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    Ecdm 29

    We finally received the rest of out parts and as a result, now have a complete bike.

    Here's the lowdown:
    Ventana ECDM 29 frame carbon black (17/16) 145 rear spacing
    SRAM XO 3x10
    Maura MT4 brakes
    Chris King hubs (36h) laced to Velocity P35 rims
    Fox 34 Talas fork
    DaVinci cranks (anodized black) 22-32-44
    Phil Wood BBs
    11/36 cassette
    Happy to say that it came in under 43 lbs (ready to ride, including pedals)

    In case you are really paying attention, You may notice the rear brake is an Avid BB7, it's temporary, until I get a longer brake line for the Magura.

    Only been on two rides so far, but we're already digging the new bike. I'll follow up with a full review, but it may have to wait until spring. We'll see if the weather cooperates...

    Here's a couple of pics
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    I would have expected no less. Very nice.

    145mm rear for wheel interchangeability with the Fandango?

    Again very nice.

    Is it fast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMK View Post
    I would have expected no less. Very nice.

    145mm rear for wheel interchangeability with the Fandango?

    Again very nice.

    Is it fast?

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    Thanks PK!

    145 for added strength on the 29" wheel.

    Fast as we can pedal it! Which is relatively slow these days.

    I need to ride the Fandango back to back with the ECDM to get a good perspective. But I think the black bike will become our "go to" bike, especially on the rougher trails.

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    I hate to ask but is the fork tandem rated? It looks like it has the Kashima coating. Fifteen millimeter through axle?

    Very sweet build.

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    Jamie, FWIW, NO Fox fork is tandem rated. They are quite explicit in their warranty statement.

    On that build, with xc as the goal, Jeanne and I, would run that thing all day long.

    We have never run a 15mm axle, maybe DS can comment on the 15mm axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malaclemys View Post
    I hate to ask but is the fork tandem rated? It looks like it has the Kashima coating. Fifteen millimeter through axle?

    Very sweet build.
    Nope. Fox does not rate any of their forks for tandem use. 15mm through axle, 34mm stanchions. We a are relatively light team...

    Thanks! It's a ton of fun!

    Interesting observation after a few rides, with the Talas fork, I have switched between 110mm of travel and 140mm and they are not kidding when they say that a frame is "optimized" for a certain travel fork. The bike rides way better with the shorter travel. I guess this should not be a surprise, but it is apparent when you can switch back and forth on the fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fai View Post
    Many changes for 2012
    Beyond the HT change, what else changed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fai View Post
    I spy with my little eye... something beginning with "tapered headtube" and "Kashima coated Fox shock"...

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    The FlickR account says it was taken in August. The photo is the same frame that was on the recently posted link to the new Ventana website.

    As cool as it is, we'll run our 2006 until a major redesign is released.

    Overall, these bikes are very capable of some serious riding.

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    Lowered bottom brackets,more aggressive geometry, shorter wheelbase, increased captain standover clearance, tapered head tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fai View Post
    Lowered bottom brackets,more aggressive geometry, shorter wheelbase, increased captain standover clearance, tapered head tube.
    While the more aggressive geometry would be nice, complimented also with less length, lower bottom brackets means we won't be owning a new Ventana. That alone, less clearance, is a deal breaker for us since our current bike ECDM is so limited in regards to getting over or through stuff clean.

    It is such a bummer to be killing tight, rip the ends of your grips off, singletrack with a group single bikes, only to have to stop and lift the bike over stuff that isn't that tall, but forces the tandem to be lifted over.

    I have some ideas on how I want our ultimate frame to be and also better fork design since the tandems can't wheely or lift the front easily. So much of how we ride is based on keeping speed and momentum and as good as it is now, it can be better. More finesse, less of a controlled crash.

    Maybe it is time to draw the plans and work with a custom shop to build what we really want / need..

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMK View Post
    While the more aggressive geometry would be nice, complimented also with less length, lower bottom brackets means we won't be owning a new Ventana. That alone, less clearance, is a deal breaker for us since our current bike ECDM is so limited in regards to getting over or through stuff clean.

    Maybe it is time to draw the plans and work with a custom shop to build what we really want / need..

    PK
    You can always contact Sherwood about a full custom. I agree with the bb height and think that a lower bb will cause issues. We're riding and old school ECDM circa 2001. I'm waiting for somebody to pull the trigger on a new frame so that I can buy their old one. I'd like a 2010 frame with 6" rockers and a coil shock to compliment our 66VF fork. I'd like to wait for a 29er ECDM but I'm waiting on forks and wheels, and I don't see a 29er full bore DH bike in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zibell View Post
    You can always contact Sherwood about a full custom. I agree with the bb height and think that a lower bb will cause issues. We're riding and old school ECDM circa 2001. I'm waiting for somebody to pull the trigger on a new frame so that I can buy their old one. I'd like a 2010 frame with 6" rockers and a coil shock to compliment our 66VF fork. I'd like to wait for a 29er ECDM but I'm waiting on forks and wheels, and I don't see a 29er full bore DH bike in the near future.
    Patrick Zibell
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    We'll see, Sherwood seems pretty busy and Teresa, possibly via Sherwood was not to interested in truly going "full custom". I inquired about building a bike with the new ass end on it. As I said, they were very busy at the time, so who knows.

    Probably should just ride more, pedal harder, go faster, and if needed hold on tighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fai View Post
    Lowered bottom brackets,more aggressive geometry, shorter wheelbase, increased captain standover clearance, tapered head tube.
    Where'd you get that info?
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    Another California tandem posted in the Ventana section

    Follow along children. Tandem build!
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    Here is our new coupled ECDM 29er that we took delivery of two weeks ago. We put it together rode it 150 yards and put it back in the cases and flew to Moab and did a five day Maze trip in Canyonlands National Park. The bike exceeded our expectations in just about every way. We have a 26 ECDM also and the bikes ride quite differently. We were able to ride some of the most technical stuff we have ever ridden. It is also the most plush ride we have ridden and the new WTB Loop fork worked very well. Sherwood worked to give me as much standover height as he could and it is much better then the 26 in that regards. It is a 17/16. Alex at MTB tandems did a great job as the bike was flawless on the 5 day ride with just the usual breakin adjustments needed. It is as easy to pack as our road tandem and each case weighted 49 lbs packed so it meets airline requirements and we were not charged to fly with it. We also rented a standard car so it saved from having to rent a van. A few trips will save the cost of the couplers. BTW the couplers from Ventana are the best bargain in biking at $1500 which includes the hard cases and tubing cover material. The cases sell for 500 each. Alex was able to find a few things in blue to compliment the frame color and add a little bling. The best thing about the bike was that Karen absolutely loved the new bike so I had a very happy stoker and did not drop her once on the trip. The pictures show a little bit of the record snow we had this year in Anchorage.
    17/16 coupled 29er ECDM frame
    sram drivetrain 3X9 w/grip shift
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    FSA Carbon bars
    Chris King hubs w/ Sun rims sapin spokes WTB 2.5 tires
    Hope V2 tech brakes w/ floating discs
    complete with spectacular stoker
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    Very, very nice. I'll be interested to know what you decide to do about the couplers and trail dust.

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    Very nice looking bike!!! Some day when I am packing my "uncoupled" bike to travel to some far away place I am going to wish we had ours built coupled as well...

    I still owe a longer term report on our bike, maybe with some detailed pics like akexpress has done.

    By the way, what is your low gear? or what cassette and chainrings are you running?

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    ride picture

    great with kids too
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    Looking to upgrade my 9 year old brakes. How do you like the V2's? Have you had the chance to give em a good workout yet? On the fence between the 2013 Saint and the Hope V2. My Hope Enduro 4 pots work fine for normal stuff but killer hills cook em.

    Awesome bike you have there by the way. Keep us posted on how the couplers work out for you.

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    Hey Stevoo, my 4pots also boil on big downhills(luckly they come back fast)
    . Are you running braided lines or standard lines? I'm running standard lines and was wondering if the braided lines would be any better performance on the big downhills?

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    Running standard lines as well. The braided lines won't help as the fluid is boiling inside where the pistons get the heat from the pad backing. The braided line is so small of an addition of thin metal on the outside that from a heatsink standpoint it ain't gonna help and it is too fr away from the heat source to be of any use. . Just for an example: I used some thermally conductive epoxy and huge aluminum heatsinks on a previous model caliper and they worked great to get the recovery time down but they in no way addressed the root cause of the problem. Still boiled fluid. If you have melted off the current kevlar hose then the braided hose may help fix that. The heat deal and boiling fluid is a whole other can o worms.

    Been using the super duper Motul brake fluid and I change it often. Using 205mm rotors, EBC organic red pads seem to insulate the heat from the caliper best but wear fast. OEM Hope pads boil fluid rather quickly, sintered metal pads boil fluid in 15 seconds (calipers not designed for sintered metal pads). I was going to machine phenolic pistons to insulate the calipers from the heat but never seem to have enough time to get to it. Called hope and looked at their tech drawings and they went from using stainless pistons to titanium pistons and now I see on some parts lists that they are now using phenolic pistons. That takes them up to 1970's motorcycle technology. I think the V2 uses phenolic pistons and are quite big calipers so that is why I am interested in how they work out.

    I am also interested in the 2013 Shimano Saint's as they seem to be designed to use sintered pads but I worry about the use of mineral oil for fluid. I hear they will also be using the finned heatsink pads like the XTR Trail brakes. We shal see,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevoo View Post
    Looking to upgrade my 9 year old brakes. How do you like the V2's? Have you had the chance to give em a good workout yet? On the fence between the 2013 Saint and the Hope V2. My Hope Enduro 4 pots work fine for normal stuff but killer hills cook em.

    Awesome bike you have there by the way. Keep us posted on how the couplers work out for you.
    I am very impressed with the V2 brakes. We had some quite long technical descents 800-1000 ft and they were flawless. silent and no apparent fluid issues. I wonder if some of the perceived boil issues are in fact off gassing of the pads. We have braided lines. Our friends whom weigh about 40lbs less then us had issues with the saints very noisy and loss of braking they hated them and it was a new set. Our other bike has mono6 ti and the V2 are better in my opinion. I am getting more experienced about brakes on tandems then I want as we had issues on Mt Ventoux on our Calfee road tandem last year. We started a thread over on the road tandem forum regarding Avid mechanical discs. We are a 340 lbs team with lots of riding for many years but only abut 5 years on tandems. I do not expect any coupler issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevoo View Post
    Been using the super duper Motul brake fluid and I change it often.
    Just wondered if you're aware of Castrol React SRF Racing?

    Spec sheet: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/castr...srf-racing.pdf

    Dry boiling points are about the same ~600F, but where as the Motul 660 has a wet boiling point of 400F... the Castrol has a wet boiling point of ~520F(!!!).

    But I guess if you're cooking dry fluid, then perhaps the heatsinks need to be conductive-epoxied on to the pad backing plates somehow?

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    Heat sink backing plates would help and I am thinking about that. But still the root of the problem is that the pistons are stainless steel and the heat from even aluminum backing plates will go straight through them and then boil the fluid. Might help some by directing some heat towarards the fins though. Mostly a band aid fix though.

    I did see the Castrol fluid and the excellent performace when wet. I change the fluid so often that I am not willing to pay the price for that stuff $$. Dry it is the same as the Motul 660. Nice thing about the Hope's is that they bleed like a car and it is super easy and fast.

    Overall the Hope's are really nice. I guess I just need to buy the newer models as they are getting better and more suited to higher performance demands.

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    Is that with a Hope vented disc too?

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    I am not using the vented disc just the floating. I am happy with the performance at this point but if it deteriorates I will try the vented discs.
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    Smile Other Aussie EDcM owners??

    Hi, just a brief message to ask if there are any Aussie ECdM owners who use this forum?
    My wife and I are awaiting the delivery of our 29er from Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE ECdM View Post
    Hi, just a brief message to ask if there are any Aussie ECdM owners who use this forum?
    My wife and I are awaiting the delivery of our 29er from Alex
    Not an Aussie but We don't think you will be disappointed with your Made in the USA ECDM or any dealings with MTB Tandems. Be sure to post pics and your ride experiences here. Good Luck!
    Ed and Pat Gifford
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    Thanks Ed or Pat, I have been very happy with the process of plan, order, build so far. Our ECdM is due to leave Atlanta this week for the long trip Down Under.
    It's 29er ECdM
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    Cheers,
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    Hi everyone,

    This is my first post, but I have been reading mtbr/mtbtandem for few months now. I and my spouse live in southern Finland. We have been riding our mini tandem for 1,5 years and decided to expand our riding territory.

    We bought our first mtbTandem and it is Ventana ECDM 17/14. It is former showroom bike. Specs include...

    RS Pike 454
    DT Swiss 540 rear hub / mavic 729
    XT front hub / mavic 729
    XT derailleurs and Deore shifters
    Truvativ Firex chainset (Picture: Shimano Ultergra ISIS)
    Magura Louise 203/180 brakes
    Schwalbe Racing Ralphs

    We have been riding for couple of weeks and we have enjoyed very much. Only thing I would like to change is Racing Ralphs. I have been looking for more aggressive tyres which have decent rolling resistance. I think Maxxis Ardents could be one option to consider, but I don't know does 2,4" Ardent fit into rear fork... Is there teams riding with Maxxis Ardent 2.4" ?

    Ville&Elina
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    Our bike:
    w w w.flickr.com/photos/villeparkkinen/7543784380/

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    Welcome to Tim & Jodie and Ville & Elina!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaitettaVille View Post
    Hi everyone,

    This is my first post, but I have been reading mtbr/mtbtandem for few months now. I and my spouse live in southern Finland. We have been riding our mini tandem for 1,5 years and decided to expand our riding territory.

    We bought our first mtbTandem and it is Ventana ECDM 17/14. It is former showroom bike. Specs include...

    RS Pike 454
    DT Swiss 540 rear hub / mavic 729
    XT front hub / mavic 729
    XT derailleurs and Deore shifters
    Truvativ Firex chainset (Picture: Shimano Ultergra ISIS)
    Magura Louise 203/180 brakes
    Schwalbe Racing Ralphs

    We have been riding for couple of weeks and we have enjoyed very much. Only thing I would like to change is Racing Ralphs. I have been looking for more aggressive tyres which have decent rolling resistance. I think Maxxis Ardents could be one option to consider, but I don't know does 2,4" Ardent fit into rear fork... Is there teams riding with Maxxis Ardent 2.4" ?

    Ville&Elina
    Hyvinkaa, Finland

    Our bike:
    w w w.flickr.com/photos/villeparkkinen/7543784380/
    Wow nice ride love the color


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    Quote Originally Posted by AUSSIE ECdM View Post
    Hi, just a brief message to ask if there are any Aussie ECdM owners who use this forum?
    My wife and I are awaiting the delivery of our 29er from Alex
    You mean this one?
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    You are a legend Alex, can't wait to receive this ECdM then get out for our first ride, cheers and thanks again Alex (and your team), Tim-Downunder

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    We made short video about our favorite singletrack. We are using ECDM, so maybe this is right topic .

    youtu.be/6lA_Ygaxk1k

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    Nice trail! Looks like a green version of Bend, Oregon.

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    Good video. For some reason the shots going through the trees when you can't see the tandem or riders reminds me of Star Wars and being on the Speeder bikes on Endor.
    Beautiful area! and Great looking ECDM.
    Ed and Pat Gifford
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    Nice video work!!
    looks like a fun place to ride my daughter wants to know if you ever seen Bigfoot

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    Quote Originally Posted by XC Mike View Post
    Nice video work!!
    looks like a fun place to ride my daughter wants to know if you ever seen Bigfoot
    Thank you! We have very few elusive animals in Finland. . I think once we thought we had a lion running loose near Russian border. We were wrong, it was runaway dog. So, no, We haven't had any Big Foot sightings!

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    This place has been kind of dead lately, maybe nobody is riding anymore, maybe riding all the time, or possibly there is a new hangout and I am unaware of.

    So just to toss in a post, been working on the ECDM a little, actually riding it more.

    Did a quicky rear shock rebuild, it was overdue, so I made that happen one night before a ride. Also dropped the lowers on the Fox 40, cleaning and lubing seals plus a new shot of lower leg fluid.

    Decided the rear der that came on the bike SRAM X7 was getting a bit sloppy. So I opted in for keeping the black / red theme alive and found a used XO rear der with the red colored and carbon cage. Not a bad touch, looks good and was a fraction of new in cost. Shifting improved also.

    Tires are spent, so should have some new Panaracer Rampages here by the end of the week.

    I've been accused of not ever using brakes, but somehow it's time for new brake pads too.

    I'll see if I can get another photo next week after it gets washed, and finish up some more maintenance items.

    In regards to the red accents, the frame is the same Black Super Dust, it has red Race Face cranks with polished outer edge lips, red seat collars, red (Manitou) valve stem cap on the Fox DHX air 5.0 Boost Valve, Red accents from the Avid BB7 brakes front and rear, and red valve stem caps on the tubes. Offsetting the red is the blue of the Fox 40 fork and DHX air adjuster knobs and decals. The polished rims, which seem dated, along with the polished rear triangle prevent the silly "murdered out" look as they call it.

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    Hi Paul and Jeanne,
    Glad to hear all is well and you're riding comfotably again.Good to hear about the Fandango also as selling a bike with that much blood, sweat and tears into it is like selling one of the family. We have also been riding a fair amount as the summer up here has been very condusive to it. The weather has not been too dry and not too wet(the lawn is still green) and the same temperature wise.Trying to take advantage of that.We rode with the DOGS last weekend and had a good time doing so.It is amazing at the comments a group of 4 or 5 tandems get riding through a bunch of single bikes on the trail. We chose not to travel this year and have been enjoying life at the Jersey Shore.
    Stay in touch,
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    Been riding off and on this summer due to injuries, but the bike has been pretty solid. Lots of wear-item replacements in the last few months (RD, cassette, chain, and cables). Been dealing with the 2011 Marzocchi 66 QR20 that loosens up slightly over time, giving a clunking at the front end. Finally figured out some tricks to securing it (had no issues the first six months or so), including greasing it and adding a section of road tube as a rubber boot to prevent grit from co-mingling with the grease.

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    So many nice colors I would have a hard time picking a color if I had too

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    Quote Originally Posted by XC Mike View Post
    So many nice colors I would have a hard time picking a color if I had too
    It's worse than that! Ventana has a wide range of colors you CAN pick from, beyond the "normal" ones generally offered or spec'ed as standard for a particular frame.

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    ECDM 29 update

    PMK, great to hear that you are back on the Ventana!!

    I suppose it is time to check back in regarding our ECDM 29. It's been nearly a year and we have put some miles on this bike! No races ths year, but lots of long fun rides. We are extremely pleased with this bike. I think that's an understatement. A little history for those who may not know. We started on the MTB tandem several years back with a 26" ECDM. The bike was purchased and built with the intent on riding/racing the Leadville 100. We completed that race in 2009 and 2010. Very happy with the 26" wheeled bike, but was intrigued with the bigger wheels and figured the larger wheel (especially the front) would be a huge benefit for the offload tandem - b/c it is nearly impossible to lift the front end over obstacles. So in 2010, we decided to build a Fandango 29, this was a bit of an experiment, but figured that we could build that bike quite a bit cheaper than a ECDM 29. Long story short, we were big fans of the big wheels. After one season on that bike we decided that the 26" ECDM had to go to make room for a 29" wheeled ECDM.

    That brings us to where we are now. I'll cut to the chase, this bike is awesome! I don't know if I would change one thing if I were to do it all over again from scratch.

    The build:
    Ventana ECDM 29" frame (17/16) tapered head tube , carbon black, powder coated rear triangle 145 spacing
    DaVinci cranks (anodized black)
    Phil wood Ti BBs
    Magura MT6 brakes (203 rotors)
    SRAM X9 10sp 3x10 (11/36 cassette)
    Thompson seatposts
    Chris King headset
    Maverick DUC 32 fork - Switched to Fox 34 again
    Chris King hubs, laced to Velocity P35 rims
    Maxxis Ardent 2.4 front tire
    Panaracer Rampage 2.35 rear tire
    That's the main stuff...

    I guess the bike has a little longer wheelbase, but I don't seem to notice any issues. Ventana makes an amazing frame! Alex at MTBTandems.com Home Page is a pleasure to deal with and knows his stuff!!

    I'm sure I could go on an on about the bike, but it is just the perfect bike! If you have the means, get yourself one of these bikes!!!! So maybe this is not much of a critical review as it is a testimonial as to how much we love our bike! What I can say is that after spec'ing two other tandems and riding them thousands of miles, we have dialed in our perfect bike.

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/40sl72uIsG3NlgOYufMIvIbegU6n-SWayUsobVwarXg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P-E5MkDCjSI/T_z12wEk9hI/AAAAAAAAFHk/0HJsDBH6pO0/s640/DSC_0045.JPG" height="425" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/dan.orlinski/MTBTandems?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">MTB tandems</a></td></tr></table>

    Click the link at the bottom of this picture to see some amazing views from the 401 trail in Crested Butte Colorado. If you view it via slide show, there's some narration at the bottom of each picture.
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    Great pics Dan and Bevin, thanks for the follow up report on the 29er ECDM. Glad to hear you're happy with it. We haven't been to Colorado since 1977 for our 5th anniversary.( Yes we've been married that long!). Seeing your pics sure makes me want to go again.
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    Nice Lookin' Ride Dan
    what stoker stem you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XC Mike View Post
    Nice Lookin' Ride Dan
    what stoker stem you running?
    Thanks!!! As you can gather, we like it!

    The stoker stem is actually a trials stem (fixed length) I think it is 175mm.

    Potence Echo SL 20" CNC 175mm x 30 degrés - TRIALPROD

    I did not buy it from there - but I think that's the one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ds2199 View Post
    Thanks!!! As you can gather, we like it!

    The stoker stem is actually a trials stem (fixed length) I think it is 175mm.

    Potence Echo SL 20" CNC 175mm x 30 degrés - TRIALPROD

    I did not buy it from there - but I think that's the one!
    Thanks Dan!

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    Finally found this video taken during New Years.

    It is us, two crazed grandparents.

    Not sure we would have tried this on a hardtail tandem.

    FWIW, the fall to the inside of the turn is like 5 or 6 feet straight down, the entry is very rooted, and the final drop in is scalloped pretty nasty, with a huge floating root.

    Being honest, I walked it a couple times before riding it.

    Narration is from Chris J, another tandem team captain

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMK View Post
    Finally found this video taken during New Years.

    It is us, two crazed grandparents.

    Not sure we would have tried this on a hardtail tandem.

    FWIW, the fall to the inside of the turn is like 5 or 6 feet straight down, the entry is very rooted, and the final drop in is scalloped pretty nasty, with a huge floating root.

    Being honest, I walked it a couple times before riding it.

    Narration is from Chris J, another tandem team captain

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    Bottom Bracket height on the 29er

    Hello happy tandem riders,

    A little intro: we are from France, riding a 20th century Univega Full suspension tandem:
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    We are so interested by the 29 ECDM. But as we checked the geometry I'm really scared by the tall bottom bracket height: 15,57 inches for the captain !!!
    As I checked on solo MTB, the 29 version of 26 bike usually had even a lower bottom bracket !!! see stumpjumper 29 and 26, Santa Cruz Blur Lt, Intense Tracer 2

    So what do you think and for those happy 29 owners, what's your riding report ?

    Have a good ride !
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    Welcome! I would say that optimal BB height depends somewhat on your terrain. We live and ride where there are many rocks and obstacles, so for us a higher BB equals more clearance and fewer pedal strikes. Our 26" Ventana is over 16" BB height. It is tall, but once riding it, I don't notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leszazas View Post
    Hello happy tandem riders,

    A little intro: we are from France, riding a 20th century Univega Full suspension tandem:
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    We are so interested by the 29 ECDM. But as we checked the geometry I'm really scared by the tall bottom bracket height: 15,57 inches for the captain !!!
    As I checked on solo MTB, the 29 version of 26 bike usually had even a lower bottom bracket !!! see stumpjumper 29 and 26, Santa Cruz Blur Lt, Intense Tracer 2

    So what do you think and for those happy 29 owners, what's your riding report ?

    Have a good ride !
    Amélie and Laurent
    Welcome to MTBR Amélie and Laurent
    How about a new thread showing more pictures of your tandem....
    also how is that Lefty working out never thought it would work on a tandem

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    Quote Originally Posted by leszazas View Post
    We are so interested by the 29 ECDM. But as we checked the geometry I'm really scared by the tall bottom bracket height: 15,57 inches for the captain !!!
    The Ventana website shows the fork length as 518mm, so that would be a 120mm travel 29er fork... so the Ventana geometry numbers are of the bike unsagged (which I personally think is a bit useless, solo or tandems).

    With 5in travel upfront and 4in out back and sagged 30%, sagged captain BB height would be ~14.0in and stoker BB height would be ~13.8. That's not so bad considering you do need the BB's a bit higher on a tandem compared to a solo bike to not get constant pedal strikes...

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    Oh yes we should present ourselves, I will as soon as... I have time home !!!

    For the Lefty it's really a good fork for us, it's the spring version on the picture with the stronger steel spring (perfect) and we soon will have the air one. It's so rigid. In the meantime we have a FOX 36 Float reduced to 140mm travel and I have strange feeling on diagonal roots and ridges, not on braking as I would have think. Like if the fork was flexing lateraly if my english is not to bad !!! I almost crash the other day with this lateral flex on a leaning mini-jump reception. I had a 36 on my solo and it was not flexy at all !!!

    Have a good ride !
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    I couldn't make a new thread for tire speculation, so I start it here (I have only 3 posts...).

    Today riding from work we got 9 (n-i-n-e) cuts in rear tire sidewalls. Three cuts on driveside and six on non-driveside. We were exploring "new" trails and backend whipped from side to side during rocky sections. Stoker was singing her happy song, but we managed to get through without incidents. 'while riding to next trail section, we noticed considerable wobble on rear tire and found those nasty cuts.

    Tires were intact after saturdays ride, so todays ride was very tough for tires. We have been running Nobby Nics 2.25" front and rear.

    We have had the wettest summer in 150 years, but Nobby Nics have been very reliable on slimy roots and wet rock. NN are little bit slow for out taste, so we are looking alternatives with similar grip but little less rolling resistance. Suggestions?

    Local shop carries Continental Mountain King II Protection 2.2 (I think it is too thin for my liking) and Rubber Queen 2.2 (much wider than Mountain king, but is slower)... Anyone using Mountain King 2.2 or Rubber Queen 2.2 (Trail king in North America) in ECDM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaitettaVille View Post
    I couldn't make a new thread for tire speculation, so I start it here (I have only 3 posts...).

    Today riding from work we got 9 (n-i-n-e) cuts in rear tire sidewalls. Three cuts on driveside and six on non-driveside. We were exploring "new" trails and backend whipped from side to side during rocky sections. Stoker was singing her happy song, but we managed to get through without incidents. 'while riding to next trail section, we noticed considerable wobble on rear tire and found those nasty cuts.
    ...
    Ugh! Nine cuts?!

    I recently put a nevgal tubeless 2.35 on the back of the 26er ECDM. So far so good....
    Have been having tire durability issues on my 1-seat bike too....
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Ugh! Nine cuts?!

    I recently put a nevgal tubeless 2.35 on the back of the 26er ECDM. So far so good....
    Have been having tire durability issues on my 1-seat bike too....
    Today I changed tires and took a closer look. There was abrasion on both sides of sidewalls. We are using mavic dh-rims, so 2,25" Nobby nics are very full and side walls come out wider than side knobs. I think our trails and riding style is just very tough for sidewalls if side knobs aren't wide enough.

    I went to local shop and they had Rubber Queen 2,4" (Black Chilli compound). I wasn't sure if it would fit to ECDM rear fork. Fortunately it fits, but there is just 5 mm room over the tire. Rubber queen feels more rugged than Nobby Nics, but time will tell. Side knobs are little wider, but I think sidewalls are still in danger.

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    Our ECDM is apart for some maintenance. I had shared my concern about the upper shock bolt for those running a 6mm diameter bolt.

    If you own an ECDM and ride hard...

    Today I was able to disassemble the rear end. For those that have never had the rear suspension apart, it's pretty easy.

    I have the Ventana bearing removal and install tool and must say it is money well spent. With the swingarm, seatstay and rocker removed, the Ventana tool easily pressed out all the bearings in a leisurely 15 minutes. All the bearings had the seal removed, were solvent washed, greased with Bel-Ray waterproof grease. I greased the bearings 100% full prior to installing the seals.

    After cleaning the suspension components, all the bearings were again easily installed.

    We ride pretty much all year round. For those that do winter maintenance, this would be a worthy task. Tomorrow I plan to reassemble the rear suspension. The one real caution will be to ensure the pivot threads are clean and free of grease so the Loctite will bond.

    The one problem that did occur was during disassembly. The left side seatstay / rocker pivot had the stainless post unscrew from the seatstay bridge. No damage, just cleaned it with Brakleen, applied Loctite Red 271 and reinstalled.

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    While we haven't put a ton of miles on our ECdM in the last few months, it hasn't needed anything and continues to be ready to rock. We haven't even broken anything since the SRAM chain (which must have been a bad batch of chains as we're still running them) incident, and after switching out from the WI rear hub. Maintenance here and there, and lots of cleaning, but that's about it. A lot fewer air pressure adjustments in the fork after switching to a coil-sprung 66EVO.

    WTB Prowler 2.4s on the street howl like a Jeep with monster mudders, but even that works to our advantage on the street and hardpack sections since people can hear us comin'. And despite riding our local trails for over five years, we still get people with comments like "...they're not going to go through the creek bed on that thing, are they...?"

    It would be nice to pull 7-8 pounds out of the bike, but we don't have that kind of money. Even if we did, I'd imagine it would result in some increase in trailside repairs and long walks out. In the face of the cost alone, I'm happier with the slightly more blunt and burly instrument.

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    I'll agree, so far our ECDM has held up very well to the abuse. I guess to the point of planning to do things like these pivots but it just keeps going, so they never got done.

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    Did you find any notches in the bearings when you pulled them? Our aluminum ECdM had them after about 3.5 years of riding without any sort of service or rotation. I wonder what the cost of the bearing tool is versus new bearings. ...But, then I'll need the bearing tool to R&R the new bearings anyway. Drat.

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    A couple were gritty but are fine. I believe the bearing kit is fairly expensive since it includes new bolts and such.

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    During the rear end rebuild, I found our upper shock bolt bent. After a short discussion with Sherwood at Ventana, I also learned, that for our ECDM, we could gain additional rear end stiffness by replacing not only the upper shock bolt but also all the suspension pivot bolts.

    These bolts high end metric fasteners are not available from Ventana. So, I had to order by the box from the fastener manufacturer.

    If anyone has an interest in upgrading there ECDM, shoot me a PM and I can send the fasteners for what they cost me plus some USPS shipping.

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    96 ecdm

    Well Rene and Kristi from City of Angels. Built this up in 96 and it has seen many transformations since... The Bike has been awesome and has towed a burley trailer with 2 kids in it all around the western states... The Wife and I are going to be doin alot more rides and hopefully we'll see you out there. As far as the the Electric Green Monster... I would love to go 29er 2x10 etc but it just works soooo well??? I upgraded the rear to 5" and I have a 6" in front.

    Some upgrades I will be doing:

    Lockout suspension front and rear
    Possibly a 27.5 front wheel ???
    Formula the one brakes

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    Nice! Love the color!
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    Rene & Kristi, Nice bike, we ride a similar bike just 5 years newer. Our son is 6 and we went through the Burley and now we tow him on a trail-a-bike. I'm interested in the upgrade to 5" in the rear. Our ECDM has a 6" Marzocchi 66 in the front and only the standard 4" rear. The ride is fine and we really don't seem to use up all the rear travel, but maybe the extra inch in the rear might speed up the steering.

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    youtu.be/mxX6_RwGSUo

    Our new conquest in Hyvinkää, Finland. This trail is used for MtbEnduro competitions. We weren't as smooth as we would liked to be, but we had lots of fun filming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaitettaVille View Post
    youtu.be/mxX6_RwGSUo

    Our new conquest in Hyvinkää, Finland. This trail is used for MtbEnduro competitions. We weren't as smooth as we would liked to be, but we had lots of fun filming.
    I like it!! The trail looks fun and challenging.

    As for not riding the entire trail clean, it happens.

    The riding looks some similar to the trails in New England here in the US. Rocky, Hardpack and often wet in places. Trees appear similar too.

    Thanks for sharing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaitettaVille View Post
    youtu.be/mxX6_RwGSUo

    Our new conquest in Hyvinkää, Finland. This trail is used for MtbEnduro competitions. We weren't as smooth as we would liked to be, but we had lots of fun filming.
    Nice job with the movie.Looks like it was fun.As far as smoothness goes I think some movies you see the mistakes or bobbles are left on the editing room floor. Leaving a few in takes a lot more courage. Beautiful area that you have to ride in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by giff07 View Post
    Nice job with the movie.Looks like it was fun.As far as smoothness goes I think some movies you see the mistakes or bobbles are left on the editing room floor. Leaving a few in takes a lot more courage. Beautiful area that you have to ride in.
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    The latest video I am working on editing is planned, not from your post, but I decided I wanted to show our first attempt that had us fail a climb, followed by more bobbles before we got going again. Then the second attempt which we were able to make the climb clean.

    FWIW, seems the places we tend to video, a crash could be not in our best interest. The cool funny crashes or hangup never seem to be on video.

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    Don't be offended Paul. There was not any finger pointing intended by my comment. It was simply stating that it was easy to make a video without any mistakes in riding technique through creative editing and it took more courage to leave a few mistakes in. If we rode perfectly all the time without any crashes or bobbles riding the tandem wouldn't be near as much fun or the trails would be so boring we might as well road ride.
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    Ed, no offense taken in any way. I agree, so often some cool stuff is left out with near misses and crashes.

    As I mentioned, I have another video from the same event, we were on a trail section and did not make a climb. The hurried haste to get going again and out of the way for other coming riders, is a disaster that draws blood. PO'd, as Captain of the ship I set out for a clean run, which we get in the second try.

    I have another video from the same weekend. On a climb, a rider in front of us gets off his bike to push up the hill. I am telling him to get out of the way. Suffice to say the collision is impressive on video. The other guy has a rear der squashed into his spokes from the down stroke of my left pedal. I will need to do an audio edit also...there were some bad words from mouth after we got rolling again.

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    ECDM 29er Rocks!

    Very good bike capable of most trails a single bike can ride. We have been in Arizona for the past week and ridden: Sedona, Prescott, and Scottsdale. Sedona was a real eye opener for what the bike can get through, up, and over, cleanly. Pretty amazing really. I guess I need to get a GoPro.

    The high bottom bracket makes it possible to get through the rocks. High speed steering stability suffers a bit but it corners good enough. Anyone try a Hopey steering damper?
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    I don't know of anyone here that runs a Hopey. There was a good discussion of it on Double Forte a few years ago. Should be able to find it with a search there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebnelson View Post
    Very good bike capable of most trails a single bike can ride. We have been in Arizona for the past week and ridden: Sedona, Prescott, and Scottsdale. Sedona was a real eye opener for what the bike can get through, up, and over, cleanly. Pretty amazing really. I guess I need to get a GoPro.

    The high bottom bracket makes it possible to get through the rocks. High speed steering stability suffers a bit but it corners good enough. Anyone try a Hopey steering damper?
    What would you deem as high speed steering stability in regards to actual speed and terrain type?

    A lot of how the bike feels and reacts is based not only on headtube angle but fork offset dimension which relates directly to the dimension for trail.

    The window off stabilty vs speed related to trail dimension is a very small change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMK View Post
    What would you deem as high speed steering stability in regards to actual speed and terrain type?

    A lot of how the bike feels and reacts is based not only on headtube angle but fork offset dimension which relates directly to the dimension for trail.

    The window off stabilty vs speed related to trail dimension is a very small change.

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    Stability is probably a misleading word to use. The steering is stable, but clipping rocks with the front tire, unexpectedly, is more likely on the tandem then single while descending. The same is true climbing where the intended line may deviate a bit, especially in the little ring. The idea being that it might make the bike track a bit more nicely to slow down the steering. We've been riding in a lot of "baby head" sized rocks lately. On my enduro moto the steering damper helps from getting the bars yanked. I can definitely live without one but would be interested to see if any tandem teams have tried one.
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    I run a Scotts / Ohlins steering damper on my KTM, so I understand where you are coming from. However, as a suspension tuner, my thoughts are the suspension is not dialed in and deflecting.

    Dampers are neat devices, and can make good suspension better. A damper on poor suspension acts as a band aid and helps hide or cover up poor setups. Not saying you have a poor setup, just something to maybe look closely at.

    Also, I don't know what fork you run, but as I have taught others, it does make a difference to properly align the fork tubes before tightening the axle pinch bolts. Moto guys should know this but often overlook it on their MTB.

    Tandem wise, when we ride local trails / terrain the low speed compression, high speed compression and rebound seldom get changed. On road trips, typically the stoker will make changes to the compression adjuster while rolling and I will make changes to the HSC and LSC as needed. Sounds complicated but really just a few clicks to take the edge off hack type square edges, limit rear squat, or help the bike turn better.

    We do not run a steering damper on the tandem, if we did, I doubt I would use a Hopey. I would likely adapt a CRF damper to the frame and lower triple clamp.

    Best of luck with it.

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    Want to add, being a 29r, you might just have a ton of wheel flex that noting less than different wheels will overcome. Our bike is a 26 so wheel flex is not a real issue.
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    We got our first decent helmet cam, so we had to make a test video.


    Snowride - MTBTandem movie
    youtu.be/oPv5hFA7pF8

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    Loved the video. My stoker was just watching over my shoulder too! Tandem watching a tandem on the computer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okayfine View Post
    Loved the video. My stoker was just watching over my shoulder too! Tandem watching a tandem on the computer!
    We love watching other teams riding different sections. We don't know any teams in Finland, so videos are only "peer group" and way to learn from others. It would be nice to have more tandem videos showing capabilities of the bike on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaitettaVille View Post
    We love watching other teams riding different sections. We don't know any teams in Finland, so videos are only "peer group" and way to learn from others. It would be nice to have more tandem videos showing capabilities of the bike on this forum.
    My stoker and I have been discussing getting some non bike mounted video. We have some ideas and will try and make it show bikes ability and my stupidity to ride crazy things.

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    New tandem team

    Been lurking here for a while and thinking of getting a MTB tandem. We've been mountain biking since the mid 80's and riding a road tandem for 3yrs, so we thought we would like to give it a try off road.
    This thread has been a big help. Soooo,

    Okay the deal is done, closed on a 2010 Ventana ECDM!!! Some highlights are; Sram XO code hyd discs front and rear, Fox Talas RC 36 150 mm fork, Sram X9 3x9 speed drive train. Should be delivered by Monday!

    Thanks for all the good info and motovation to see this thru.

    Oops, maybe should have posted in SoCal thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonP. View Post

    ...Oops, maybe should have posted in SoCal thread...
    Nah, fits the ECDM thread too. You can post in both

    Welcome to the forum!!

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    @DonP sounds nice and hope to see a few photos. Sounds like a great bike with many miles of enjoyment to be had.

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    We the people ... The Ventana arrived yesterday!

    Quote Originally Posted by PMK View Post
    @DonP sounds nice and hope to see a few photos. Sounds like a great bike with many miles of enjoyment to be had.

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    Got a few pics of the unpacking process, if I can post them....sorry the pics are a little big.
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    Nice looking ride! Friends of ours have an ECDM in the same color they have dubbed it Screamcycle Orange. Have fun with it!
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    Very nice

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    Quickly opened presents on Christmas morning, then dashed out for a late-morning ride to the beach and back before family arrived. A bit goopy in spots due to the rain, but overall a wonderful ride with great winter weather (uh, for SoCal) and very few people out on the trails. We counted 5 cyclists, though over 50 hikers (many in one big group out).

    Had recently changed the SRAM 990 cassette for another XT. I could never trim the rear D to be happy with the 11T cog on the 990. This isn't just a 990 issue for me, since I've had the same problems with a 930 cassette on a completely different ECdM. The chain would want to climb the 12T cog, and it wasn't a limit-screw issue, it was a tension issue. If I adjusted the tension for the 11T cog to be happy, it would take two clicks to get out of it, and then the rest of the shifting was rubbish.

    Back to XT, retrimmed the shifter, and I've got all gears and good shifting (X9 shifter and RD).

    No other major changes to the bike. Another set of brake pads up front and a bleed (so easy with the Hopes). Going to need new rotors sooner or later, and I will need to do my winter maintenance (new chains, seal kit for the shock, wonder/worry about ordering new Middleburn sync rings or go (hope) with Homebrew for half the cost. I've always switched the sync rings front-to-back, so I've got a year.

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    Our goal was to make a extensive video, but weather was too beautiful for filming. After couple of takes, we put cameras into bags and we rode without interruptions.

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    Wonderful Job you guys! I am happy for you that it was a beautiful day But sorry you decided to stop filming. Nicely done.
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    That looks like a really nice trail system, in the snow! What sort of tires do you use? And have you had any difficulties on snow with the higher center of gravity of a tandem?

    Seriously muddy sections of trail give me troubles since the front tire wants to slide out sideways if I hit a rock, or get off balance.

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    Thank you giff07!

    Quote Originally Posted by Okayfine View Post
    That looks like a really nice trail system, in the snow! What sort of tires do you use? And have you had any difficulties on snow with the higher center of gravity of a tandem?

    Seriously muddy sections of trail give me troubles since the front tire wants to slide out sideways if I hit a rock, or get off balance.
    We have tens of kilometers of singletrail in snow. People walking with dogs keep the trails open. Now trails are hardpacked and very fast.

    We use Schwalbe Ice Spiker pro tires. Those are just superb winter tires.

    We havent't experienced any difficulties relating higher center of gravity. Only difference/difficulty comparing summer trails is narrower path and tighter corners.

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    Spring Maintenance

    Did the spring maintenance schedule today:

    New drive chain
    Shock seal kit/rebuild
    Complete service of CK hub
    New rear shifter cable/housing
    Clean/lube pedals
    Wash

    Doesn't seem like much, but took half the day. The CK service took half of that, but it's almost a joy to do with the special tools, since it all just works.

    Out on the bike twice this past work week, which was nice. Viva la DST!

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    getting the disc adapter off the rear Chris King hub is being a ***** for me. I need to access the preload adjustment ring. I'm going to cut down a 2mm wrench to fit without getting the adapter off as a plan B.
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    mtbr bleeped B I T C H. Really?
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