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    2007 Motolite Complete Bike Lust

    I have pretty much developed an insatiable case of lust for a Motolite, but the nearest dealership is almost 200 miles, one way.

    I am considering ordering from either Speedgoat, Competitive Cyclist, or BikerBob.

    Anyone who has any experience they would share with me, either positive or negative, about these shops to help me decide where to order, would be greatly appreciated. Suggestions for other possibilities would also be welcome.

    I'm more concerned about getting a first quality bike and meticulous, professional frame prep and partial build than I am about a few bucks in savings.

    Wherever I get the bike, I'll post pics (FINALLY got a digicam ), and my impressions about the bike and the chosen shop when the deed is done.

    Please hurry, I can't stand waiting any longer!

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    Well...I've ordered a bike from both Bob and Competitive Cyclist and have nothing but good things to say about both. See who has one available first and take it from there, you can't go wrong either way...

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    Red Barn - great prices, fast shipping and very easy to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkrobe
    Red Barn - great prices, fast shipping and very easy to deal with.

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    Since you are in a hurry (must have the bike now!!! ) I would check with each and find out what they have in stock.

    You also mentioned about a partial build or substitutions on the standard complete and these guys may or may not be able to offer what you want.

    I bought my Moto-lite complete from Bikerbob and was please with the service. I recommend calling him (or the other guys) and talking direct about what you want etc instead of trying to just do e-mail back and forth. They can usually get down to what you are really looking for and if they have it in stock much faster by phone than a drawn out e-mail conversation.

    I got the std complete - size large with 100mm stem and X-9 rear der substitution

    Good luck with the new bike and I understand the Lust you have (see my complete below)

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    You are making a good choice. I have just had 5 days on my ML, it still puts a grin amile wide on my face... A truly great frame that can do so much, still spins me out...

    I got my frame from BikerBob. he was great. One thing I found with Bob that was awesome on this day and age was, Bob knew I was looking and came and said hey, have you thought whom you will purchase from, and said I would love to supply you are ExoGrid ML. I was hooked, the guy is a gentleman..

    Have dealt also with Larry and Chad.

    The 3 mentioned for me, rate HUGELY...

    Good luck, pics are needed...
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    Gotta give props where they are deserved though. I called Competitive Cyclist on Monday and had a fully built RX at my door on Thursday of the same week.

    You can't go wrong either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by germ
    Gotta give props where they are deserved though. I called Competitive Cyclist on Monday and had a fully built RX at my door on Thursday of the same week.

    You can't go wrong either way
    Now germ, thats where its at, how cool, Monday hungry for an RX, Thursday eating. Awesome to hear those stories...
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    Sweet Chet!

    It was someone else who mentioned wanting to change some of the parts.

    I know about wanting sweet, jewel-like bits and pieces on bikes, and I'm not immune to envy when I see some of the amazingly sweet bikes people build.

    Personally, though, I tend to buy what I believe will give me the most bang for my buck, rather than the pricey, cutting edge stuff. Which is why I'm attracted to the ML complete deal to begin with.

    I'm old, slow, and weak and I just ride for fun and fitness anyway, so, though I appreciate quality, I don't really need the fast and light stuff.

    Thanks for the input, all, and keep it coming! I'll make some calls and place my order in the next day or two.
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    Biker Bob

    I think that Biker Bob is the best!! I did do a lot of calling around and had some concerns about being a middle aged clydsdale. Biker Bob took the time to work with me and set up the perfect bike for me, then when I had to move, he waited patiently for me to get settled and will send me the bike in the next two weeks.

    He certainly knows his business and will take the time to work with you to get your bike perfect....like a 10.5+

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    New ML

    BikerBob is your Guy !!!
    and Im sure he will swap bits in out as needed
    Hes great and sends me stuff all the way to New Zealand !

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    Twister, ML is a great bike.

    I would look towards the company that will talk things through with you... not just take your money and send you one (nothing wrong with that). What I mean is you need to talk with bikeshop people to make sure your present riding needs are covered and the immediate future. This will save you from spending heaps of money later with "upgrades". A dealer that would change out a few parts to make the right bike for you is worth their weight in Titanium.

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    I dealt with BikerBob and it was truly a good experience. Bob is very interested in getting people on the right Titus. I second the recommendation to call and talk to him directly. He also worked through a couple of part swaps with me post-delivery.

    BTW, the Motolite is a great choice. The "Complete" is the way to get into the Titus family at a reasonable price.

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    Wow! I've been exchanging email with a few of the shops in the thread, and they all seem to be sincere and commited to providing great service.

    Now I'll feel guilty having to choose one over the others!

    I guess this is a good example of why competition is a good thing.

    I appreciate the notion that Biker Bob is willing to swap parts around. He has a great reputation. I'm not real certain why I'd want to though, given the standard ML stuff is pretty good to begin with.

    Question: How do the "mail order" shops handle the issue of trimming steerer tubes?

    It would be a huge drag to get it irrevocably wrong. Do they just leave it at standard length and let the customer have it trimmed locally or do they have a magic formula that gets it right every time?

    Also, what a great resource this forum is. There are so many people here who share info and advice, just for the price of asking. It's terrific!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister
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    Question: How do the "mail order" shops handle the issue of trimming steerer tubes?

    It would be a huge drag to get it irrevocably wrong. Do they just leave it at standard length and let the customer have it trimmed locally or do they have a magic formula that gets it right every time?

    Also, what a great resource this forum is. There are so many people here who share info and advice, just for the price of asking. It's terrific!
    If it's from factory, then you get what you get. If you order the correct frame size (headtube length vary with frame size), there should be enough steerer tube left with extra spacers and you would most likely need to take one or two out. If you need lot's of steerer tube then you need to contact the dealer you will order from and discuss cockpit setup needs straight away.

    Pick the dealer you feel comfortable with and can get the setup you feel is best for your needs. I wouldn't get too concerned about exact prices.

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    Regarding the steerer tube, BikerBob left mine long with a lot of spacers under the stem. I just moved some to the top to lower the stem. I finally settled on a stem height and need to get the steerer trim and the spacers above the stem removed.

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    Have the dealer leave the stem a little long and provide spacers. That way you can adjust the stem up or down by moving the spacers above or below the stem to get it the way you want it. It is easy to trim down the steerer tube when you get it the way you want it but it hard to make it longer.

    I sat on a ML before I bought one and kind of figured out what stem length I wanted to start with. Measuring the seat to handlebar length on your existing bike is a good starting point and then the dealer can put on a stem that is close to what you need (a good dealer will work with your provided info and get you as close a fit as he can long distance). If you need to go shorter or longer on a stem later you can usually work with your dealer or a LBS to swap out for a different stem.

    The X-9 rear der upgrade was not much $ and I thought is was good "bang for the buck" which is also why I bought a ML complete. I also bought a lizzard skin chainstay protector and a spare derailer hanger with the bike (might as well get that stuff at the same time).

    My ML complete came with a RP23 shock standard which is nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister
    Wow! I've been exchanging email with a few of the shops in the thread, and they all seem to be sincere and commited to providing great service.

    Now I'll feel guilty having to choose one over the others!

    I guess this is a good example of why competition is a good thing.

    I appreciate the notion that Biker Bob is willing to swap parts around. He has a great reputation. I'm not real certain why I'd want to though, given the standard ML stuff is pretty good to begin with.

    Question: How do the "mail order" shops handle the issue of trimming steerer tubes?

    It would be a huge drag to get it irrevocably wrong. Do they just leave it at standard length and let the customer have it trimmed locally or do they have a magic formula that gets it right every time?

    Also, what a great resource this forum is. There are so many people here who share info and advice, just for the price of asking. It's terrific!
    Its a good problem to have, Bob, Troy and Chad are all first class to deal with. They are the real deal, seldom seen in this day and age.........

    As always, thats what this big family is about, you will be helping others before you know it, remember that....

    Get the steerer slightly longer as people have mentioned, you cna then play around with the stack, the fine tuning can make or break a comfy steed. It will not be hard to get the steerer trimmed once you settle for the correct height...

    Enjoy the journey gettign the new ML, please post the team pictures when it arrives....
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    Chad, Bob, Eric, and Charles are all first rate bike retailers..........you cannot go wrong with any of them. Personally I deal with Chad, but I have talked with the other three and as everyone has stated they all seem to go that extra mile for their customers. My view would be pick the one who will do the swap outs or parts that you want and who has the frame available the fastest.
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    Say What ???

    Sorry buddy but youve lost me ...
    Good luck with whatever you buy and ride .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw04snow
    Sorry buddy but youve lost me ...
    Good luck with whatever you buy and ride .....

    Allow me to help you out... in other words....



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    Dude, if you are saying that you don't want a ML because of what some others are saying in other threads then you will probably end up buying a Segway because all of these forums are open to true mountain bikers that sometimes have disagreements with each other. But to write off a particular bike because of this is ludicrous. I assure you that the kindness shown to you by members on this forum is genuine. The 3 retailers mentioned do a great service for the Titus family. Not only will they let you buy a bike (notice I did not say, "sell you a bike".) They also help keep your lbs honest. I don't understand how someone on these threads could get you to change your mind about a certain bike or company. If so then you are missing out on the best FS bike design on the market. But, maybe a ML isn't for you. I'm sure there is a Segway Bob that can help you with that purchase!

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    Nice one eddie

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    I think it's well deserved.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    I think it's well deserved.....
    you forgot to mention Sturdy's

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    Oh yeah AM, I forgot, Study's kick royal a$$ and they don't fit on Segways

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    By the way, I just noticed that I am surrounded by foreigners NZ and Australia. Oh, wait, to you two I'm the foreigner

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    By the way, I just noticed that I am surrounded by foreigners NZ and Australia. Oh, wait, to you two I'm the foreigner
    you're a Dixie , that ain't foreign

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    Yeah, but ya'll get to ride in all of the coolest places. I've seen the pictures. I drooled in envy. I have lusted in my heart. And ya'll just keep rubbing it in. In Alabama our highest point is about 3000 ft but I don't think you could ride on it. You guys get to ride everywhere...I'm so jealous . Maybe the guy above can bring his Segway to Alabama once he gets it and we'll go riding (Do they make knobbies for one of those things?) He could probably outclimb me but I'd kill him on the downhill on my ML

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    Yeah, but ya'll get to ride in all of the coolest places...
    you get to ride with blackie, that is cool, and your way cooool

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    Thanks, but I'm just a fat old fart that Blackie pities sometimes and waves hello as he is passing me. He is not as gravitationally challenged as I am.

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    Oh, and he is one the most intense and dedicated riders that I have seen anywhere. Just don't try to slow him down and you'll be okay.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    Thanks, but I'm just a fat old fart that Blackie pities sometimes and waves hello as he is passing me. He is not as gravitationally challenged as I am.
    all bet your know how to setup your suspension

    gravitationally challenged.... you hang out at the DJ's too ?~?

    blackie needs to have some fun... too much racer boi left in him i think... he needs to go and ride with geofoxlover

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    I think heredity caught up with me at about the age of 35. My metabolism just stopped. And I get no travel out of my suspension at all because it is always bottomed out (Just kidding) But Blackie doesn't slow down for anyone or it could be I don't speed up for anyone. Either way, I get left behind Now if he could just figure out HIS suspension...........

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    By the way.....Good night, AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    Dude, if you are saying that you don't want a ML because of what some others are saying in other threads then you will probably end up buying a Segway because all of these forums are open to true mountain bikers that sometimes have disagreements with each other. But to write off a particular bike because of this is ludicrous. I assure you that the kindness shown to you by members on this forum is genuine. The 3 retailers mentioned do a great service for the Titus family. Not only will they let you buy a bike (notice I did not say, "sell you a bike".) They also help keep your lbs honest. I don't understand how someone on these threads could get you to change your mind about a certain bike or company. If so then you are missing out on the best FS bike design on the market. But, maybe a ML isn't for you. I'm sure there is a Segway Bob that can help you with that purchase!
    Very true nice write up EJ... its his lost anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    By the way.....Good night, AM
    nighty night mate !~!~!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    I think heredity caught up with me at about the age of 35. My metabolism just stopped. And I get no travel out of my suspension at all because it is always bottomed out (Just kidding) But Blackie doesn't slow down for anyone or it could be I don't speed up for anyone. Either way, I get left behind Now if he could just figure out HIS suspension...........

    Even though I consider you more of a "personel friend" than just another "one of my fans" dosen't mean I can go breaking my flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Even though I consider you more of a "personel friend" than just another "one of my fans" dosen't mean I can go breaking my flow.

    your something else BA

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    Quote Originally Posted by barelylegal
    your something else BA

    That's for sure... But what!


    So are you BL... except in a good way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    That's for sure... But what!


    So are you BL... except in a good way!
    absolutely

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    Good night Wilma, night night Booby boy
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    New question here.

    What happened here?

    All I see is an edited response from Twister that says "Bye"

    It appears that Twister had more to his post (maybe down on Titus?) and it was edited.

    I am confused
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    Dealing with the immature rants is annoying but only a reflection of the posters.


    Dealing with the apparent drive line adjustment ambiguities is the deal killer. I hate fiddly drivelines that won't hold a gear without rattling.

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    I have had my Moto-lite complete for 3 months now and the driveline has been perfect - holds gears and no rattling. My bike came with FSA cranks with external bearings (std on ML complete) installed by Biker Bob and has been great. I have not taken the cranks off or done any adjustments becasue they are fine the way they are.

    I have read most of the other post about the XTR cranks and driveline issues and am still not sure what the problem is with his bike. Others have the same XTR cranks and run fine. I know the editior of Mtn Bike Action has a Exogrid ML with all XTR and did not mention any problems in his review.

    The ML complete was a big expenditure for me (I moved from a $900 bike) and every time I ride it I still think I made a great choice. I really like this bike.

    I would not let one persons issues overweigh all the other positive experiences with the ML and put a damper on your "Lust".

    Good luck with whatever bike you get.
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    The ML drive line is anything but "fiddly". Give me a break with this guy!

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    Did you miss the post on the last page where Titus offered chirochris a full refund or to replace his rear triangle? What crappy service.

    Maybe these bikes will be more to your liking.

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    To imply a bike could recieve all the awards it has and have drivetrain issues related to the frame as a design problem is ludicrous. Rethink it's popularity and consider a bad one or 2 could have been made that were certainly handled by the company.

    No company makes a perfect product 100% of the time. Ever.
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