• 11-15-2012
    johnybutts
    TMBRA Marathon Series - Roll Call
    who else is in?
  • 11-15-2012
    HAL 9000
    Already on it!

    RHR to Bastrop SP Loop

    Buescher SP to Bastrop SP training loop

    Plan on doing Fat Chuck's Revenge, Excruciation Exam 2013, Miles of DisComfort along with the "Epic loop" out in Lajitas in Feb and the ouachita challenge.

    I've never been successful at marathon events in the past because I treated them as a long XC race and would do fantastic at first passing racers left and right then a few hours into it the wheels would fall off the cart and it was a death march.

    Taking a whole new approach this time miles and elevation plan for this weekend is to do four back to back big loops out at double lake that's all of the "old" trail and enter the new trails at Henry Lake north and do the new stuff pop out at the trail of woe and do it all over again that should give us approx 40+ miles.

    Working on getting what to eat while riding down also.
  • 11-15-2012
    johnybutts
    Did you see this HAL? https://www.bikereg.com/NET/17579/20...e-at-Pace-Bend

    I might be attending that, since I'm spending thanksgiving in smithville anyways.

    You and I have the same schedule I think. Fat Chuck's, EE, and DisComfort. If you want to do any training rides or anything let me know. I have no off-road riding partners so it would be awesome to get some!
  • 11-23-2012
    HAL 9000
    Here is how we spent Thanksgiving Untitled by wmoritz1 at Garmin Connect - Details
  • 11-28-2012
    exploder
    I am going to the Rocky Hill Ranch doing the half. First timer for me.
  • 11-28-2012
    johnybutts
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by exploder View Post
    I am going to the Rocky Hill Ranch doing the half. First timer for me.

    Awesome! I hope to get out there maybe somewhere Dec 7/8/9 to pre-ride and tune my rig. It even looks like they've got some sort of race/ride thing Dec 8 as well.

    Are you in Houston?

    I'm way too excited about mountain biking right now. Waiting for the new bike to be delivered sometime late this week.
  • 11-28-2012
    HAL 9000
    you might want to look at the website they got events stacked up every weekend from now till the marathon.

    Rocky Hill Ranch - The Mountain Biking Outdoor Events Capital of Texas | Rocky Hill Ranch

    no guarantees that you'll get to ride if there is an event going on
  • 11-28-2012
    johnybutts
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    you might want to look at the website they got events stacked up every weekend from now till the marathon.

    Rocky Hill Ranch - The Mountain Biking Outdoor Events Capital of Texas | Rocky Hill Ranch

    no guarantees that you'll get to ride if there is an event going on

    Well, Dec 7,8,9 would be the only weekend I could do it. Dec 15 is the race. I can take the Friday off to go before and my understanding is that there's no event on Sunday. I wouldn't think the event will tie up the park for two adjacent days, am I wrong? Could always take a weekday off too...
  • 11-28-2012
    exploder
    I am in east texas 5 hours away from the race location. I will be riding a full suspension bike for the first time as well.
  • 11-28-2012
    Afrobiker
    I'm also planning on Fat Chuck's and the E2 for training and fun. Been spending more time on long 3+ hr rides rather than some quick paced 1.5-2 hr rides a la XC style.

    Like Hal, trying to figure out how to spread the endurance over more time and not blow up after 'XC' standard time. I'm also thinking of doing a relaxed pre E2 type ride before the main event. Test some nutritional things, hopefully ride my new wheel set, and just have fun before the XC spring series starts back up.

    Johnnybutts- you'll love both Rocky Hill and Warda. Great trails, good amount of techy stuff, flowy stuff and just enough pain.
  • 11-29-2012
    HAL 9000
    Here is the 2012 Fat Chucks Marathon course map.

    Fat Chucks Revenge race coarse for 2012 by PaulRHR at Garmin Connect - Details

    I downloaded it to my garmin 800 thinking I'd ride it between now and the race

    oh well...

    Quote:

    OK, I have arrows on all the main turns and trail heads. We are pretty much using everything we have out here plus some jeep roads that trails that I open up for the Austin Rattler.
    Remember it is marked for pre ride. So look for the arrows when you come up to a trail or turn. When I get back from AZ I will close off and get it ready for racing.
    Paul Uhl
    TMBRA - Rider Board :: View topic - Fat Chuck's Revenge....Map?
  • 12-06-2012
    CBRsteve
    I did the Camp Eagle event last week, that was badass. It was the first time I'd ever ridden that trail system... the most demanding ride I've ever done.

    I planned on doing Fat Chucks as well but unfortunately my daughters first dance recital is the 15th at 1pm... not gonna work.

    I want to do the EE, but I'm not sure I can tackle 85 miles yet... that's a looong ride on a mountain bike. Heck, I've only done 5 rides longer than that on my road bike!
  • 12-06-2012
    johnybutts
    I will be up in Smithville to pre-ride on Saturday. Anyone else gonna be up there?
  • 12-06-2012
    HAL 9000
    from TMBRA.org about the E2 2013

    Quote:

    Yes. Permit will be finalized today and BikeReg up by the end of the week. Same basic times/format as before on January 5.
    Pretty sure we are going to cap registration at 175 as that's about the limit to do this safely.
    BikeReg is now open:

    https://www.bikereg.com/Net/17836
  • 12-11-2012
    h3hound
    in for Fat Chucks.

    1st marathon.
  • 12-11-2012
    johnybutts
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by h3hound View Post
    in for Fat Chucks.

    1st marathon.

    Ditto. I'm getting SUPER excited.
  • 12-11-2012
    Afrobiker
    same. y'all both doing the full? 44 miles of Rocky Hill seems like a great way to spend 4-6 hours in the saddle!
  • 12-11-2012
    johnybutts
    Yes full.
  • 12-16-2012
    HAL 9000
    well...how was it?
  • 12-16-2012
    Afrobiker
    pretty good. Fought off the cramps until about mile 34 then had to back off pretty good. ended up 6th in my age group with a 4:45 time. Definitely happy for my first ever marathon.

    Now I'm wondering what I need to do in order to prepare for the EE.
  • 12-16-2012
    HAL 9000
    Was doing well until cramps :nonod: caught up to a slower group in black trac one of them stalled out on the last grinder climb and caused a chain reaction stoppage right when i unclipped and put my foot down my calf locked up with a cramp I was in pain the entire second lap when everything started to cramp up forearms and legs.

    It really affected my second lap the energy and lungs were there and hydration and nutrition were good but I had to spin a couple gears easier to keep the legs going and small decent where you can normally recover and coast down would lock the legs up so I had to pedal down everything.

    My goal was to finish under 4 hours the climb up fat chucks, the fence line climb and black trac section were my undoing in the second lap and where I lost a ton of time compared to the first lap on those same sections.

    Distance: 43.12 mi
    Time: 4:37:00
    Avg Speed: 9.3 mph
    Elevation Gain: 2,703 ft

    Split Time Distance Avg Speed
    1 58:30.0 10.00 10.3
    2 58:11.6 10.00 10.3
    3 1:10:03.9 10.00 8.6
    4 1:08:13.5 10.00 8.8
    5 22:01.4 3.12 8.5

    Nevertheless I left everything I had out there It was frustration to see folks that I blew by on the first lap going by me on the second that's racing...
  • 12-17-2012
    johnybutts
    My first full Marathon.
    Finished in something like 4:38. 5th in the age group.

    I went and pre-rode last weekend and did 1 lap then. I felt good/strong, course felt good as well. Well the first lap of the race felt absolutely nothing like the pre-ride. When I finished my first lap, it felt like I had been out there for 4 hours. I REALLY did not want to do another lap.

    One of my buddies was standing int he feed zone, he was a singlespeeder and he said he wasn't going to do another lap. I sat down for about 5 minutes. Chugged a few gu's. Used the bathroom. And continued debating whether or not I'd do another lap.

    Eventually a cute lady came rolling through the feed zone and my buddy said, "there goes your motivation". So I got back on and rolled the next lap. Cramping started about 3/4 the way through the second lap but really didn't become an issue. I had to stop at one of the stations for water towards the end.

    Physically, I was mostly fine. I mean, everything hurt, but the legs were mostly there. What I couldn't do was choose my own lines. I seriously messed up every single corner when I wasn't following someone else. I'm not what the reason for this was. I think I should have been a *little* better than I was.

    thoughts: tire pressure, I can't remember what I ran during the pre-ride, but I did 30/32 f/r in tubeless @ 170 lbs, I probably could have brought this down a little bit. Focus, I was not focused far enough ahead of myself, focus too close means I was never set up for the upcoming trail, and thus, never did well. I followed the lady's wheel for about 3/4 of the second lap, until I cramped. I could followe her lines perfectly fine. (get your mind out the gutter). and maybe for these marathons, I just need to settle down and treat it less as a race at the beginning. Settle, dial in my skills, then race.

    Anyways, lots of fun. Gotta get ready for EE. #instabase
  • 12-17-2012
    Afrobiker
    HAL- Nice splits. I had around the same splits @ about 1:03-1:08 every 10mi. Avg. speed 8.6, but my elevation was 1k ft more off? I ended up with 3800 something. I kept hearing that Garmins lose signal out there but mine tracked perfectly.

    Johnny- what age group? did we race together in 19-29s? I'm 175 and ran 28/30 f/r(and it felt PERFECT), you definitely could have gone softer. I bet you were following Sarah Ginsbach, lol.

    My race thoughts: I knew not to go out as hard off the start like a XC, though I probably could have gone just a bit harder. I used the first 5-6 miles to really warmup and let the heart rate dial itself in. I felt great legs and form wise through the first lap. I could sense little cramps start creeping up here and there but I was running Cytomax and Perpeteum as liquid nutrition, so I'd just take a couple swigs. 2nd lap felt great, was sitting on an older guys wheel for a good while(I got really lonely out there for a while lol) then took off until I couldn't fight the cramps. Pulled off twice for stretch and extra water at the neutral stops, then just finished strong.

    Biggest difference I noticed from XC to marathon- I was WAY too nice. I stopped and gave a guy my big air can, let a bunch of 30+ pass "just for the heck of it" and wouldn't use their momentum. Granted it's bike karma, I felt like a newbie when I finished and thought about it later, even though I also heard there were a bunch of times people weren't being allowed to pass and pissed off A LOT of riders. Marathons really test your mental sanity! I've never felt myself get so "lonely" on a ride. Maybe it had to do with the endless feeling in the back half of RHR, albeit really beautiful.

    EE!!
  • 12-17-2012
    johnybutts
    Afro: yes 19-29. I must have just finished a coulpe minutes ahead of you!

    And yes, it was Sarah. She was very nice and good company for the second lap.

    I think the 'loneliness' really got to me too. As well as "perceived speed". I was getting passed nonstop by the 30ers and 40ers, which made my perceived speed slow. combined with the fact that I couldn't hold any of their wheels = very lonely riding by myself.

    I'll have to work on my pressure dialing. Normally I run it a little lower, but I was out at memorial park the day before and hit the tires a few times pretty hard on roots, so felt I should up the pressure a bit. Maybe not.

    I'm honestly kinda scared of EE, but another friend was tellign me it is on par with FCR since a lot of it is road.
  • 12-17-2012
    HAL 9000
    I'm 180lbs and run 23psi tubeless on S Works renegades 29x2.0 can't imagine 30+ psi

    Johnybutts were you in the Tad Hughes kit? following the lady in the WTF blue jersey on a one ghost 29er? Y'all had been chasing me all through tris cross and omar's howl I waved y'all by finally when we were hitting that sandy section on the double track in the back i was cramping that bad.

    I followed y'all but she took off on a short rise and I think if thats where the guy in the Tad Hughes kit let her go also.

    Afrobiker passing was a huge PITA!! one reason is they have all categories out there mixed along with folks not used to passing etiquette like everyone else I was caught up in a clusterf*ck conga-line of riders going up fat chucks as we caught the back markers of the 30-39 group.

    once on the jeep road we drilled it and got in a good group of five of us but had difficulty passing riders that we came upon then there was the whole incident with the half marathon riders that came upon us and were yelling at perhaps eight riders in the longhorn loop to let them pass.

    they needed a much longer parade lap to stretch things out and have at least 2 min. between classes and have the 1/2 marathon start 10 min. later
  • 12-17-2012
    HAL 9000
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by johnybutts View Post

    I'm honestly kinda scared of EE, but another friend was tellign me it is on par with FCR since a lot of it is road.

    It's easy to get caught up in the excitement of the start folks go out XC race pace through warda and hit the road with adrenalin and drill it by the time they get to RHR they have burned up most of their matches and it's a death slog all the way back.

    I've done good and bad at the EE in the past the last one I did I was cooked by the time I got to RHR before that time I was passing folks from the gun at warda only till I got to RHR did I notice that I was now going in reverse bad for the mental game.

    Since there is so much road on the EE don't get caught up in the temptation of getting into a paceline early on that has been my downfall in the past YMMV .
  • 12-17-2012
    johnybutts
    Yes! I was in the Tad Hughes kit. I'm really not sure when I got dropped by her. It was definitely some uphill. I yo-yoed for quite a while before she finally cut the string.
  • 12-17-2012
    HAL 9000
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by johnybutts View Post
    Yes! I was in the Tad Hughes kit. I'm really not sure when I got dropped by her. It was definitely some uphill. I yo-yoed for quite a while before she finally cut the string.

    I was following y'all and it was when you take a sharp left then up a short grinder you popped off and then i can't recall if you went on ahead or I went around you on the following decent with the sandy left hand sweeper.

    A lot of stuff on the second lap is a blur.
  • 12-17-2012
    Afrobiker
    haha! I know where you passed me up Johnny. The end of Omar's, I had to hop off for a couple seconds to get a cramp out, about 45 seconds later Sarah and you come by me along with 3 others that were trying to hang with her. I caught the last couple guys but I'm not surprised I didn't catch you or Sarah.

    HAL- I agree on the parade start loop and start times. Bottle necking happened way too quickly! My buddy in the 40+(and eventual winner) saw that him and his 'train' were coming up quick and gave me a good amount of heads up. 6-8 guys flew past me...

    As for EE, yea I kinda feel the same. I'll be looking at just getting A LOT of solid Zone 3 miles with plenty of recovery work in it, before then.
  • 12-17-2012
    exploder
    It was my first half marathon and I really enjoyed it. Placed 14th in 19-39 and learned a lot about my pacing nearing the end. I did stop once early on to fish a c02 out of my camel back for another rider that I saw had issues with his. I felt glad knowing I stopped instead of blowing by him and I hope he finished the race.
  • 12-17-2012
    johnybutts
    Congrats Exploder!
  • 12-18-2012
    HAL 9000
    Anyone know who the jackasses were in the hotel san jose kits doing the 1/2 marathon? They came up upon our group of four somewhere in tris cross and omars howl and proceeded to yell at us for not picking up the pace and not letting them easily by so they had to leap frog past each of us yelling the entire time. karma is a ***** because we caught them on the side of the trail with flats and no c02 a little later.

    They should of started the 1/2 marathon folks further back from the full marathon folks as to avoid the faster 1/2 marathon racers riding up on the full marathon folks setting a different pace.
  • 12-18-2012
    Afrobiker
    no clue, but I remember him doing the same to me...and then asking for air later.

    I also remember him being the same jack ass that was doing the same hoop and holler at the Waco XC, and pissed off A LOT of people. Almost got DQ'd by Jens because of the complaints.

    I also don't understand why someone like him(and other Cat 1 racers) were sandbaggin the half.
  • 12-18-2012
    HAL 9000
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Afrobiker View Post

    I also don't understand why someone like him(and other Cat 1 racers) were sandbaggin the half.

    I've always looked at the 1/2 marathon as a way for newer riders and such a way to introduce themselves into longer events.

    a CAT 3 racer who's only used to doing and hour event or 10 mile race is gonna have a big challenge doing 40+ miles and riding off road for 4+ hours that is why they have a 1/2 marathon for folks not ready to make the leap.

    I've got no issues with other category racers doing the 1/2 marathon if that's what they want to do just don't be a jerk to those having to pace themselves for a longer event.
  • 12-18-2012
    johnybutts
    One thing I like abotu the Mtb side of things, is that it's much less category oriented. Road is hyper category oriented. And marathon is the exact opposite. Open, and whatever else. Plus, there's no prize money on the line for 95% of racers.

    That's the long version to me saying that I dont care who races half.

    As for the start times - Go mention it to Tobin/Tmbra. I doubt they're reading this.
  • 12-18-2012
    baconismidog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    Anyone know who the jackasses were in the hotel san jose kits doing the 1/2 marathon? They came up upon our group of four somewhere in tris cross and omars howl and proceeded to yell at us for not picking up the pace and not letting them easily by so they had to leap frog past each of us yelling the entire time. karma is a ***** because we caught them on the side of the trail with flats and no c02 a little later.

    They should of started the 1/2 marathon folks further back from the full marathon folks as to avoid the faster 1/2 marathon racers riding up on the full marathon folks setting a different pace.

    Is this the kit?
    Team Hotel San Jose
  • 12-18-2012
    HAL 9000
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by baconismidog View Post
    Is this the kit?
    Team Hotel San Jose

    Yup that's the one one guy was tattooed up the other just a prick.

    Hey I'm a big boy and have been racing since 97' so I've been there done done that and have been on both sides of being fast and being pissed about slower racers.

    I've had guys come up and apologize when it was not needed post race and i can relate to the frustration of being behind trail clots there is a good sportsmanship way of dealing with it and then there is a way of being a c*cksucker way.

    I don't need some a-hole yelling at us when there is nothing to do in tight singletrack when a place to pass opens i'll gladly let you by don't force me into a tree or ditch.
  • 12-19-2012
    2000Z3M
    Miles of DisComfort here I come! Anyone ride out there before? I am on an AM rig that weights in at 30 pounds with a 36X11-34, should I change my gearing for the race?
  • 12-19-2012
    HAL 9000
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 2000Z3M View Post
    I am on an AM rig that weights in at 30 pounds with a 36X11-34, should I change my gearing for the race?

    Exactly how fun it going to be climbing 54 miles on a 30lb bike no matter what gearing?

    I've taken my SS bike out there with a 34x18 and it was a hella workout for one complete upper and lower loop I can't imagine a 30lb bike doing the upper lower then upper.

    oh well run what ya brung
  • 12-19-2012
    johnybutts
    Don't listen to him 2000Z. You can do it! I did the half a couple years ago on a singlespeed. I simply didnt know any better at the time. I was 32x16. It hurt very bad.

    If I remember correctly, most all the climbing is pretty clean. There are a few drops and such though.
  • 12-19-2012
    2000Z3M
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    Exactly how fun it going to be climbing 54 miles on a 30lb bike no matter what gearing?

    I've taken my SS bike out there with a 34x18 and it was a hella workout for one complete upper and lower loop I can't imagine a 30lb bike doing the upper lower then upper.

    oh well run what ya brung

    very fun, I enjoy a little pain ;). I am going to knock out the 1/2. I did a 36 mile race out here in about 3h40min a few months about out in san angelo and had a blast.
  • 12-27-2012
    bamwa
    I was lucky enough to ride the sag car in last year. After all the $'s I've given to tmbra,
    I deserved a lift back to the start. My crank arm fell off with pedal still on shoe halfway through, and butt just couldnt take 5 more miles. Not sure about 2013 just yet. Live medium.
  • 12-30-2012
    johnybutts
    im gonna register for EE right now.
  • 12-31-2012
    HAL 9000
    Santa brought this



    Been out in the desert testing it...



    legs and liver sore from the workout out in Lajitas this last week.
  • 12-31-2012
    h3hound
    i thought fat chucks was fun - although it was not a great race for me.

    about 15 miles from the end i pedal-struck a log and actually broke a crank bros eggbeater. :madman: still i was able to semi-clip in on one quadrant - hard climbing was out of the question. it made the last of the ride a little interesting but i was going slow at that point anyway.

    i hope to make it out to comfort.
  • 12-31-2012
    Afrobiker
    HAL, are you from Houston? If so, didn't you and your wife also just pick up '13 Epics in that same color?

    Incredibly jealous of that new rig. It makes my carbon HT stumpy look silly.

    No EE for me. Not ready for that kinda distance this time around. XC season prep has commenced!
  • 12-31-2012
    HAL 9000
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Afrobiker View Post
    HAL, are you from Houston? If so, didn't you and your wife also just pick up '13 Epics in that same color?

    She has a 13' S Works epic in red I've got a 11' S Works epic that I'm having the "brains" serviced by Specialized so I can eBay it in January and use the proceeds to get me a 13' S Works epic in red also so not yet but coming soon...
  • 12-31-2012
    CBRsteve
    Hal, are you by chance Mr KIA on noisy hub club? I live near him and occasionally ride with Spider Patrol. I also troll NHC website. :-)

    I'm still not ready for EE but will be doing the 1/2 marathon at Comfort and am also doing the 4 hour endurance at Lundsay park on Saturday.

    Looking forward to both races...
  • 01-01-2013
    HAL 9000
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CBRsteve View Post
    Hal, are you by chance Mr KIA on noisy hub club?

    Yep

  • 01-01-2013
    CBRsteve
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    Yep

    I saw the same bike/locale photos on both sites.... and well, you know I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 4. :thumbsup: