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    What a fun time Saturday. This month we had 3 tandems together for a ride around Santiago Oaks. It started with a full parking lot #3 but there were other lots close by and we all met up at lot #4. Tim & Hope on the Cannondale and Paul & Lisa on their Ventana ECDM along with Maria and I all had a fun time. Special props go out to Tim for his first ride back from a broken collarbone and 2 sprained wrists, great job Tim & Hope! Then we also had Paul & Lisa (team Sho-Air), "we like riding up the 3 B's", you 2 rock. The weather was nice and the trails were in great shape. The ride down Chutes ridgeline was a blast. The camera however, was left sitting on the kitchen counter( sorry no pictures). Maria and I are trying to get our schedule for next months sitter and then I'll post something for next month. We hope to see you next month.

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    Tandems Invade Santiago Oaks

    Big thanks for Patrick for setting the ride up. Having three tandems out in force was very cool. The ride coincided with the Poker ride so we received no shortage of surprised comments about what an MTB Tandem can do.

    The Zirbell team opened our eyes to what's possible on the tandem too. Gave us the confidence to try a few things that we never would have otherwise. The Chutes downhill was a blast. Couldn't get the smile off my face all weekend. My stoker wants to go back and ride it again. Made more switchbacks than before but we still have a long way to go to equal the Zirbell teams switchback riding ability. I think I'll leave the log riding to you guys though.

    Great job to Tim and Hope on doing that ride with no rear suspension, climbing without being clipped in (Hope), and Tim for recovering from injuries. You two kept up a good pace on a difficult route.

    It was a great time. We look forward to doing it again. Maybe we'll break the record of 3 tandem teams next time.

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    Can't wait to join in. Keep us posted

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    Sorry for the late post, but we have got a sitter for our son lined up for Saturday the 16th and we're wondering if anybody wants to get together for a tandem ride? Santiago Oaks is out as they are having a race there that day. We were thinking maybe Aliso or even Whiting-Mojeska-the Luge? Let me know, we're open to where ever, just trying to keep it local in OC area.

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    405 is closed that weekend, so we probably won't be able to get anywhere near OC.

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    Hi Zirbell, 10 days is quite sufficient notice. However, we won't be able to make that day since I'll be in Santiago Oaks attending the inaugural Okole Stuff Cup Mountain Bike Race.

    I'll be on the single that day wishing I had another pair of legs to propel me up the climbs. Have a great time on the MTB tandems. We'll try to join in on the next ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    Sorry for the late post, but we have got a sitter for our son lined up for Saturday the 16th and we're wondering if anybody wants to get together for a tandem ride? Santiago Oaks is out as they are having a race there that day. We were thinking maybe Aliso or even Whiting-Mojeska-the Luge? Let me know, we're open to where ever, just trying to keep it local in OC area.
    Hi - looks like we'd be available the 16th for a ride. My vote would be Whiting-Mojeska-Luge. Have never been to Whiting and the Luge is a blast on a single, should be great on a tandem as well. I'm off work that morning at 7:00AM so we should be able to make an 8:00AM start or later. Thanks!

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    Hi Jeff, Whiting-Mojeska-Luge sounds great. Our sitter shows up @ 8:00am so we should be at Whiting about 8:30-8:45. The parking lot @ Whiting is on Portola Pkwy and is small, we have also parked across the street in the parking lot by McDonalds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    Hi Jeff, Whiting-Mojeska-Luge sounds great. Our sitter shows up @ 8:00am so we should be at Whiting about 8:30-8:45. The parking lot @ Whiting is on Portola Pkwy and is small, we have also parked across the street in the parking lot by McDonalds.
    Sounds good! We'll be there around 8:30, either at the parking lot at Portola or at the McDonalds if full. I'll PM you my cell #. What's the approximate mileage/climbing/time just so we can plan food? Thanks and see you Saturday, I'll post on STR to see if we can pick up a couple more tandems.

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    Thanks Patrick and Maria, fun times! Looking forward to the next ride.

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    Thanks Jeff, you and Katie tore up that ride. Great job. The margaritas were pretty good also. Maybe next time we can take you guys back to Santiago Oaks.

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    We just spoke with the sitter and have August 20th on the calender. We're going to be having a Birthday ride for Maria as she is turning ? So, Saturday August 20th tandem group ride. I'm thinking maybe back to Santiago Oaks, or Aliso Woods, or maybe El Moro? What do you guys think?
    We're heading up to Mammoth the 1st week in August so I won't be able to reply until after we get home.

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    If the rain lets up....we'll be out there at 130 today (peters oaks irvine)
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    We're in Keep us posted on location and time.

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    We just got back from Mammoth and had a blast. One of the guys in the village at the bike park ticket sales told us we couldn't ride a tandem in Mammoth as the trails were not rideable on a tandem. Well we showed them, we rode some green(easy) and blue(more difficult) trails towing our son on his trail-a-bike and rode some black diamond trails minus our son......can't ride Mammoth? Our son tore up Mammoth!
    Julian, do you want to go back to Santiago Oaks @ IRP or would you like to try something else?

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    Bravo, zibell. Not too big for the gondola? Cool.

    I had some betty give us the same speil..."these trails are made for full suspension mountain bikes, blahblah..." Sounds like some perception issues we can collectively work on

    Next month I'll have a stoker and will hit you guys up for some trailage if you'll have us. We're in HB. Cheers...

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    IRP was fun. If you've got something else that's as much fun, we're totally open.

    Anyone else planning on Saturday?

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    Julian, I haven't heard of anyone else that has said they want to join in so how about Irvine Regional Park @ 8:30-8:45 @ at the same lot #3. Santiago Oaks was such a blast with you guys last time.

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    Done and done. We got a bigger pack with bigger bladder just for another IRP run.

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    ok must ask how tough is Oaks/IRP on a scale of 1-10
    I am just getting back into riding after a few years off the bike and for the most time I ride with my 10 year old as my Stoker on a Hard Tail C-Dale with No Fork..........

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    on a Hard Tail C-Dale with No Fork
    what happened with the Judy?

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    Tough to say without having a common trail to compare. IRP is either climbing or decending, but the climbs aren't bad, and there's only two brief "downhill" sections of note. LOTS of switchbacks, but they're generally wide enough to be no issue on a tandem - but they will give you lots of practice. Very much an XC type of trail system. Lots of single riders to cheer tandems they've never seen before.

    Main downside in summer is that there's very little shade.

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    XCMike, I'd say its probably a 100 on a scale of 1-10. I mean riding a wheelee up and down those switchbacks on a tandem with no fork would be tough even on a level street.
    No really we rode a couple of months ago with Tim and Hope on there C'dale hardtale with front suspension and they did great. On a scale of 1-10 I'd say maybe a 7. Its all rideable but as Julian mentioned it all either up or down and summer sun will wilt you with no shade. Most of the switchbacks are wide enough for a tandem but there are a couple that are tight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JokerW View Post
    what happened with the Judy?
    I was just looking for something on the cheap side if not I will wait till tax time and do it right with wheels and disc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okayfine View Post
    Tough to say without having a common trail to compare. IRP is either climbing or decending, but the climbs aren't bad, and there's only two brief "downhill" sections of note. LOTS of switchbacks, but they're generally wide enough to be no issue on a tandem - but they will give you lots of practice. Very much an XC type of trail system. Lots of single riders to cheer tandems they've never seen before.

    Main downside in summer is that there's very little shade.
    Quote Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    XCMike, I'd say its probably a 100 on a scale of 1-10. I mean riding a wheelee up and down those switchbacks on a tandem with no fork would be tough even on a level street.
    No really we rode a couple of months ago with Tim and Hope on there C'dale hardtale with front suspension and they did great. On a scale of 1-10 I'd say maybe a 7. Its all rideable but as Julian mentioned it all either up or down and summer sun will wilt you with no shade. Most of the switchbacks are wide enough for a tandem but there are a couple that are tight.
    Sounds good Guys
    I need to get my team around the full 12 mile Fully Loop before I think we will be ready.
    We did the half loop last week and my little one really surprised me

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    XCMike, We ride the Fuly loop on Sundays with the morning group. You guys should come out and join us, its a slow and easy pace with plenty of rest breaks. Let us know if you are ever doing the loop and we can meet you there. We ride it towing our 5yr old on his trail-a-bike.
    I'm not sure if we'll be there tomorrow as its Marias birthday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    XCMike, We ride the Fuly loop on Sundays with the morning group. You guys should come out and join us, its a slow and easy pace with plenty of rest breaks. Let us know if you are ever doing the loop and we can meet you there. We ride it towing our 5yr old on his trail-a-bike.
    I'm not sure if we'll be there tomorrow as its Marias birthday.
    Cool so Dino is still putting on these rides? I just got on STR I haven't been on that site in over 3 years!!!
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    Next weekend my daughter has a soccer tournament so maybe the weekend after that

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    A holler out to SoCal teams...

    We're in OC. We'll be riding starting late November, and would be psyched to share some trail psyche. Wanting to ride technical terrain and, ideally, longer rides. Our hit list includes:

    Joplin
    Upper/lower Holy Jim
    Los Pinos
    Skinsuit
    Telonics
    Stairsteps
    Car Wreck

    Some of those I've never ridden, some only on a single. There are highly regarded local areas we've never ridden such as Santiago Oaks, Fully Loop etc.; open to those where there is tech riding involved.

    Aside: Oddly, I've never seen another MTB tandem team. Last time out someone asked us if we rode El Morro the day before. We know you guys are out there!

    Cheers,

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    Wow, those are some seriously technical trails on a tandem. I've done almost all of them on a single but none of them on the tandem. I think my stoker would be done with me if I took her down any one of them. "Luckily" for me in this case I have tendonitis in my knee so I'm off the bike right now.

    I'm very interested in hearing about the tandem outing on any of these trails. Make sure and post about your adventure.

    Have a great time!

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    We've done Holy Jim a few times on our tandem and didn't find it very fun, too many switchbacks for us. I imagine if you could clean them it would be a different story, or if you're looking for switchback practice, that's about the best trail other than San Juan.

    I've done Pinos, Joplin, and Skinsuit on a single, I imagine they might be a bit easier on a tandem especially Skinsuit with the steeps. A healthy loop might be Blackstar/Skinsuit/Skyline/Motorway. Another trail you might check out is Palm Canyon. We've done that twice on the tandem and it's a good challenge. Sycamore Canyon in Riverside also has some fun rock tech and is a bit more local.

    I'd like to set up a Noble Canyon tandem ride this winter. Anyone ever ridden that on a tandem? I've never been...

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    oc-b, thanks for the good wishes.

    My feeling is that we can roll anything on our tandem that I can on a single bike, tight switchbacks and lines around obstructions excluded. If it's purely steep and rough, I actually feel more stable on the tandem with the added wheelbase and weight out back. And of course there is the added momentum which forces the bike through low-speed steps/rocks that could more easily stuff a single. Precision lines, yea forget it…but the advantages seem to more than compensate. I have a small (and gonzo) stoker, which no doubt helps.

    We tried T&A on-sight a year+ ago and put a foot down a few times. It seemed about as techy as Joplin, albeit not as loose. We did Car Wreck a couple weeks ago after being off tandems for a year and got it clean down to the car. Sheesh, I've gone OTB on Car Wreck on my single when not completely focused. Not that we're all that, but just to say that certain terrain doesn't seem that hard to us on the big bike. It's almost like cheating in some cases. Somewhat counter-intuitive, I believe.


    drdoak, we're with you on the switchbacks. Just want to tick off Holy Jim because I love the flow-y parts and the setting. We won't be cleaning most of the switchbacks (we didn't clean many on San Juan either). Thanks for the suggestions! Palm Cyn is certainly on our radar and I agree it would be fitting (the sand march notwithstanding). Noble Cyn sounds great as well, and we will definitely be game for that killer run when the time comes.


    Keep riding (or resting!); hope to saddle up soon. We have some healthcare stuff on deck so will be out of the game a few more weeks. Cheers!

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    We tend to find ourselves riding up Harding and Modjeska more than the other trails when riding the big bike. Chino north ridge to 4-corners and back out the main cyn weekdays after work is a common summer time sunset quick ride. We park out on Rose and ride over the dam and through the park proper as a warm up. Hardley ever see any other big bikes on any trails. Seen maybe 2 others in the past years. Good to know you folks are out there. We live only 3 minues from Santiago Oaks according to my Garmin when going home (downhill) from the park. For whatever reason we only have ridden singles at Santiago Oaks. Maybe we will run into some of you out on the trails. Keep on getting out there! Lots of tandem road riding as of late. Hopefully back to the dirt soon.

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    My wife and I just rode (most of) the Ride in the Rocks, in Lucerne Valley Saturday.
    We suffered three rear flats, and only had two spare tubes.
    Most of course was doable, save for a couple of tight, sandy single track sections, and the really deep sand in the middle of the longest climb.
    The rocky sections were very rideable, and the ol' KHS has never worked better, until the flats.
    Guess I'd better up the technology to include tubeless in the rear to try and avoid pinching tubes.

    We'd love to meet up with some other twosomes.
    We're in the San Bernardino mtns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JokerW View Post
    My wife and I just rode (most of) the Ride in the Rocks, in Lucerne Valley Saturday.
    We suffered three rear flats, and only had two spare tubes.
    Most of course was doable, save for a couple of tight, sandy single track sections, and the really deep sand in the middle of the longest climb.
    The rocky sections were very rideable, and the ol' KHS has never worked better, until the flats.
    Guess I'd better up the technology to include tubeless in the rear to try and avoid pinching tubes.

    We'd love to meet up with some other twosomes.
    We're in the San Bernardino mtns.
    Hi Joker,

    Careful with the tubeless setup on the tandem. I ran tubeless on our tandem for a couple months with no issues until I was coming down Mathis one day and when over a sharp water bar (like a curb) at slow speed. It pulled my front tire's bead away from the rim and burped all the air. We went down but since we were going slow we didn't get any injuries (other than my pride and my stoker's confidence in me). I went back to tubes for the tandem and Stan's for my singles. You mileage may vary but it wasn't worth another incident for me.

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    We went down but since we were going slow we didn't get any injuries (other than my pride and my stoker's confidence in me)
    Been there... only with injuries to both of us. Took quite awhile to get my wife back on the bike.
    She used to use toe clip pedals, and now I have her running flat DH pedals. Took her a little while to not "slip" them, but she really likes that she can get away from the bike if she needs to.

    Funny thing on the tires, our front is actually a 2.4 UST with a tube. I think the stronger sidewalls are really a benefit, even though it is a heavier tire. I'd like to put a nice fat something in the rear, but the seatstays keep me limited. We are currently using a 2.2 non UST, but I'm still pondering other ideas. I've even considered "denting" the seat tubes to add some clearance for a fatter/taller stronger sidewall tire. That will be a "last resort" option though.

    Thanks for warning on tubeless burping. Tandems sure test the limits of equipment, eh?

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    Mike,
    When your ready to ride let us know and we'll see if we can meet you. As we have a 5yr old we need to set up a sitter for him or ride not too tech stuff as we would be pulling a tag-a-long. I think at this time we have a sitter for the 19th of November and maybe we can show you around Santiago Oaks or something? Its always fun riding with other tandems.
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    Hey, Patrick,

    Thanks for the holler. Good options. We'll definitely get in touch. Tagging up with the three of you might fill the bill nicely seeing how we'll both be coming off of recovery time. Keep cranking until then...

    Cheers,

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    Stevoo,

    We ride Chino 3 days a week but mostly weekdays in the mornings. We live very close to Rose and the dam. Let us know next time time you get out this way...I think we met She&I in Chino last Sun...Great to see other team...

    Also, we still want to hook up for the Oaks ride. Need practice on the switchbacks.

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    Teamburney,
    That would be great. Have not been riding the mtn tandem in a while just the road tandem as we were training for the Furnace Creek 508. Now that the 508 is over (it went great by the way) maybe we will get back on the mtn tandem. Short winter days and back to std time spells the end of weekday after work Chino rides. I believe they frown on night riding there. Please correct me if I am mistaken. I will see if I can remember to ping you should we find ourselves headed to Chino on some weekend. It would be fun to ride w another tandem.

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    If the weather is nice next Saturday (Nov.19th) we plan on riding Santiago Oaks again. If there is anybody that wants to join, the more the merrier. Big bikes are a blast at the Oaks. We meet at Irvine Regional Park around 8:30-8:45 in parking lot #3. Total switchback fun, if you ain't going up, you're bombing down.

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    Finally, we should be in on the Nov.19th ride. I just rode solo bike there with our Tues/Thurs. morning group.Great place, looking forward to following the tandem pros and learning.Keep us posted...

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    Bill, look forward to riding with you guys on Saturday, we're hardly tandem pro's but we do have fun.

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    Who's going tomorrow morning at 8:30 IRP??? Looks like weather is going to hold up,no rain till Sun.We are still in...

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    Cheering you guys on...



    Have fun and blast it out. Hope to join youz later.

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    Bill, we're still planning on being there tomorrow morning. You're right it looks like the weather may hold out long enough for us to get a ride in, just need to bring the long sleeves. We have our sitter coming by our house @ 8:00 then we'll leave. Thats why I say we'll be there 8:30-8:45ish. Parking lot #3, see you tomorrow. We may have a couple of singles join us also, just to show them what big bikes can do. I rode there Wednesday and the trails are in primo condition.

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    We will see you there. Hopefully last minute viewers will show up...Come on Big Bikes....

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    Hats off to the Zibell Team, they're awesome on the big bike. Thanks again for a great ride at the Oaks and for your patience with us.It gives us a goal.

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    Bill and Nancy, thanks for coming out and riding with us. We had a fun time, and the burgers and beers post ride were not bad either. You guys did good for your first ride at the Oaks. That place is not an easy place for big bikes with all the switchbacks. You're either riding up or down and the little rain at the begining of the ride got a couple of the trails a little slick. I downloaded the video I shot of us riding down Chutes Ridgeline but the angle of the camera only got my front tire and a couple of feet in front of it, not the best. I guess we need to go back and try again.

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    Patrick, do you happen to know the gear ratio on the big bike? Ours has 22 front 36 rear. It just seemed like you had the ability to spin faster uphill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teamburney View Post
    Patrick, do you happen to know the gear ratio on the big bike? Ours has 22 front 36 rear. It just seemed like you had the ability to spin faster uphill.
    Not Patrick, but FWIW, often if you can fit a 22, you can get a 20 on it.

    Hoping I don't make fool of myself in regards to a Davinchi or some form of 4 bolt cranks that won't take a 20.

    20/36 with a 26" wheel is some serious climbing gears...We need to come trash our sea level flat terrain legs.

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