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    6 foot 6 here on a xl

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    My daily commute on my Troll shod with 2.35 schwalbe big apples:
    Surly Troll Commute ft Mr Speedy Brompton & the Putney Bridge walk - YouTube
    (shot of bike in the last 10secs of the video)

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    Re: Surly Troll

    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I'm trying to order straight from QBP, who I have been a customer of for over ten years.


    I love the company and the product but if I can't sell or purchase their stuff it's worthless to me. No point to be promoting something I can't buy or sell.

    And I don't think they are doing it to protect their image, I think they are bummed that their bikes didn't sell very well, and thus went on super clearance prompting IBDs to stop buying because they couldn't compete.

    And don't think Surly was ever was shy about being owned by a HUGE corporation. Them "selling their soul" would be like Mountain Dew selling their soul.
    This place needs an enema.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agwan View Post
    I like that user Ultraspontane went and Neg Repped a post of mine in this thread from December of 2013.

    because that's how you show the world you mean business. you give a meaningless negative point to someone on a bicycle forum.

    I am in awe of his composure. much man, very intimidated.

    He directed me to "shut up" Which means clearly, he desires I do the opposite.
    Whining about it should help.

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    It annoys you. which is the intended purpose of the whining. So, I win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraspontane View Post
    This place needs an enema.

    Meaning what?

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    Nevermind. I have already asked the question on previous page

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    Single Track Machine

    I had an '05 1x1 that I rode for 2.5 years, before cracking the frame on the Fourth of July. Very sad day, but it opened up the option to frame shop. I seriously considered the Soma B-Side but couldn't pull myself away from the Troll.

    The Troll inherited all of my 1x1's components including a new Velocity Blunt 35 650b wheel set that I had only recently put on the 1x1. 650b is a lot of fun. It feels faster once once the momentum is up, I've noticed easier time clearing obstacles. It does feel a bit heavier than my old 26er wheelset, even though I opted to go tubeless. The 2.4 Geax Goma up front is awesome. I'm not as impressed with the 2.25 Ardent on the rear, it tends to wash out easily when cornering.

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    Surly Troll

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    6 foot 6 here on a xl
    If you don't mind,what are your inseam and wingspan?

    Thanks

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    Surly Troll-small-9532.jpg
    My Troll when I was testing a BMX track nearby. It's a little bit dirty, because I also attended with it in a 20km XCM race earlier and hadn't time to wash it.
    I will not go on a race with again. I don't know what was the reason, but the bike is really scary when bombing 40km/h down on a single track. Anyway, I didn't build it for racing

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    Few pics of my first Troll build

    Some new bits...

    Surly Troll-troll001.jpg

    Some old bits (cleaned)...

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    Some wheels...

    Surly Troll-troll003.jpg

    Some tools...

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    A frame...

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    A fork...

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    Half way...

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    All done...

    Surly Troll-troll011.jpg

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    Very nice, it's good to see someone using rim brakes.

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    Surly Troll

    rmwesley: that's a very nice shop. The bike's not too shabby either.

    What size are those Kojaks and how do you like them?


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    Thanks for the kind words regarding the workshop. Having bad OCD is both a blessing and a curse. If I had known you were going to look too closely I would have taken the time to tidy up

    The Kojaks are 26x2.00 and I've got them at 60psi. Only used on tarmac so far. Setting out in the wet gave me some feeling I was taking a knife to a gunfight but I was proved wrong...absolutely no issues...good grip, very fast and comfortable.

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    thinking of trading this for a CX, let me know if anyone is interested

    Troll med frame
    Fsa orbit mx headset
    Deore crank
    Welgo sealed pedals
    Hope hubs
    Mavic 819 rims
    Couple tire choices
    Ergon cork grips
    Bb7s with good housing and cables
    Surly 36t gear
    Sram x5 shifter
    Sram x7 derailleur
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Surly Troll-troller.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by L4NE4 View Post
    thinking of trading this for a CX, let me know if anyone is interested

    Troll med frame
    Fsa orbit mx headset
    Deore crank
    Welgo sealed pedals
    Hope hubs
    Mavic 819 rims
    Couple tire choices
    Ergon cork grips
    Bb7s with good housing and cables
    Surly 36t gear
    Sram x5 shifter
    Sram x7 derailleur
    another pictureSurly Troll-10173817_766320920074186_3394010950715672472_n.jpg
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    Has anyone tried 29er suspension fork on Troll?
    I would like little slacker head angle when running it on 650B tyres than with Troll fork. 29er suspension forks are also cheaper than 650B forks.

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    I've used an Ogre, Salsa Fargo V2 and Enabler rigid forks with 650b wheels with great results. I prefer the way the 29er forks feel over the stock fork actually, particularly on technical decents when out in the mountains. I'm not sure about a suspension fork though, maybe a 29er fork with 80mm of travel. How does the A-C measurement compare between say a 80mm 29er fork and a 100mm 650 fork?

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    Thinking of getting this but I'm hesitating due to the sizing. I'm a small guy (a bit over 5'2 and have approximately 26" inseam).

    Based on the sizing in Surly's website, the standover for XS (14") would be 28.2. In the standover measurement perspective, I will not have clearance. However, I saw some pictures here that shows the middle top tube is a bit lower than 26" wheels. Anyone with the same setup confirm?

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    Hi Mtbr.com, I registered just for this. Nice to meet you. Maybe I'm in the wrong place (a mountain bike site?).

    I'm relatively new to bikes but I'm pretty hardcore. I ride my bike everywhere in Seattle, and I'm a good, fast, safe rider, with a heavy bombproof well-loved touring bike (a repaired, repainted & reborn Rivendell Bleriot). It handles everything, from speeding along at 25 MPH with cars on arterials to crawling over curbs to take dirty shortcuts with cargo, it's a valiant steed but I feel like I'm too hard on it for what it is.

    There are a lot of improvements I'd like to make (upgrading from sidepull brakes to canti or disc brakes, and I need new wheels because these are starting to crack in a few places), and money isn't much of a problem (software developers are overpaid), but I'm wary about investing more into this one because I'd like to try wider tires and this frame can't handle it. I'm at 1.5" wide (~38mm) which is about the max I can do with fenders on a Bleriot.

    I've been eyeing the Troll, as it looks so versatile. I could try 2"+ tires (who knows, I might prefer and return to 38mm), canti, disc, fat tires, racks, fenders, it's even Rohloff-friendly in case I take any crazy pills. It seems like it might be the last frame I would ever need to buy.

    But I haven't seen anyone build up a troll the way I like. Maybe MTB frames just aren't right for that, I don't know, I don't understand bike geometry all that well. I only know my Bleriot, which I love. I just want my Bleriot to have wider tires and support more junk (canti, disc) so I can experiment, and it sounds like the Troll is exactly that. Except it's a mountain bike frame and people talk a lot about off-roading with it, and I just want a practical all-city-terrain bike.

    So tell me:

    Have you seen any Troll built up as if it were a Rivendell -- dynamo hub & lights, fenders, racks, wider city tires (e.g. Schwalbe Big Ben), classic saddle / handlebars / stem / seatpost, touring drivetrain? Like a Troll as if its owner wanted something halfway between a Dutch city bike and French touring bike?

    What if I got the Troll frameset and an Atlantis build kit?

    Am I stupid?

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    That would be far from stupid and would be a great bike for a super rugged, practical bike. The troll will be less snappy than your Riv but will carry you and all of your things accross the city as well as anything out there. Plus you can take it off road if you get the itch and not worry about if your bike can handle it.

    I am currently thinking of selling a few frames I have laying around to fund a troll frameset to make a bike much like you describe.

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    A Troll build up with fenders, Big Bens, dynamo hub, Brooks Saddle and Albatross Bars makes a lot of sense. Depending on sizing, stem and bars, you should have problem obtaining a comfortable position. Go for it.
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    The Atlantis uses a different type of stem than the Troll. So the one that comes in the Atlantis build-kit won't work on a Troll.

    Also, Troll geometry is based on mountain handlebars, not road drops. Grant's bike sizing advice may lead you astray. Pay attention to the effective top tube length.

    Other than that, your concept sounds really cool.
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    You could also look at the long haul trucker or disc trucker for your idea if the sizing works better.

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    Largest 700C tires that fit into the Troll frame

    Hi All,
    just wondering what the largest tire on a 700C rim I could get into a troll frame.
    Back of the envelope calculations suggest around 700x35, does this sound right?
    Anyone got any real world experience with this one?

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    I'm pretty sure folks have run 29er tires on their Trolls, 700x50ish. 700x35 is just slightly larger in diameter than standard 26' mtb tires, the Troll has clearance for really fat tires. Have you looked through this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j10t View Post
    Have you seen any Troll built up as if it were a Rivendell -- dynamo hub & lights, fenders, racks, wider city tires (e.g. Schwalbe Big Ben), classic saddle / handlebars / stem / seatpost, touring drivetrain?
    What you're looking for is almost exactly how I built my Troll out.










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    Just sharing the Troll that I recently bought (piece by piece) and assembled by my colleague:

    Surly Troll-surlytroll-001.jpg
    (Taken before it was complete.. no pedals yet)

    Would have preferred the Eggplant purple but it was out of stock. But hey, I still love what I got!

    On a side note, does anyone know the RAL codes for the purple and orange colors of the Troll?
    Current: Surly Cross Check (Tangerine)

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    Surly Troll

    Quote Originally Posted by mrkcee View Post
    Just sharing the Troll that I recently bought (piece by piece) and assembled by my colleague:

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    (Taken before it was complete.. no pedals yet)

    Would have preferred the Eggplant purple but it was out of stock. But hey, I still love what I got!

    On a side note, does anyone know the RAL codes for the purple and orange colors of the Troll?
    Nice looking Troll! I spy a Jones hihi


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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkcee View Post
    Just sharing the Troll that I recently bought (piece by piece) and assembled by my colleague:

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    Would have preferred the Eggplant purple but it was out of stock. But hey, I still love what I got!

    On a side note, does anyone know the RAL codes for the purple and orange colors of the Troll?
    Really nice looking Troll! I'm wondering if the egg plant being out of stock means we should expect new Troll colors? I hadn't heard about any new color updates for the Troll, but find it odd that egg plant is OOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassavant89 View Post
    Really nice looking Troll! I'm wondering if the egg plant being out of stock means we should expect new Troll colors? I hadn't heard about any new color updates for the Troll, but find it odd that egg plant is OOS.
    Thanks man! Well, I'm not from the US so I guess that explains the availability issue. Will be sticking with the stock color for a while.. maybe I'll have it repainted when it gets a lot of scratches.
    Current: Surly Cross Check (Tangerine)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkcee View Post
    Thanks man! Well, I'm not from the US so I guess that explains the availability issue. Will be sticking with the stock color for a while.. maybe I'll have it repainted when it gets a lot of scratches.
    Black is awesome, and your ride looks great.

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    Surly Troll

    I have a Troll fork, what are my options for a front rack? Is there a thread on this, that someone could point me to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightlinerbob View Post
    I have a Troll fork, what are my options for a front rack? Is there a thread on this, that someone could point me to?

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    There are a ton of options, but you can't go wrong with a Tubus Tara/Disco/Duo, or an Old Man Mountain Ultimate Lowrider (Eyelet mounted, since you've got 'em). You'd have to give us more details on what you'd like out of it, ie. how much load you'd expect to carry, do you want a platform, price range, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightlinerbob View Post
    I have a Troll fork, what are my options for a front rack? Is there a thread on this, that someone could point me to?

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    Most Troll forks, other then the first gen I think, will take rear racks too (just turn them round). Essentially your options are almost limitless.

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    Surly Troll

    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianCoté View Post
    There are a ton of options, but you can't go wrong with a Tubus Tara/Disco/Duo, or an Old Man Mountain Ultimate Lowrider (Eyelet mounted, since you've got 'em). You'd have to give us more details on what you'd like out of it, ie. how much load you'd expect to carry, do you want a platform, price range, etc.
    Well my thinking goes like this:

    I'm a big guy and right now, without anything more than two full water bottles and a bare minimum in the seat bag, the rear wheel is at 200#. The front is so light that often have trouble keeping it on the ground on steep climbs. If I was to try and get the loading to that 40/60 balance, I have room for 35# up front. That's more than enough for any foreseeable future.

    I get stuck on the road sometimes and would like to try a few overnight trips during those times. Camping, preferably. Also when at home and day riding with my three little girls.....snacks, extra layers and on it goes. The more comfortable I make them, the more they'll want to go. That's the ultimate purpose.

    So two medium panniers and a small platform would be enough I think.

    BTW, the Troll fork and Big Apples completely changed the character of my bike for the better. So pleased.


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    troll 2015

    2015 color for the troll: steve's pants


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    I really like that colour.

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    I'm boring, I like everything in black, raw, or raw AND black.
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    Hi,

    I just ordered a 16" Troll frame set with my lbs today and I'd like to see if the Eggplant purple is actually a nice purple so I can confirm the color choice with the lbs before they order from the distributor on monday. I like purple pimp bikes, but this eggplant purple looks ugly purple on Surly's website. Could anyone share outdoor pictures (using sun light) of their 2014 eggplant purple Troll ? It would be very appreciated, thanks
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Surly Troll

    Surly Troll-imageuploadedbytapatalk1416136288.233472.jpg

    Hope this helps!
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    Surly Troll

    ^^ thanks, that's a nice picture. Are both bikes the same purple color ? The middle one looks a tad darker, but still sexy.

    From what I saw, the Troll used to be available in a bright purple, cool orange and sweet blue in the previous years ? A google image search shows very nice colors, but I wonder if anyone had repainted their Troll into a nice monster green or swamp green ? Those who repainted, anyone tried to paint right on top of the factory paint when the bike was still new instead of blasting off the fresh powdercoat to paint on bare steel ?
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    ^^ thanks, that's a nice picture. Are both bikes the same purple color ? The middle one looks a tad darker, but still sexy.

    From what I saw, the Troll used to be available in a bright purple, cool orange and sweet blue in the previous years ? A google image search shows very nice colors, but I wonder if anyone had repainted their Troll into a nice monster green or swamp green ? Those who repainted, anyone tried to paint right on top of the factory paint when the bike was still new instead of blasting off the fresh powdercoat to paint on bare steel ?
    Yes the same color under a different light shade under the trees.
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    Thanks. Would a 42t triple crank be enough paired to a Nexus 3 IGH with ~16t on 26" wheel to reach a decent cruising speed on the pavement like 30km/h (~20mph) ? I'm trying to figure out if I got with a mtn triple like I used to have or try a road or CX double (like a 36/46 or 34/50). Or maybe a single ring, but I live on a hill and every morning I have to climb a pretty steep street right away. How does this bike compare to a XC full suspension with 26" wheels regarding the gearing ratio ?
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Lot's of nice Trolls in here.. Stoked with mine. Surly Troll-forest-troll.jpg

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    Aww, Surly distributor is out of stock for the Eggplant purple, it has been discontinued and will be replaced by another color. So I have no choice but to go with the black frame set.

    Edit : fixed the color info.
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    According to German distributor the color for 2015 is called "steve's pants" turquoise , picture a few posts above
    I ordered a egg plant purple troll (20") a few days ago.
    I hope I will get one before they run out of stock. Don't want turquoise

    Edit: I just got the confirmation: my troll (eggplant purple) is already on the way so excited
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eatdabike View Post
    According to German distributor the color for 2015 is called "steve's pants" turquoise , picture a few posts above
    Ahh, yeah that's more likely to be. I guess the info my distributor sent me got lost in translation somewhere with French accents haha, thanks for correcting me
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Surly's colors tend to have a lot a unofficial names. One of my favorites was "unicorn vomit" for the purple on the Stragglers.

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    Haha, they sure are having fun over there in the office !

    Btw, I was curious about the Frame Saver thingy. Does it really work or moisture alone isn't enough to cause damage to the interior of the tubing ? I ride year round and our winters are pretty nasty slushy and overly de-icing-salty. I've seen the damage done to exposed steel over the winter here, but I would assume the inside of the frame have already been coated in a rust-preventive product before they sent the frame to be painted ?
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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