Why is this such a hard thing to decide? Maybe it depends on the bike in question...lol! Perhaps a poll is in order?
How do YOU run them?
I can't decide:
Or like this:
Karate Monkey SS. Curvy is the new straight
EDIT: and then my pics are sideways....fricking sweet!
2010 Surly Conundrum
2012 Felt Brougham
2013 Salsa Colossal
2013 All City Nature Boy
2014 Big Dummy
Both of those settings look extreme to me.
Down with the stem up more to put the grips level with the saddle
Get the zero rise Open Bar.
All good expeditions should be simple in concept, difficult in their execution and satisfying to remember--Alastair Humphreys
What matters is: which way feels the best for you?
The no-rise open bar came on my Troll. I like the bars, but would have been a little happier with a slight rise.
Down is dumb.
Up to stay classy.