Southern Cal Tandem Teams

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  • 02-13-2011
    Teamburney
    Southern Cal Tandem Teams
    We are about 2 months on our new ECDM and loving it. How about getting a So.Cal.ride going? We were riding Chino Hills today and saw another team for the first time up there. We ride there about 3-4 times a week in Chino Hills. Need a break, to go somewhere else. Who was up there today? Love to hook up....
  • 02-13-2011
    Mtn-Tandem
    Hey Bill. We were in the CHSP today on our yellow Cannondale. I'd love to get some tandem rides going like the group rides we did back in the 90's
  • 02-13-2011
    Teamburney
    We passed each other on Telegraph but it was a freeway there. Did we ride together in the 90's....That was good times. Well we are back on the trail after 12 years off. Tandem and I also go solo...
  • 02-13-2011
    Mtn-Tandem
    I saw you guys on the trail, but with all the solo riders that you had around you, it made for a bad place to stop. I don't get into CHSP much with the tandem, but ride the Fullerton loop on it often. I also ride CHSP solo, but try to stay clear of telegraph as much as possible. It'd be great to be able to get some tandem rides set up sometime. By the way that's a nice looking bike!
  • 02-14-2011
    Okayfine
    Bill, let's add Mark and Cat in Simi Valley, Jeff and his wife in Redlands, Patrick and Maria in Fullerton, and myself and my wife out here in Thousand Oaks. That's all I know, but it was more than I knew about a few months ago.

    Patrick mentioned looking to bring you guys out here for a city-to-sea ride in Sycamore.:thumbsup:
  • 02-14-2011
    Blaster1200
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    I'm a Fullerton Loop local. Our tandem is getting closer to completion. With the rest of the details and work travel, we should be hittin' the trails in about 2 months.

    I've seen Jeff and his wife from Redlands ride up at Kernville - that team rocks!
  • 02-14-2011
    Teamburney
    I was checking out that Sycamore ride after we rode at Chesebrough, looks great. Let us know. We will roll
  • 02-14-2011
    zibell
    Bill, we were out at Sycamore canyon Riverside on Sunday and did Peters canyon on Saturday. Most all of the places around are ride able on the tandem. Most of the trails we even pull Adam on his bike.
    I just rode Santiago Oaks on my single last week and the new trails look like they would be a blast on the big bikes. Some other places we've ridden are Aliso, El Moro, Turnbull, Whiting (Whiting to the Luge was a kick), Bonelli, Cheesbro, Sycamore Canyon (Pt. Mugu).
    We just set up our sitter to watch Adam one Saturday every month so we can get out on the bike and not have to pull him up some of the hills, unfortunatly our Feburary date is this weekend (the 19th) and it looks like rain......maybe next month.
    The only thing to worry about is crowds. The big bikes attract them, a group of big bikes more so.
    BTW what trails do you ride out at Chino, maybe you coould show us around sometime?
    Anyway keep us in mind, we'd love to meet up again.
  • 02-14-2011
    zibell
    Oh I almost forgot,
    Hey Blaster your tandem is looking nice......
    Let us know when you're ready to take it out on its maiden Loop voyage!
  • 02-14-2011
    Teamburney
    Patrick,sorry I forgot that there is two different Sycamore's. I was referring to the one out by Julian's, that one looks nice. Don't know much about the Riverside one. Let us know when you want to ride CHSP, it is limited unless you climb some pretty good hills. We have been doing CHSP about 4 days a week.
  • 02-24-2011
    oc-biker
    SC Tandems
    Hi All,

    My stoker wife and I have a ECDM. We are in Aliso and ride many trails in our area including: Aliso Woods, Nix, Quail Hill, Laguna Wilderness, El Moro, Whiting, Santiago Truck Trail, Luge, Harding, and Maple Springs. We also do quite a few rides with the Irvine Conservancy. We would love to hook up with some other Tandem teams for group outings. :thumbsup: Let me know when the gang is getting together.

    Paul
  • 02-24-2011
    PMK
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Blaster1200
    I'm a Fullerton Loop local. Our tandem is getting closer to completion. With the rest of the details and work travel, we should be hittin' the trails in about 2 months.

    I've seen Jeff and his wife from Redlands ride up at Kernville - that team rocks!



    Blaster, I have to ask, is that a frame you built or bought and modified for rear disc and big fork.

    Just not sure what you have and will be embarrassed for not knowing.

    Looks steel, probably welded and smoothed. The long diagonal wants me to say it an Ibis, but they all seem to run a full length top tube.

    So what gives, did you post about it before and I didn't pay attention?

    PK
  • 02-24-2011
    Ciclistagonzo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PMK
    Blaster, I have to ask, is that a frame you built or bought and modified for rear disc and big fork.

    Just not sure what you have and will be embarrassed for not knowing.

    Looks steel, probably welded and smoothed. The long diagonal wants me to say it an Ibis, but they all seem to run a full length top tube.

    So what gives, did you post about it before and I didn't pay attention?

    PK

    Take a look at this thread in the Frame Building Forum.

    Post #2.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/frame-building/lmnh-17-a-686129.html

    Looks like his own creation, pretty cool.
  • 02-24-2011
    Blaster1200
    PMK, as Ciclistagonzo indicated, it's my own creation. The frame is fillet-brazed chromoly. I still have a few more details to finish (the braze-ons are mostly complete), but I'm leaving on a business trip, so I won't get the frame to the powder coater until the first week of April. I'm super excited to see it almost completed!
  • 03-12-2011
    zibell
    Hey All, we have a sitter lined up for Saturday 3/19 and was wondering if anybody wanted to get together for a ride? We were thinking somewhere local to OC, maybe Aliso or something? Our sitter is scheduled for 8:00am and we are in Fullerton so we were thinking maybe 9:00am start time? Let me know, also Aliso isn't set in stone so if you have any ideas I'd like to hear them.
  • 03-12-2011
    Teamburney
    Sorry, we won't be able.Out of town, hopefully next time.
  • 03-15-2011
    Okayfine
    Will run it by my stoker.
  • 03-18-2011
    zibell
    Well, I'll post again next month to see if we can get a few tandems together in OC when we have the sitter.
  • 03-20-2011
    zibell
    Just wanted to say our ride yesterday was a blast. We were able to take the big bike over to Santiago Oaks and ride. Wow, this place is a blast. The new trail work has made this park very tandem friendly. We highly recommend it.
  • 03-20-2011
    drdoak
    Ah, bummed we missed this. Haven't logged in a while, guess I need to check the forums more often! We're in for the next one assuming we're free.

    Jeff & Katie
  • 04-11-2011
    zibell
    Sorry for the last minute on this.....
    We've got a sitter again for this Saturday April 16th.
    Does anybody want to get big bikes together for a ride? We were thinking about riding Santiago Oaks @ Irvine Regonial Park. We took the tandem there last month and had a blast, there is a ton of single track and you'll be able to practice your switchback turns.
    This is just an idea, if you have any other ideas let us know.
    We're looking at a 8:30-9:00ish ride start. Parking would be @ IRP and cost $5.

    Patrick & Maria
  • 04-11-2011
    Teamburney
    Sorry again, we will be up at Sea Otter Classic. Spectating,shopping,camping and a lil pleasure riding.Any other teams going for fun?
  • 04-11-2011
    zibell
    Bill, I knew that you guys were going to be at Sea Otter... I wish we were going too! Maybe next year. It is a fun time, enjoy.
  • 04-12-2011
    Okayfine
    On a "Guadalasco Switchbacks" rating scale, where Guad switchbacks are a 6 of 10 (10 being a definite walker), what are the IRP switchbacks like? Any idea on the trail conditions? Still LOTS of water in the crossings at Sycamore, but otherwise the trails are dry.
  • 04-12-2011
    zibell
    Julian, I'd say that the switchbacks would be a 4 (maybe 5). Compared to Guadalasco the IRP(Santiago Oaks) trails are new so they don't have all of the rocks that Guad has, also they are a hair wider. We rode there last month the trails were great. Most of the trails are either new or reworked by a trail building company so they drain properly and don't get so tore up by the rain. Check out this thread from another site, it has some trail pics.
    http://www.socaltrailriders.org/foru...king-oaks.html
    So how's that new rig treating you guys?
  • 04-13-2011
    Okayfine
    We are tentatively in for Saturday's ride. Only variable is our truck just sprang a CE light. If it needs something serious, I'll have to deal with it over the weekend. If it is drivable, we'll be there. Will confirm in the next day or so. Trail photos look great. Be nice to ride without the water crossings.
  • 04-13-2011
    zibell
    Julian, that sounds great. I told Maria and she is excited to see you guys and the new bike. She told me she may have a couple of single bikes from her work join us but we'll just wait and see how things go. Good luck with that CE light.
  • 04-14-2011
    Okayfine
    We'll be there. Do you have a meet spot in mind? We've never been to IRP. Confirming this is the place: 1 Irvine Park Rd, Orange, CA
  • 04-14-2011
    zibell
    Yes, that is the correct address. Lets meet at parking lot #3, 8:30-9:00am. I'll send you a message with my #.
  • 04-16-2011
    oc-biker
    Oaks Switchbacks
    I went to Santiago Oaks this AM with my stoker and some single riders from work. I thought I might run into some tandems there. I did see two going up Coachwhip trail but we were at the bottom. Some single riders exclaimed how they couldn't believe there were so many MTB tandems. That was cool.

    That was my first time at the Santiago Oaks. Man there are some tough switchbacks. Granted they are smooth but many were well beyond my riding ability. The ones down Chuttes seemed impossible to me. :eek: The rest weren't too bad. I'll need to be sure to steer clear of the Guadalasco switchbacks if they are harder and tighter.
  • 04-16-2011
    zibell
    oc-biker, we heard there was another tandem riding there today. Julian and Sally said they saw a red Ventana as they were coming into the park. We heard from a few other single bikes on the trail that there was another tandem out and we were looking for you but no luck. Sorry we missed you. It would have been fun to have 3 tandems together. I'll post something for a tandem ride next month when we have our sitter.
  • 04-17-2011
    Okayfine
    Some really nice riding at IRP Saturday. And a GREAT place to practice switchbacks. They were all tandemable as the trail building was nicely done, though it was helpful to follow a tandem up as I copied lines on a couple. OC, if you are the red Ventana, we saw you with some single bikes right as we entered the park. We kept crossing trails as we rode, figuring to run into you at some point.

    Zibell and stoker are the king and queen of decending switchbacks, I had to use some serious rear brake to swing the bike around a couple of 'em. We even rode down the Chutes Ridge staircase, but no one else was around to witness. For sure challenging trails, but good stuff.
  • 04-17-2011
    oc-biker
    Okayfine, we were on the red Ventana. Very impressed that you guys did all the switchbacks. I have much to learn on that technique. Maybe watching someone do it correctly would help. However, I'm not very good on switchbacks on my single either.

    I did see the more direct Chuttes or Old Chuttes as I think they call it. It looked like it might have some good sized drops on it so we went the easier twisty route. I still need to rig up a bottom tube bash guard. Mine is already scared from some rock drops in Idyllwild. It sure makes a horrible grinding sound as it hits/scapes. Were there any steep drops that caused you to scrape?

    The 3Bs were aptly named. They kicked up pretty steep. My Garmin topped at 25% on the 2nd B. I think the first might have been even steeper but I was blacking out so I couldn't see the Garmin. ;)

    BTW, what brand and model of tandems were you both riding?

    See you on the trails next time.
  • 04-17-2011
    Okayfine
    Having someone lead you through some switchbacks may help, but practice is the only thing that will definitely help.

    Lines and methods differ for everyone, and for the different types of switchbacks. The stuff at IRP, I found success with a simple high-tempo granny gear run - just powering around it, maintaining momentum. One time I followed Patrick's line where he ran the front wide and up the high side, which was difficult but made all the difference. They're all generally wide enough not to need too much finesse by your stoker, which is one way IRP switches differ from, say, Guadalasco switches. There I need more communication with my stoker so she doesn't pour on the power until we're mostly around. But Guad also has some rocky switches, and almost all of them are tighter than IRP.

    IRP has the best switchbacks for tandems that I've ridden.

    We didn't hit the boom tube on anything. I will stop and walk anything that would threaten the bike or its riders. I'd also be more afraid of snapping the sync chain and the long walk back to the parking lot.

    We have a coupled Ventana. Of the four other SoCal teams I know about (five including yourself, OC), everyone's on a Ventana...except, of course, for the fellow who built his own bike *cough cough* :D
  • 04-17-2011
    zibell
    OC, as Julian stated switchbacks are something that you need to practice at and find out what works best for you. Riding all the switchbacks we did Saturday really worked my upper body (shoulders & arms). We found that we start wide and cut it tight and when the front wheel is pointed up the trail I let my stoker "hit it" and she pours on the gas. Once the front wheel is pointing up the trail the rear end tends to just follow. On desending switchbacks I feather the front brake and keep the front wheel rolling and brake the rear and once the front is around and pointing down I can let off the brake and the rear follows. One thing I just thought was that Julian and I both ride a single crown fork, is your fork a single crown or double crown? I don't think that you can turn a double crown as tight.
    We were thinking about giving IRP a try with our son and his tag-a-long. For sure not riding down Cutes ridgeline.
    Let us know if you want to ride there again, we're always up for riding with another tandem. Julian and Sally are both strong riders, and we are old and slow but with some skill, we enjoy riding.
    As for the 3B's, now that they have all the new trails we try to avoid the 3B's. There are so many other trails that you can link together and have a nice ride without suffering up the 3B's.
  • 04-18-2011
    Okayfine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zibell
    Julian and Sally are both strong riders, and we are old and slow but with some skill, we enjoy riding.

    To be fair, we probably get out on the bike more often. We'd ridden every weekend for the past four, and added the Cheeseboro ride mid-week last week.
  • 04-22-2011
    Teamburney
    Ok guys, Nanci and I are always up for a challenge and willing to learn. The ride at IRP sounded great let us know when next venture. We might sneek over and practice since so close...But can you guide me to the switchback trail you are referring to, never been there.
  • 04-23-2011
    zibell
    OK we set up our sitter for next month. We're set for Saturday May 21st. Does anybody want to get together the big bikes for a ride? I'd like to ride somewhere near OC as I don't want to be paying a sitter for driving somewhere. Last month we got together with Julian and Sally in Irvine Regional Park and had a blast. We could ride there again or Aliso, or El Moro, or Whiting Ranch? We meet around 8:30-9:00 depending where we go. Let me know what you think.

    Bill IRP is a fun place to ride we rode a lot of the trails; Chutes, Coachwhip, Cactus Canyon, and Yucca were some of the trails I think Coachwhip had some of the best trails for practicing switchbacks not a lot of incline and a little wider turns.
  • 04-24-2011
    PMK
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zibell
    Coachwhip had some of the best trails for practicing switchbacks not a lot of incline and a little wider turns.

    Not sure if this may help. Like anything, practice helps. It is awesome to have the trail to practice on but sometimes that's not possible.

    As much of a goofball I am to ride with, we constantly practice as much as possible on silly things like parking lot stops, weaving in and around at slow speeds. Also, use the parking stops for practice getting over logs or small fallen trees.

    For things like bridges or narrow sections, I may have us practice riding the edge of a sidewalk or something similar (wood chip border at a playground).

    Then of course is the old standby, going slow without trackstanding, ride figuire 8s in the parking lot. Then work it in with the parking stops. If you choose a poor line, the back tire gets hung up.

    We also try and mix up the trails. Sometimes long straight epic xc rides, others tight twisty singletrack (CLJ can back me up on the definition of tight), other days when possible we just climb and descend. We will even do night rides going backwards on empty trails so we have a new trail / challenge. But again, I take every opportunity to goof off and ride stupid silly stuff in parking lots or parks. It just helps.

    Don't push the speed envelope until skills are adequate, other wise you may fall down, been there done that. Now we crash.

    Have fun on your group ride.

    PK
  • 04-24-2011
    zibell
    PK - you are correct as always with your advice. You don't need to practice on a trail. So of our best practice habits are also goofing around. Trackstands, tight turns around parking stops, hopping up and down curbs, and also riding over parking stops. Also talking - let you stoker know what you need them to do.
  • 04-24-2011
    Teamburney
    Thanks for the tips. We will be heading over to IRP tomorrow about 10:00am.Love new trails...
  • 04-25-2011
    Teamburney
    Well, we made it over to IRP this morning, great ride but unsure if we went the correct way. Not many riders so it really didn't matter.Here was our path.....Parked at lot 3 and worked our way on Egret and then Pony. Unsure at this time which way, but when in doubt, climb. So we headed up Oak Trail and turned right on Bumble Bee to Coachwhip and then a right on Barham Ridge but somehow we ended up on Chutes Trail, unsure the order...We need a lot more work on descending the switchbacks but we handled the switchback climbs...We are planning on the 21st, hopefully you will take us back to your ride at IRP...
  • 04-26-2011
    zibell
    Bill, your request for IRP is perfect.

    Saturday May 21st meet at lot #3 between 8:30-9:00 ride approx. 3hrs

    oc-biker, drdoak, mtn-tandem, blaster if any of you are available we'd love to meet you and have bunch of tandems together for a fun ride. Show the half bikes what a tandem can do. Julian if you guys are up for another drive we'd love to ride with you again.

    Hey Bill I'm not sure of all the trail names. Did you guys do the killer climb known as the 3 B's (steep-steep-steep) Bumble Bee cuts off to the right at the start of the 2nd pitch and goes up and over the hill. Anyway we're looking forward to next months ride. Let me know if you go back out there, I can propably meet you on my single. I can meet you around 9:00 and ride for a couple of hours on weekday mornings. Let me know!
  • 05-17-2011
    zibell
    Just want to post a reminder about the ride we're doing this Saturday May 21st.

    @ Irvine Regional Park (parking $5) meet at Lot #3 8:30 and roll out @ 9:00.

    The weather should be perfect for riding 70 & sunny, and the rains should pack down any dust.
    See you there!
  • 05-18-2011
    Teamburney
    Sorry to miss another ride but our plans have recently changed. We will be out of town.Keep us posted
  • 05-19-2011
    Rida29r
    Heads up for this ride....SHARE is hosting a poker ride from Irvine to Santiago Oaks (the other side of the dam with the 3 B's) It begins at 8 am...and they will be in the same parking lot as your meet up spot :) We might come down with our Ells.

    http://sharemtb.com/2011/04/29/pleas...ub-poker-ride/
  • 05-19-2011
    zibell
    Rida29r - does this mean you're bringing that pretty Ells of yours out for some dirty fun? I'm not sure what kind of turnout to expect for this ride, it looks like everybody is backing out so we'll see who shows up. If nobody shows Maria & I will still have a blast, that's what it's about!
    I know the poker ride is going on, but the oaks has a lot of trails so it should be fine. The lot we're meeting at is a large lot and the reason I chose it is because there are restrooms for the last minute pre-ride pit stop.
  • 05-20-2011
    Rida29r
    Well..."someone" just pulled their back out yesterday (not good), so I'm not sure riding will be part of the weekend now....and riding it by myself is just weird. Or....is it? ;) We've honestly never ridden Oaks on it....and yeh, ton of trails to ride besides. We usually start from the back side of Peters and ride into Irvine. If he's better, we'll be there!
  • 05-20-2011
    Okayfine
    Unfortunately for us, my stoker is just getting over a cold. We're going to try a lightweight trip to the beach on Sunday, but probably wouldn't be able to keep up at IRP on Saturday. We'll shoot for next time.

    With this number of tandems in the area, we need to get everyone together!
  • 05-20-2011
    Blaster1200
    Looks like we're also out. :(
  • 05-23-2011
    zibell
    What a fun time Saturday. This month we had 3 tandems together for a ride around Santiago Oaks. It started with a full parking lot #3 but there were other lots close by and we all met up at lot #4. Tim & Hope on the Cannondale and Paul & Lisa on their Ventana ECDM along with Maria and I all had a fun time. Special props go out to Tim for his first ride back from a broken collarbone and 2 sprained wrists, great job Tim & Hope! Then we also had Paul & Lisa (team Sho-Air), "we like riding up the 3 B's", you 2 rock. The weather was nice and the trails were in great shape. The ride down Chutes ridgeline was a blast. The camera however, was left sitting on the kitchen counter( sorry no pictures). Maria and I are trying to get our schedule for next months sitter and then I'll post something for next month. We hope to see you next month.
  • 05-24-2011
    oc-biker
    Tandems Invade Santiago Oaks
    Big thanks for Patrick for setting the ride up. Having three tandems out in force was very cool. The ride coincided with the Poker ride so we received no shortage of surprised comments about what an MTB Tandem can do.

    The Zirbell team opened our eyes to what's possible on the tandem too. Gave us the confidence to try a few things that we never would have otherwise. The Chutes downhill was a blast. Couldn't get the smile off my face all weekend. My stoker wants to go back and ride it again. Made more switchbacks than before but we still have a long way to go to equal the Zirbell teams switchback riding ability. I think I'll leave the log riding to you guys though.

    Great job to Tim and Hope on doing that ride with no rear suspension, climbing without being clipped in (Hope), and Tim for recovering from injuries. You two kept up a good pace on a difficult route.

    It was a great time. We look forward to doing it again. Maybe we'll break the record of 3 tandem teams next time.
  • 05-25-2011
    Teamburney
    Can't wait to join in. Keep us posted
  • 07-06-2011
    zibell
    Sorry for the late post, but we have got a sitter for our son lined up for Saturday the 16th and we're wondering if anybody wants to get together for a tandem ride? Santiago Oaks is out as they are having a race there that day. We were thinking maybe Aliso or even Whiting-Mojeska-the Luge? Let me know, we're open to where ever, just trying to keep it local in OC area.
  • 07-06-2011
    Okayfine
    405 is closed that weekend, so we probably won't be able to get anywhere near OC.:madman:
  • 07-06-2011
    oc-biker
    Hi Zirbell, 10 days is quite sufficient notice. However, we won't be able to make that day since I'll be in Santiago Oaks attending the inaugural Okole Stuff Cup Mountain Bike Race.

    I'll be on the single that day wishing I had another pair of legs to propel me up the climbs. ;) Have a great time on the MTB tandems. We'll try to join in on the next ride.
  • 07-07-2011
    drdoak
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    Sorry for the late post, but we have got a sitter for our son lined up for Saturday the 16th and we're wondering if anybody wants to get together for a tandem ride? Santiago Oaks is out as they are having a race there that day. We were thinking maybe Aliso or even Whiting-Mojeska-the Luge? Let me know, we're open to where ever, just trying to keep it local in OC area.

    Hi - looks like we'd be available the 16th for a ride. My vote would be Whiting-Mojeska-Luge. Have never been to Whiting and the Luge is a blast on a single, should be great on a tandem as well. I'm off work that morning at 7:00AM so we should be able to make an 8:00AM start or later. Thanks!

    Jeff & Katie
    Redlands
  • 07-11-2011
    zibell
    Hi Jeff, Whiting-Mojeska-Luge sounds great. Our sitter shows up @ 8:00am so we should be at Whiting about 8:30-8:45. The parking lot @ Whiting is on Portola Pkwy and is small, we have also parked across the street in the parking lot by McDonalds.
  • 07-11-2011
    drdoak
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    Hi Jeff, Whiting-Mojeska-Luge sounds great. Our sitter shows up @ 8:00am so we should be at Whiting about 8:30-8:45. The parking lot @ Whiting is on Portola Pkwy and is small, we have also parked across the street in the parking lot by McDonalds.

    Sounds good! We'll be there around 8:30, either at the parking lot at Portola or at the McDonalds if full. I'll PM you my cell #. What's the approximate mileage/climbing/time just so we can plan food? Thanks and see you Saturday, I'll post on STR to see if we can pick up a couple more tandems.
  • 07-18-2011
    drdoak
    Thanks Patrick and Maria, fun times! Looking forward to the next ride.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/99867148
  • 07-18-2011
    zibell
    Thanks Jeff, you and Katie tore up that ride. Great job. The margaritas were pretty good also. Maybe next time we can take you guys back to Santiago Oaks.
  • 07-29-2011
    zibell
    We just spoke with the sitter and have August 20th on the calender. We're going to be having a Birthday ride for Maria as she is turning ? So, Saturday August 20th tandem group ride. I'm thinking maybe back to Santiago Oaks, or Aliso Woods, or maybe El Moro? What do you guys think?
    We're heading up to Mammoth the 1st week in August so I won't be able to reply until after we get home.
  • 07-31-2011
    Rida29r
    If the rain lets up....we'll be out there at 130 today (peters oaks irvine)
  • 07-31-2011
    Okayfine
    We're in :thumbsup: Keep us posted on location and time.
  • 08-11-2011
    zibell
    We just got back from Mammoth and had a blast. One of the guys in the village at the bike park ticket sales told us we couldn't ride a tandem in Mammoth as the trails were not rideable on a tandem. Well we showed them, we rode some green(easy) and blue(more difficult) trails towing our son on his trail-a-bike and rode some black diamond trails minus our son......can't ride Mammoth? Our son tore up Mammoth!
    Julian, do you want to go back to Santiago Oaks @ IRP or would you like to try something else?
  • 08-11-2011
    She&I
    Bravo, zibell. Not too big for the gondola? Cool.

    I had some betty give us the same speil..."these trails are made for full suspension mountain bikes, blahblah..." Sounds like some perception issues we can collectively work on :)

    Next month I'll have a stoker and will hit you guys up for some trailage if you'll have us. We're in HB. Cheers...

    Mike
  • 08-13-2011
    Okayfine
    IRP was fun. If you've got something else that's as much fun, we're totally open.

    Anyone else planning on Saturday?
  • 08-16-2011
    zibell
    Julian, I haven't heard of anyone else that has said they want to join in so how about Irvine Regional Park @ 8:30-8:45 @ at the same lot #3. Santiago Oaks was such a blast with you guys last time.
  • 08-16-2011
    Okayfine
    Done and done. We got a bigger pack with bigger bladder just for another IRP run. :thumbsup:
  • 08-17-2011
    XC Mike
    ok must ask how tough is Oaks/IRP on a scale of 1-10
    I am just getting back into riding after a few years off the bike and for the most time I ride with my 10 year old as my Stoker on a Hard Tail C-Dale with No Fork.......... :thumbsup:
  • 08-17-2011
    JokerW
    Quote:

    on a Hard Tail C-Dale with No Fork
    what happened with the Judy?
  • 08-17-2011
    Okayfine
    Tough to say without having a common trail to compare. IRP is either climbing or decending, but the climbs aren't bad, and there's only two brief "downhill" sections of note. LOTS of switchbacks, but they're generally wide enough to be no issue on a tandem - but they will give you lots of practice. Very much an XC type of trail system. Lots of single riders to cheer tandems they've never seen before.

    Main downside in summer is that there's very little shade.
  • 08-18-2011
    zibell
    XCMike, I'd say its probably a 100 on a scale of 1-10. I mean riding a wheelee up and down those switchbacks on a tandem with no fork would be tough even on a level street.
    No really we rode a couple of months ago with Tim and Hope on there C'dale hardtale with front suspension and they did great. On a scale of 1-10 I'd say maybe a 7. Its all rideable but as Julian mentioned it all either up or down and summer sun will wilt you with no shade. Most of the switchbacks are wide enough for a tandem but there are a couple that are tight.
  • 08-19-2011
    XC Mike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JokerW View Post
    what happened with the Judy?

    I was just looking for something on the cheap side if not I will wait till tax time and do it right with wheels and disc
  • 08-19-2011
    XC Mike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Okayfine View Post
    Tough to say without having a common trail to compare. IRP is either climbing or decending, but the climbs aren't bad, and there's only two brief "downhill" sections of note. LOTS of switchbacks, but they're generally wide enough to be no issue on a tandem - but they will give you lots of practice. Very much an XC type of trail system. Lots of single riders to cheer tandems they've never seen before.

    Main downside in summer is that there's very little shade.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    XCMike, I'd say its probably a 100 on a scale of 1-10. I mean riding a wheelee up and down those switchbacks on a tandem with no fork would be tough even on a level street.
    No really we rode a couple of months ago with Tim and Hope on there C'dale hardtale with front suspension and they did great. On a scale of 1-10 I'd say maybe a 7. Its all rideable but as Julian mentioned it all either up or down and summer sun will wilt you with no shade. Most of the switchbacks are wide enough for a tandem but there are a couple that are tight.

    Sounds good Guys
    I need to get my team around the full 12 mile Fully Loop before I think we will be ready.
    We did the half loop last week and my little one really surprised me :thumbsup:
  • 08-20-2011
    zibell
    XCMike, We ride the Fuly loop on Sundays with the morning group. You guys should come out and join us, its a slow and easy pace with plenty of rest breaks. Let us know if you are ever doing the loop and we can meet you there. We ride it towing our 5yr old on his trail-a-bike.
    I'm not sure if we'll be there tomorrow as its Marias birthday.
  • 08-20-2011
    XC Mike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    XCMike, We ride the Fuly loop on Sundays with the morning group. You guys should come out and join us, its a slow and easy pace with plenty of rest breaks. Let us know if you are ever doing the loop and we can meet you there. We ride it towing our 5yr old on his trail-a-bike.
    I'm not sure if we'll be there tomorrow as its Marias birthday.

    Cool so Dino is still putting on these rides? I just got on STR I haven't been on that site in over 3 years!!!
    My Wife's Klein Won the "Best Of Show" for the 1st annual STR Vintage Bike Event sad thing is we sold that bike about two years ago...........:(
    Next weekend my daughter has a soccer tournament so maybe the weekend after that :thumbsup:
  • 10-19-2011
    She&I
    A holler out to SoCal teams...

    We're in OC. We'll be riding starting late November, and would be psyched to share some trail psyche. Wanting to ride technical terrain and, ideally, longer rides. Our hit list includes:

    Joplin
    Upper/lower Holy Jim
    Los Pinos
    Skinsuit
    Telonics
    Stairsteps
    Car Wreck

    Some of those I've never ridden, some only on a single. There are highly regarded local areas we've never ridden such as Santiago Oaks, Fully Loop etc.; open to those where there is tech riding involved.

    Aside: Oddly, I've never seen another MTB tandem team. Last time out someone asked us if we rode El Morro the day before. We know you guys are out there!

    Cheers,

    Mike
  • 10-19-2011
    oc-biker
    Wow, those are some seriously technical trails on a tandem. I've done almost all of them on a single but none of them on the tandem. I think my stoker would be done with me if I took her down any one of them. "Luckily" for me in this case I have tendonitis in my knee so I'm off the bike right now.

    I'm very interested in hearing about the tandem outing on any of these trails. Make sure and post about your adventure.

    Have a great time!
  • 10-20-2011
    drdoak
    We've done Holy Jim a few times on our tandem and didn't find it very fun, too many switchbacks for us. I imagine if you could clean them it would be a different story, or if you're looking for switchback practice, that's about the best trail other than San Juan.

    I've done Pinos, Joplin, and Skinsuit on a single, I imagine they might be a bit easier on a tandem especially Skinsuit with the steeps. A healthy loop might be Blackstar/Skinsuit/Skyline/Motorway. Another trail you might check out is Palm Canyon. We've done that twice on the tandem and it's a good challenge. Sycamore Canyon in Riverside also has some fun rock tech and is a bit more local.

    I'd like to set up a Noble Canyon tandem ride this winter. Anyone ever ridden that on a tandem? I've never been...
  • 10-20-2011
    She&I
    oc-b, thanks for the good wishes.

    My feeling is that we can roll anything on our tandem that I can on a single bike, tight switchbacks and lines around obstructions excluded. If it's purely steep and rough, I actually feel more stable on the tandem with the added wheelbase and weight out back. And of course there is the added momentum which forces the bike through low-speed steps/rocks that could more easily stuff a single. Precision lines, yea forget it…but the advantages seem to more than compensate. I have a small (and gonzo) stoker, which no doubt helps.

    We tried T&A on-sight a year+ ago and put a foot down a few times. It seemed about as techy as Joplin, albeit not as loose. We did Car Wreck a couple weeks ago after being off tandems for a year and got it clean down to the car. Sheesh, I've gone OTB on Car Wreck on my single when not completely focused. Not that we're all that, but just to say that certain terrain doesn't seem that hard to us on the big bike. It's almost like cheating in some cases. Somewhat counter-intuitive, I believe.


    drdoak, we're with you on the switchbacks. Just want to tick off Holy Jim because I love the flow-y parts and the setting. We won't be cleaning most of the switchbacks (we didn't clean many on San Juan either). Thanks for the suggestions! Palm Cyn is certainly on our radar and I agree it would be fitting (the sand march notwithstanding). Noble Cyn sounds great as well, and we will definitely be game for that killer run when the time comes.


    Keep riding (or resting!); hope to saddle up soon. We have some healthcare stuff on deck so will be out of the game a few more weeks. Cheers!

    Mike
  • 10-20-2011
    Stevoo
    We tend to find ourselves riding up Harding and Modjeska more than the other trails when riding the big bike. Chino north ridge to 4-corners and back out the main cyn weekdays after work is a common summer time sunset quick ride. We park out on Rose and ride over the dam and through the park proper as a warm up. Hardley ever see any other big bikes on any trails. Seen maybe 2 others in the past years. Good to know you folks are out there. We live only 3 minues from Santiago Oaks according to my Garmin when going home (downhill) from the park. For whatever reason we only have ridden singles at Santiago Oaks. Maybe we will run into some of you out on the trails. Keep on getting out there! Lots of tandem road riding as of late. Hopefully back to the dirt soon.
  • 10-20-2011
    JokerW
    My wife and I just rode (most of) the Ride in the Rocks, in Lucerne Valley Saturday.
    We suffered three rear flats, and only had two spare tubes.
    Most of course was doable, save for a couple of tight, sandy single track sections, and the really deep sand in the middle of the longest climb.
    The rocky sections were very rideable, and the ol' KHS has never worked better, until the flats.
    Guess I'd better up the technology to include tubeless in the rear to try and avoid pinching tubes.

    We'd love to meet up with some other twosomes.
    We're in the San Bernardino mtns.
  • 10-20-2011
    oc-biker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JokerW View Post
    My wife and I just rode (most of) the Ride in the Rocks, in Lucerne Valley Saturday.
    We suffered three rear flats, and only had two spare tubes.
    Most of course was doable, save for a couple of tight, sandy single track sections, and the really deep sand in the middle of the longest climb.
    The rocky sections were very rideable, and the ol' KHS has never worked better, until the flats.
    Guess I'd better up the technology to include tubeless in the rear to try and avoid pinching tubes.

    We'd love to meet up with some other twosomes.
    We're in the San Bernardino mtns.

    Hi Joker,

    Careful with the tubeless setup on the tandem. I ran tubeless on our tandem for a couple months with no issues until I was coming down Mathis one day and when over a sharp water bar (like a curb) at slow speed. It pulled my front tire's bead away from the rim and burped all the air. We went down but since we were going slow we didn't get any injuries (other than my pride and my stoker's confidence in me). I went back to tubes for the tandem and Stan's for my singles. You mileage may vary but it wasn't worth another incident for me.
  • 10-21-2011
    JokerW
    Quote:

    We went down but since we were going slow we didn't get any injuries (other than my pride and my stoker's confidence in me)
    Been there... only with injuries to both of us. Took quite awhile to get my wife back on the bike.
    She used to use toe clip pedals, and now I have her running flat DH pedals. Took her a little while to not "slip" them, but she really likes that she can get away from the bike if she needs to.

    Funny thing on the tires, our front is actually a 2.4 UST with a tube. I think the stronger sidewalls are really a benefit, even though it is a heavier tire. I'd like to put a nice fat something in the rear, but the seatstays keep me limited. We are currently using a 2.2 non UST, but I'm still pondering other ideas. I've even considered "denting" the seat tubes to add some clearance for a fatter/taller stronger sidewall tire. That will be a "last resort" option though.

    Thanks for warning on tubeless burping. Tandems sure test the limits of equipment, eh?
  • 10-24-2011
    zibell
    Mike,
    When your ready to ride let us know and we'll see if we can meet you. As we have a 5yr old we need to set up a sitter for him or ride not too tech stuff as we would be pulling a tag-a-long. I think at this time we have a sitter for the 19th of November and maybe we can show you around Santiago Oaks or something? Its always fun riding with other tandems.
    Patrick
  • 10-24-2011
    She&I
    Hey, Patrick,

    Thanks for the holler. Good options. We'll definitely get in touch. Tagging up with the three of you might fill the bill nicely seeing how we'll both be coming off of recovery time. Keep cranking until then...

    Cheers,

    Mike
  • 11-04-2011
    Teamburney
    Stevoo,

    We ride Chino 3 days a week but mostly weekdays in the mornings. We live very close to Rose and the dam. Let us know next time time you get out this way...I think we met She&I in Chino last Sun...Great to see other team...

    Also, we still want to hook up for the Oaks ride. Need practice on the switchbacks.
  • 11-07-2011
    Stevoo
    Teamburney,
    That would be great. Have not been riding the mtn tandem in a while just the road tandem as we were training for the Furnace Creek 508. Now that the 508 is over (it went great by the way) maybe we will get back on the mtn tandem. Short winter days and back to std time spells the end of weekday after work Chino rides. I believe they frown on night riding there. Please correct me if I am mistaken. I will see if I can remember to ping you should we find ourselves headed to Chino on some weekend. It would be fun to ride w another tandem.
  • 11-11-2011
    zibell
    If the weather is nice next Saturday (Nov.19th) we plan on riding Santiago Oaks again. If there is anybody that wants to join, the more the merrier. Big bikes are a blast at the Oaks. We meet at Irvine Regional Park around 8:30-8:45 in parking lot #3. Total switchback fun, if you ain't going up, you're bombing down.
  • 11-12-2011
    Teamburney
    Finally, we should be in on the Nov.19th ride. I just rode solo bike there with our Tues/Thurs. morning group.Great place, looking forward to following the tandem pros and learning.Keep us posted...
  • 11-13-2011
    zibell
    Bill, look forward to riding with you guys on Saturday, we're hardly tandem pro's but we do have fun.
  • 11-18-2011
    Teamburney
    Who's going tomorrow morning at 8:30 IRP??? Looks like weather is going to hold up,no rain till Sun.We are still in...
  • 11-18-2011
    She&I
    Cheering you guys on...

    :thumbsup::thumbsup:

    Have fun and blast it out. Hope to join youz later.

    Mike
  • 11-18-2011
    zibell
    Bill, we're still planning on being there tomorrow morning. You're right it looks like the weather may hold out long enough for us to get a ride in, just need to bring the long sleeves. We have our sitter coming by our house @ 8:00 then we'll leave. Thats why I say we'll be there 8:30-8:45ish. Parking lot #3, see you tomorrow. We may have a couple of singles join us also, just to show them what big bikes can do. I rode there Wednesday and the trails are in primo condition.
  • 11-18-2011
    Teamburney
    We will see you there. Hopefully last minute viewers will show up...Come on Big Bikes....
  • 11-19-2011
    Teamburney
    Hats off to the Zibell Team, they're awesome on the big bike. Thanks again for a great ride at the Oaks and for your patience with us.It gives us a goal.
  • 11-19-2011
    zibell
    Bill and Nancy, thanks for coming out and riding with us. We had a fun time, and the burgers and beers post ride were not bad either. You guys did good for your first ride at the Oaks. That place is not an easy place for big bikes with all the switchbacks. You're either riding up or down and the little rain at the begining of the ride got a couple of the trails a little slick. I downloaded the video I shot of us riding down Chutes Ridgeline but the angle of the camera only got my front tire and a couple of feet in front of it, not the best. I guess we need to go back and try again.
  • 12-04-2011
    Teamburney
    Patrick, do you happen to know the gear ratio on the big bike? Ours has 22 front 36 rear. It just seemed like you had the ability to spin faster uphill.
  • 12-04-2011
    PMK
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Teamburney View Post
    Patrick, do you happen to know the gear ratio on the big bike? Ours has 22 front 36 rear. It just seemed like you had the ability to spin faster uphill.

    Not Patrick, but FWIW, often if you can fit a 22, you can get a 20 on it.

    Hoping I don't make fool of myself in regards to a Davinchi or some form of 4 bolt cranks that won't take a 20.

    20/36 with a 26" wheel is some serious climbing gears...We need to come trash our sea level flat terrain legs.

    PK