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    650b El Guapo?

    Out of Curiosity..


    I see the MkI (assuming 08-> 09 model was MkI) listed in the 650bPalace as "650b from 26" converted List", but not sure if it applies to the latest frames for sale on Titus/On-One website.

    650B Palace: 650B from 26" Convertible List

    Has anyone tried running 650b on the 2011 El Guapo (MkII)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfother View Post
    Out of Curiosity..


    I see the MkI (assuming 08-> 09 model was MkI) listed in the 650bPalace as "650b from 26" converted List", but not sure if it applies to the latest frames for sale on Titus/On-One website.

    650B Palace: 650B from 26" Convertible List

    Has anyone tried running 650b on the 2011 El Guapo (MkII)?
    650B does not fit in any current Titus 26" frames.
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    .. was just looking at some Pacenti 650 rims earlier...
    Maybe just a 650 front but keep rear at 26"

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    Hi

    Could there be any upgrade to the frame (like rear triangle replacement) that would fit the 650B?

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    No, it's been hard enough for some wanting a 142x12 rear let alone a new, longer setup for 650b. then there's the whole getting the geometry right on the front end too.

    Brant is pretty blatant about not liking the idea too.
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    I am almost tempted to do a run of 650b frames. I know exactly what to do geometry wise, but really feel its bandwagon jumping and almost exploitative.
    Right now the fork type supported for large 650b tyres is only Revelation which is of course the same as 29in, but at least 29ers have that extra roll over ability.

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    Dont fox/xfusion 36s work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillJ View Post
    Dont fox/xfusion 36s work?
    Not interested in bodged fudged components.

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    Fox def botched. Thought fusion specifically made the veng compatible w higher ac? If so would give me another good reason to buy one

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    I am almost tempted to do a run of 650b frames. I know exactly what to do geometry wise, but really feel its bandwagon jumping and almost exploitative.
    I'm not against the idea of 650B wheels, but amongst the candidates for the conversion I don't see the EG being one to benifit from it. She is long and low with a good amount of travel, a true AM machine that is perfect for what she is, as she is.

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    Seems like 650B is all the rage with alot of manufacturers discontinuing 26" wheels in certain models. Brant, go for it!

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    yeah i think you should if it'll make money and be a good ride.
    also, might give me a reason to buy again as some small tweaks wouldn't.. #
    (you should still do the small fixes and keep 26 EG going imho at least for a few years?)

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    O good lord please don't do it. I'm not even done paying for the second 26" Eg

    Unless you go making other changes how about concentraiting on the 29" EG and leaving the 650 stuff to the "us too" guys, for a little while atleast..
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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    I am almost tempted to do a run of 650b frames. I know exactly what to do geometry wise, but really feel its bandwagon jumping and almost exploitative.
    Right now the fork type supported for large 650b tyres is only Revelation which is of course the same as 29in, but at least 29ers have that extra roll over ability.
    Hey Brant, Don't the 650b Fox 34's and 650b WB loops forks handle pretty big tyres?

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    El Guapo V3 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by kfother View Post
    Out of Curiosity..


    I see the MkI (assuming 08-> 09 model was MkI) listed in the 650bPalace as "650b from 26" converted List", but not sure if it applies to the latest frames for sale on Titus/On-One website.

    650B Palace: 650B from 26" Convertible List

    Has anyone tried running 650b on the 2011 El Guapo (MkII)?
    No, but i am now building up a El Guapo v3 27.5 version. I mounted a 27.5 x 2.1 Pacenti tire on a Stans Crest rim in the rear and i have a 2013 Fox F34 160 27.5 fork on the front with a 27.5 x 2.25 Pacenti and a Stans Crest rim. Silver Chris King hubs with DT Swiss Aerolite spokes on deanoized and polished crest rims. When i am finished i will park it next to my MotoLite Ti 27.5. HiHo Silver

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    Why on earth would you want an El Guapo with a 2.1in tyre?

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    Impressive

    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Brant is pretty blatant about not liking the idea too.
    From that to "tempted"... while not a 180º turn, that's gotta be at least a 90º

    Though I need me a 36 on EG

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    Not sure 650b for the EG is the answer. What about as a way to re-launch the FTM which seems due for Brantification anyway? More in line with the upcoming/available fork and tire options. In my opinion, 650b is all about compromise in the first place, ideally aimed at people looking for one versatile bike to bridge the spectrum between 5" 26-ers (fast accelerating and nimble) and 140mm 29-ers (chunder tractors). Or to put it another way, it makes a 5" trail bike slightly more capable in the rough. The EG seems pretty well suited for its intended task (in both 26" and 29" forms) but the efforts of people to lighten theirs up for racing (craigstr?) and put 2.1 tires on the back suggests there's another segment out there, which a 650b FTM could serve well.

    5" travel, 68 degree head angle @150mm fork (67 w/slackset) & 650b, clearance for 2.3 650b tires, dropper post guides, 6ish frame + shock weight for easy build in the 27ish range without breaking the bank, bb height as appropriate... Killer!

    Hell, maybe it's just easier to make these changes to the EG & just re-badge it FTM! 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmargoli View Post
    Hi

    Could there be any upgrade to the frame (like rear triangle replacement) that would fit the 650B?
    I broke down last year to measure the 27.5s on my 2010 w/ 09 ss, rc4 and st has a little more clearance than cs. At the least, needs a new yoke to clear chunky middle tread and maybe little steeper st

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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post
    Not sure 650b for the EG is the answer. What about as a way to re-launch the FTM which seems due for Brantification anyway? More in line with the upcoming/available fork and tire options. In my opinion, 650b is all about compromise in the first place, ideally aimed at people looking for one versatile bike to bridge the spectrum between 5" 26-ers (fast accelerating and nimble) and 140mm 29-ers (chunder tractors). Or to put it another way, it makes a 5" trail bike slightly more capable in the rough. The EG seems pretty well suited for its intended task (in both 26" and 29" forms) but the efforts of people to lighten theirs up for racing (craigstr?) and put 2.1 tires on the back suggests there's another segment out there, which a 650b FTM could serve well.

    5" travel, 68 degree head angle @150mm fork (67 w/slackset) & 650b, clearance for 2.3 650b tires, dropper post guides, 6ish frame + shock weight for easy build in the 27ish range without breaking the bank, bb height as appropriate... Killer!

    Hell, maybe it's just easier to make these changes to the EG & just re-badge it FTM! 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.
    I couldn't agree more. The FTM is ripe for new stays and a perfect platform for 650B, the EG is already perfected.

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    " travel, 68 degree head angle @150mm fork (67 w/slackset) & 650b, clearance for 2.3 650b tires, dropper post guides, 6ish frame + shock weight for easy build in the 27ish range without breaking the bank, bb height as appropriate... Killer!

    Hell, maybe it's just easier to make these changes to the EG & just re-badge it FTM! 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.
    Not bad ideas at all.

    BUT! With all the negative press the aluminum FTM got I would say loose the name all together. it was a fun bike but just had too many little things wrong that added up to something that just muddy'd the name up too much.

    I still say do the above changes (650b compatability with fat tires, decent BB hights, dropper post routing, 140-150mm travel, and make it jive with a 160mm fork) and call it.......El Jefe!

    Oh and make the whole damn thing out of ALUMINUM! no facking carbon. thanks, and that is all.
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    Resurrect the Motolite

    And one more thing... Bring back the "motolite" name. That'd be great to connect to the Titus legacy, since this bike had a loyal following (myself included). The FTM was plagued with problems -- both technically and in terms of marketing -- and never really hit its stride. So a 650b re-launch would be a great way to build on past successes and differentiate it from the EG.
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    I second. Bring back the Motolite.

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    But that would mean I'd have to make the Chunky Monkey and Smorgasbord in a 650B size!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    But that would mean I'd have to make the Chunky Monkey and Smorgasbord in a 650B size!
    Well, with the piss-poor 650b tire selection (and I'm talking about actual availability, not hyped promises of next year's stuff), that would probably be an awesome business move. The trick is finding bikes that can accommodate those tires when caked with the mud that they were designed for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post
    Well, with the piss-poor 650b tire selection (and I'm talking about actual availability, not hyped promises of next year's stuff), that would probably be an awesome business move. The trick is finding bikes that can accommodate those tires when caked with the mud that they were designed for.
    when I actually meet someone who has bought a 650B bike I will consider this more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    when I actually meet someone who has bought a 650B bike I will consider this more.
    Hard to buy one if you don't make one!

    MotoLite 650 has a nice ring to it.
    +1 on the "make it out of aluminum" comment.

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    Tire size question.

    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Why on earth would you want an El Guapo with a 2.1in tyre?
    Thats the largest 27.5 tire that will fit the V3 frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doralswheels View Post
    Thats the largest 27.5 tire that will fit the V3 frame.
    So why on earth would you run a 650b wheels in that case?
    The downsides if a 2.1in tyre on the rear of an El Guapo surely negate any possible benefit.

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    De-anodized rims on silver kings, MK3 raw? Large?

    you have to post photo

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    Brant is holding out for the 685.34c wave that's announced for next year.
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    Agree with Brant...

    Let Titus to bring the 650B by 2014. Better a little late but get it nailed the first time and once the 650B proves that lives up to its promise... oh, and current models (V3, 29) development pays itself.

    Oh, and yes... dump the FTM. Bring back the Motolite. There's nothing wrong with aluminum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp View Post
    There's nothing wrong with aluminum.
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    I'm still riding my '07 Motolite with a 650b up front, would love to see the model come back as a full 650b, I'd be all over it.

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    How about they do a 650b rear now. Since we are all dragging our toes in the dirt.....a bigger rear wheel would be nice.
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    Any 09" rear end inventory still laying around? cut those square tubes on the 09' stays little longer. I like the old stays, they ROCK solid

    I am willing to put up with 2.3 nevegals until new rubber comes out 2013 (and I don't like nev)

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    I'm sure that square tube is easy to come buy. Should be super easy to cut those to length and change the angle of the interface between the seatstay bridge, chainstay yoke and fsr dropout on the rear. It'd only take a few seconds on the cnc mill and TA-DA!!!! no more stub'd toes!

    Please! I'd buy an "optional" rear triangle for 650b right now if they put it on the website. (but please sell them in the proper v3 colors)
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    27.5 stays?
    Prebooking one now if its ever gonna materialize.

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    Me too

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    Latest Titus news letter:
    a number of new Titus frames that are going to be coming down the pipe-line - more details to follow but there was a lot of discussion about something between 26" and 29er.

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    What's the titus return policy for a "lightly used" frame.....? Or should I say, "is there a trade in program like back in the day ?"

    Havn't even finished paying for the last frame yet and now the rumor of a 650b grows even bigger. Great.
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    oh my... just spend a bomb for my EG and now these... savings starts now.. hopefully something really nice. keep teasing us with more info...

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    Good job!

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    27.5 stays?
    Prebooking one now if its ever gonna materialize.

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    Great tire, been running them all season (in the 26" version).

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    Vol looks good. Wonder what's the weight...

    Hans Dampf 650B on my shortlist if 27.5 ever gonna make it on the EG. This looks to be another option.

    Tried the 26' last week. definitely hooked. DHf front washed but dampf rear (trailstar compound) just kept digging and going...

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    Looks like more volume in the other race'r version, but not much tread as others.

    Haven't tried the 26 or the Dampf, but yeah, like that trailstar compound too. Muddy Mary fr in front has really good life

    On griper, the centers look more chevron where others tires are ramped

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    The Michelin's are very light. My 2.25 GripR in 26" was under 650 grams and the 2.1 under 600. They are tubeless ready to boot. They roll super fast for a full tread tire and the wear is excellent. My favorite tire used to be the Ardent but their tubeless issues and heavier weight made me look for something else. I think the traction the Grip R's get is 90% of what I used to get with the Ardent but with much better wear, tubeless compatibility, less rolling resistance, less weight. Cheaper too.

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    Dampf weight is an 'issue' if the build is aimed to be light.
    Performance wise ,sure beat my Ardents (2.4) hands down. Was able to compare within the same day/ condition when testing out 2 builds last week...
    Ardents @ 19 front/ 21 rear psi...
    Dampf @ ~31-33 rear-- corners a lot better in the wet. I thought the center knobs were digging the soft ground a little easier... but maybe knobs on my old Ardents are a little hard by now.

    Craig, I have yet to try the Grip'r. Mich are more expensive in my part of the world. But with those full knob config, and if you say they roll well..definitely will look into them more for my race day considerations.

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    These tires look very good

    Apparently Hans Dampf is already available for purchase, &'s @ 715mm!!

    Craigstr did you use/like those gripr's better on front or back?
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    I use them front and rear

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