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    Tire width in Texas.

    I've been running 2.1 and 2.2 tires for years now and because of the dirt we have here in north texas there is often a lot of slide or washout. I'm an XC rider, speed through the corners and on flats is my biggest concern.

    Our trails up here are very dusty over the top of hard pack and I'm wondering if a wider tire with more bite on the cornering knobs will improve handling through those dusty sections.

    If you have any experience with a wide profile, fast rolling tire please recommend it! I've been considering a Maxxis Ardent 2.4 as a starter.

    I know tire choice is a personal preference, I just want some feedback from others who may have tried a wide profile tire.

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    You might want to think about another tire besides an Ardent. Those grip great in the middle and truly awesome when leaned waaaay over, but there is some space between the middle treads and the edge ones. You lose grip big-time when you only have to moderately lean. I'd rather go for a Specialized Purgatory or Ground Control in 2.3.

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    I rock a 2.4 ardent on the front of my HT (2.25 ardent in the rear) and really like the setup.

    Having said that, I'm also running 2.3 spec purgatory and ground control F/R on my FS bike and like that setup just a little more than the ardents for reasons stated above.

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    Tire width in Texas.

    Thanks for the input guys. Most everyone I know runs 2.2 or less. I'm really interested in testing this out to see what I think. I've also heard great stuff about the Panaracer's.


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    You did not say how wide your rims are or if you are running tubeless. Lower tire pressure will usually give you a bigger contact patch, hence more cornering power. At some point lower air pressure increases rolling resistance, which means you have to work a little harder. You might have to experiment to find the sweet spot.

    A big gain might be running wider rims. Typically, a modern wider rim means the tire has a better shape (more rounded) and therefore better traction with no additional resistance. I recently started working for American Classic and they gave me some demo road wheels that have a 22mm wide rim (Argents). They are amazing - I can corner and brake much better than the same tires on my old 15mm wide rims.

    In that vein, American Classic has come out with a new rim called the Wide Lightening. As soon as I can afford it I'm going to ditch the Bontrager Race Lights (narrow) that came with my Intense and switch to the AC 32mm Wide Lighting. WIDE LIGHTNING|29 TUBELESS

    According to the AC guys in the know, you can run a smaller tire (lighter) and get all the benefits of a big contact patch that would come from a bigger, and heavier, tire.

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    Shawn, I live here in dfw, and I use a 2.4 Ardent on the front w flow ex's on my FS and an ardent on my cheap laserdisc wheel set on my SS. I'm tubeless weigh about 280 and run 25#'s or so on the front tire. It rolls really good and digs in nicely on turns. I run 2.1 or 2.2 tires out back. Rarely do I wash out anymore. -Mike

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    Tire width in Texas.

    Thanks FullsizeMike, I definitely appreciate the suggestion. I've got a 2.25 Ardent on the way, I wanted a 2.4 but they were out.


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    I run a Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35 front, Continental mountain king 2.4 ( Conti's actually runs smaller, more like 2.2 ) in the back. I prefer wider in the front and narrower in the back...I like a meaty tire for sure, but I don't race either!

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    I really disliked the 2.25 ardent in the front it was extremely crash prone for me. It was fine in the back because even if it broke loose it was ok.

    Im running a nobby nic 2.3 up front and a ground control 2.1 in back. Its a good combo for austin. Hans dampf was awesome but heavy. The nic gives up some traction but is overall still ok.

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    Live in Austin and we get a coating of moondust whenever things get really dry. For loose sand over hardpack, you need a tire that has big enough knobs to punch though the top layer. I am really liking the Bontrager XR4 in the front with an Ardent in the back.

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    Hey Shawn, I ride the Ardent 2.4 in the front with a Maxxis Ikon 2.25 on the rear mounted on Stans ZTR EX Arches. I ride where you ride. I've seen you a few times at River Legacy and Northshore. The 2.4 is wonderful when not too loose on hard pack. When RLP has some tack to it, this tire rails.

    It also exhibits some degree of under steer when pushed hard. By that I mean it sometimes has a propensity to grab and turn deeper into the turn. At first, I found this alarming, but after some testing and trials to force it to do this, I adapted to this characteristic and now I love it. Additionally, my first ride or two, this tire felt like a truck tire on the front. All this aside, I do like the tire.

    Trying to find tires that are really adapted to riding this area is definitely a 'Work in Progress'. I'm always in pursuit for the right tire for the right conditions for any given place to ride. For the MetroMess it seems for me, to be an endless trial and error endeavor.
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    Tire width in Texas.

    I was on an ardent 2.4 with an Ignitor 2.1 in the back. It was good but the ardent was slow for Texas trails. I loved it on the damp hilly trails in AR. Now I have a conti x-king 2.4 with an Ikon 2.2 in the rear. It is better for our Dallas trails and I will see this weekend how it fares on the Womble and the LOVIT in AR.


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    Tire width in Texas.

    Thank you guys for the input.

    Ive picked up a few options to play with. A specialized ground control 2.3, Maxxis ardent 2.25, Geax saguaro 2.2, and Geax AKA 2.2.

    Since I just built up a singlespeed and need tires on it whatever tires I don't use on the race bike will go on there.

    So far I've only tried the ground control/AKA combination and haven't really been able to pin it yet. The aka is a little too loose for race preference so I'll probably try the ardent and saguaro in the rear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawnskee22 View Post
    Thank you guys for the input.

    Ive picked up a few options to play with. A specialized ground control 2.3, Maxxis ardent 2.25, Geax saguaro 2.2, and Geax AKA 2.2.


    So far I've only tried the ground control/AKA combination and haven't really been able to pin it yet. The aka is a little too loose for race preference so I'll probably try the ardent and saguaro in the rear.
    Regarding tires...everyone is going to have an opinion about them. Regarding the Geax AKA's...I have some personal thoughts about those.

    As you know, Texas summers can be dry and dusty with little or no moisture on the trails and I picked these up as something that would hopefully provide a better ride on loose dry stuff. For that reason alone, they seem to perform as intended, but push them and you'll find they have their limits. They seem to transition to moist and damp with unenthusiastic results. When pushed in the dry, loose stuff, they demonstrate predictable drift and slide, but give them roots and rocks and the results become less desirable. Add some dampness or even slightly wet and they get unstable and can provide some adrenaline inducing moments. Personally, any application beyond the dry loose stuff exhibits unfavorable mannerisms that do not inspire confidence. On anything wet they will provoke adrenaline spikes and fear.
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    Re: Tire width in Texas.

    Quote Originally Posted by greenblur View Post
    Live in Austin and we get a coating of moondust whenever things get really dry. For loose sand over hardpack, you need a tire that has big enough knobs to punch though the top layer. I am really liking the Bontrager XR4 in the front with an Ardent in the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawnskee22 View Post
    Thank you guys for the input.

    Ive picked up a few options to play with. A specialized ground control 2.3, Maxxis ardent 2.25, Geax saguaro 2.2, and Geax AKA 2.2.

    Since I just built up a singlespeed and need tires on it whatever tires I don't use on the race bike will go on there.

    So far I've only tried the ground control/AKA combination and haven't really been able to pin it yet. The aka is a little too loose for race preference so I'll probably try the ardent and saguaro in the rear.


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    Shawn, check out Ardent Race 2.25. I just picked up a pair and am loving them both as front and rear tire for more techy XC (Big Cedar/IDB/Boulder). Very predictable like IKON but burlier side knobs for more aggressive leaning. Very good rolling resistance. And there are no noticeable gaps in tread coverage that induce knob squirm in corners.
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    I have been running the wtb velociraptor 2.1 tires and am thinking very hard about getting the 2.3 weirwolfs. I tried the small block 8, which got re named the suck block 8. I'm just riding Dino state park and solovaca.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakerfreese View Post
    I have been running the wtb velociraptor 2.1 tires and am thinking very hard about getting the 2.3 weirwolfs. I tried the small block 8, which got re named the suck block 8. I'm just riding Dino state park and solovaca.
    What others tires do you like for Dino? Have any opinions or feedback on those?

    At DVSP, I'm on an Ardent 2.4 front that I like and have thought a 2.25 for the back. I'm running an Ikon 2.2 on back now. Seem to roll easy pretty and fast, but the Ikon has it's moments when momentum deteriorates in the steeper loose stuff (18 - 20 psi tubeless). The Crossmarks on the rear have done me well too at DVSP.
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    I have been pretty happy with the velociraptors, but they do suffer on the hard pack and not the best on rolling resistance. The small block 8 was awesome after it firmed up and dried from a good rain, but one it started to loosen back up it was like having street tires. I think I'm going to order the weirwolfs next week. I've just got to make the decision to go tubeless or not now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakerfreese View Post
    I have been pretty happy with the velociraptors, but they do suffer on the hard pack and not the best on rolling resistance. The small block 8 was awesome after it firmed up and dried from a good rain, but one it started to loosen back up it was like having street tires. I think I'm going to order the weirwolfs next week. I've just got to make the decision to go tubeless or not now.
    Jake, I can tell by the way you slant your 'R's that you must be somewhat in the local area near DVSP.

    And the tubeless issue...I'm guessing that you're on tubes now? Do you have tubeless ready wheels? Having any pinch flat issues?
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    Yeah I'm not too far from there! Nope have not had a pinch flat in a long time. I do not have tubeless ready wheels. I screwed up severely buying a new wheel set that wasn't.

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    My point is that if you're not having problems with pinch flats and you're ok with the tire pressures that you're running then there might not be a significantly good reason to go tubeless. I have ridden for years with tubes just using (Wal-Mart available) slime in my tubes with no problems. My main reason for going tubeless was to run lower tire pressures. I could ride hassle-free on sealant filled tubes with no complaints if not for the pinch flat issues.

    Iím on tubeless, but personally, I think for many, itís over-rated. Tubed slime never needs to be serviced and doesnít dry up. You never have to pull your tires and get all the Stanís boogers out and re-service. My wife has slime tubes on her Yeti and can run 20 Ė 23 psi without risk of pinch flats (sheís only 110 lbs.). She never gets flats and rides DVSP with regularity. Ridding at DVSP is a flat waiting to happen.

    Aside from the issues outlined, you probably should be at least running sealant in your tubes. DVSP is not a good place to be stuck in the far north corner with a flat on your second tube of the day.
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    The current tubes are not slimed, I think my last batch of tubes were bad, had them splitting down the seams. Yeah Dino and solo can really be a flat waiting to happen. I'll probably stick to tubes, especially tires being half the price...

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    Jake, PM me sometime if interested in ridding DVSP sometime. I ride there with some regularity. Usually on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, but occasionally a late Friday afternoon. When it really starts getting hot we will sometimes drive out there pre-dawn with themosíd hot coffee and watch the sun rise. Then and hit the trails just after sun provides a little light.

    Do you night ride? I have been wanting to do a night ride there, but havenít yet. Itís a great place to night hike on a full moon.
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    I will. Need to get back in shape bad! I need to get a new light setup, hoping for some early am riding this year to beat the heat.

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    I tried a couple of WTB tires, Panaracer, Nevegals, some of the Maxxis tires and by far the Mountain Kings have worked out the best for me. Decently fast rolling, great grip, and very comfortable when leaned over.

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    Rim width is definitely a big factor. On 29ers, I don't think you need to run as beefy of a tire as the contact patch is naturally larger especially on a wider rim. I just finished riding at reveille peak on some very familiar runs after swapping back to the tires I first had on my bike over a year ago but now on a wider rim. Originally ran Stans arch ex and now running Chinese carbon wider rims. Nobby nic 2.25 TLR evo pacestar front (an OEM tire) and ikon 2.2 exo rear.
    Just took off a 2.35 snakeskin Hans Dampf front and 2.35 ikon exo rear. Bike is back to being way more flickable in corners, obviously climbs easier, but suprisingly felt like it floated over some chunk easier. The flickable aspect felt great on corners downs and chunk more so than I thought it would.


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    Got a Specialized Butcher Control 2.3", and a Specialized Purgatory 2.3" 27.5 on order, making the switch to tubeless as well. Luckily the wife has me on domestic yardwork lockdown...so I'm too occupied to be too anxious about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakerfreese View Post
    Dino and solo can really be a flat waiting to happen. I'll probably stick to tubes
    especially tires being half the price...

    gorilla tape, stans, and regular tires work just fine

    btw I run igniter front crossmark rear and feel using body english is better than any wider or knobbier tires
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    I also ride D.V.S.P., but usually on weekdays. I agree that there are plenty of flatting opportunities out there which is why I prefer larger casing tires. I made the switch to ghetto tubeless (standard rims and tires using rim strips and stans) about a month ago and so far I like the results. Not sure how much of a pita it will be to have to remember to add sealant every so often?? But definitely liking the lower pressure I can run.

    jakerfreese / cleared2land I drive a black toyota tacoma in case you happen to see it out there, would be cool to meet other dinoriders! I like the fact that they have put effort into adding to, naming and mapping the trails. If they would just keep the 4wheeler off the trails I met with the park ranger out there named Robert, who is heading up the improvements. He told me they are striving to minimize the 4wheelers use out on the singletrack. It is nice to have a mtb advocate at the park who also rides...

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    Yeah, it's really nice to see some changes taking place at DVSP. The renaming of the trails has lead to some confusion, but I think in long run, everything will work out just fine. The new maps are a considerable improvement over the old ones, but they somehow failed to print the intersections on the new maps. However, it is planned to be corrected on the next printing. One positive with the new map shows all of the trails in the northern part of the park that were not shown on the old maps.

    Robert is the Assistant Superintendent of DVSP. Fortunately, he has a deep background in mountain biking and has been very instrumental in spearheading the movement in trail revitalization there. He is very aware of the impact that the 4 wheelers are having on the singletrack. NOTE to the readers: the 4 wheelers being referred to here are Texas State Parks maintenance vehicles , NOT public use 4 wheelers which are not permitted.

    Robert and I too have discussed this 4 wheeler problem and the park is working to minimize use and impact. The problem is the balance necessary for the State Park to manage and maintain the property and keep the mountain bikers happy with unspoiled singletrack. They are aware of this problem, but it might get worse before it gets better, but they are aware of the problem and making a conscious effort to minimize the impact where necessary.

    The Park and Robert have begun working with DORBA in several phases to improve and expand the available trails there. In order for these change to take place, the 4 wheelers will need access on some of the singletrack to meet those goals. Additionally, there are plans in place to relocate some of the bike and hike trails away from the trails or double track (jeep road) necessary for 4 wheelers that will need to conduct maintenance.

    Currently DORBA is seeking individuals that might be interested in acting as possible trail stewards to assist at DVSP should anyone be interested. Contact Cash Anglin (VP of Trails) at DORBA for more information.
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    The Park and Robert have begun working with DORBA in several phases to improve and expand the available trails there. In order for these change to take place, the 4 wheelers will need access on some of the singletrack to meet those goals. Additionally, there are plans in place to relocate some of the bike and hike trails away from the trails or double track (jeep road) necessary for 4 wheelers that will need to conduct maintenance.

    We talked about this as well...I'm super stoked at the thought of some new trails as there is so much potential in the terrain out there! Even that new switchback that goes up to the scenic overlook built for the recent DORBA race that combines D.V.S.P.with Solavaca has added a new twist on my routine!
    I'm not a racer but love riding, especially D.V.S.P. and Cleburne S.P. Spend lots of time out there hiking, biking and kayaking. Don't know what I would do without the State Parks...

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    I wish where I work they would let us build some trails on the south side of the property. There could be some awesome trails build. They said absolutely no way.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakerfreese View Post
    I wish where I work they would let us build some trails on the south side of the property. There could be some awesome trails build. They said absolutely no way.....
    ?? Where do you work and who is they? Do you work for a State Park or something?
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    I work at a power plant that sits on about 8000 acres, bout 4000 on that south side that just has transmission right away and open land. Lots of up and down, could be a incredible area to build trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keithrad View Post
    We talked about this as well...I'm super stoked at the thought of some new trails as there is so much potential in the terrain out there! Even that new switchback that goes up to the scenic overlook built for the recent DORBA race that combines D.V.S.P.with Solavaca has added a new twist on my routine!
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    They haven't really added any new trails yet, just some bypasses and intersection cuts to assist in the flow. It sounds like you're referring to the bypass that was recently added going up the terraced technical rock climb to the west of 'B' intersection on the Cedar Break Outer Loop Trail (formally the White Trail)? The Fossil 50 race didn't go through that part of the trail though, but that's what I'm assuming you're talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakerfreese View Post
    I work at a power plant that sits on about 8000 acres, bout 4000 on that south side that just has transmission right away and open land. Lots of up and down, could be a incredible area to build trails.
    You're at Comanche Peak. From the Paluxy River Overlook (Hikers Only Trail) on the NNW part of the Paluxy, you can see the plant.
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    Yep, it's that whole south end. There are a few of us that are working on the management about it some more but no luck. The liability is one of the major concerns.

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    Pretty sure Robert said they added that switchback because as he said the pros couldn't make clean that rock section...I guess that doesn't mean they used that section in the race. I just assumed;-) Still would like to see some trail building out there and at Cleburne. Maybe just a pipe dream though!! I'll probably be out there Friday....

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    Quote Originally Posted by keithrad View Post
    Still would like to see some trail building out there and at Cleburne.


    I don't think ANYTHING will be happening at Cleburne State Park. Administration there is currently not being very cordial to the mountain bikers and cooperation appears to be deteriorating.
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    I ran 2.4 all around but I'm moving up to a 2.7 up front.

    I wanted a 2.5, but the 2.7's were on sale by quite a bit so I figured, since I'm not sure what I like, why not experience both ends of the spectrum and go from there?

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    Yeah, I know. DH in TX? Its fun, so I guess it works?


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