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    My XS Troll

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    Current: Surly Cross Check (Tangerine)

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    Quick (loaded ) question...I'm gearing up for some longer (2-5 day) touring for 2015,road,gravel and rail trail-type places,what tires have your longer distance riders had good service from under similar conditions (and in what size? I'm not really wanting to go much skinnier than 1.75" or 1.95"...I'd prefer a fast rolling 2.1" or bigger that will fit fenders if it's possible)? Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkcee View Post
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    Nice, by chance did you weigh it before putting all the racks and crap on there? Looking at one of these for my wife, she's pretty small so weight is a consideration.

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    The difference in weight between a bike that has a rack and one that doesn't is a lb. I don't really see the other crap you are referring too. If you are after light weight a Surly Troll is probably not where you should be looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    The difference in weight between a bike that has a rack and one that doesn't is a lb. I don't really see the other crap you are referring too. If you are after light weight a Surly Troll is probably not where you should be looking.
    +2 on that...

    I'm not sure what other "and crap" he's talking about,looks like a basic (albeit nicely built) mtn bike with only a rear rack as any extra "crap" Way to bash on someone's rig while asking for help though,LMAO (ShartRate)

    Nice looking rig,mrkcee
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    Wow, you guys this sensitive about your own bikes? I'm just trying to get an impression of what one of these things weighs before the accessorization (and crap) happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShartRate View Post
    Wow, you guys this sensitive about your own bikes? I'm just trying to get an impression of what one of these things weighs before the accessorization (and crap) happens.
    A Troll frame starts around 2600g and the fork was 1310g uncut. You can figure out what the rest of the not-accessories come out to yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShartRate View Post
    Wow, you guys this sensitive about your own bikes? I'm just trying to get an impression of what one of these things weighs before the accessorization (and crap) happens.


    No,not really (I'm not,anyways...I don't give 2 sh*ts what you think about mine,you didn't pay for it,and it certainly wasn't built for you). It wasn't anything to do with the bike,it was your insulting somebody's ride while at the same time asking for help from the guy,and it wasn't that big a deal to begin with,for you to have to come back and cry about it. Regardless of what your mom/gf/wife/homies told you,you aren't any more special than anyone else on mtbr,no need to p1ss and moan like a whiny middle schooler when some mean old mtn biker calls you on something that you did.

    To answer your original question (again...) though,if you're building one from a frame/fork,obviously it will vary depending on what "crap" you hang on/bolt to it...it could weight 25lbs with high end/light weight parts,or 35lbs with inexpensive or overbuilt parts,there is no absolute answer to your question (maybe within a 2-3lb radius) unless you intend to build up an exact replica of somebody else's rig
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    So I was being rude, but you're going to drag my mother into this and call me a middle schooler? Okay then.

    From what I'm hearing, the Troll isn't right for our application. Thanks all for the info!

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    I neither said anything disrespectful about your mother,nor would I ever. The comments were directed at you,as you well know--every good mother would of course tell her kid he's/she's special (which is all I said of her),but that doesn't mean that they're any more special than anyone else,which is something you seem to have missed here...which brings us to the whiny middle schooler part,which I think you're trying hard to prove (by now insinuating I was bad mouthing your mom,when we all know I wasn't).

    I'm sorry I hurt your feelings with a one line comment (that was more joke than serious to begin with....as most everyone got I'm sure). I will wish you good luck finding what you're looking for in your next bike,Troll or otherwise,and bid you happy trails,sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShartRate View Post
    Nice, by chance did you weigh it before putting all the racks and crap on there? Looking at one of these for my wife, she's pretty small so weight is a consideration.
    If you think the weight is paramount than versatility you're actually better off looking for another brand because Surly is not known for making light bikes. I'll stay away from any Steel frameset.

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    My brand new Troll. I was surprised that they still had the Agent Orange in stock, though only in the XL. I'm missing out on the extra braze-ons of the newer models, but I got a heck of a deal on it, so I can't complain. Stock build, plus Tubus Cargo Evo, Brooks B17, Ortlieb Back Rollers, and Revelate Gas Tank. This will be my year round commuter and will be used for family rides pulling a Burley trailer with my two kids this summer. Hopefully some bike camping too in the not too distant future. Love it so far!
    Troll by kauffmjj, on Flickr
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathank View Post
    My brand new Troll. I was surprised that they still had the Agent Orange in stock, though only in the XL. I'm missing out on the extra braze-ons of the newer models, but I got a heck of a deal on it, so I can't complain. Stock build, plus Tubus Cargo Evo, Brooks B17, Ortlieb Back Rollers, and Revelate Gas Tank. This will be my year round commuter and will be used for family rides pulling a Burley trailer with my two kids this summer. Hopefully some bike camping too in the not too distant future. Love it so far!
    Great looking bike with useful accessories. Wish they still had Agent Orange in a medium. Enjoy!

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    That is a good looking bike!
    I like the orange!!!
    I have had mine almost 2 years and luv it!!
    I have mine set up pretty close to yours but went with more bling!

    Enjoy!!!
    Great bike!

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    Joined the tribe on Sunday. I've been wanting a Troll for years, but I'm cheap. Picked up an 18" 2012 Agent Orange on a great deal through Twin Cities FB cycle trading group. The frame is in good shape. Wish I could say the same about the drivetrain. It was not taken care of. Stripped everything off last night, cleaned the frame, set the "keep" parts in a tub and just ordered remaining (FD, RD, BB, Crankset). Using a bike hard is one thing. Neglecting it and not taking care of it is another. When I get everything up and running I'll post a pic.

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    Bombproof set-up

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    Here's my wife's Surly Troll. Initially with Shimano XTR drivetrain but switched to Rohloff now. It has a Jones loop H-bar which she loves, Dirt Wizards on Duallys and Brook B-17 saddles.

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    Here's my wife's Surly Troll. Initially with Shimano XTR drivetrain but switched to Rohloff now. It has a Jones loop H-bar which she loves, Dirt Wizards on Duallys and Brook B-17 saddles.
    Nice setup! What spoke holes you choose for that setup?
    I'm still debating myself either go with 32 or 36 holes. 36 hole rim is hard to find in my area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    Nice setup! What spoke holes you choose for that setup?
    I'm still debating myself either go with 32 or 36 holes. 36 hole rim is hard to find in my area.
    32 holes. I'd go with the 36holes if I can find it easily but I built the bikes with traveling in South Am and Central Asia in mind. So far looking around here in Mexico, I seem to see the 32H rims in stores more than the 36h.

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    After acquiring parts for a week I took the morning yesterday to build up my new to me 18" Troll.

    Surly Troll-troll-web.jpg

    Existing Reused:
    Wheels and Tires
    Saddle
    Seatpost
    Stem
    Cassette
    Hydraulic brakes, levers and rotors
    Bars

    New:
    Cane Creek 40 Headset
    XO 9 speed Gripshift
    Ergon GS1 Grips
    Jagwire housing
    BB70 Bottom Bracket
    Deore M610 Crankset, 175mm 24x32x42
    Shimano Saint Pedals
    Deore XT M770 Front Derailleur
    Sram X9 9 Speed Rear Derailleur
    KMC 9 speed chain

    At some point soon I'll be putting on a set of Vittoria Voyageur Hypers I have, and will switch out the saddle and get a longer stem. I'm sure I'll also replace the seatpost, but that can wait. Yesterday afternoon I did a short shakedown ride. What a great bike. The frame is a wonderful foundation.

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    Aussie troll trip

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    Troll on trip to tip of Cape York in Australia last year.
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    After four years of wanting one, I finally went and bought a Troll. I've got an LHT that I've started to take off road more and more, and while it does a fine job, it's probably not the right tool.

    Steve has excellent taste in pants too..


    Dodgy phone pics




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    Quote Originally Posted by elduderino12 View Post
    Steve has excellent taste in pants too..
    ^The second picture made me mess my pants. . .

    Fantastic view, colors, everything. Enjoy it!

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    Reminds me of the Pink Floyd Animals album cover. Awesome shot.

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    Thanks - it's at the top of a hill near my house that overlooks a disused coal mine. I'd gone up not long after sunrise, so there was still some morning fog around giving it a moody effect.

    Love the bike too - lots of smiles so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elduderino12 View Post
    Thanks - it's at the top of a hill near my house that overlooks a disused coal mine. I'd gone up not long after sunrise, so there was still some morning fog around giving it a moody effect.

    Love the bike too - lots of smiles so far.
    Is that a stock bike, or did you build up a frame? Either way what are the details? Looks like a 1x?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elduderino12 View Post
    After four years of wanting one, I finally went and bought a Troll. I've got an LHT that I've started to take off road more and more, and while it does a fine job, it's probably not the right tool.

    Steve has excellent taste in pants too..


    Dodgy phone pics



    Very nice, if I ever get my Troll resprayed, it will probably be in blue.

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    Built from the frame as a cheap and cheerful 1x8 commuter/play bike.

    18" Frame
    XT hubs on Mavic XC717 rims
    Deore Hydraulic Discs
    On One OG Bars
    8 speed Cassette and Alivio Mech
    Surly 38t Front Ring
    Panaracer Gracia XC Tyres

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    No more 18" eggplant frames apparently and now apparently no 18" Steve's Pants until the 15th. D'oh!

    Ryan

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    HI everyone some nice bike pictures added reticently.

    I just managed to pick up a Jones Loop bar for my Troll, not easy in Oz but Dirtworks have them now. I had just changed my bar set up a few months ago, but jumped at the chance to try a Jones bar.

    My lbs did the work for me, I had the bar wrapped with ESI tape, double around the bar ends. And added a set of Specialised Bar Shapers next to the stem, yes I have large hands and a single wrap of tape on the front loop.

    Surly Troll-img_1411.jpg

    The stem is what I was running, I thought it might be a little short but after a shakedown ride I might try it for awhile.

    Here are a few more photos's of the set up.

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    After the shakedown ride the only change that I needed was to move the saddle back a little. And drop the saddle nose a little.

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    The hand positions are great and I can still reach the brake levers from the ends of the bar, which is a very comfortable place to ride from. Resting my palms on the on the bar shapers and fingers on the front loop make for a nice cruising position.

    So very happy so far, now for a few longer rides to see how we get on.

    Let me know if you have any questions.

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    Looks nice...I personally found the Jones bars made my position too squashed up but each to their own...

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    Here's my newly built Troll on her first real outting of the season in Medicine Bow Nat'l Forest this last weekend.





    The parts build for those who care:

    Frame: Large Eggplant Surly Troll
    Fork: Manitou Minute Expert
    Headset: FSA Orbit MX
    Crankset/BB: E*thirteen by Hive XCX+
    Rear Der: Shimano XT
    Front Der: Shimano XT
    Shifters: 3x9 Shimano XTR 970
    Stem: Thompson X4 80mm
    Seatpost: Thompson Setback
    Handlebars: Raceface Atlas
    Grips: Easton 33mm
    Pedals: DMR V8
    Brake Levers: Paul's Love Levers
    Brakes: Avid BB7 w/Jagwire compressionless housing
    Wheelset: Rhynolite rims on Shimano XT hubs
    Cassette: Shimano XT
    Tires: Charge Splashback Tanwall 26x1.8
    Saddle: Chromag Trailmaster LTD Leather

    And that's that. She's finished except ill be building a tubeless wheelset soon to swap when trailriding. Schwalbe Hans Dampf mounted to Stans/DT Swiss 350 rear and Stans/Hope Pro Evo 2 Front.

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    Might hang onto the Troll and run Dirt Wizards. But the long top tube is going to necessitate a bar with some rise and backsweep or a short-ish stem (like 80mm).

    Any recommendations for such a bar? (I asked on the ibob list and among others was recommended the Salsa Bend 2.)

    Anyone experience handling problems on a Troll with a short stem? (I run a 100mm stem on my Ala Carte.)

    Thanks.

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    Currently using 80mm on my Troll with 100m fork. Handles pretty well. Perhaps it's better to measure the effective length from seat post to handle bar to obtain 'ideal' stem length. Top tube length varies from bike to bike

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    I've tried the Bend 2 on my Troll and found it required a shorter stem than the bar I currently use, an Easton EA50. The Bend 2 bends forward before it sweeps back.

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    New question here. Trolling for Troll advice

    I have spent way too much time reading through this entire thread.

    Recent troubles with my Long Haul Trucker have reminded me that I've been lax in my pursuit for a new touring frame.

    Recent troubles with my Raleigh Twenty have convinced me that it is not the ultimate airline travel companion.

    Recent trips to the Surly website (always a bad idea) have shown me that the previous, tempting, Troll frame is about to get a whole lot more compelling with the release of the World Troller.

    Reading through this thread, it sounds like there are a few folks who have owned both a Troll and a Long Haul Trucker. You all might be in the best position to tell me if I'm making a big mistake in considering a switch to a Troll.

    • I want horizontal dropouts. I always use a hub gear, but using one with vertical dropouts elimates some of the benefit. Plus working around that tensioner to get the wheel out is a pain.
    • Some people find the LHT to run fine on gravel. I do not. I'm sure tire selection and inflation play into it, but riding on gravel threatens to shake my teeth out. Riding on other, non-paved surfaces can be done, but usually at a snail's pace. Most of my riding is on pavement, but I'd like to open my options to other terrain.
    • Handling. The LHT is solid and steady no matter how much I'm carrying, as long as I'm going straight. I actually like the handling, and that's my biggest concern about ditching the Trucker, but I'm ready to try something a little more maneuverable.
    • I didn't have much desire for disc brakes until last month when I had to retire a wheel that had been chewed up by my v-brake pads. My bike is my primary form of transportation, so it goes out rain or shine. I'm starting to think disc brakes are the right choice for my all-weather riding.
    • The Trucker's a pleasure to ride, but a pain to transport. It's not so bad, but I do find myself making bike choices based not on what would work best for the ride, but what would work best for the non-biking legs of the trip: what packs best or fits in my luggage or can go in a trunk. If I'm going to have a touring bike, it shouldn't get left behind just because it's hard to transport. That's why the World Troller is looking so appealing.
    • Versatility. The LHT is a fine commuter, but it wants to be a loaded tourer. Best case scenario, I get to tour for maybe two weeks a year and maybe half a dozen weekend, bike-camping trips. The rest of the time it's commuting and wandering around town. The Troll seems like it's happy to be set up for a variety of types of riding. I could see building a couple of wheelsets and doing some different kinds of riding.


    So asking on the Troll thread if I should get a Troll will yield pretty obvious results, but to my fellow Long Haul Trucker riders, with room in my apartment for only one, full-sized bike, could a Troll fill that role better than the LHT?

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    I have both the Troll and LHT. If I'm going in the dirt, it's the Troll, if I'm on pavement it's the LHT.

    If I had to choose just one between the two, a scenario that will never happen for me, I'd go with the Troll and two wheel sets. One set of 650b wheels with mountain bike tires, the other would be 700c wheels with 38-45mm hybrid bike tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    If I had to choose just one between the two, a scenario that will never happen for me, I'd go with the Troll and two wheel sets. One set of 650b wheels with mountain bike tires, the other would be 700c wheels with 38-45mm hybrid bike tires.
    That is what I'm thinking of doing. I can probably just move my wheelset from the trucker (Mavic A319s with 40mm, smooth tires) over to a Troll frame for road use, at least to start, and build up some fatter, off-road wheels. And while the plan is to only have one, full-sized bike in operation (because the apartment gets a little crowded), I would probably hang on to the trucker frame for a while. Just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcnute View Post
    No more 18" eggplant frames apparently and now apparently no 18" Steve's Pants until the 15th. D'oh!

    Ryan
    Anyone know if Surly has the Steve's Pants colored frames in stock yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassa89 View Post
    Anyone know if Surly has the Steve's Pants colored frames in stock yet?
    They do. I am selling my 18" if you're interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassa89 View Post
    Anyone know if Surly has the Steve's Pants colored frames in stock yet?
    10 or less of each size. Only 3 XSs! Act quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcnute View Post
    They do. I am selling my 18" if you're interested.

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    Already? Just not a good fit? PM me your info.

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    Ready to Troll the World

    No Trolls on the floor at my local bike shop, but I test rode their Medium Ogre and decided that the reach was where I wanted it, or at least close enough that some minor stem changes could put it where I want it. So now I have a size, and when the World Troller finally emerges from its cave, I hope to snag one.

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    Okay, I'm still waiting on some parts. I heard the Troll can take a variety of wheel sizes, but I guess there are limits. :-)

    Surly Troll-img_20150801_160230.jpg

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    I gutted my poor LHT and raided my parts bin just to get this thing on the street (which I still haven't done yet because it's kind of late for a test drive), but until I get my hands on the parts I want, I guess it'll look like this.

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    Nice!

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    Anybody ever got a 180mm rotor to work in the rear with PM adapter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_E View Post
    I gutted my poor LHT and raided my parts bin just to get this thing on the street (which I still haven't done yet because it's kind of late for a test drive), but until I get my hands on the parts I want, I guess it'll look like this.
    Looks good and that's a great color!! Are you going with silver or black components?

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    Quote Originally Posted by corwin1968 View Post
    Looks good and that's a great color!! Are you going with silver or black components?
    The plan is black, although right now it's all parts from my mostly-silver, touring bike. It should shift as I get more parts for the bike.

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    I put together something for winter, it can share the studded Bud tire from my Moonlander for days when I'm mostly riding on the road and want to go faster. The rack and fenders were fussy to fit. I might order a disc brake kit for my rack to see if it helps. The fender interferes with the v-brake in the back due to the shallow seat stay angle.

    I just need to pick up another 135 spaced 26" or 29" disc wheel for summer riding when a fat wheel is overkill. And replace that 2nd stem with some spacers.

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