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    ^Thanks for that, but the measurement required is actually from the centre of the BB to the top of the *frame* (where the clamp goes that stops the seatpost slipping back down), or in other words from the centre of the BB to the BOTTOM of the exposed seatpost. What I'm trying to figure out is the *actual* centre-to-top measurement for a given frame size, as opposed to the Surly nominal frame size measurement that goes to somewhere below this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    ^Thanks for that, but the measurement required is actually from the centre of the BB to the top of the *frame* (where the clamp goes that stops the seatpost slipping back down), or in other words from the centre of the BB to the BOTTOM of the exposed seatpost. What I'm trying to figure out is the *actual* centre-to-top measurement for a given frame size, as opposed to the Surly nominal frame size measurement that goes to somewhere below this point.
    48cm on my 18"

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    Here are a couple recent photos in fully-loaded touring mode. The Troll is well balanced with a full load such that I can ride no hands. Went with the OMM Sherpa on the front, rather than low riser, because a lot of my offroad riding needs the clearance for grass, rocks and branches. Also, mud build up on the panniers won't be as much of an issue.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mwv View Post
    48cm on my 18"
    Thanks for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    ^Thanks for that, but the measurement required is actually from the centre of the BB to the top of the *frame* (where the clamp goes that stops the seatpost slipping back down), or in other words from the centre of the BB to the BOTTOM of the exposed seatpost. What I'm trying to figure out is the *actual* centre-to-top measurement for a given frame size, as opposed to the Surly nominal frame size measurement that goes to somewhere below this point.
    Most Surly's seat tube length are 1" longer than the listed size on their site...
    When trails gets tougher, Just stand up and deliver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backcountryeti View Post
    Nice build! How do you like having suspension again? I am thinking of getting a suspension fork to switch out for longer, off road excursions. Powder looks good too!
    On this ride I only needed it for once section, a stretch of unpaved road completely covered with pizza-sized divots about 6 inches deep, just enough to make my wrists and elbows go numb had I not had the suspension.

    But I like it. I still have the other fork so someday I'll switch out and compare. When I get my Karate Monkey built up for the same terrain I'll have a better idea of how critical it is.

    Once I find some singletrack I'm sure it'll be more important; many of the local riders are fully suspended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    Most Surly's seat tube length are 1" longer than the listed size on their site...
    At least - my Cross Check was 30mm larger, at 590mm centre of BB to top of seat tube versus 560mm "Surly size" which was from centre of BB to top of top tube.

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    So I bought Gossamer's Troll in the next larger size and I'd say it fits much better than the 18". Thanks again dude!
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    My new Troll build. Already been on a few good rides. Loaded, and unloaded. Love it. Just need to get the bars up a bit, since I have a very long torso, and short arms and legs.

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    Love it!

    what tyres are they? Marathon Extreme?

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    Changed the OMM Sherpa front rack for a better fit and handling. Now mounted the other way around and directly to the fork, rather than the QR. This gets the rack lower and further back, adding more stability to the front end. Probably not as strong as the QR mount, but for lighter loads on roads and smoother trails, I'm not too concerned with strength. Would definitely switch back to the QR mount for rougher terrain or heavy loads.


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    after what seems months of waiting my Troll frameset is hopefully going to arrive today, it will be a late nite as i plan to build it straight away.
    stand by for pics.

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    and done






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    yeah i had a bit of trouble on the front, i dont' know how some of the guys are getting around the brake caliper, i ended up having to use the next set of bosses up, works fine though.

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    very nice! I've fenders I still gotta throw on mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    yeah i had a bit of trouble on the front, i dont' know how some of the guys are getting around the brake caliper, i ended up having to use the next set of bosses up, works fine though.
    If you keep the plastic safety clips then you'll struggle to clear some brake calipers. Most people ditch them* this allows you to bend/kink the wire strut to clear the caliper and just bolt the wire to the fork directly

    *on some fork/caliper combinations you can keep the plastic clip and still bend the wire strut around the caliper.

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    Looks like you already cut down your fender stays, so too late unless you replace them. I use an aluminum spacer to clear the caliper. Probably 1/2" or less. Should be able to find at any decent bike shop. Could do the same with several washers.

    Nice build, BTW.

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    SteveJ, is the rear Tubus rack the 700C version or the (11-13mm lower) 26" specific one??? I'm wondering as it seems a bit higher above the wheel than ideal, and whether it cannot instead be mounted to the lower "trailer" eyelets. If it's the 700C rack the two changes would be worth maybe 3cm or so...

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    good eyes sir!

    you are correct, it's a rack i had on my last bike, not sure how it will affect the handling.

    i just went out and tried what you suggested but when using the lower hole it fouls with the fender support arms.

    happy to listen to any suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan ss View Post
    Looks like you already cut down your fender stays, so too late unless you replace them. I use an aluminum spacer to clear the caliper. Probably 1/2" or less. Should be able to find at any decent bike shop. Could do the same with several washers.

    Nice build, BTW.
    even where i have them mounted i had to use a spacer, i couldnt' work out any other way to do it. i hit the trails today on it and it was great fun to ride, heading out tomorrow to explore for some bike camping sites.

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    Looks like the cargo evo (tubus - Cargo evo) might be a bit easier to mount, and a bit lower in the 26" specific version. (I'm waiting for the frames with the extra braze-ons to appear, so have plenty of time to dither about stuff.) The way things are going it ight be next year before I do anything. [sigh]

    Also, I'm wondering if anyone here has tried to fit a Tubus Smarti front rack (tubus - Smarti) to a Troll. The mid-height bag placement works well off-road (previous custom rack on long-gone bike), but I suspect none of the eyelets on the Troll fork will actually work. :-(

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    After 3 stems and about 5 sets or bars I think I am done tinkering......maybe.
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    Sorry for the indoor pics.... its seen 1800 miles this year in various forms this year alone.


    22" Troll
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    SLX 2x crank
    bb7/shorty ultimate
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwv View Post
    After 3 stems and about 5 sets or bars I think I am done tinkering......maybe.
    Im sorry add some more tinkering
    I think you need a setback seatpost to balance out the weight on your Brooks rails?
    What ya think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    Im sorry add some more tinkering
    I think you need a setback seatpost to balance out the weight on your Brooks rails?
    What ya think?
    Well I've already got 23mm of offset with that seat post so if anything I need a seat with longer rails or a bigger frame

    That position of the saddle is recent and temporary to see how it felt.

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    Just finished putting together a Troll for my wife:

    16" Troll frameset (LBS)
    2010 Fox F32 RL fork (eBay)
    Mavic XC717 / Shimano XT wheelset (eBay)
    Kinda Nevegal 2.1" tires (parts bin)
    Spec stem and Ritchey bars (parts bin)
    Sram X.7 2x10 drivetrain (Craigs)
    Sram PG 1050 cassette (Craigs)
    KMC 10sp chain (Craigs)
    Shimano PD M520 pedals (parts bin)
    Specialized Jett Ti saddle (Craigs)
    Bontrager carbon seatpost (parts bin)
    Avid BB7 brakes / rotors (parts bin)
    Avid brake levers (parts bin)


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    [QUOTE=Holmes;9413925]Just finished putting together a Troll for my wife:

    16" Troll frameset (LBS)
    2010 Fox F32 RL fork (eBay)
    Mavic XC717 / Shimano XT wheelset (eBay)
    Kinda Nevegal 2.1" tires (parts bin)
    Spec stem and Ritchey bars (parts bin)
    Sram X.7 2x10 drivetrain (Craigs)
    Sram PG 1050 cassette (Craigs)
    KMC 10sp chain (Craigs)
    Shimano PD M520 pedals (parts bin)
    Specialized Jett Ti saddle (Craigs)
    Bontrager carbon seatpost (parts bin)
    Avid BB7 brakes / rotors (parts bin)
    Avid brake levers (parts bin)

    what's her inseam and her height? im thinking of getting an 18 but maybe i'll fit better with a Surly size 16". so just curious to know

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerface View Post
    what's her inseam and her height? im thinking of getting an 18 but maybe i'll fit better with a Surly size 16". so just curious to know
    She's 5'3" and about 29" inseam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holmes View Post
    She's 5'3" and about 29" inseam.
    i'm 5'4", inseam 31. Will I fit better on a 16"?

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    i'm 5'4" too, same inseam

    older version size 16 1x1 and older version size 16 karate monkey fits fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by bb1mina View Post
    i'm 5'4" too, same inseam

    older version size 16 1x1 and older version size 16 karate monkey fits fine
    thanks..

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    Here are a couple shots of racks, fenders and disc brakes mounted on the Troll. A few spacers, and everything fits fine.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Holmes View Post
    Just finished putting together a Troll for my wife:

    16" Troll frameset (LBS)
    2010 Fox F32 RL fork (eBay)
    Mavic XC717 / Shimano XT wheelset (eBay)
    Kinda Nevegal 2.1" tires (parts bin)
    Spec stem and Ritchey bars (parts bin)
    Sram X.7 2x10 drivetrain (Craigs)
    Sram PG 1050 cassette (Craigs)
    KMC 10sp chain (Craigs)
    Shimano PD M520 pedals (parts bin)
    Specialized Jett Ti saddle (Craigs)
    Bontrager carbon seatpost (parts bin)
    Avid BB7 brakes / rotors (parts bin)
    Avid brake levers (parts bin)
    Is it cool if I come rummage around in your parts bin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimhazy View Post
    Is it cool if I come rummage around in your parts bin?
    Me too!

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    LOL - I got a pretty deep parts bin at this point, but it's not *that* deep ;-)

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    Can't include the pic, but here's the link...
    farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7411788360_44359bf58f_c.jpg
    Add the h t t p : / /

    I have been riding 1X1's for years, SS and Fixed. Spent the last year in school and off the bike. This is my gift to myself for the trials of the last 12 months. So love it. Taking it out on the Tapeworm tomorrow! I put the road tires on the stock rims and had a clydesdale wheelset built up for the dirt. Like having two bikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    Can't include the pic, but here's the link...


    I have been riding 1X1's for years, SS and Fixed. Spent the last year in school and off the bike. This is my gift to myself for the trials of the last 12 months. So love it. Taking it out on the Tapeworm tomorrow! I put the road tires on the stock rims and had a clydesdale wheelset built up for the dirt. Like having two bikes!
    Nice! I'm interested to hear how you like the Open Bars on dirt. After a few off-road miles with mine in the stock configuration, I swapped mine out for the Torsion Bar off my 1x1=11 when I set it up with tires and suspension fork for the trails.

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    It's been awhile thread. Crazy end to a semester and some personal nonsense, but glad to see all these new Troll builds!

    I am bucking common sense and the Schwalbe Marathon trend. I had heard some things about Geax Evoluton tires and saw a good deal so I got a pair for some touring later this summer. Seeing as how I got a pair for what one Marathon costs I figured worth a try. No inherent flat protection (I'll run Mr Tuffies though) but tons of rubber seem to keep the flats at bay, according to reviews. I'll post a field report after I put some miles in.

    I don't have any new visuals to add but how about an anecdote : I was about to wrap up a solo trail ride when I ran into a few folk, one who had that ear to ear grin of their first ride. Since that leg of the trail is a roundabout way back I asked if I could join them. They said yes but first freaked out about finally getting to see a Troll, and a fixed one at that. I felt like the belle of the ball. :P

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    Open Bar

    Yeah, I'm interested in how I'll like the open bars on the soft and dirty too. They have a geometry not unlike the Jones H-bar on my 1x1, but I have heard that they are "flexy" . Since I eschew the complexity of suspension, that flexy may come in handy. I am a little skeptical, tho... Will keep y'all updated
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    Hitch mount hack.

    I had a great idea today, which I quickly implemented on my troll. Since it ended up being are very easy and rather elegant solution to positioning my to Tubus Logo rack where I wanted it to be, and making use of those 10 x 1 trailer hitch mounts,I thought I would share it with you today. First, I hope that you've kept those cantilever break studs that you've removed from their bosses the day you received your frame, as they share the same 10 x 1 threads as the trailer hitch mounts. take two of the brake studs and mount them tightly into the trailer hitch mount holes. Now, use a hack saw to cut off the skinny part of the cantilever brake stud, but do not cut off the fat part with the flats. Be sure to cut away all of the skinny part of the stud, but do not cut into the fat part. Use a flat file to file away any burrs, and to make the surface as flat and smooth as possible. Voilà, now you have created an M10 x 1 to M6 reducer. The M6 bolt actually fits my Tubus Logo rack mounting hole better than the standard M5 bolt. You can now mount your rack to the trailer hitch mount holes which will give you the lowest possible, and farthest back possible position which is exactly what I wanted. It is also a much stronger connection as you're using an M6 bolt, instead of an M5 and you don't have to use the required aluminum spacer that Tubus supplies, as the remainder of the brake stud serves perfectly as a replacement for that spacer and it does not move around.
    See pic.
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    i like, will look at doig that myself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    i like, will look at doig that myself!
    Make sure that the brake studs are from your Troll. Most other brands use a different thread pattern.

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    Tokyotroll - Genius!

    Has any body played around with the positioning of the rear axle in the track ends? My bike is setup with the axle right above the derailler hanger, but I want to move it all the way forward for easy wheel swaps. I can't imagine that it affects shifting significantly. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyotroll View Post
    Make sure that the brake studs are from your Troll. Most other brands use a different thread pattern.
    check

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSchlemmer View Post
    Tokyotroll - Genius!

    Has any body played around with the positioning of the rear axle in the track ends? My bike is setup with the axle right above the derailler hanger, but I want to move it all the way forward for easy wheel swaps. I can't imagine that it affects shifting significantly. Thoughts?
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    i run mine all the way forward (ie no tug nuts or similar) and it shifts fine.

    cheers
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    I also run mine all the way forward. Everything is fine.

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    will a 29er tire fit the troll fork? any issues doing so?

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    Open Bars dirt report:

    I took the Troll to Tapeworm today. The Tapeworm is a collection of twisty, flowy trails packed into a parcel of land owned by Puget Sound Energy, southeast of Seattle. I've ridden this trail countless times, on every bike I have owned for the last 15 years, from full-boingers, to rigid SS, to mountain fixie.

    I have mostly ridden this trail on my 1X1, with a 1st generation Jones H-bar. It's nice and wide, with much leverage and good compliance for a rigid front end. The Open Bar feel very much like the H-bar. Scooting through the switchbacks and hopping roots was very natural and I didn't notice any excessive springiness in the bars. For technical trail work I have no complaints with the ride nor feel of the Surly Open Bar. There are some sections on the Tapeworm where the trail is narrow, and I worried about whacking my knuckles or catching a brake lever, but it never happened.

    Having a "big" chainring (46T) on the cranks is new to me - I don't like the feel of delicate aluminum teeth sawing through the numerous logs that lay across the trail in places. I am used to sliding over them on a bash ring on the SS - I might need to get one for the Troll.

    The only downside to this handlebar is a lack of different hand positions for relieving the monotony of road work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyotroll View Post
    Voilà, now you have created an M10 x 1 to M6 reducer. The M6 bolt actually fits my Tubus Logo rack mounting hole better than the standard M5 bolt. You can now mount your rack to the trailer hitch mount holes which will give you the lowest possible, and farthest back possible position which is exactly what I wanted.
    Awesome. I don't need a rack on my Troll at this moment, but I'll keep this in mind! May be a solution for mounting the mini Nashbar front rack I have in a box to my Xtracycle-1x1 fork too.

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