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    Dropped my frame and parts collection off at the bike shop this morning, picking up next week. Already looking into building a disc wheel set and a 100-120mm fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbruton7 View Post
    Well from the Surly blog and email correspondence, we now know that the 2013 troll will come in "Nurple Purple" and "Black" and include a third set of water bottle cage mounts on the under side of the down tube and Salsa Anything Cage mounts on the fork (a la the Ogre). My Rohloff and Son 28 hubs arrived from German yesterday. Parts gathering is complete, I just need to build the wheels and wait for the black frames to become available.
    The blog suggests that there is no change to the build, just the colours- is that a mistake?

    I've been waiting off for a year (since this thread's pages were in single figures!) in the hope that the frame/fork mods would be added...

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    Back in early June I wrote to Surly asking the following: "I've heard rumors that the Surly Troll frame and fork will be changed to include bottle cage mounts on the under side of the down tube and anything cage mounts on the fork (as is currently the case on the Ogre). Is this true, and, if so, do you know when Troll frames and forks with these changes will be available? Also, any word on if the Troll will be available in another color and, if so, when that might be available?"

    They wrote back stating: "We will be adding those mounts to the Troll, but it wonít be happening until September or October. Likely around that time there will be another color option as well. So, things are moving, just slowly."

    Combine the above email exchange with the news about purple and black frames on their blog, and we get what I was describing. I took their comment about no changes to the build to mean the components on the complete bike. Fingers crossed that they did not change their minds about adding the new mounts.

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    All those extra holes are nice if you are using them, but otherwise, I'd rather not have them. For touring, sure, they are great, but not necessary. Hose clamps and rubbers strips work pretty well for the occasional use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan ss View Post
    All those extra holes are nice if you are using them, but otherwise, I'd rather not have them. For touring, sure, they are great, but not necessary. Hose clamps and rubbers strips work pretty well for the occasional use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan ss View Post
    All those extra holes are nice if you are using them, but otherwise, I'd rather not have them. For touring, sure, they are great, but not necessary. Hose clamps and rubbers strips work pretty well for the occasional use.
    Were I not going to use them, I would probably question their purpose. But the troll seems such a versatile beastie- drops, mudguards and front and rear racks for road touring, frame bag and anything cages for off road- even hub gears and a trailer if the mood takes you... I'm sure at some point I will have it stripped back as a fixed/free "pub bike", making use of the canti studs so I can use a flipflop hub.

    The troll's going to be replacing a 700c touring bike, as well as my current steel 26" hardtail. As it stands, I would rather have options and not use them than make do without them.

    Can't wait to get one of the new framesets- thanks Sbruton7 for the info

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    If the troll existed x yrs ago I would totally have gotten one of those instead of my 54cm LHT. I am considering a swap of sorts but it's a financial hit for sure. But the new purple color I am very curious about!

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    I'd buy a green 26" Disc Trucker today if it would accept wider tires. But it won't, so it looks like my next frameset will be either a Troll or a Krampus. A Krampus IF I can get one this fall and IF it has a good number of rack and bottle mounts. Otherwise it will be a Troll.

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    Troll frame size for tall people

    I'm somewhat patiently waiting to buy one of the new black Troll frames in Sept/Oct, when they become available. So I am spending the interim obsessing about which frame size to get. I'm 6'4", so I could fit the 22" with no problem, but I like a shorter top tube and lower stand over height. So, I am also considering the 20" (with a Thomson 410mm set back seat post and a 100mm or 110mm stem). Anyone out there over 6'2" riding a 20" Troll who can provide feedback and pics of your set up? For those with the 22" frame, what is the shortest stem you have run? Have stems under 90mm adversely effected handling?

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    Troll Reborn

    Hey everybody,

    Just checking in. After finishing an epic Alaska to Argentina ride on my Troll (alongside my brothers, you can read about it on our Bound South blog).

    I'm home and it's time for the Troll to be reinvented.

    Now, instead of a full-on tourer, it's more of an XC MTB that I will use to commute and with a little outfitting, it will again become an off-road touring machine with some light racks, Arkel off-road bags, frame bag, and bar bag.

    The big change is the suspension on the front with a burly Rockshox XC32 steel coil-sprung fork. Suspension totally changes the character of the Troll. What a fun bike. I can't stop smiling or riding the thing. I also converted from Salsa Woodchippers to flat bars with Avid levers and man it's a fun bike to ride. If I weren't doing off-road touring I'd stick to the Woodchippers long term.

    The major build notes:

    Avid BB7 brakes
    Avid SD7 levers (these are a new addition along with the flat bars)
    Rohloff with Velocity Cliffhanger rims (heavy but bulletproof and damn fun)
    Campy alloy road racing cranks, Phil square taper BB (adjustable for chainline), BBG bashguard
    Thomson stem/post

    I'll say it again: what a great bike.

    I'll finish by quoting the Surly official Troll page:

    "Use it as a mountain bike, cruiser, commuter or touring rig. Make it your go-to utility tractor. Try out different tires and handlebars. Add some racks, build it with gears, or strip it down to a singlespeed drivetrain. Take it camping, ride it to the grocery store or session on your favorite single-track. Build it up, ride it for a while, then reinvent it."
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    Hey, I'm doing some more serious mountain biking and want to get a pair of knobby tires to replace the slick ones from my stock Troll. I'll be getting a more serious touring/trekking tires at some point, but right now I just want a relatively inexpensive (ideally around $50 for a pair) set of tires that'll increase my traction when riding on dirt.

    Any suggestions? I would also like the fattest tires possible.

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    Looks like you can get the Maxxis Ardent 26x2.6 for $35/tire at CambriaBike.com.

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    maybe not the cheapest but i got a pair of Schwalbe Nobby Nic 26 x 2.4 for $66 AUD delivered from CRC, they are fat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dm.aelis View Post
    Hey everybody,

    Just checking in. After finishing an epic Alaska to Argentina ride on my Troll (alongside my brothers, you can read about it on our Bound South blog).
    You have no excuse for driving to work
    (unless you don't have studded tires)
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    Hey Saddle Up,

    How well does your Ortlieb handlebar bag stay put on the trails? Are you using it for a dslr camera, and if so, how well does that work for you?

    Thanks,
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    So far so good, the mounting system for the bag is the best I've ever seen. It uses a wire under tension in a figure 8 type configuration around the stem. I'm not using a dslr but I do carry my camera in the bag, with a light jacket, gloves etc, it's enough to protect the camera from bouncing around. They do have an optional internal divider that would also aid in keeping things put. I ordered a second mount for my LHT the very same day I installed this one on the Troll I was so impressed with it.

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    The ortlieb mount and the bag itself are very good, with a DSLR in (using ortlieb padded insert) mine was quite stable when taking my LHT down dirt roads. Wouldnt reccomend it on 'offroad' trails tho, the bag isnt solid so it would bounce around a lot, and that would annoy my sufficiently to not bother with it.

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    Surly has posted some pictures of their 2013 models in new colors. Here is one of the new Troll in purple. You can see the new anything cage mounts on the fork and water bottle mount on the underside of the down tube. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

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    Actually, just noticed that the top of the down tube has anything cage mounts, too.

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    I don't know . . . that frame has nine more holes that would be filled with nine screws, at least for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterBoy View Post
    agreed on the 's! i checked in on your guys blog during your journey. looked like a great trip, well done!

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    .....i mean in regards to........

    Quote Originally Posted by dm.aelis View Post

    epic Alaska to Argentina ride on my Troll (alongside my brothers, you can read about it on our Bound South blog).

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    Needs a bit of tweaking with the stem and bars but pretty happy with it.
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    Purple Troll!

    Well my girlfriend likes purple more than orange and wanted the extra mounts on the fork so I spent yesterday swapping last years frameset for this years. She loves it!



    Last edited by skrnygphr; 09-02-2012 at 12:40 PM.

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    Cool!
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    Interesting brake setup, I see Canti's but also a disc on the rear? I would so put a Tomicog there for a "just in case moment."
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    I knew someone was going to notice that. She's been waiting for the new Shimano mechanical disc calipers to be available and then the cantis will come off.

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    Looks like my Pugsley will get a friend, just ordered a purple Troll frameset to build up over the next couple weeks.
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    purple troll

    Hell yeah!
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    Well done dude. Her smile says it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skrnygphr View Post
    Well my girlfriend likes purple more than orange and wanted the extra mounts on the fork so I spent yesterday swapping last years frameset for this years.
    What bars are those?

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    The bars are Soma Sparrows.

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    Awesome thanks!

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    New question here.

    Are the 2013 framesets already available?

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    Yes they are, picked up my purple one yesterday

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    Thanks. I had trouble finding a seller. I just ordered the black frame (plan to repaint, though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    I mentioned that the honkin' 46T chainring on the "complete" Troll build saws through the logs that litter the local trails I ride. Further, a brittle aluminum chainring is at risk for bash-induced damage that renders said chainring unusable. I have looked extensively into bash guards, and there is no functional option that preserves the big chainring. Which is fine.

    According to my calculations, the loss of the big chainring only costs you the TWO highest gears. According to more nominal calculations, and assuming a maximum working cadence of 120 rev/min, the middle chainring tops out at 28 MPH, the big ring at 38 MPH. I cannot envision a reality in which I can sustain 38 MPH on a fat-tired bike on flat ground.

    Easy decision to lose the big ring and replace it with a burly load-bearing bash ring.

    I am even considering stripping off the front derailler and shifting into the lower ring manually when the rare occasion arise. Whoo - and I get my second water bottle mount back.

    Feel free to discuss.
    This seems like a good move for me; I never use my top two gears anyhow. If I'm on a long, long trip I might replace the whole thing with a 3-ring setup but smaller rings than th stock, but that's another story.

    So this is giving away my mechanical ineptitude maybe, but wouldn't just simply removing the big chainring cause lots of cross-chaining? Is there some kind of spacer that you might install to move the remaining two rings closer to centered with the rear cassette? Or is cross-chaining just not as bad as I've been lead to believe?

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    In 2006 I did an endurance series and only used the middle ring 90+% of the time. Very occasionally I'd use the small ring on long fire road climbs, and I think I used the big ring once or twice - but never the highest few gears. 32x11 with 26" wheels was plenty. FWW, on other bikes I've had top gears of 46x15 and 38x13, so IME something like a 76" top gear is fine most of the time and anything over 42x12 is toatl overkill, for me anyway. Having two rings also vastly decreases the chance of chainsuck IMHO since the front derailleur should be moved right down on top of the outer (formerly middle) ring, removing any doubt the downshift will happen.

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    Surly Troll-imageuploadedbytapatalk1347324354.903233.jpg


    22" troll set up as hardcore xc rig. 100mm debadged fox 100 with 15mm axle. Debadged sun ringle charger pros. 2.5 minion dhf in front 2.35 slant six in back. 760 atlas bars with oury lock ons. Just under 29 lbs as shown.

    I weight 225 and built thus for safety and durability without sacrificing fun, flick ability and versatility.

    I really love it! May think about 650b or a 120 fork but as is I really like it! Only complaint is that I get lots of pedal strike..

    Hope this helps those who are thinking about the worlds most versatile off road frame... It absolutely is a mountain bike first, touring bike second. Thanks surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    In 2006 I did an endurance series and only used the middle ring 90+% of the time. Very occasionally I'd use the small ring on long fire road climbs, and I think I used the big ring once or twice - but never the highest few gears. 32x11 with 26" wheels was plenty. FWW, on other bikes I've had top gears of 46x15 and 38x13, so IME something like a 76" top gear is fine most of the time and anything over 42x12 is toatl overkill, for me anyway. Having two rings also vastly decreases the chance of chainsuck IMHO since the front derailleur should be moved right down on top of the outer (formerly middle) ring, removing any doubt the downshift will happen.
    While you might be ok most of the time running a single ring there are disadvantages. The lack of gearing options on the front will push you to use smaller sprockets of the rear cassette a lot more than if you had a triple up front. This will cause accelerated wear of your cassette, tho only really an issue if your putting in big miles.

    Cross chaining shouldnt be an issue as you should be able to use the whole cassette with the 'middle' ring anyway.

    Chainsuck? (chainsuck to most people is the chain sticking to the chainring and either getting jammed against the chainstay, moving the front mech wont stop this), i think your talking about dropping the chain behind the crank and maybe getting sucked in and jammed. Moving the front mech down will help this but mechs are designed to operate at a certain height and may not perform 100% if not in the right place. Shimano and SRAM make a range of double specific front mechs suited to certain sized chainrings.

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    [QUOTE=Leodesforges;It absolutely is a mountain bike first, touring bike second. Thanks surly.[/QUOTE]

    Yep, a mountain bike that can take you touring anywhere.

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    Purple troll is awesome and now the wife demands it.... She did offer plenty in return for it though...
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    Had mine out the other day enjoying an early taste of fall.




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    This is how you get to work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickyelsdon View Post
    Chainsuck? (chainsuck to most people is the chain sticking to the chainring and either getting jammed against the chainstay, moving the front mech wont stop this)...
    With a triple crankset one is depending to some extent on the shape of the chain sideplates and the chainring teeth for the shift to take place, and the narrower the chain the more this is the case IMO. It is not possible for the downshift from the middle to the small ring to be as positive as that from the large to middle ring as there is something like 20mm more of unsupported - and thus flexible - chain between the larger ring and the front derailleur's outer cage plate.

    When the (formerly) outer ring is removed from a triple crankset, the (formerly) middle ring becomes the outer, and the front derailleur can be moved down so that it just clears this ring. Once that happens there is no way the chain can stick to this ring and refuse to shift, hence no chainsuck. There is very, very little unsupported chain to flex - as is the case when downshifting from the outer ring of a triple crankset. Yes, in some cases a different front derailleur might be required to prevent contact with the chainstay.

    Wear is IMHO a non-issue as if one has the bike geared in a reasonable manner (for the rider and use) the smallest rear cogs will only be used occasionally, when going fast. If this is not the case then either the gearing is unsuitable or - much more likely - the rider's cadence is way too low, or they just don't bother changing gears. SS fixes the latter...

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    I'm diggin my new Troll
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    Hi mate, the purple looks great, the ride as good as ever. What size are the tyres 2.4 ?

    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    I'm diggin my new Troll
    I'm diggin your new Troll too. Nice bike, care to share the build with us?
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    What sizes are your frame and Tangle bag please?

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