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    ^Thanks for that, but the measurement required is actually from the centre of the BB to the top of the *frame* (where the clamp goes that stops the seatpost slipping back down), or in other words from the centre of the BB to the BOTTOM of the exposed seatpost. What I'm trying to figure out is the *actual* centre-to-top measurement for a given frame size, as opposed to the Surly nominal frame size measurement that goes to somewhere below this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    ^Thanks for that, but the measurement required is actually from the centre of the BB to the top of the *frame* (where the clamp goes that stops the seatpost slipping back down), or in other words from the centre of the BB to the BOTTOM of the exposed seatpost. What I'm trying to figure out is the *actual* centre-to-top measurement for a given frame size, as opposed to the Surly nominal frame size measurement that goes to somewhere below this point.
    48cm on my 18"

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    Here are a couple recent photos in fully-loaded touring mode. The Troll is well balanced with a full load such that I can ride no hands. Went with the OMM Sherpa on the front, rather than low riser, because a lot of my offroad riding needs the clearance for grass, rocks and branches. Also, mud build up on the panniers won't be as much of an issue.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mwv View Post
    48cm on my 18"
    Thanks for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    ^Thanks for that, but the measurement required is actually from the centre of the BB to the top of the *frame* (where the clamp goes that stops the seatpost slipping back down), or in other words from the centre of the BB to the BOTTOM of the exposed seatpost. What I'm trying to figure out is the *actual* centre-to-top measurement for a given frame size, as opposed to the Surly nominal frame size measurement that goes to somewhere below this point.
    Most Surly's seat tube length are 1" longer than the listed size on their site...
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    Quote Originally Posted by backcountryeti View Post
    Nice build! How do you like having suspension again? I am thinking of getting a suspension fork to switch out for longer, off road excursions. Powder looks good too!
    On this ride I only needed it for once section, a stretch of unpaved road completely covered with pizza-sized divots about 6 inches deep, just enough to make my wrists and elbows go numb had I not had the suspension.

    But I like it. I still have the other fork so someday I'll switch out and compare. When I get my Karate Monkey built up for the same terrain I'll have a better idea of how critical it is.

    Once I find some singletrack I'm sure it'll be more important; many of the local riders are fully suspended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    Most Surly's seat tube length are 1" longer than the listed size on their site...
    At least - my Cross Check was 30mm larger, at 590mm centre of BB to top of seat tube versus 560mm "Surly size" which was from centre of BB to top of top tube.

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    So I bought Gossamer's Troll in the next larger size and I'd say it fits much better than the 18". Thanks again dude!
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    My new Troll build. Already been on a few good rides. Loaded, and unloaded. Love it. Just need to get the bars up a bit, since I have a very long torso, and short arms and legs.

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    Love it!

    what tyres are they? Marathon Extreme?

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    Changed the OMM Sherpa front rack for a better fit and handling. Now mounted the other way around and directly to the fork, rather than the QR. This gets the rack lower and further back, adding more stability to the front end. Probably not as strong as the QR mount, but for lighter loads on roads and smoother trails, I'm not too concerned with strength. Would definitely switch back to the QR mount for rougher terrain or heavy loads.


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    after what seems months of waiting my Troll frameset is hopefully going to arrive today, it will be a late nite as i plan to build it straight away.
    stand by for pics.

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    and done






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    yeah i had a bit of trouble on the front, i dont' know how some of the guys are getting around the brake caliper, i ended up having to use the next set of bosses up, works fine though.

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    very nice! I've fenders I still gotta throw on mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    yeah i had a bit of trouble on the front, i dont' know how some of the guys are getting around the brake caliper, i ended up having to use the next set of bosses up, works fine though.
    If you keep the plastic safety clips then you'll struggle to clear some brake calipers. Most people ditch them* this allows you to bend/kink the wire strut to clear the caliper and just bolt the wire to the fork directly

    *on some fork/caliper combinations you can keep the plastic clip and still bend the wire strut around the caliper.

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    Looks like you already cut down your fender stays, so too late unless you replace them. I use an aluminum spacer to clear the caliper. Probably 1/2" or less. Should be able to find at any decent bike shop. Could do the same with several washers.

    Nice build, BTW.

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    SteveJ, is the rear Tubus rack the 700C version or the (11-13mm lower) 26" specific one??? I'm wondering as it seems a bit higher above the wheel than ideal, and whether it cannot instead be mounted to the lower "trailer" eyelets. If it's the 700C rack the two changes would be worth maybe 3cm or so...

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    good eyes sir!

    you are correct, it's a rack i had on my last bike, not sure how it will affect the handling.

    i just went out and tried what you suggested but when using the lower hole it fouls with the fender support arms.

    happy to listen to any suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan ss View Post
    Looks like you already cut down your fender stays, so too late unless you replace them. I use an aluminum spacer to clear the caliper. Probably 1/2" or less. Should be able to find at any decent bike shop. Could do the same with several washers.

    Nice build, BTW.
    even where i have them mounted i had to use a spacer, i couldnt' work out any other way to do it. i hit the trails today on it and it was great fun to ride, heading out tomorrow to explore for some bike camping sites.

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    Looks like the cargo evo (tubus - Cargo evo) might be a bit easier to mount, and a bit lower in the 26" specific version. (I'm waiting for the frames with the extra braze-ons to appear, so have plenty of time to dither about stuff.) The way things are going it ight be next year before I do anything. [sigh]

    Also, I'm wondering if anyone here has tried to fit a Tubus Smarti front rack (tubus - Smarti) to a Troll. The mid-height bag placement works well off-road (previous custom rack on long-gone bike), but I suspect none of the eyelets on the Troll fork will actually work. :-(

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    After 3 stems and about 5 sets or bars I think I am done tinkering......maybe.
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    Sorry for the indoor pics.... its seen 1800 miles this year in various forms this year alone.


    22" Troll
    8 speed xtr
    SLX 2x crank
    bb7/shorty ultimate
    thomson controls
    surly bar
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    spech tires (changes weekly between that and some slicks)




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    Quote Originally Posted by mwv View Post
    After 3 stems and about 5 sets or bars I think I am done tinkering......maybe.
    Im sorry add some more tinkering
    I think you need a setback seatpost to balance out the weight on your Brooks rails?
    What ya think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    Im sorry add some more tinkering
    I think you need a setback seatpost to balance out the weight on your Brooks rails?
    What ya think?
    Well I've already got 23mm of offset with that seat post so if anything I need a seat with longer rails or a bigger frame

    That position of the saddle is recent and temporary to see how it felt.

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    Just finished putting together a Troll for my wife:

    16" Troll frameset (LBS)
    2010 Fox F32 RL fork (eBay)
    Mavic XC717 / Shimano XT wheelset (eBay)
    Kinda Nevegal 2.1" tires (parts bin)
    Spec stem and Ritchey bars (parts bin)
    Sram X.7 2x10 drivetrain (Craigs)
    Sram PG 1050 cassette (Craigs)
    KMC 10sp chain (Craigs)
    Shimano PD M520 pedals (parts bin)
    Specialized Jett Ti saddle (Craigs)
    Bontrager carbon seatpost (parts bin)
    Avid BB7 brakes / rotors (parts bin)
    Avid brake levers (parts bin)


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    [QUOTE=Holmes;9413925]Just finished putting together a Troll for my wife:

    16" Troll frameset (LBS)
    2010 Fox F32 RL fork (eBay)
    Mavic XC717 / Shimano XT wheelset (eBay)
    Kinda Nevegal 2.1" tires (parts bin)
    Spec stem and Ritchey bars (parts bin)
    Sram X.7 2x10 drivetrain (Craigs)
    Sram PG 1050 cassette (Craigs)
    KMC 10sp chain (Craigs)
    Shimano PD M520 pedals (parts bin)
    Specialized Jett Ti saddle (Craigs)
    Bontrager carbon seatpost (parts bin)
    Avid BB7 brakes / rotors (parts bin)
    Avid brake levers (parts bin)

    what's her inseam and her height? im thinking of getting an 18 but maybe i'll fit better with a Surly size 16". so just curious to know

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerface View Post
    what's her inseam and her height? im thinking of getting an 18 but maybe i'll fit better with a Surly size 16". so just curious to know
    She's 5'3" and about 29" inseam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holmes View Post
    She's 5'3" and about 29" inseam.
    i'm 5'4", inseam 31. Will I fit better on a 16"?

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    i'm 5'4" too, same inseam

    older version size 16 1x1 and older version size 16 karate monkey fits fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by bb1mina View Post
    i'm 5'4" too, same inseam

    older version size 16 1x1 and older version size 16 karate monkey fits fine
    thanks..

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    Here are a couple shots of racks, fenders and disc brakes mounted on the Troll. A few spacers, and everything fits fine.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Holmes View Post
    Just finished putting together a Troll for my wife:

    16" Troll frameset (LBS)
    2010 Fox F32 RL fork (eBay)
    Mavic XC717 / Shimano XT wheelset (eBay)
    Kinda Nevegal 2.1" tires (parts bin)
    Spec stem and Ritchey bars (parts bin)
    Sram X.7 2x10 drivetrain (Craigs)
    Sram PG 1050 cassette (Craigs)
    KMC 10sp chain (Craigs)
    Shimano PD M520 pedals (parts bin)
    Specialized Jett Ti saddle (Craigs)
    Bontrager carbon seatpost (parts bin)
    Avid BB7 brakes / rotors (parts bin)
    Avid brake levers (parts bin)
    Is it cool if I come rummage around in your parts bin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimhazy View Post
    Is it cool if I come rummage around in your parts bin?
    Me too!

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    LOL - I got a pretty deep parts bin at this point, but it's not *that* deep ;-)

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    Can't include the pic, but here's the link...
    farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7411788360_44359bf58f_c.jpg
    Add the h t t p : / /

    I have been riding 1X1's for years, SS and Fixed. Spent the last year in school and off the bike. This is my gift to myself for the trials of the last 12 months. So love it. Taking it out on the Tapeworm tomorrow! I put the road tires on the stock rims and had a clydesdale wheelset built up for the dirt. Like having two bikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    Can't include the pic, but here's the link...


    I have been riding 1X1's for years, SS and Fixed. Spent the last year in school and off the bike. This is my gift to myself for the trials of the last 12 months. So love it. Taking it out on the Tapeworm tomorrow! I put the road tires on the stock rims and had a clydesdale wheelset built up for the dirt. Like having two bikes!
    Nice! I'm interested to hear how you like the Open Bars on dirt. After a few off-road miles with mine in the stock configuration, I swapped mine out for the Torsion Bar off my 1x1=11 when I set it up with tires and suspension fork for the trails.

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    It's been awhile thread. Crazy end to a semester and some personal nonsense, but glad to see all these new Troll builds!

    I am bucking common sense and the Schwalbe Marathon trend. I had heard some things about Geax Evoluton tires and saw a good deal so I got a pair for some touring later this summer. Seeing as how I got a pair for what one Marathon costs I figured worth a try. No inherent flat protection (I'll run Mr Tuffies though) but tons of rubber seem to keep the flats at bay, according to reviews. I'll post a field report after I put some miles in.

    I don't have any new visuals to add but how about an anecdote : I was about to wrap up a solo trail ride when I ran into a few folk, one who had that ear to ear grin of their first ride. Since that leg of the trail is a roundabout way back I asked if I could join them. They said yes but first freaked out about finally getting to see a Troll, and a fixed one at that. I felt like the belle of the ball. :P

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    Open Bar

    Yeah, I'm interested in how I'll like the open bars on the soft and dirty too. They have a geometry not unlike the Jones H-bar on my 1x1, but I have heard that they are "flexy" . Since I eschew the complexity of suspension, that flexy may come in handy. I am a little skeptical, tho... Will keep y'all updated
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    Hitch mount hack.

    I had a great idea today, which I quickly implemented on my troll. Since it ended up being are very easy and rather elegant solution to positioning my to Tubus Logo rack where I wanted it to be, and making use of those 10 x 1 trailer hitch mounts,I thought I would share it with you today. First, I hope that you've kept those cantilever break studs that you've removed from their bosses the day you received your frame, as they share the same 10 x 1 threads as the trailer hitch mounts. take two of the brake studs and mount them tightly into the trailer hitch mount holes. Now, use a hack saw to cut off the skinny part of the cantilever brake stud, but do not cut off the fat part with the flats. Be sure to cut away all of the skinny part of the stud, but do not cut into the fat part. Use a flat file to file away any burrs, and to make the surface as flat and smooth as possible. Voilà, now you have created an M10 x 1 to M6 reducer. The M6 bolt actually fits my Tubus Logo rack mounting hole better than the standard M5 bolt. You can now mount your rack to the trailer hitch mount holes which will give you the lowest possible, and farthest back possible position which is exactly what I wanted. It is also a much stronger connection as you're using an M6 bolt, instead of an M5 and you don't have to use the required aluminum spacer that Tubus supplies, as the remainder of the brake stud serves perfectly as a replacement for that spacer and it does not move around.
    See pic.
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    i like, will look at doig that myself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    i like, will look at doig that myself!
    Make sure that the brake studs are from your Troll. Most other brands use a different thread pattern.

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    Tokyotroll - Genius!

    Has any body played around with the positioning of the rear axle in the track ends? My bike is setup with the axle right above the derailler hanger, but I want to move it all the way forward for easy wheel swaps. I can't imagine that it affects shifting significantly. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyotroll View Post
    Make sure that the brake studs are from your Troll. Most other brands use a different thread pattern.
    check

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    Tokyotroll - Genius!

    Has any body played around with the positioning of the rear axle in the track ends? My bike is setup with the axle right above the derailler hanger, but I want to move it all the way forward for easy wheel swaps. I can't imagine that it affects shifting significantly. Thoughts?
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    i run mine all the way forward (ie no tug nuts or similar) and it shifts fine.

    cheers
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    I also run mine all the way forward. Everything is fine.

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    will a 29er tire fit the troll fork? any issues doing so?

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    Open Bars dirt report:

    I took the Troll to Tapeworm today. The Tapeworm is a collection of twisty, flowy trails packed into a parcel of land owned by Puget Sound Energy, southeast of Seattle. I've ridden this trail countless times, on every bike I have owned for the last 15 years, from full-boingers, to rigid SS, to mountain fixie.

    I have mostly ridden this trail on my 1X1, with a 1st generation Jones H-bar. It's nice and wide, with much leverage and good compliance for a rigid front end. The Open Bar feel very much like the H-bar. Scooting through the switchbacks and hopping roots was very natural and I didn't notice any excessive springiness in the bars. For technical trail work I have no complaints with the ride nor feel of the Surly Open Bar. There are some sections on the Tapeworm where the trail is narrow, and I worried about whacking my knuckles or catching a brake lever, but it never happened.

    Having a "big" chainring (46T) on the cranks is new to me - I don't like the feel of delicate aluminum teeth sawing through the numerous logs that lay across the trail in places. I am used to sliding over them on a bash ring on the SS - I might need to get one for the Troll.

    The only downside to this handlebar is a lack of different hand positions for relieving the monotony of road work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyotroll View Post
    Voilà, now you have created an M10 x 1 to M6 reducer. The M6 bolt actually fits my Tubus Logo rack mounting hole better than the standard M5 bolt. You can now mount your rack to the trailer hitch mount holes which will give you the lowest possible, and farthest back possible position which is exactly what I wanted.
    Awesome. I don't need a rack on my Troll at this moment, but I'll keep this in mind! May be a solution for mounting the mini Nashbar front rack I have in a box to my Xtracycle-1x1 fork too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    Open Bars dirt report:
    Excellent review!

    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    I am used to sliding over them on a bash ring on the SS - I might need to get one for the Troll.
    My Troll is my 2nd 1x9, and more and more I think it's the right choice for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    The only downside to this handlebar is a lack of different hand positions for relieving the monotony of road work.
    How about some track grips for the arched parts of the bars forward of the brake/shift levers? I did that on a set of On-One Mary bars last winter and it worked ok, although the inner grips were a bit close together.

    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    http://.unicyclist.com/UNICON/Tapeworm/Tapeworm.html
    I see the fixed MTB; do you MUni too? I'm about to drag a 24" out of storage and take a stab at one of my new local trails.

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    i just did this mod this morning, worked a treat! especially as i'm running a 700c tubus rack, it dropped it nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    i just did this mod this morning, worked a treat! especially as i'm running a 700c tubus rack, it dropped it nicely.
    Great to hear that. Glad I could help. You know, when cut down, those studs would be a great way to use your unused brake bosses for mounting lights and such. I can just imagine the Supernova rear light with the 45° single bolt bracket mounted on a rear boss. Clean look with no clamps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimhazy View Post
    How about some track grips for the arched parts of the bars forward of the brake/shift levers? I did that on a set of On-One Mary bars last winter and it worked ok, although the inner grips were a bit close together.
    Great idea, I was thinking some cork road bike bar tape. I think the Open Bar is going to have to go back on to the LHT.

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    went riding early this morning at White Rock conservation park about 6am, bit creepy being there by myself in the fog, fun though



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    New Frame Bag

    Yes it holds a 6 pack.
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    i like that bag, what brand is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    i like that bag, what brand is it?

    My own, designed it and had a local handbag maker sew it up for me. I also make messenger bags but you will have to come to Brasil to get one.
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    And Troll grew into an Ogre with 2.2 29r wheels. It feels a bit higher up, but I think I can get used to it

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    i'd love to see a shot of the rear tyre clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-roll View Post
    My own, designed it and had a local handbag maker sew it up for me. I also make messenger bags but you will have to come to Brasil to get one.
    This has got to be the best frame bag ever! I wish that manufacturers had this much common sense with their bag designs. I also wish that I had one for a size 18".

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    I like your frame bag idea
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    So, to all the people who've put 29er wheels on your Trolls, how does it ride? I've been curious about how mine would work with big wheels but everything I've seen on the internet is people saying it's a bad idea and will never work. Seems people here have a different take...what's your experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    i'd love to see a shot of the rear tyre clearance.
    Tire clearance up front is still massive, but in the rear it's a little tight. I've still got some space in the dropout to make a little more room though. I'm just curious if a 2.3 29er big apple could fit its way in as well. These are 2.1 Kenda Small Block 8 tires







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    Quote Originally Posted by jbphilly View Post
    So, to all the people who've put 29er wheels on your Trolls, how does it ride? I've been curious about how mine would work with big wheels but everything I've seen on the internet is people saying it's a bad idea and will never work. Seems people here have a different take...what's your experience?
    I've not gotten a chance to get it on dirt yet, but it feels just fine on the street. The handling really doesn't seem affected, but even if it is, I can't really tell since I'm also accustomed to riding a track bike with a lot more of a swifty feel. Of course in the dirt is where I may see a difference, but then again, this bike wasn't only intended for one specific use

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    I have been lurking reading these forums for a good few months now and it has helped me to realise that the Troll is the next bike for me. When I called my LBS they said that the Trolls were low on stock from where they order them and thinks this may be due to a new release of colours/frame update soon, can anyone confirm this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyeswho View Post
    Tire clearance up front is still massive, but in the rear it's a little tight. I've still got some space in the dropout to make a little more room though. I'm just curious if a 2.3 29er big apple could fit its way in as well. These are 2.1 Kenda Small Block 8 tires
    Looks like you could use monkey nuts or tugnuts on the rear for additional clearance and to eliminate movement of the wheel in the dropouts. I'm guessing the 700x60 BAs could be squeezed in with the rear wheel all the way back. May want to ask around to determine the actual diameter of the mounted tire before buying. I recall someone saying the Marathon Supreme 700x50 is 28.5 inches.

    What is the diameter of the tires you have in there now?

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    Troll gearing and chainring clearance

    I mentioned that the honkin' 46T chainring on the "complete" Troll build saws through the logs that litter the local trails I ride. Further, a brittle aluminum chainring is at risk for bash-induced damage that renders said chainring unusable. I have looked extensively into bash guards, and there is no functional option that preserves the big chainring. Which is fine.

    According to my calculations, the loss of the big chainring only costs you the TWO highest gears. According to more nominal calculations, and assuming a maximum working cadence of 120 rev/min, the middle chainring tops out at 28 MPH, the big ring at 38 MPH. I cannot envision a reality in which I can sustain 38 MPH on a fat-tired bike on flat ground.

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    Easy decision to lose the big ring and replace it with a burly load-bearing bash ring.

    I am even considering stripping off the front derailler and shifting into the lower ring manually when the rare occasion arise. Whoo - and I get my second water bottle mount back.

    Feel free to discuss.
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    Hello, i was lookin into getting a troll, and was wondering if anyone has an opinion on the geometry. I am looking for race bike, but also something that i can take for long weekend rides. is the frame setup too much of a relaxed style for a race bike? or just right? thanks!

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    SSchlemmer, have you lookend into BBG bash guards? As far as I know, they make nice bashguards up to 44t

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    I mentioned that the honkin' 46T chainring on the "complete" Troll build saws through the logs that litter the local trails I ride. Further, a brittle aluminum chainring is at risk for bash-induced damage that renders said chainring unusable. I have looked extensively into bash guards, and there is no functional option that preserves the big chainring. Which is fine.

    According to my calculations, the loss of the big chainring only costs you the TWO highest gears. According to more nominal calculations, and assuming a maximum working cadence of 120 rev/min, the middle chainring tops out at 28 MPH, the big ring at 38 MPH. I cannot envision a reality in which I can sustain 38 MPH on a fat-tired bike on flat ground.

    I used to be able to link directly to my images on Flickr - BAH

    Easy decision to lose the big ring and replace it with a burly load-bearing bash ring.

    I am even considering stripping off the front derailler and shifting into the lower ring manually when the rare occasion arise. Whoo - and I get my second water bottle mount back.

    Feel free to discuss.
    I'm picking up a new Troll this week and the first mod will be to ditch the big chain ring for a bash guard. All my riding "needs" are covered fine by the med/small chain rings, and the bash guard won't rip my calves open when/if I slip off the pedals.
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    I had a hard time finding a 5 x 110 bash guard to fit the spec'd crankset on the complete build from QBP. I found these guys: PurelyCustom, but here's a link to BBG. The PurelyCustom folks can laser etch graphics and lettering on your bash guard.

    Initially, the square taper bottom bracket and crankset surprised me, but I have ridden thousands of miles on old-school BB's and they never failed me. Like anything, if it breaks, UPGRADE!
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    Tuggnuts

    I just bought my surly troll complete build a few weeks back.
    i will post pics sometime soon.

    The Troll is a some kind of wonderful awesome incrediblea beautiful thang.
    I like this bike.

    A lot of research went into various bikes before I decided on the surly toll.
    I made the a good decision thanks mainly to this forum.

    The 26" wheels roll with a nice free flow much to my surprise.
    It has a fast controlled feel.
    Almost as fast as a 29er with a lot more control.

    I really like the bright orange.

    It has a huge range of gears that can get you anywhere you want to go
    with very little effort.

    The 2.3 tires and the cromo frame soak up the road and pot holes to the point that
    they are of no or very little concern, unlike my hydro formed aluminum frame 29er
    where 'I' soaked up all the road and pot holes.

    I use the troll as a commuter from the burbs to downtown 3 to 5 times per week, grocery shopping, errands, and just riding.

    The Troll is a do everything go anywhere bike depending on the build that is suitable.

    The Surly design team and "enginerds" are to be complemented and highly commended for putting forth such a great product.

    Surly does 'not' cut corners to keep their cost down.
    Instead, Surly comes up with innovative design that really works to do this.

    The Troll is a well thought out very strong built bike.
    The components with the complete build are great value for consideration.


    TUGGNUTS;

    I asked the lbs mechanic where I bought the Troll to install a set of tuggnuts,
    one on each side. For whatever reason, the installation did not work out at all.
    I rode the Troll a very long way home with the back disc break rubbing curtailing
    the free flow ride severely.

    The lbs, I guess, does not want to admit that they made an error or something of the sort.
    They refuse to fix the problem and don't want me in their store anymore!
    I have no idea why this is happening.

    The gears required adjustment, and the chain required tensioning, along with the disc breaks requiring adjustment as well because of the unsuccessful Tuggnut installation attempt.

    I've got things back to about 90% now.
    The free flow ride is back although I know it can be better.

    I'll have the Tuggnuts installed at a later date this time just one on the drive train side.

    I'll be putting on a new back wheel build in a few weeks.
    a sun ringle ryno lite xp welded 36 hole rim 29 mm wide
    d t swiss triple butted spokes.
    xt hub
    xt skewer.
    Hopefully I can get the Tuggnut (s) installed good and proper at this time by the same lbs
    or another lbs along with all the other adjustments required as per the above.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Deore components dt swiss spokes and
    Alex adventurer rim that come with the build. I just want what I want for the reasons
    that I want.

    A slightly shorter stem is required for me along with the Surly 40 degree rise bars instead
    of what comes with the complete build, and I've got the perfect fit bike.

    If you are worried about heel clearance for panniers or the front of your shoe clipping the front wheel, don't worry about. I am a big guy that wears size 12 EEE shoes. There are no problems in this regard.

    If you are thinking about buying a Surly Troll or Ogre, don't think about it anymore.
    Get out there and buy either or.

    I did my initial ride on the Ogre with an 18" frame.
    I was impressed like you would not believe however, I ended up buying
    a 22" frame Troll. The 26" wheels are much stronger than the 29ers in my view.
    I have tried both and ride both.

    The back wheel build on my 29er is a Velocity Chukker rim with dt tripple butted spokes on a Shimano Nexus 7 speed internal hub with a Schalabee Marathon 700 x 40 puncture proof tire. This is a 'bomb proof" wheel build.

    Anything Surly is well worth your while and excellent value for the price.

    The Troll frame is made and set up to be extraordinarily accommodating.
    You can build it up any way you want to suit your purpose.



    R n R Troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by R n R Troll View Post
    I just bought my surly troll complete build a few weeks back.
    i will post pics sometime soon.

    The Troll is a some kind of wonderful awesome incrediblea beautiful thang.
    I like this bike.

    A lot of research went into various bikes before I decided on the surly toll.
    I made the a good decision thanks mainly to this forum.

    The 26" wheels roll with a nice free flow much to my surprise.
    It has a fast controlled feel.
    Almost as fast as a 29er with a lot more control.

    I really like the bright orange.

    It has a huge range of gears that can get you anywhere you want to go
    with very little effort.

    The 2.3 tires and the cromo frame soak up the road and pot holes to the point that
    they are of no or very little concern, unlike my hydro formed aluminum frame 29er
    where 'I' soaked up all the road and pot holes.

    I use the troll as a commuter from the burbs to downtown 3 to 5 times per week, grocery shopping, errands, and just riding.

    The Troll is a do everything go anywhere bike depending on the build that is suitable.

    The Surly design team and "enginerds" are to be complemented and highly commended for putting forth such a great product.

    Surly does 'not' cut corners to keep their cost down.
    Instead, Surly comes up with innovative design that really works to do this.

    The Troll is a well thought out very strong built bike.
    The components with the complete build are great value for consideration.


    TUGGNUTS;

    I asked the lbs mechanic where I bought the Troll to install a set of tuggnuts,
    one on each side. For whatever reason, the installation did not work out at all.
    I rode the Troll a very long way home with the back disc break rubbing curtailing
    the free flow ride severely.

    The lbs, I guess, does not want to admit that they made an error or something of the sort.
    They refuse to fix the problem and don't want me in their store anymore!
    I have no idea why this is happening.

    The gears required adjustment, and the chain required tensioning, along with the disc breaks requiring adjustment as well because of the unsuccessful Tuggnut installation attempt.

    I've got things back to about 90% now.
    The free flow ride is back although I know it can be better.

    I'll have the Tuggnuts installed at a later date this time just one on the drive train side.

    I'll be putting on a new back wheel build in a few weeks.
    a sun ringle ryno lite xp welded 36 hole rim 29 mm wide
    d t swiss triple butted spokes.
    xt hub
    xt skewer.
    Hopefully I can get the Tuggnut (s) installed good and proper at this time by the same lbs
    or another lbs along with all the other adjustments required as per the above.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Deore components dt swiss spokes and
    Alex adventurer rim that come with the build. I just want what I want for the reasons
    that I want.

    A slightly shorter stem is required for me along with the Surly 40 degree rise bars instead
    of what comes with the complete build, and I've got the perfect fit bike.

    If you are worried about heel clearance for panniers or the front of your shoe clipping the front wheel, don't worry about. I am a big guy that wears size 12 EEE shoes. There are no problems in this regard.

    If you are thinking about buying a Surly Troll or Ogre, don't think about it anymore.
    Get out there and buy either or.

    I did my initial ride on the Ogre with an 18" frame.
    I was impressed like you would not believe however, I ended up buying
    a 22" frame Troll. The 26" wheels are much stronger than the 29ers in my view.
    I have tried both and ride both.

    The back wheel build on my 29er is a Velocity Chukker rim with dt tripple butted spokes on a Shimano Nexus 7 speed internal hub with a Schalabee Marathon 700 x 40 puncture proof tire. This is a 'bomb proof" wheel build.

    Anything Surly is well worth your while and excellent value for the price.

    The Troll frame is made and set up to be extraordinarily accommodating.
    You can build it up any way you want to suit your purpose.



    R n R Troll
    I'm also a new troll owner. Picked up a complete bike last week, size 18".

    Replaced the OEM bars with a standard MTB riser and ditched the outer chain ring for a bash guard. Otherwise, all stock.

    I have not ridden on pavement for 20 years and I'm surprised at how comfortable it is to pedal this bike. The fit and geometry are prefect and I'm already planning some longer rides. The harshness of a rigid frame and fork also got my attention, coming from FS 5" bikes for the past decade. I'm going to try the rigid fork a bit longer, but may end up going with a 100mm front fork.

    All in all, a great utility bike and a great value too IMHO.

    R

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    Quote Originally Posted by R n R Troll View Post
    I just bought my surly troll complete build a few weeks back.
    i will post pics sometime soon.

    The Troll is a some kind of wonderful awesome incrediblea beautiful thang.
    I like this bike.

    A lot of research went into various bikes before I decided on the surly toll.
    I made the a good decision thanks mainly to this forum.

    The 26" wheels roll with a nice free flow much to my surprise.
    It has a fast controlled feel.
    Almost as fast as a 29er with a lot more control.

    I really like the bright orange.

    It has a huge range of gears that can get you anywhere you want to go
    with very little effort.

    The 2.3 tires and the cromo frame soak up the road and pot holes to the point that
    they are of no or very little concern, unlike my hydro formed aluminum frame 29er
    where 'I' soaked up all the road and pot holes.

    I use the troll as a commuter from the burbs to downtown 3 to 5 times per week, grocery shopping, errands, and just riding.

    The Troll is a do everything go anywhere bike depending on the build that is suitable.

    The Surly design team and "enginerds" are to be complemented and highly commended for putting forth such a great product.

    Surly does 'not' cut corners to keep their cost down.
    Instead, Surly comes up with innovative design that really works to do this.

    The Troll is a well thought out very strong built bike.
    The components with the complete build are great value for consideration.


    TUGGNUTS;

    I asked the lbs mechanic where I bought the Troll to install a set of tuggnuts,
    one on each side. For whatever reason, the installation did not work out at all.
    I rode the Troll a very long way home with the back disc break rubbing curtailing
    the free flow ride severely.

    The lbs, I guess, does not want to admit that they made an error or something of the sort.
    They refuse to fix the problem and don't want me in their store anymore!
    I have no idea why this is happening.

    The gears required adjustment, and the chain required tensioning, along with the disc breaks requiring adjustment as well because of the unsuccessful Tuggnut installation attempt.

    I've got things back to about 90% now.
    The free flow ride is back although I know it can be better.

    I'll have the Tuggnuts installed at a later date this time just one on the drive train side.

    I'll be putting on a new back wheel build in a few weeks.
    a sun ringle ryno lite xp welded 36 hole rim 29 mm wide
    d t swiss triple butted spokes.
    xt hub
    xt skewer.
    Hopefully I can get the Tuggnut (s) installed good and proper at this time by the same lbs
    or another lbs along with all the other adjustments required as per the above.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Deore components dt swiss spokes and
    Alex adventurer rim that come with the build. I just want what I want for the reasons
    that I want.

    A slightly shorter stem is required for me along with the Surly 40 degree rise bars instead
    of what comes with the complete build, and I've got the perfect fit bike.

    If you are worried about heel clearance for panniers or the front of your shoe clipping the front wheel, don't worry about. I am a big guy that wears size 12 EEE shoes. There are no problems in this regard.

    If you are thinking about buying a Surly Troll or Ogre, don't think about it anymore.
    Get out there and buy either or.

    I did my initial ride on the Ogre with an 18" frame.
    I was impressed like you would not believe however, I ended up buying
    a 22" frame Troll. The 26" wheels are much stronger than the 29ers in my view.
    I have tried both and ride both.

    The back wheel build on my 29er is a Velocity Chukker rim with dt tripple butted spokes on a Shimano Nexus 7 speed internal hub with a Schalabee Marathon 700 x 40 puncture proof tire. This is a 'bomb proof" wheel build.

    Anything Surly is well worth your while and excellent value for the price.

    The Troll frame is made and set up to be extraordinarily accommodating.
    You can build it up any way you want to suit your purpose.



    R n R Troll

    You should be able to install the tugnutt(s) yourself very easily in a few minutes. If you are using a geared setup than you could also go with the monkey nuts which are probably even easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMrider View Post

    I have not ridden on pavement for 20 years and I'm surprised at how comfortable it is to pedal this bike. The fit and geometry are prefect and I'm already planning some longer rides. The harshness of a rigid frame and fork also got my attention, coming from FS 5" bikes for the past decade. I'm going to try the rigid fork a bit longer, but may end up going with a 100mm front fork.

    R
    Stick with the rigid fork for a bit and you will start to like it more. Way too handy to replace, rack and fender mounts, and clearance for huge wheels. I run a 26x2.6 in the front, and with the right pressure it rides pretty nicely.

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    seeking input from those who run/have run 29 wheels in a seperate thread please gents.

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    Troll Update

    Finding that the large chainring on the "complete" build from QBP is a liability on the trails I ride, I ordered a bash guard from Purely Custom. They allow you to customize several features on the parts they fabricate, and I had some fun with it. See link below:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/theschlem/7645917066/" title="2012-07-25_13-28-11_261 by T E Schlemmer, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8162/7645917066_30a09f2f9f_s.jpg" width="100" height="100" alt="2012-07-25_13-28-11_261"></a>

    The cost of losing the big chainring is the two top gears (92 and 109 gear inches). That leaves 80 gear inches as the highest gear, and spinning that at 120 RPM = 28.5 MPH. That seems like a pretty good top end for powered flight. I routinely hit 55+ on a section of (long, straight, good visibility) powerline trail I ride, but that's pure gravity.

    Another wrinkle I ran into was that the Kenda Nevegal 2.35 inch tires I am running barely kiss the front derailler when using the granny ring. Nuff sed - Off with the front derailler and shifter. Woo hoo - another bottle boss, and the bike is lighter, AND the 1x9 middle chainring shifts flawlessly to all rear cogs.

    I retained the granny ring and I can manually shift the chain and use the bottom three gears (18, 21, 24 gear inches) in a worse-case hill climb situation.
    The 1x9 setup gives me a low of 26 gear inches.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/theschlem/7645920544/" title="2012-07-25_13-31-06_376 by T E Schlemmer, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8151/7645920544_38b50918fc_s.jpg" width="100" height="100" alt="2012-07-25_13-31-06_376"></a>

    I also was able to remove 3 links of chain for better chain behavior.
    Let me know if I failed to explain what I have done.
    T
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    stripped my fenders and racks off my Troll, added a squishy fork, getting a custom frame bag made to give myself an option of some "lean" off road bike packing


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    From this: 3x9 (24lbs)


    to this: 1x1 (haven't weighed yet)






    Surly Troll Frame and Fork
    Truvativ Stylo Crank 32T
    Surly 18t Cog w/ Surly Spacers and Tugnut
    Avid Elixir R Brakes F160mm R140mm
    Truvativ Stylo Team Stem and Seatpost
    Specialized Flat Bar 680mm
    ESI Grips
    Exustar Pedals
    WTB Rocket V Saddle
    Giant S-Elite Hubs/Mavic 117 SUP Rims
    Schwalbe Rocket Ron 2.25
    Cateye Bell, Cyclocomputer and Lights
    Last edited by littlepitboy; 07-28-2012 at 12:39 AM.

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    gota love it when people keep the original fork

    i have a fox and the original fork on my troll yet i think it looks really awsome and rides really good on the stock format. even if my stickers ID it as a URLY!!

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    Tuggnut

    IT seems that one can only use a surly tuggnut on a fixed or single speed bike.
    ... IS this correct.

    I have a surly troll complete build bike that comes with the Shimano 9 speed set up.
    Can I use a Tuggnut just to help hold the wheel in place or will the Tuggnut interfere with
    the duties of the derailleur as the derailleur tensions the chain as well as the Tuggnut.

    I am very confused on the issue. HELP.

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    A Tuggnut should work with the the Troll's horizontal "dropouts", but I am curious, why would you not just slide the axle all the way forward, and let the forward limit of the "dropouts" define your axle position? My derailler works just fine with the axle at far forward. The derailler has NO effect on the tuggnut. Make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by backcountryeti View Post
    Stick with the rigid fork for a bit and you will start to like it more. Way too handy to replace, rack and fender mounts, and clearance for huge wheels. I run a 26x2.6 in the front, and with the right pressure it rides pretty nicely.
    Good advice. After 3-4 weeks or regular riding, I'm getting more comfortable with the rigid front fork.

    I'll give a fatter set of tires a try soon.

    R

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    R n R Troll, just run your bike with the wheel further back and use a quality shimano QR. I've done it with gears it's ok you dont need a tuggnut. Since your frame is steel that shimano QR will grip into there just fine just make sure you do tighten it down good.
    EMrider, ive hear it makes you a better mtber but thats just hearsay. what it might do and it happens to me is you will have a bike that can climb very good and who needs a fork anyways?
    also its cool to show off your cool surly fork!!
    Surly did not pay me to say that, in fact i paid them to get to own it.


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    The relative low cost of Surly frames has allowed me to own multiple bikes for different purposes at the same time. I bought the Troll with the intention to back country tour on it and I finally had the opportunity to ride the bike in the exact conditions I originally had in mind. I recently did a large part of the Canadian portion of the GDR.

    The bike performed flawlessly, I have new love affair with my Troll. Everytime I look at it now I see it differently than before the ride.




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    Hey Saddle Up,

    Nice setup. I have my Troll setup almost the same and just used it that way last month in PA.

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    Nice, I see you also bring along a pair of comfortable sandals, nothings better in camp after a long day wearing cycling boots.

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    Everybody is doing it!

    My rig with Revelate Sweet Roll, my own frame bag, Ortliebs from before the turn of the century and my fly rod. Ride camp fish.
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    2013 Troll - info or rumors?

    Troll framesets seem to be pretty much sold out in most sizes.

    Anyone have any information, rumors, or guesses about when we might see the next batch? Care to speculate about fork bottle mounts, or new colors, or other changes?

    I'm getting the urge to build a Troll or maybe a Trolloff/Trohloff.

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    2012 Troll

    Quote Originally Posted by Careby View Post
    Anyone have any information, rumors, or guesses about when we might see the next batch? Care to speculate about fork bottle mounts, or new colors, or other changes?
    I'm pretty sure the 2012 Trolls will come with waterbottle mounts on the underside of the downtube and Anything Cage/waterbottle mounts on the fork.
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    ^^^
    that's for sure

    the ogre frame i got 2 months ago already had the additional mounts on the frame and fork, and as somebody mentioned, it had the "warts" in all the right places

    troll updates can't be far behind

    those troll frames really look awesome in orange, btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    The relative low cost of Surly frames has allowed me to own multiple bikes for different purposes at the same time. I bought the Troll with the intention to back country tour on it and I finally had the opportunity to ride the bike in the exact conditions I originally had in mind. I recently did a large part of the Canadian portion of the GDR.

    The bike performed flawlessly, I have new love affair with my Troll. Everytime I look at it now I see it differently than before the ride.



    your troll rules.
    fills me with wanderlust.

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    bet your glad you decided to keep it hey?

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    Bars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Hey SaddleUp, what bar is on your Troll, Open Bar? What was your longest day mileage-wise and how was the bar. I think the longest ride I did with mine was maybe 30 miles or so when I had them mounted on my CC. They were fine, I just always wondered how they were over longer distances. Or maybe I should say, on longer days. I imagine 30 miles on dirt loaded is different than a 30 mile mixed terrain ramble on an unloaded bike.
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    Steve, absolutely glad I did not sell. Good thing it was too small for you!, haha.

    dfl, was doing 75-100kms days, I've never been more comfortable on a bike, the riding position was perfect. I've never done that kind of distance before and got off the bike witout any discomfort. The whole time I was riding I was thinking that I really need to get a second Open Bar for the LHT.

    I have a 25mm set back seatpost and a Brooks Flyer on the way, should make it even better!

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    Open Bar

    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Steve, absolutely glad I did not sell. Good thing it was too small for you!, haha.

    dfl, was doing 75-100kms days, I've never been more comfortable on a bike, the riding position was perfect. I've never done that kind of distance before and got off the bike witout any discomfort. The whole time I was riding I was thinking that I really need to get a second Open Bar for the LHT.

    I have a 25mm set back seatpost and a Brooks Flyer on the way, should make it even better!
    Thanks for the info. I've got an Open Bar that was on my CC and might be going back on it but I'm also thinking of putting it on my LHT. If it goes on my LHT I'll definitely be cutting the steerer tube and I'm not sure I want to do that. Then again... I'm super close to pulling the trigger on a Big Dummy. Closer than I've ever been in the past. We'll see.
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    One day I did 80 loaded miles on a Big Dummy with an Open Bar -- super comfortable handlebar. I also ran it on my LHT, FWIW, and it was great.

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    2013 Troll

    Well from the Surly blog and email correspondence, we now know that the 2013 troll will come in "Nurple Purple" and "Black" and include a third set of water bottle cage mounts on the under side of the down tube and Salsa Anything Cage mounts on the fork (a la the Ogre). My Rohloff and Son 28 hubs arrived from German yesterday. Parts gathering is complete, I just need to build the wheels and wait for the black frames to become available.

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