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    The Build was a parts bin-budget build using some parts from my Pugsley (Pugs got upgrades!), parts from the forum, and stuff from the LBS.

    Wheelset: Shimano M529 hubs, DT butted spokes, Stan's Flow rims (decals removed)
    Tires: Conti XKing 2.4, tubeless
    Crankset: Old LX triple
    Derailleurs: LX rear, XT front
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    Misc: Salsa Stem, Mary bars, Race Face post, Selle Italia saddle
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    When do these get to the UK?

    Any idea when the purple/ warty troll frame sets get to the UK?

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    The Troll handled this much better than I did. 2.3 Big Apples are an absolute blast coming back down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidan View Post
    Any idea when the purple/ warty troll frame sets get to the UK?
    For all things Surly/Salsa in the UK you need to look at the distributers home page, www.ison-distribution.com . Unfortunately it looks like they arnt listing the new troll colours yet as they seem to have good stock of the current orange model. They do however list that 24" ogres are due in on the 30th of this month so hopefully this might come with a side order of troll, but to confirm you need to find a shop that deals with Ison (most do) and get them to phone up and ask.

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    Thanks- duly did as you suggested

    The deal is that whilst the 2013 version premiered at eurobike, Ison still have older versions in stock and do not envisage getting the new'uns in stock for "at least a couple of months". My guess is they wish to clear the old stock prior to committing themselves.

    my further guess is that any discount offered on the old frame set wouldn't cover getting the new mounts brazed on and a fresh powder coat, so it's wait and see or pay shipping from the US....

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    I just took the rack and fenders off my Troll and added some knobby tires, so it's a real mountain bike now! The tires are Continental Trail Kings, which I have no idea if they're a good choice, but they were on sale at REI ($40 for the pair...probably still on sale) and they performed pretty good this weekend.


    Here's the Troll


    In the Wissahickon Valley, a huge tract of forest inside the city of Philadelphia


    Here's the Troll as it was last winter. It stayed in that commuter/touring setup until this weekend, although I fixed the front fender so it's not all wack-ass


    It should only be about 30-40 minutes of work to switch it back to that configuration if need be.

    The setup is mostly stock Troll, except for the tires, the saddle (Brooks B17), the handlebars (Surly Torsion) and grips (Ergon GR2). Oh and the bottle cage up on top of the stem

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    So I've been eyeing a Troll for a while, maybe for a 650B project, maybe to become my utility/child puller/camping bike, maybe just to try something new/old (I've been riding mostly 29ers for many years now). Anyway, my LBS had their annual garage sale today, which they combined with a consignment type swap meet. My buddy and I dropped by on our way to our ride. I picked up a derailer, some pedals, brake levers, etc, $20 worth of random parts, then turned around and decided I couldn't pass up this:



    20" Troll frameset, my size would ideally be 22", but I think I can make this work. Came with a Chris King headset, Bontrager Rhythm Pro wheels (scandium!), Earl Urban tires, Bontrager race bars and stem, and Avid Code brakes, the front of which needs some attention.

    Now for sale!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post

    BBQ'd bacon cheese burgers when we got back to the car.

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    I would love a Troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    So I've been eyeing a Troll for a while, maybe for a 650B project, maybe to become my utility/child puller/camping bike, maybe just to try something new/old (I've been riding mostly 29ers for many years now). Anyway, my LBS had their annual garage sale today, which they combined with a consignment type swap meet. My buddy and I dropped by on our way to our ride. I picked up a derailer, some pedals, brake levers, etc, $20 worth of random parts, then turned around and decided I couldn't pass up this:



    20" Troll frameset, my size would ideally be 22", but I think I can make this work. Came with a Chris King headset, Bontrager Rhythm Pro wheels (scandium!), Earl Urban tires, Bontrager race bars and stem, and Avid Code brakes, the front of which needs some attention.

    All for $300.

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    just got my last bit of gear for my "streamlined" bikepacking option for the Troll, i still have the marathons, panniers and racks for road stuff but i like this option too.




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    That troll looks awesome, love the topeak top-bag, never knew they made one like that.

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    What frame pack is that? It looks just like the one I just got from Greg Wheelwright in Boulder...
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    it is, i love it, will definately be going back to him for more gear for my other bike and for my other halves. great quality and a really decent bloke.

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    I just got a chance to put mine on yesterday night and take a 10 minute ride. Unfortunately I don't know when I'll be able to take it on an actual camping trip...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    it is, i love it, will definately be going back to him for more gear for my other bike and for my other halves. great quality and a really decent bloke.
    Quick question......

    With the frame pack I was thinking of buying one for my Troll but I have been hesitant because I wondered if taking my water bottle cages if I will miss them.

    And can you put bottles in the frame bag?


    Otherwise I was thinking getting the half frame bag?

    Thanks

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    yeah easily, i've got my tent, stove and 1 x 1lt camelbak bottle in there, depending on what you want to fit in there you could fit a few bottles in and some other gear, obviously depends on what size you have, mine is a 18"

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    How do you like the Ragley Carnegie bar? I'm building up a new Troll and trying to decide between it and the range of alt bars that have a 40 deg back sweep (Jones, Mary, Space OR2, etc.). Also, how do you like the GP1 grips with the Carnegie? I noticed that Ergon is coming out with the GC1 for 40 deg bars, but their weird twist seems to be trying to put the hands at the same angle as GP1s on a Carnegie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgprimo View Post
    Quick question......

    With the frame pack I was thinking of buying one for my Troll but I have been hesitant because I wondered if taking my water bottle cages if I will miss them.

    And can you put bottles in the frame bag?


    Otherwise I was thinking getting the half frame bag?

    Thanks
    You can put bottles in there, but I think a bladder makes more sense, it maximizes the space better.

    I have a bottle cage on top of my stem so I don't miss having them in the frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbphilly View Post
    You can put bottles in there, but I think a bladder makes more sense, it maximizes the space better.

    I have a bottle cage on top of my stem so I don't miss having them in the frame

    Bladder is a good idea!
    I was thinking more for short rides and when I have need of a power drink.
    I to had hoped to get the bike out camping this year but I think I have run out of time.
    I think I will probably go with the frame pack.
    Looks good on SteveJ Troll !!!

    My frame is a 22....lots of room!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    just got my last bit of gear for my "streamlined" bikepacking option for the Troll, i still have the marathons, panniers and racks for road stuff but i like this option too.
    Great bike, best looking Troll so far.
    A little question, don't you have trouble with the width of the saddle on technical descents?

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    i dont' do technical descents

    i have a dualie for my serious off roading, this one is just fun for me

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    Studded tires for winter trolling

    How do I know which ones to buy.

    Should I mix and match for the front and back wheel.

    I have ridden the Kenda skinny stud tires front and back for
    two winters.
    They are very good on ice riding slow to moderate and not so
    good in getting me through the snow.

    I ride burbs and city with as many adventurous single track short cuts
    as I can come across.

    Kenda, Nokian, Continental Schwalabe.
    They are all hight quality.

    ... which one.

    any and all comments are greatly appreciated.

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    I also have a few questions about winter riding.

    First off, would you guys recommend maxing out the tire clearance (3" wide tire up front, 2.7" in the back) for mixed use commuter/trail riding in NH and VT?

    Second, will tires that wide be compatible with my Velocity Cliffhanger wheels?

    Lastly, any recommendations for a good winter tire? I'm looking at the Duro Razorback 3" and the Kenda Nevegal 2.7".

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    Kenda Nevegals are my favourite winter tires.

    650b'd


    Any tire that works well at self cleaning in mud will work in snow, Nevegal, Ardent etc.

    Spec, Eskar 26"

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    Thanks for the advice. How much benefit (if there is any) would I gain from running a 3" tire up front? Like R n R's question, is it better to mix and match?

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    I'll run a tire up to 2.5", beyond that it's just too much weight. Might as well have a fat bike at that point.

    New fork and finished the rack set-up.

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    Damn. What a beast. Well done.

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    The Formula for an AWESOME conversion!

    Thanks Matt.

    Take 1 Surly Troll, HA angle 71 degrees, add a set of 650b wheels, replace 453mm, 40mm rake fork with 468mm,45mm rake fork and you are left with a bike that steers better than when it was stock. I'm not sure what I've done as far as the actual geometry numbers but I have to tell you that this thing steers like it has never before. It actually 'rails' turns. Somehow I've hit the jackpot. I love this bike more, the more I ride it.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/21617002@N02/8073963593/" title="DSC07229 by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/8073963593_9ec18ce436.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSC07229"></a>

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    Very cool! Is that a Fargo fork?

    Love that Agent Orange and black fork combo. Not sure that the newer purple is my thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post

    Take 1 Surly Troll, HA angle 71 degrees, add a set of 650b wheels, replace 453mm, 40mm rake fork with 468mm,45mm rake fork and you are left with a bike that steers better than when it was stock. I'm not sure what I've done as far as the actual geometry numbers but I have to tell you that this thing steers like it has never before. It actually 'rails' turns. Somehow I've hit the jackpot. I love this bike more, the more I ride it.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/21617002@N02/8073963593/" title="DSC07229 by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/8073963593_9ec18ce436.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSC07229"></a>

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    Yep, Fargo V2 fork, now that I know how good this fork @ 468mm feels on the bike, I may have to put my Enabler fork on for the winter.

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    Not suprising that it handles great with a 100mm fox float which is 470 axle to crown and 45mm rake. This is my set up. Obviously this changes when sagged, but I'm looking to go 650b front only OR to a 120 fork to get these angles to match up whilst sagged... I love the geometry with the fork locked out and want to get that feel with the sag. I figure a 650b front only will get me all of these things without needing a new fork and reaping the benefits of a bit better rollover. This said, the way the bike rides as a dual 26" bike with the superb fox fork and big tires (minion dhf 2.5 in the front!) is really great already!

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    Salsa racks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    I'll run a tire up to 2.5", beyond that it's just too much weight. Might as well have a fat bike at that point.

    New fork and finished the rack set-up.
    How are you liking the Salsa racks? I wish they had made it so the panniers could be attached lower on the rear rack so that it would be easier to access the rack platform.

    Apparently the front racks play nicely with disc brakes. Was this your experience.

    As for the Minimalist rack, it looks like it extends too far out but I imagine that when it's combined with the Down Low racks and has some weight on it, it's fine.

    As for the 650b conversion... nice. Surly for the win yet again thanks to the built in versatility of their bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Take 1 Surly Troll, HA angle 71 degrees, add a set of 650b wheels, replace 453mm, 40mm rake fork with 468mm,45mm rake fork and you are left with a bike that steers better than when it was stock. I'm not sure what I've done as far as the actual geometry numbers but I have to tell you that this thing steers like it has never before. It actually 'rails' turns. Somehow I've hit the jackpot. I love this bike more, the more I ride it.
    I bet between the fork and increased wheel diameter your head angle is about 69. Combined with the increased fork offset, you're probably pretty close to so-called "all-mountain" geometry. Good experiment.

    Do you think you'll play around with a 26/650b configuration at all? With the Fargo fork you could try 26/29, as well, which I'm guessing would put your BB height in about the same place as the 650b setup.

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    dfl I really like the racks, they are solid front and rear. I didn't want a lower mounting option for my panniers, I have awesome foot clearance. Up front I'm able to get the weight down low. I'll snap some better photos of the way the racks mount to the fork and loaded with my panniers and dry bags.

    matt, I'm liking the set up the way it is right now so much that I'll stop here as far as wheel size is concerned. I sold my KM recently mostly because of how good 650b feels on the Troll. BB height right now feels spot on.

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    Seeing this pic--and having a Fargo V2 fork in my stash--makes me wish I hadn't flipped my Troll so quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Thanks Matt.

    Take 1 Surly Troll, HA angle 71 degrees, add a set of 650b wheels, replace 453mm, 40mm rake fork with 468mm,45mm rake fork and you are left with a bike that steers better than when it was stock. I'm not sure what I've done as far as the actual geometry numbers but I have to tell you that this thing steers like it has never before. It actually 'rails' turns. Somehow I've hit the jackpot. I love this bike more, the more I ride it.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/21617002@N02/8073963593/" title="DSC07229 by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/8073963593_9ec18ce436.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSC07229"></a>

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    My research turned up some surprising comments...

    As I was reading most any thread I could find, including touring travel blogs, I'm seeing a growing notion that folks are replacing, or would consider replacing their touring bikes with the "do-it-all" Troll.

    I've even read about LHT to Troll converts, stating that the Troll simply does both tasks, road touring and off road touring, very well - while having all the various mounts needed.

    Perhaps it's a Troll rather than a 26" Disc Trucker. Sure I would happy with either choice.
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    The only times I've ever disliked riding my Troll it's been on pavement.

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    If it's not obvious yet, I love my Troll and I'm a picture whore.
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/21617002@N02/8112806457/" title="Surly Troll by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8185/8112806457_0b13211d9f_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="Surly Troll"></a>

    Bushwacking.
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/21617002@N02/8112815624/" title="Surly Troll by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8329/8112815624_5ab182a0c5_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="Surly Troll"></a>

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    Thread has been kind of slow lately...needs more Troll pics.

    I just went bikepacking in the Pine Barrens of southern New Jersey this past weekend. Not the most scenic place on earth, but in mid-fall, it's pretty beautiful. I'll post a few pics here and leave the album link for your perusal...



    The Troll is partway to a rackless bikepacking setup. As long as I have my current bulky sleeping bag (North Face Cat's Meow; it has served me well) I'll keep the rear rack around for it to sit on. Meanwhile the hammock, poncho-tarp and pot/stove plus extra clothes go in the handlebar roll (Revelate Designs) and a solid helping of Clif bars go in the pocket on top of that (also Revelate). The Frame bag is from Greg Wheelwright in Boulder, CO (12wheels on bikepacking.net forums - he makes a good bag, check him out!) It holds my water and the rest of the food, plus tools and maps and odds/ends in the smaller pocket. Since I don't have an underquilt for my hammock, I put my rolled-up sleeping pad in a backpack (REI Flash 18...weighs 10oz and rolls up tiny) and rode that way.

    Google Maps took me on some very nice backroads into Wharton State Forest. I don't have a car, so I have to get places the hard way - biked to downtown Philly (on bike lanes the entire 3.5 mile way), took the train to Lindenwold, NJ and then rode 17 miles into the woods where the road turned into sand.



    The full setup is visible here, complete with awkward backpack...an underquilt is next on my list of purchases for sure.


    Camp in the morning



    About to cross an old railroad bridge.

    And here goes the album...many splendid fall foliage pictures lie within!

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    Hi mate, looks like a great weekend. The photos in the album are fantastic, looks like you had the place to yourself. How is sleeping in that tent?

    Regards.

    Stephen.

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    Hi everyone, a few of the troll out in town doing its best to replace a car for me. After six months now and winter behind me its done well so far.
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    Great pictures everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Thanks Matt.

    Take 1 Surly Troll, HA angle 71 degrees, add a set of 650b wheels, replace 453mm, 40mm rake fork with 468mm,45mm rake fork and you are left with a bike that steers better than when it was stock. I'm not sure what I've done as far as the actual geometry numbers but I have to tell you that this thing steers like it has never before. It actually 'rails' turns. Somehow I've hit the jackpot. I love this bike more, the more I ride it.
    How did the conversion effect stand over height? Would you recommend going down a size if you plan on doing it?
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    Almost there...

    Well I've been dicking around with this frame since I got it last July and I think it is about done.

    Rhyno lite 32H rims laced to Ringle Disc Jockey hubs
    BB-7s
    CST Critter 2.1s (Been running them for a few months and really like em)
    XT BB
    FSA 386 crankset 40 and 27 tooth rings (worth a try at $120)
    XT pedals
    XT derailleurs front and back
    SRAM 9 speed cassette 11-34
    SRAM chain
    Rock Shox TK Silver ( had to go soft after I destroyed my wrist)
    Thomson seat post and stem
    Crank Bros. headset (it was orange)
    Easton Monkey Bars
    "Deer Head" shifters ( still shifting after 28 years!)
    Deore levers (looking to get some used Paul's off the ebays)
    Ergon grips
    WTB pure V saddle


    This is my daily commuter (34k round trip on mostly dirt/gravel) and I also bikepack with it when I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly in OZ View Post
    Hi mate, looks like a great weekend. The photos in the album are fantastic, looks like you had the place to yourself. How is sleeping in that tent?

    Regards.

    Stephen.
    Referring to the hammock? It's fantastic! Hammock camping is the way to go, as long as you have trees around...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    How did the conversion effect stand over height? Would you recommend going down a size if you plan on doing it?
    I actually didn't think about standover until you asked the question. With the newer design frame standover really isn't a issue for me. I pick my bikes size based on top tube length. I'd still ride a bike with minimal standover, with modern compact geometries it seems to be less of an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbphilly View Post
    Thread has been kind of slow lately...needs more Troll pics.

    I just went bikepacking in the Pine Barrens of southern New Jersey this past weekend. Not the most scenic place on earth, but in mid-fall, it's pretty beautiful. I'll post a few pics here and leave the album link for your perusal...



    The Troll is partway to a rackless bikepacking setup. As long as I have my current bulky sleeping bag (North Face Cat's Meow; it has served me well) I'll keep the rear rack around for it to sit on. Meanwhile the hammock, poncho-tarp and pot/stove plus extra clothes go in the handlebar roll (Revelate Designs) and a solid helping of Clif bars go in the pocket on top of that (also Revelate). The Frame bag is from Greg Wheelwright in Boulder, CO (12wheels on bikepacking.net forums - he makes a good bag, check him out!) It holds my water and the rest of the food, plus tools and maps and odds/ends in the smaller pocket. Since I don't have an underquilt for my hammock, I put my rolled-up sleeping pad in a backpack (REI Flash 18...weighs 10oz and rolls up tiny) and rode that way.

    Google Maps took me on some very nice backroads into Wharton State Forest. I don't have a car, so I have to get places the hard way - biked to downtown Philly (on bike lanes the entire 3.5 mile way), took the train to Lindenwold, NJ and then rode 17 miles into the woods where the road turned into sand.



    The full setup is visible here, complete with awkward backpack...an underquilt is next on my list of purchases for sure.


    Camp in the morning



    About to cross an old railroad bridge.

    And here goes the album...many splendid fall foliage pictures lie within!

    Photo Album - Imgur
    Just a quick reply since I am between classes I attend and classes I teach, but I like everything about your post!

    I am also a Trollster in Philly and I know of one more (yet to meet up w him)... I am way down to bike-camp and especially in Pine Barrens. Also, that sure looks like a West Philly porch to me.

    Shoot me a PM on here, or I can post my email if you aren't up to the quota yet, but I'd love to meet some more bike campers, especially those not afraid of a little cold or the Jersey Devil. - R

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike for days View Post
    Just a quick reply since I am between classes I attend and classes I teach, but I like everything about your post!

    I am also a Trollster in Philly and I know of one more (yet to meet up w him)... I am way down to bike-camp and especially in Pine Barrens. Also, that sure looks like a West Philly porch to me.

    Shoot me a PM on here, or I can post my email if you aren't up to the quota yet, but I'd love to meet some more bike campers, especially those not afraid of a little cold or the Jersey Devil. - R
    Haha, I'm the other Trollrider in Philly (well there is one more, I remember seeing a guy that you said wasn't you last fall), yeah we need to meet up and ride one of these times...life has been busy as hell.

    I pretty much just have one friend who mountain bikes and he lives in Delaware so more people to ride with is what I need.

    Not sure if you still have my number but I just texted you

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    Mostly I'm subscribing to this thread but I'll post something useful too. . .

    I assume that the Surly Front Rack does not work with a suspension fork; can anyone confirm this for me? I will be initially using a rigid fork but would like a rack with the versatility to be able to work with a suspension fork in case I swap over in the future.
    Check out the freeloader rack
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