it snapped like a twig. Never did a search about carbon seat-stays (which have never had a problem). I still don't buy into this guy being a genuine person trying to look out for poor chumps on new Titus bikes with the light rail system.

    And this has nothing to do with Titus, this would be a chump post if the bike was a Turner or a Ibex.

    You're wrong.

    I saw txmountainbiker's bike and it was in fact broken. I know the trail he was on when it happened and fully believe he was just lightly pedaling. Titus sent out new seatstays and his bike was back running in 3 or 4 days. Hoepfully that's the only one we see all year. That's it. No deception. No ulterior motives. No un-genuine people trying to somehow get back at a bicycle manufacturer via an online forum...
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    aww... come on, guys... odd broke bike, warranty kicks in as it should, no pics, nothing to see here... move on
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    Quote Originally Posted by txmountainbiker
    Vespasianus is it…I think I’ll just call you Anus for short.


    Well, I see nothing at all wrong with the OP's writing style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Warp, if you were still a Mod you could have spanked them all for being tough e-bullies.
    Nah... this thread has many elements of the "fanboy gangbang thread" (first post to claim snapped JRA with no pics on a 7k bike certainly looks suspicious) but lack the sheer drama of when JC, BA, Demo, some mexican I dare not speak his name-o and a few others went in to the arena to fight knife in teeth to death for the e-supremacy.

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    After about 9 months of research, I recieved my Titus X Exogrid 2 months ago. I also use a Cannondale Rush Team 08. The X Exogrid (4 inch travel) is used mainly for jumping down stairs, city sprinting, light mountain and almost all trails, its at 22.1 pounds every day use build. The Rush is at 23.5 and its build more for jumps and hard trailing.

    Reading the thread, im thinking the rear triangle must have had some unseen damage, which sometimes happens with carbon were the stress fracture is noticable inside, but not outside. I am used to using carbon, it does hide fractures fairly well sometimes.

    I don't argue that it could have happened, but I would love to see pictures. Specially when a digital camera is around $100 and the bike was around 7k.

    I am 158 pounds and I tend to land faily hard, hard setup on the suspention and I do mix jumps offroad and on the road. My setup on the X Exogrid is mostly XTR, SID Cup fork, kcnc posts and bars, fizik seat and ztr 7000 wheelset. Noticing how he wrote he was lighly going offroad makes me think something must have been fractured from before the bike hit the trails.

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    Holy crap, what a bunch of juvenile remarks. Well, I have to stop myself....maybe I'm assuming that most people here are grown adults. My bad.....I guess some of these people on $4000+ bikes could be in the 4th grade where it would be acceptable.

    Thanks for the laughs.....talk about immaturity.

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    Without pics this thread seemed shady, my bad for jumping to the wrong conclusion, when I'm right I'm right but when I'm wrong I don't have a problem admitting that I was. TXmtbr, glad things got worked out, still would have liked to see some pics.

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    what ever happened to this bike? did it get repaired? is OP happy now?
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    OK gang... I'm a noob here.
    I've been researching for a month for a new ride.
    There are currently 2 motolites, 2 FTMS, 3-4 Racer Xs, and a couple of the CF Scott Genius' in our group. I'm the one needing to upgrade, and it's between the FTM and the Genius.

    Now let me vent a little. You guys pick on this rider for claiming he shredded a seat stay?
    Shame on all of you for not believing him.
    I just go off my friend's Orange FTM. She's got about 300 miles on it so far.

    I just snapped her right side seat stay while climbing uphill... in the mid gear.

    You guys really owe this guy an apology. Who cares if he didn't post a pic, or if it was his first post. I'm sill considering buying an FTM LE with the Crank Bros setup, but I wanted to see how many people had this problem... AND HERE IS THE PICTURE for all of you non believer and schmucks alike.

    Seriously... I post on other forums, and often see people getting flamed....but you guys really went too far. This picture was shot with a blackberry, in the trail today.

    I'm pulling at the two pieces because the crack isn't easy to see without it. I can tell you I heard a snap, and the with one crank felt the tire rubbing on something and more resistance than normal...

    I'm 172lbs, 5'8" and I would not say I'm an exceptional rider...but then I do ride in Durango, where more MTB pros and Olympians live and train than anywhere else...but that means little doesn't it.
    What does matter? A picture is worth a thousand words.

    Any questions????

    Go ahead all of you "too cool for school types" ...start typing your apologies!!!!
    ...and feel free to flame me or call me directly...my email is here.
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    And yes, we contacted Titus as well as the shop the frame was purchased from. Titus is overnighting the part to the house. Warrantied, no questions. Sent them that pic and it's a done deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GPilot800
    And yes, we contacted Titus as well as the shop the frame was purchased from. Titus is overnighting the part to the house. Warrantied, no questions. Sent them that pic and it's a done deal.
    You missed the point. Sorry to hear about your friends bike, nice to hear it was taken care of ASAP.

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    I am hoping Titus will tweak the seatstays for 2010 to deal with the Stress Riser at the interface between the carbon and aluminum. I think Titus also need to strain guage an FTM and see if the FEA models match real world loading conditions. This way they won't just be making pretty color pictures in Solidworks and Cosmos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sopwithcamel
    I am hoping Titus will tweak the seatstays for 2010 to deal with the Stress Riser at the interface between the carbon and aluminum. I think Titus also need to strain guage an FTM and see if the FEA models match real world loading conditions. This way they won't just be making pretty color pictures in Solidworks and Cosmos.

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    Word... this is not a bonding problem. It could be a manufacturing issue, though.

    This is odd... they had pretty much dialed the carbon stays on the ML. They even lasted longer than the aluminum ones.

    As Sop said, wire a FTM and start crushing numbers...
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    I think Titus also need to strain guage an FTM and see if the FEA models match real world loading conditions.
    I agree!

    Running a FEA just proves that you paid the money for the program. There are too many assumptions in set up that can be made incorrectly which can vastly change your results. Ideally the process should be as you stated; run FEA and then test to validate FEA. Ultimately FEA helps you tweak the initial design to avoid a premature failure prior to testing and then shows you what you can’t see physically post test. I would expect that any company would have done at least a static load on a golden sample. Real world testing on a worst case variance is another issue which only raises its head after a couple hundred / thousand assemblies have left the shipping dock.

    This way they won't just be making pretty color pictures in Solidworks and Cosmos.
    How do you know that Titus runs Cosmos? I don’t think that Cosmos can run assemblies or account for bonding. I may be wrong as my company just upgraded to the full license; its still basic compared to Ansys or MSC.


    For what its worth I still have my aluminum stays on an 06 ML…
    Carbon will be the next step if the alu does fail as shown in the forum.

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    wow, you guys are diks.
    ride fast...take chances...

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    gte819.......

    I am not sure Titus runs Cosmo, I believe they contract contract their engineering FEA requirements. What I really want for Titus is a compete bike test lab. Maybe if a bicycle company or two goes chapter 11, they will be able to pick one up at a fire sale price. ( fingers crossed!)

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    Hey,
    Sadly, I've seen an x just as described, both carbon light rail stays snapped like twigs above the dropout juncture... and this was the replacement rear triangle... I don't want to believe it's a design flaw either as I do enjoy my x quite a bit. Should there be an issue I'm sure Titus will step up and sort it out, I don't relish walking out of the bush.
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