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    Austin Riders - What are you riding?

    Used to race in New England from 1995-2001, and then got back into mountain biking in 2012 while I was living in Austin.

    Have always owned 26", and opted for an Ibis Mojo SL when I got back into the sport.

    Curious to see what makes/models folks are riding around Austin these days. I see a lot of Niner, Trek, and Specialized on the trail. Anxious to see what else we have riding around here..

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    Ragley Blue Pig. 26" 150mm travel hardtail. I could either afford a well kitted out hardtail or a crap full suspension. I also got tired of having to pick around tech features I could easily bomb with a slack head angled and long travel bike. I've spent around $1400-1500 on it and only need to upgrade the crankset and rear drivetrain. What I have currently works, but is pretty outdated and will need replacing in the next year anyways. I'm not sure if I should go with a single ring up front and a 10 speed out back with a 40 or a 42 tooth cog or a 2x up front with a ten speed out back. Both set ups have their advantages and disadvantages.



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    I have a Salsa El Kaboing, that's due to get replaced this fall. I'm thinking 120mm-150mm 27.5", not set on a brand yet.

    I also have a Rigid GT Peace 9er. I actually just got a 10mm Tora fork to try out on there but I mostly use it for long days of mixed terrain and bikepacking so I like it rigid.

    Also, I commute on a Surly Karate Monkey but the most "trail" use it just is Town Lake, Shoal creek or maybe Onion Creek.

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    I have a Specialized Hardrock with a Fox 120mm fork, 1x9, and a Stumpjumper rigid SS. They work fine for where I ride, but I don't do the green belt or city park, I hate the giant rock ledges and getting beaten to death/crashing constantly.

    If I were to build the perfect bike for everything Austin has to offer, it would be a lightweight, aggressive 5" FS 29er, with a 1x10 or 1x11 drivetrain.

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    You can pretty much ride anything here, but suspension is always preferred over rigid. It all depends on how you want to ride and how you like to ride.
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    Originally from Cali.... 26"Cannondale Rize 4... 140mm travel up front, 130mm rear shock... kept my 3 ring setup (44, 32,22) although, I cant really find anywhere to use my beastmode ring usually so I've thought about dropping to two. 9 speed cassette.

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    2x9 works great, ran that for years. 1x9 works with a 30t front ring. 1x10 is perfect.
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    13 camber comp 29er and 11 stumpjumper fsr comp 26. Both perfect bikes for me depending on how I wanna ride.

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    Niner RIP9 and Trek Remedy 26. Love them both for different reasons. The Niner is a steamroller and the Trek feels like a big BMX.

    I've ridden several Mojos and loved them all. Probably one of my top 5 favorite bikes.

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    Surly Karate Monkey with a 1x9, sometimes singlespeed, and an 80mm fork. It has its limitations but most of its limits are determined by the rider.

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    Austin Riders - What are you riding?

    Santa cruz Nickel 650b, 1x9. I've had a couple other bikes but im really liking this setup

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    I'm a pretty big fan of active suspension for our rock climbing/descending. This knolly is a ripper (lemme know if you are interested in one, i'm not a shop but can most def help out)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero View Post
    I'm a pretty big fan of active suspension for our rock climbing/descending. This knolly is a ripper (lemme know if you are interested in one, i'm not a shop but can most def help out)
    Seems like overkill for the vast majority of riding around here, although likely a ton of fun at City Park...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelly_NH View Post
    Seems like overkill for the vast majority of riding around here, although likely a ton of fun at City Park...
    LOL! ...about 10mm overkill, but coming from a Delirium this bike is a freaking featherweight! And you are right, CP and many other trails are great on this bike - that is why I bought it, as those are the trails I ride. You know how many times I've ridden Walnut Creek in the last 5 years? 0. Shoal/Slaughter/RHR? 0. Main trail bcgb? handful.

    I bought this frame and built it for what I ride most often, which is very...city park-ish. Pacebend is probably the most tame of what I frequent, can nodab the RGOG and the slack setting rails the turns out there more than well enough. Justification enough for me, I say.

    I'm big and don't shy away from many features, and wanted something robust that still climbs well enough- this bike is it! I've considered 140-150mm bikes out there, but then know I'd have to shy away from some features I hit on the regular.

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    I ride a Santa Cruz Blur LTc. 140mm travel front and back. my next bike would likely be a 5-6 inch travel 650b bike. my list would include a Santa Cruz Bronson or a Devinci Troy.

    I run a 2X9 but you can get away with a 1X pretty easily. I rarely use my granny gear. im almost always in my 32 ring. if i dropped it to 30, I could do without the granny. just havent gotten around to it yet.

    I cant imagine riding BCGB or City Park or Brushy Creek on a hardtail. and you cant have as much fun on a smaller travel bike, but I like to huck ledges...

    I live 30 seconds from Walnut Creek (my bike is overkill for WC) so I ride that the most on the weekdays and the BCGB and City Park most weekends (my bike is pretty good for the most part, but a tad overmatched at certain spots, but I make it work).

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    I have a tallboy ltc, which is overkill for just about everything but makes me feel safe. I have a generic carbon hardtail that is probably about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518 View Post

    I cant imagine riding BCGB or City Park or Brushy Creek on a hardtail. and you cant have as much fun on a smaller travel bike, but I like to huck ledges...
    I ride Brushy Creek weekly on a 150mm travel hardtail. I like to huck ledges too. That's what dropper posts are for. My Ragley looks almost like a dirt jumper with a long fork on it. You'd be surprised at what you can do on a hardtail that has the right geometry and set up. Mine has a 66.5 degree head angle and short seat stays. Way stable at speed downhill without making to many handling sacrifices. Yeah I could climb more efficiently and go faster over things like the RGOG at Pace Bend or the Devil's Staircase at CP on a full squishy, but I'm perfectly content on my burly hardtail (for now). It's stronger than I am.

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    I started on a 26" rigid single speed, moved to a 29" rigid single speed, then added a 80mm fork and now a 11-34t cassette and a short cage derailleur. This works for all of the riding I do, but I don't even touch a lot of the stuff that is out there. I don't know if the bike or the skills are holding me back.

    not that I am financially in any position to buy a new bike, but what might it be like to move to a more AM/trail hardtail from where I am now? I would love to try riding a Nimble 9 or something like that if I could find one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMentallo View Post
    I ride Brushy Creek weekly on a 150mm travel hardtail. I like to huck ledges too. That's what dropper posts are for. My Ragley looks almost like a dirt jumper with a long fork on it. You'd be surprised at what you can do on a hardtail that has the right geometry and set up. Mine has a 66.5 degree head angle and short seat stays. Way stable at speed downhill without making to many handling sacrifices. Yeah I could climb more efficiently and go faster over things like the RGOG at Pace Bend or the Devil's Staircase at CP on a full squishy, but I'm perfectly content on my burly hardtail (for now). It's stronger than I am.
    i didnt say it wasnt possible becuase obviously people do it, yourself included. but ive been riding a FS since 2007 and cant imagine ever going back to a hardtail. FS just makes the ride more enjoyable for me because it allows me to go faster, more comfrotably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518 View Post
    i didnt say it wasnt possible becuase obviously people do it, yourself included. but ive been riding a FS since 2007 and cant imagine ever going back to a hardtail. FS just makes the ride more enjoyable for me because it allows me to go faster, more comfrotably.
    Exactly! I started in 1993 in New Hampshire on a fully rigid Stumpjumper M2 that was STIFF. Added front suspension (dinosaur Manitou elastomer suspension that is) and it was a whole new world. Picked up the "banana bike" Y-33 in 1995 and was a convert of "full-squish" for life. Ended up on a Scandium Rocky Mountain Element Team SC before quitting the sport in college (dual-major + full-time job meant I could ride 3hrs or sleep 3hrs).

    Got back into the sport after ending up in Austin. Picked up the Ibis Mojo SL and have absolutely loved it. Really tempted to see how 29" wheels would work with the endless baby heads and other rocks around here though. My spine hurts just imagining being on a hardtail on some of the trails around here. Then again, I can't understand why folks run single-speeds either. Regardless of what folks ride though, we all just love being out there and can all agree on loving the sport. That's the only part that matters.

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    I started riding back in late 2005 when I bought a WalMart Mongoose Blackcomb. I dished out about $350 I think, and thought I was spending some big money. I still have that bike, and love to ride it on occasions to really make me work at it. It weighs around 55lbs I think. What a workout, and the looks I get when I rumble by sounding like a garbage truck are priceless!

    A year or so later I got a Jamis Dakar Sport FS. That bike has morphed through the years in to my Frankenstein 26" Yeti ASR5 FS. It's my "fast" bike and I like to ride it at some of the smoother tracks around.

    My primary bike, though, is a 2011 29" Specialized FSR Stumpjumper. It's my go everywhere, anytime bike. Built like a brick sh*thouse, smooth, sturdy, tough. If I had to just have one of my bikes, it would certainly be this one.

    For your situation, if I were new to the Central Texas area and was going to have one bike for everything, I would go with a lighter, faster, fully suspended 29er. Unless you just LIKE it, the amount of rock around here would get old on a hard tail...quickly.
    Anyway...light, fast, FS, 29er. My .02

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    If I am honest with myself, I ride a hardtail because I can't afford FS. just too damn expensive. there is no way I can justify that to myself, and even less likely that I can justify it to my wife. at the rate that I can safe enough money out of each paycheck to buy something like that, it would take me years, and that money goes into little things in the meantime.

    I would gladly shred an old 1x9 26" FS bike but a steel 29" hardtail was a better long-term value for me. maybe in a year or two when I am making loads of money working part-time on other people's nice FS bikes, I will be able to afford it.

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    I dig what you're saying MackTurtle! You ride what you can. Like I said, I started out on a WalMart bike. I was able to put together enough money for the Jamis FS a year later, and since (because of upgrades and the Jamis breaking) it turned into the Frankenstein. Five years later I bought the 29er. I kept the other bikes because I liked certain things about them. FS bikes can certainly be expensive, too expensive in most cases, but there are other avenues. My suggestion is for the OP as to what type of bike to ride in the Central Texas area, and I would suggest to anyone a FS 29er because of the terrain. I would suggest that people look on Craigslist for good prices on used gear. I just turned a buddy on not too long ago on a GREAT deal on a FS Niner. Anyway, ride whatcha can and enjoy my friend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post

    not that I am financially in any position to buy a new bike, but what might it be like to move to a more AM/trail hardtail from where I am now? I would love to try riding a Nimble 9 or something like that if I could find one.
    It makes a difference in stability on ledges and drops like at Brushy. Basket drop is easier to follow out of with a more slack head angle as it tends not to drift to the side as much as you travel through the transition. When I met you that one time, I was riding that old Jamis P.O.S. and it had a 71 degree head angle. I would crash 50% of the time on that drop because I had a hard time keeping the front wheel from drifting to the side. I would always end up in the grass before the tree on the left. Now that I have a less "twitchy" front end, I don't drift to the side as much on high speed transitions like that one where it is hard to correct mistakes at the speed it comes at you. I find it easier to huck things like Dare because of the added stability the slack head angle, longer chain stays and longer travel in the fork gives you. It enables more high speed stability at the expense of less responsive steering. Since I am still on a 26" bike, that's mitigated by wheel size. I have no problems at all taking all those tight turns on Picnic at higher speeds than on my old XC oriented bike. Some of the drawbacks to my set ups are the front end tends to lift on uphills. I use that to my advantage a bit when going up ledges and such, but on longer and looser climbs, the front end will be a little harder to keep on your line and will need to be locked out or switched to shorter travel if you have a fork that can do that. I tend to carve banked corners better and at higher speed than a shorter travel steeper head angled bike.

    I also built my bike for cheap. The Ragley Blue Pig frame was right at $400 and the fork (Sektor R) was a steal at $190 including shipping. The rest of the parts were migrated over or nickeled and dimed a little at a time. I'm running that XT rear derailleur you gave me. Thanks! It works like a charm and has taken a beating.

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    I ride a 26" and a 650B Trek Remedy 9.8 on all the trails I ride anywhere. Both are capable for the rocky stuff in Austin and overkill for SC, WC, etc. I like them b/c I can ride them almost anywhere, and, being that I travel with my bike for work, I need to be able to ride almost anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dburatti View Post
    I ride a 26" and a 650B Trek Remedy 9.8 on all the trails I ride anywhere. Both are capable for the rocky stuff in Austin and overkill for SC, WC, etc. I like them b/c I can ride them almost anywhere, and, being that I travel with my bike for work, I need to be able to ride almost anywhere.

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    Any advantage of one versus the other for trails around here? I think City Park is the one place where I'd really like to see how 650B or 29" handled things (esp when its climbing the more technical rock face bits). Aside from that, still loving my 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelly_NH View Post
    Any advantage of one versus the other for trails around here? I think City Park is the one place where I'd really like to see how 650B or 29" handled things (esp when its climbing the more technical rock face bits). Aside from that, still loving my 26".
    Uphill, at a place like CP, my RIP9 has the advantage. Those big wheels do make it easier to clean ledges. Smoother climbs, no real difference.

    Going down, the way I describe each bike is that the RIP is easier to ride fast but my Remedy 26 has higher potential speed. To get that speed, you gotta be willing to pump, jump, carve and pick good lines. My RIP just kind of steamrolls everything on the way down; you can pick crappy lines and get bailed out.

    Other random thoughts: I run the exact same tires on both bikes (Bonty XR4 / Maxxis Ardent) and I don't notice any differences in contact patch, grip or feel. The XR4 is mega grippy and the Ardent is drifty. My Remedy feels more nimble but is slacker and has a longer wheelbase. The RIP has longer chainstays but is easier to manual and wheelie. Guess the point I'm trying to make is that regardless of wheel size, there are a lot of factors to determine how a bike rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelly_NH View Post
    Any advantage of one versus the other for trails around here? I think City Park is the one place where I'd really like to see how 650B or 29" handled things (esp when its climbing the more technical rock face bits). Aside from that, still loving my 26".
    I used to think that the 29" wheels on my Rip 9 were a big advantage at city park. But it is in the shop for some headset work and I took the 26" Blur LT2 out to CP yesterday for a lap. Pulled in a :55.30 lap which is pretty close to my best Rip speed of :53. Generally there were a few ledge climbs that I missed (especially the one at 1.27 miles) that I normally make.

    Both sizes have their advantages and disadvantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelly_NH View Post
    Any advantage of one versus the other for trails around here? I think City Park is the one place where I'd really like to see how 650B or 29" handled things (esp when its climbing the more technical rock face bits). Aside from that, still loving my 26".
    I feel more confident on my 650B than my 26" bike even though I never felt not-confident on my 26er. This bike does everything I ask it to and is super fun to ride.

    I have owned a carbon fiber Superfly 29er hard tail but didn't like the way it rode. It's definitely a race bike, and I'm not a racer. I like to ride technical trail. Also, I never took the time to learn to ride that bike. There was no learning curve going from the 26 to the 650. Yes, there is not much difference in wheel size, but the ride is definitely different.

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    I also think height comes into play in the overall geometry. There are probably optimal height ranges for all of these different sized bikes.
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    I ride a Giant Anthem x 29. It is definitely on the racier side of the spectrum. I've found that every single modification I've made have been to make it more aggressive. Swapped the 100mm for a 120mm fork, dropper post, wider rims, 1x10, shorter stem, wider riser bar. I don't know what that says about me or the bike. I may be a little happier on a Trance or something that is supposed to be a little more aggressive, but I really like the way the Anthem pedals.

    My previous bike was a Yeti 575 (26"). More travel, small wheels. I like the Anthem much better. The Yeti descended a little better, but I'd give up a little on the downs in order to slay the technical ups the way the Anthem can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero View Post
    I'm a pretty big fan of active suspension for our rock climbing/descending. This knolly is a ripper (lemme know if you are interested in one, i'm not a shop but can most def help out)

    Think I saw you at deception today, I was the one who said "Nice chilly".
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    Re: Austin Riders - What are you riding?

    Trek fuel ex9 carbon

    Really thinking about building a 27.5 or a 29er fs up. I really like the Niner rip 9s. But the cannondale jekyll 27.5 is sick to.

    Gonna do my homework before I start wasting money.

    Ill keep this trek, its nice. Weighs 27.5 pounds, be a little lighter after I put the 1x9 on it.....

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    If you ride a large, I have a RIP 9. Come out and ride the greenbelt and we can swap bikes for a while. Much better than riding it around the shop lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austin_bike View Post
    If you ride a large, I have a RIP 9. Come out and ride the greenbelt and we can swap bikes for a while. Much better than riding it around the shop lot.
    Hey thanks! I may take you up on that! I like the niner wfo as well. Just really want to experience a 29er fs.

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    Mojo SL 140 front/130 rear, 650b Derby wide rims w/ burly tires, 1x10. HA is 68*, 67.5ish w/ offset shock bushings and 125mm rear. Fun fun fun fun bike w/ short wheelbase, 16.9 cstays, lively poppy ride. Think of it as a Santa Cruz Solo before the Solo existed... but with DW Link. Having light stiff wheels with a massive tire cross section running 18-24psi is freakin' awesome too.

    Most of my riding is upper end BCGB, SW Pkwy, Ed's, etc. because it's in the neighborhood and I can hit some tasty singletrack and steep lines riding to and from work. I'm with CharacterZero....make it rocky with lots of ledges to launch...zero desire to trek to Walnut Creek, RHR, etc. and I love active suspension for the ups and downs. My next bike will be a burlier Ibis 27.5... an HDR, or...... On these trails it seems like 1/3 or more the bikes I see these days are Pivots...mostly 429s....also lots of Tallboys, and various Specialized and Trek 29ers.

    I agree that shortish travel 29 FS is probably the best one bike fits all solution for Austin, and the Pivot Mach 429 and Ibis Ripley are the most capable bikes I've ridden for simply covering ground, rolling through chatter, and cleaning technical climbs...and they're good descenders and pretty lively feeling too...but still more businesslike than my bike. I think the ultimate one bike, when fun is priority one and you lean toward the rougher trails, has more travel, less wheel, shorter stays... as in, a 130-150ish 650b bike. I've had mine setup this way for a few years and it's such a blast. I'm not opposed to 26" in this format either, but the bigger wheels climb and roll the chatter better and help keep you fresher on long outings. Pelly, if you're riding stock suspension and 26" wheels on your Mojo you've just scratched the surface of that bike's capability and fun factor.... don't mean to sound like an ass, but I've gone through a lot of parts on 2 Mojos, and slacker w/ stout 650b wheels is my favorite setup by far.

    And I absolutely agree that on a <$2k budget get a hardtail... AM style if you want to get rad, XC 29er if you're racing or frequent the faster smoother trails. I have not tried a new school slack n short 29er hardtail like a Yelli Screamy or a Niner ...what are they called...ROS? but I'd like to... looks like a fun package.
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    Niner MCR 9 currently 3x9 with 80mm fork.
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    There is a rash of high end bike thefts in Austin for the past year or so. Mostly road bikes but some high end mountain bikes have been taken as well. This thread is probably not a great idea.
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    How would this thread hurt anybody? Do some people list their home address in their MTBR profile??

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    No, but if a theif links a mtbr profile to a Strava or MapMyRide profile and follows the maps home, or finds the user's real name and looks it up on the county tax assessor's website, it would not be hard to find out where these bikes live.

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    DOH! No sh!t! OK, I'll stop talking about my '88 Yakota with Deore and the blue smoke paint job.

    What's that saying about outrunning a bear? The thieves will probably see CharacterZero's pics and hit him instead.

    JK JK...that would really suck and I'd feel guilty if it happened just for having made a sarcastic joke.

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    I'm in a very similar situation as the OP, returning to Austin after several years bouncing around, most recently in western NC. Back in the day I frequented City Park, the green belt and Walnut Creek on a HT 26er ('01 Fisher Hoo Koo). I was 10 years younger, but I never had a problem at Emma Long on my HT 26er.

    I'm in the market for an new bike and similar to a prior poster, I'm focusing on a HT mostly because of budget and riding style. Currently choosing between a Kona Kahuna DL and a Salsa El Mar 3. Apples and oranges, I know. I'm demoing them both next weekend and will likely decide mostly on feel.

    Which of these do y'all feel would fare better in central Texas? I'm also open to other suggestions keeping in mind I'm aiming to stay under $1500, preferably for a HT 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafester View Post
    Which of these do y'all feel would fare better in central Texas? I'm also open to other suggestions keeping in mind I'm aiming to stay under $1500, preferably for a HT 29er.
    I am in a similar situation, wanting to ride the chunky stuff around here with a very XC-oriented bike. I would opt for something more aggressive- short rear end, long fork, chunky tires, etc, so you can bomb all the wild stuff in the Greenbelt and Emma Long. I am thinking Canfield Nimble 9, Kona Honzo, Trek Stache, maybe a Surly Krampus if you're feeling saucy.

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    Re: Austin Riders - What are you riding?

    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    I am in a similar situation, wanting to ride the chunky stuff around here with a very XC-oriented bike. I would opt for something more aggressive- short rear end, long fork, chunky tires, etc, so you can bomb all the wild stuff in the Greenbelt and Emma Long. I am thinking Canfield Nimble 9, Kona Honzo, Trek Stache, maybe a Surly Krampus if you're feeling saucy.
    Screw that! Bombing anything on hardtails sucks!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    I am in a similar situation, wanting to ride the chunky stuff around here with a very XC-oriented bike. I would opt for something more aggressive- short rear end, long fork, chunky tires, etc, so you can bomb all the wild stuff in the Greenbelt and Emma Long. I am thinking Canfield Nimble 9, Kona Honzo, Trek Stache, maybe a Surly Krampus if you're feeling saucy.

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    Maybe it sucks for you, but bombing stuff on a hardtail puts lead in your pencil.

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    I built a nice El Mar for my son, 100mm XFusion fork, 2x10 SLX. It's a really nice bike. It is a VERY stiff frame...big tires run tubeless would be a necessity. If I were looking for a 29er HT for myself to ride at CP, upper end of BCGB, etc, I'd be leaning Mr. Turtle's way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    I built a nice El Mar for my son, 100mm XFusion fork, 2x10 SLX. It's a really nice bike. It is a VERY stiff frame...big tires run tubeless would be a necessity. If I were looking for a 29er HT for myself to ride at CP, upper end of BCGB, etc, I'd be leaning Mr. Turtle's way.
    Input much appreciated, y'all.

    I demoed a Kona Kahuna Deluxe and El Mar this weekend on one of the rockiest local trails. I wanted to love the El Mar, but I liked the feel of both equally and as the Kahuna already has the 2x10 drivetrain I want, I'm leaning that direction.

    I figured I can always make the jump to FS in a year or two if I get into the real chunky stuff and have a little more padding in the piggy bank.

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