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    Re: Southern Cal Tandem Teams

    We live in Redlands and have a full suspension Ventana. There is another couple Jeff and Lisa who ride a tandem. I've never seen a group of mountain tandems here but would definitely be interested to meet up for a group ride either at Hulda, Crafton, Loch Leven etc.

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    We are pretty undisciplined when it comes to keeping a schedule, especially early morning rides. We're more mid-day to afternoon kind of riders.

    We've been gearing up to make it to the "Ride in the Rocks" out in Lucerne in a couple of weekends. We've done this ride three times, and we're the only tandem there. It would be great if there were others!

    There isn't really a tandem "entry fee" on their list, but we usually pay the family rate.
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    Hi,

    We're looking to organize a ride around Redlands/Yucaipa either Sunday, November 17 or November 24. Thinking of riding either Crafton Hills, Hulda Crooks, or Loch Leven (maybe Thomas Hunting Grounds). If you have a preference on date and location, please let us know!

    I think we prefer Loch Leven, because of the scenery and we could also grab lunch at the cafe in Angelus Oaks before the descent back to our cars.

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    The ride is set. We'll meet at Loch Leven at 9:00am. Loch Leven is about 15 minutes outside of Redlands. There is a good amount of singletrack, but most of it is pretty wide singletrack and tandem friendly. No tight switchbacks. We have 5 groups of tandems who've said they are likely to make it.

    Route will be similar to this ride - Mountain Bike Ride Profile | Loch Leven + a little SART near Mentone | Times and Records | Strava

    More details on the facebook events page - https://www.facebook.com/events/177139225813210/

    Or post up here and Jeff (drdoak) or I will reply.

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    We're going... to suffer. That's a lot of climbing for us old folk.

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    Sounds like a fun ride. I'm picking up my stoker(Maria) from the airport that afternoon. Let us know how the ride goes, sounds like a fun time with 5 teams going. Keep us in mind for future rides. I might even break out my new stoker(my 7yr old son) and make Maria ride her single.
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    I'm sure we'll look to do this a few times a year, probably at different locations.

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    Hi Pinnacle10, looks like a great ride. It's a long drive for us from Southern OC but I'm going to try to talk the Stoker into going. It would be cool to see some new tandem friendly trails and get the tandems out in mass.

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    From last Saturday's Ride in the Rocks, Lucerne Valley

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    Between here and Facebook it looks like there are 6 tandems that are in, and at least another 3 I know of that are possible. My wife and I went out and did the first and last 5.5 miles of the ride. For anyone not familiar with the area, this is where most of the elevation is, after about 6.5 miles there's a lot more up and down and the elevation tends to come easier.

    Here's the ride we did - Mountain Bike Ride Profile | Up and down Loch Leven near Mentone | Times and Records | Strava

    Once we get to Angelus Oaks at 6.5 miles we'll regroup. There's a store and restaurant and you can usually fill up water there without any problems. We'll hop on the fireroad just past the Post Office and continue towards Thomas Hunting Grounds. I think we'll skip the first sections of the SART (it gets a little narrow with exposure in areas), but if some want to do it we can meet back up at the next section. I think the SART through Thomas Hunting Grounds will be great on a tandem. After THG we'll head back up the fireroad and back towards Angelus Oaks.

    If people want we can stop and eat at the Restaurant on the way back down so bring some money if you think you might want to. If not, the ride back to the cars is the same way we came up to start.

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    We'll probably skip eating at the resturant... saving our money for beers at Brew Rebellion in Yucaipa!

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    Sunday's ride was great. 7 tandem teams, and the fabulous Loch Leven area to ride.
    More photos here also: https://www.facebook.com/#!/bikeforbender

    Thanks to Jeff S. (pinnacle10) for getting us together. We had never met any of these teams before, and now we have an extended IE tandem family to ride with

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    Hey all how have you all been? We took a year off as my 8yr old got his own 26" mtb. We've been doing rides on the singles but are now starting to get back in shape and ready for some summer fun on the big red bike. Just trying to relieve this thread and get the local bikes talking again.

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    Anyone interested in a tandem ride out of Julian? We just got ours up and running. Be nice to ride with some other teams.
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    My wife and I haven't ridden our tandem since the group ride over a year ago. I've had some knee problems and we now also have a 3 month old baby. We are, however, helping to organize a new ride Bike for Bender will be putting on and I'm posting about it here as it'd probably be a great ride for tandems and there is already 1 that is signed up.

    It starts and finishes at Pioneertown and is primarily fireroad. There is a 35 and a 50 mile option. The ride is free. For more details you can go here - Pioneertown Gravel Grinder | Bike for Bender

    Or sign-up on our Facebook Events page - https://www.facebook.com/events/935381463160987/

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    Great to hear the chatter of riding going on here. It getting me stoked to get off my rear and get back in shape and get big red back on the trails. We had a drunk driver rear end us over the holidays and totaled out our tandem hauler :-( now were looking for a new bike hauler, until then were stuck at home riding the Fullerton loop.

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    Hey, Patrick and all, great to hear everybody is thinking big bikes.

    We too have been off ours since the Divide in August, but are now set up for trail riding and have it in mind to sweep away some cobwebs.

    We did sign up for Bike for Bender (thanks, pinnacle10), but we hope to hit some OC stuff before then. My hitch is my studious wife, who loves to hit the books all day. Thus, lots of single bike riding...

    Thanks for bringing this thread back to life, P. Best wishes to Maria and for getting your car situation dialed. Glad you guys were not hurt! Cheers...

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    Hey Tandem teams! My Stoker's mom and sister live in San Diego we get down there fairly often, would love to hook up with some you guys and Ride. We have ridden with Mike and maria they rock! We live in Mendocino where we have miles of cross-country singletrack great for tandems and it never gets too hot in the summer to ride. We are thinking of doing a tandem rally up here wondering how many people would like to go? Mike get a list the names let's do this!
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    Hey Jesse & Sojo a tandem ride/rally up in Mendocino sounds like a blast. I'll need to bring a couple of single bikes for my stoker and mini stoker(my 8 yr old son) so all 3 of us can ride i will just need to switch between stokers. Let us know when and well need to schedule time.
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    Jesse and Sojo! Great idea!

    I made it up there last November, wow...they have the goods in spades, and Jesse is an ace guide and captain. Wish my stoker had made it...

    What I rode was very tandem friendly; redwood forests with loamy trails, not too twisty. Just beautiful, including some riding right on the coastline. Worth the trip up, but a guide is pretty much mandatory in Jackson Demo Forest (zero signage).

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    Here is a picture from our ride on Saturday. Part of the Charlie Kelly Borrego weekend with a movie, talk and book signing Friday and a 14 mile mostly downhill ride down Grapevine Canyon. Fun!
    The tandem handled the sand just fine and unlike others we never crashed!Southern Cal Tandem Teams-tandem.jpg
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    Bringing this thread back to the top.

    Just picked up a used ECDM and looking to do some mtb tandem rides. In Carlsbad (North County San Diego), but travel up to OC quite often since we have family there. Have ridden Whiting on the tandem and had a great time.

    Just rode Santiago for the first time on the single and not sure if we can handle it on the tandem. However it may be the particular trails that we were on.

    Planning on hitting the Fullerton loop soon, maybe Aliso as well.

    Are the “big-bike” group rides still going on?

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    Hey Tan, let us know when you plan on hitting the Fullerton loop, it's our local trail and we would love to join you.
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    Next time you get to the OC ride up Harding truck trail all the way past the upper gate to the towers atop Saddleback Peak. It is a fun ride and tandem friendly.
    Also Modjeska to Old Camp is good and tandem friendly. You can even come down The Luge trail on the way back. That option is a bit more advanced though.
    Great to hear there are others out there riding the big bike.
    Have not been on ours in a while as I just built up a new single bike and need to get the newness ridden out of it.
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    Back in the late 90's, early 00's, we used to have a group of 5 tandems that we would regularly ride Chino Hills, Fullerton loop, Marshall Canyon, Santiago canyon, Big Bear, etc. Used to race the tandem class then also, used to be usually 10-12 tandem teams then
    I since have sold our tandem( wife didn't have any interest after our son was born)
    I sure miss those days, those were some of funniest riding days that I've had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    Hey Tan, let us know when you plan on hitting the Fullerton loop, it's our local trail and we would love to join you.
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    We sure will.

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    I am a longtime MTB'er but wife doesn't ride her bike at all (but does enjoy her spin classes). So I recently bought a used hardtail tandem to see if we could ride together without her being left behind. Our maiden voyage up Aliso Creek trail to Cook's corner and back (all pavement) from Laguna Hills went well and without any complaints. Based on that, I installed wider rims and tires, put a suspension fork on the front and stoker post on back to make it more dirt-friendly. Ride #2 was down Aliso Creek trail and around Laguna Niguel lake and back. Mix of smooth hard pack and pavement. Again no complaints other than some seat adjustments. Now we need to try some more fire road / relatively tame single track to test out the bike (and wife) to see how they get along. We are open to ideas about stuff that isn't too crazy up or down. Would like to be able to clean everything and not have to get off or push or spook the stoker into not liking this. I've been riding so long I only know the more tech stuff around here so I have to dig out my old notes or check Geoladders for some ideas in OC.
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    Maybe we will try this weekend: Geoladders -- Coto - Caspers West Ridge

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    Maybe try the Fullerton loop, not too techy but a few little climbs and nice singletrack. We live local and would be happy to guide you in a little 10+ mile 1 1/2he ride.
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    Thanks Patrick! I assume you mean something like this: Geoladders -- Fullerton Loop

    I recall riding this once many years ago with my son on single bikes.

    If we ever get up in that direction with the bike we may give that a shot with the tandem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unikid28 View Post
    Maybe we will try this weekend: Geoladders -- Coto - Caspers West Ridge
    That is not a very exciting route. Nor is it a difficult route.

    Drop down Star Rise and do a loop in Caspers will make it better.
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    Yes David, thats it. We do a shorter version with our 11yr old son on his single bike. And it's still a good fun ride. Let us know if you want to come up and would like a guide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    That is not a very exciting route. Nor is it a difficult route.

    Drop down Star Rise and do a loop in Caspers will make it better.
    Thanks - If it were just me I would be all over Caspers for sure. However I want to make sure the wife is okay with the distance/climbing and overall dirt experience first. If she enjoys it I will look for harder stuff next. Would rather hit a home run with something easier than to risk having her turned off after only our 3rd ride ever on the tandem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radsmd View Post
    Just picked up a used ECDM and looking to do some mtb tandem rides.
    Awesome! Where did you end up getting it from? We have a basic mountain bike style tandem and would like to upgrade to an ECdM.

    And share pictures. :>)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChargersWI View Post
    Awesome! Where did you end up getting it from? We have a basic mountain bike style tandem and would like to upgrade to an ECdM.

    And share pictures. :>)
    Picked up from a fellow mtb’er in San Luis Obisbo. Like it so much, we are having a new one built up by Ventana, di2 and everything. This one will go on the chopping block when the new one is done.

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    Ah, you bought Jeff's. Hope it continues to work well for you. And let all here know how the new build goes.

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    My wife and I bought a used ECDM from our friends earlier this year.....we get out in the OC a couple times a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unikid28 View Post
    Thanks - If it were just me I would be all over Caspers for sure. However I want to make sure the wife is okay with the distance/climbing and overall dirt experience first. If she enjoys it I will look for harder stuff next. Would rather hit a home run with something easier than to risk having her turned off after only our 3rd ride ever on the tandem.

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    Well the wife and I ended up doing the Coto ride last weekend. Only completed about 2/3 of it though before the wife wanted to turn around. Although the trail has some fun fast sections, there were a couple of steep climbs where we had to stand up and crank together to make it to the top. Based on others comments it looks like our stock granny gear isn't going to cut it for some of the hills around here. Our bike is a 3x8, with the small ring 28 in front, with 34 in back. I plan to grab a 22 laying in the garage from one our single bikes and try swapping that in before our next ride. Also the front derailleur was struggling to move onto the small and big chainrings during the ride. It shifts fine on the stand but not out in the trail. Not sure if the added pressure of 2 people pushing is an issue or I need to look at changing the cable and/or cheap derailleur for something better. Maybe a sticky middle ring? I will examine closer when I put the 22 on there.

    Happy new year to all!

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    22T on a triple is pretty standard since 9spd. 28T is nearly my middle ring (32T) and there are lots of places in the local hills we couldn't get up with 28T granny. SoCal has much more hills than flats.

    You will have to let up on the pedal pressure when changing down chainrings. I will call out "Down!" when I'm changing down front chainrings, both to let my stoker know to expect the jolt and so that she'll let up while the front mech does its thing. If we hammered the cranks and I clicked the front shifter down, we could keep the chain on the bigger ring just with pedal pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    We do a shorter version with our 11yr old son on his single bike.
    He's 11? When did this happen?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okayfine View Post
    22T on a triple is pretty standard since 9spd. 28T is nearly my middle ring (32T) and there are lots of places in the local hills we couldn't get up with 28T granny. SoCal has much more hills than flats.

    You will have to let up on the pedal pressure when changing down chainrings. I will call out "Down!" when I'm changing down front chainrings, both to let my stoker know to expect the jolt and so that she'll let up while the front mech does its thing. If we hammered the cranks and I clicked the front shifter down, we could keep the chain on the bigger ring just with pedal pressure.
    Unfortunately our tandem came with 28/38/48 in front. I agree not what one would normally find on an MTB single. I had read somewhere that tandem teams can push higher gears, so was hoping the set up that came on our bike might be sufficient. Obviously it's not for some of the trails we are hoping to do. I since found a complete triple ring set in my garage that got taken off a single MTB after minimal use several years back. I now have that installed, with a 22 in front. We plan to hit up the same trail again this weekend to compare the changes we've made.

    Thanks for the tip about calling out the down shifts. Although I did find a cable issue that was the likely cause of the sticky shifts, this communication tip will come in handy going forward. Since the surprising jolts were another thing that the stoker didn't care for on our last ride. I can avoid startling her as well as get her to ease off a bit to facilitate the shifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unikid28 View Post
    Unfortunately our tandem came with 28/38/48 in front. I agree not what one would normally find on an MTB single. I had read somewhere that tandem teams can push higher gears, so was hoping the set up that came on our bike might be sufficient. Obviously it's not for some of the trails we are hoping to do. I since found a complete triple ring set in my garage that got taken off a single MTB after minimal use several years back. I now have that installed, with a 22 in front. We plan to hit up the same trail again this weekend to compare the changes we've made.

    Thanks for the tip about calling out the down shifts. Although I did find a cable issue that was the likely cause of the sticky shifts, this communication tip will come in handy going forward. Since the surprising jolts were another thing that the stoker didn't care for on our last ride. I can avoid startling her as well as get her to ease off a bit to facilitate the shifts.

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    Our ECDM cam with 3x9 (44/34/22). After a couple rides.....I swapped it all out for 1x11 (32x11/46).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    Our ECDM cam with 3x9 (44/34/22). After a couple rides.....I swapped it all out for 1x11 (32x11/46).
    Did you keep the same crankset and simply use the middle ring?

    Even after doing all that, the 32:46 combo is not quite as low as the 22:34. And the top end of 32:11 is obviously not as strong as the 44:11.

    It's apparent we need the lower gears to deal with steeper/longer climbs. And I don't think we want to be spinning out when commuting to/from the trails or on long downhills.

    At some point I might consider switching our tandem to a 2x or even 1x once once we know exactly the range we require. However I really want to get a feel of our capabilities first and determine what kind of riding we end up doing (and even how often we ride) before investing in more significant ($) changes.

    At this point I will consider it a victory if we finish the entire Coto ride tomorrow with a happy stoker on the smaller front chainring setup. And if things go really well, maybe I can convince the stoker to venture down Star Rise into Caspers as you suggested last time

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    Quote Originally Posted by unikid28 View Post
    Did you keep the same crankset and simply use the middle ring?

    Even after doing all that, the 32:46 combo is not quite as low as the 22:34. And the top end of 32:11 is obviously not as strong as the 44:11.

    It's apparent we need the lower gears to deal with steeper/longer climbs. And I don't think we want to be spinning out when commuting to/from the trails or on long downhills.

    At some point I might consider switching our tandem to a 2x or even 1x once once we know exactly the range we require. However I really want to get a feel of our capabilities first and determine what kind of riding we end up doing (and even how often we ride) before investing in more significant ($) changes.

    At this point I will consider it a victory if we finish the entire Coto ride tomorrow with a happy stoker on the smaller front chainring setup. And if things go really well, maybe I can convince the stoker to venture down Star Rise into Caspers as you suggested last time

    David


    Nope....I ditched the Middleburns it came with since they were old 5 bolt ISIS cranks. Put on a pair of Truvativ Stylo's and just used the middle ring position. Also swapped the complete drivetrain over to the drive side, including the timing chain.





    The 32x46 bailout gear is only about 1/2" from the 22/34 we had on it.
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    Looks good - thanks for the pics! 175mm front and rear?

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    Looks good - thanks for the pics! 175mm front and rear?
    yup
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