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    Tactical Ogre

    This is my first ever post on MTBR . . . if this works for me, I'll provide details on the build.
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    Build Highlights:
    Front Hub-King ISO-Brown
    Rear Hub-King SS ISO-Brown
    BB-King
    Crankset-Surly Mr. Whirly
    Stem-Thomson
    Bars-Enve
    Rims-Stan's Arch EX
    Spokes/Nipples-DT Champion 2.0 Black/DT Alloy Black
    Tires-Kenda Small Black Eight
    Brakes-Avid BB7
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    Last edited by happytobehere; 02-12-2013 at 08:25 PM. Reason: Update with Build

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    Welcome to MTBR, happytobehere. And congrats on this awsome looking build!

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    Alright... So I'm being quartered here. Almost literally. I currently live in Fairbanks, Alaska but will be moving to Rock Island, Illinois (Quad Cities) in a month. I hear there are some single track trails around but nothing like the riding possibilites you'd find here in Alaska. I currently ride a Specialized Langster Seattle edition which has a sloping top tube and straight bars. I've used it as a commuter for the past 2 years probably 2 days a week during the summer and absolutely zero when it gets cold outside. I have posted my Toyota Tacoma for sale on craigslist and do not plan on purchasing another vehicle after I move so the bicycle I purchase will be my only mode of transportation. I want a bicycle that's comfortable to ride for short and long distances. Is relatively enjoyable. Can haul my camera equipment and groceries. Could tow a trailer (just a possibility). Handle any type of weather ie. snow and ice. And also take me off the road if I so choose. I was originally sold on a LHT and then navigated toward the ogre and then I discovered the Salsa Vaya.

    The bike will be 75% commuter while hauling light/moderate loads and the remaining time will be unloaded cruising around from bar to bar or wherever I so choose. I don't really see myself touring a great deal but I like the idea of being capable.

    I like the idea of having a mountain bike that does just fine on the road vs a road bike that can go off but doesn't really enjoy it a great deal.

    My biggest issue is deciding which I value more, capability or enjoyment.

    HELP!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoismestas View Post
    -- stuff --
    When designing things at work and at play, I've found designing for the 90% case, then figuring out workarounds for the other 10% case works best.

    Errands: You can use a bob trailer. Bob nuts have a dedicated mount on the Ogre.
    Commuting: Whatever works for you.
    Touring: Use the trailer and/or frame bag/racks.

    Overall, I test rode the Vaya, Fargo and Ogre. Didn't like the too-low gearing on the Fargo, and the handling was weird. The Vaya and Ogre were both comparable, with it mostly depending on the degree of offroad'ishness. Vaya is a better choice for a dedicated on road bike IMO, as it rolls a little faster. I've been able to appreciate the Ogre's ability to handle MTB tires more than a few times lately though; I keep some folding Continental Mtn Kings in my bike box for appropriate usage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happytobehere View Post
    This is my first ever post on MTBR . . . if this works for me, I'll provide details on the build.

    Build Highlights:
    Front Hub-King ISO-Brown
    Rear Hub-King SS ISO-Brown
    BB-King
    Crankset-Surly Mr. Whirly
    Stem-Thomson
    Bars-Enve
    Rims-Stan's Arch EX
    Spokes/Nipples-DT Champion 2.0 Black/DT Alloy Black
    Tires-Kenda Small Black Eight
    Brakes-Avid BB7
    Questions?
    Seatpost-Thompson

    Wow! Thanks for the inpiration!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbryant2 View Post
    Two Ogres in the mist, and an Ogre at the entrance to a trail named "Ogre."
    Do you have any more pictures of the black Ogre with the Fox fork? I've been contemplating going that route, but can't find too many pictures of Ogres with squishy forks.
    Enjoy the ride!

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    Commuter Ogre

    Ogre in commuter mode: Alfine 8 Speed IGH, Schmidt SON dynamo hub, Supernova E3 light, and Big Apples.
    Porky but fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty_hd View Post
    Ogre in commuter mode: Alfine 8 Speed IGH, Schmidt SON dynamo hub, Supernova E3 light, and Big Apples.
    Porky but fun...
    That's a lot of tires!

    Is that Ogre a size 16, or "small"? You'd almost have to flip your stem to get your bars level with the saddle.

    Those bars are interesting. They're like a more subtle version of Surly Open Bars. Looks ergonomically similar, with less mass.

    You just need some fenders!

    How is your chainline with that un-dished cog on the rear and vertical non-turn washers in your track-ends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by happytobehere View Post
    This is my first ever post on MTBR . . . if this works for me, I'll provide details on the build.
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    Build Highlights:
    Front Hub-King ISO-Brown
    Rear Hub-King SS ISO-Brown
    BB-King
    Crankset-Surly Mr. Whirly
    Stem-Thomson
    Bars-Enve
    Rims-Stan's Arch EX
    Spokes/Nipples-DT Champion 2.0 Black/DT Alloy Black
    Tires-Kenda Small Black Eight
    Brakes-Avid BB7
    Questions?
    Seatpost-Thompson
    Hi, happytobehere.

    Looks like you went all-out with your build! Whoa, that's a luxurious steed! I use a King BB with my Whirly cranks as well, because the King BB came with a plastic tube that connects to the cups and sealed with o'rings that keeps road grime out, which Surly doesn't include.

    Does that thing weigh less than 30 lbs?

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    My new Ogre build

    SLX 3x10 groupset
    Avid BB7 brakeset
    SD7 levers
    Velocity Blunt rims (white) laced to XT hubs
    Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 35C, Continental Race King 2.2 tires
    Ritchey seatpost
    Bontrager XXX lite bar (5 degree bend)
    Portland Design Works leather grips
    FSA stem (ripped from my old kona hybrid)
    FSA Orbit headset (white)
    random matching green shin-killing pedals
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    surly ogre

    Quote Originally Posted by Trilancing View Post
    Does that thing weigh less than 30 lbs?
    I would certainly hope so. Mine stock with a 3x9 is 31lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackBandit View Post
    SLX 3x10 groupset
    Avid BB7 brakeset
    SD7 levers
    Velocity Blunt rims (white) laced to XT hubs
    Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 35C, Continental Race King 2.2 tires
    Ritchey seatpost
    Bontrager XXX lite bar (5 degree bend)
    Portland Design Works leather grips
    FSA stem (ripped from my old kona hybrid)
    FSA Orbit headset (white)
    random matching green shin-killing pedals
    Great looking build!

    . . . "shin-killing pedals" Wear those scars proudly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoismestas View Post
    Alright... So I'm being quartered here. Almost literally. I currently live in Fairbanks, Alaska but will be moving to Rock Island, Illinois (Quad Cities) in a month. I hear there are some single track trails around but nothing like the riding possibilites you'd find here in Alaska. I currently ride a Specialized Langster Seattle edition which has a sloping top tube and straight bars. I've used it as a commuter for the past 2 years probably 2 days a week during the summer and absolutely zero when it gets cold outside. I have posted my Toyota Tacoma for sale on craigslist and do not plan on purchasing another vehicle after I move so the bicycle I purchase will be my only mode of transportation. I want a bicycle that's comfortable to ride for short and long distances. Is relatively enjoyable. Can haul my camera equipment and groceries. Could tow a trailer (just a possibility). Handle any type of weather ie. snow and ice. And also take me off the road if I so choose. I was originally sold on a LHT and then navigated toward the ogre and then I discovered the Salsa Vaya.

    The bike will be 75% commuter while hauling light/moderate loads and the remaining time will be unloaded cruising around from bar to bar or wherever I so choose. I don't really see myself touring a great deal but I like the idea of being capable.

    I like the idea of having a mountain bike that does just fine on the road vs a road bike that can go off but doesn't really enjoy it a great deal.
    I have a Vaya and an Ogre. They are both fantastic bikes, and both would get the job done for what you want, but they are also quite different. Main difference of course (besides tire clearance) is the cockpit - the Ogre is a lot longer than the Vaya for a given size because it's designed for flat bar setups, and the Vaya for drops. You can run drops on an Ogre or flats on a Vaya (and I have) but it's not the ideal setup for the bike in my opinion.

    There is no doubt to me that the Ogre (and Troll) are quite likely the most versatile bike frames on the planet. You will feel a bit more sluggish on the road than on a Vaya, but not dramatically. For carrying trailers, cargo, and random stuff I find the flatbar setup offers more control - and for goofing around, it offers more fun. I use a Salsa Bend 2 bar, which has a nice 23 degree sweep, and it's awesome for cruising around the city and trails both.

    I would say unless you'd like to feel zippy on the road, the Ogre is going to be the best bet. It's a bike you can't regret because it just does everything. I found with the Vaya I was dreaming of more tire clearance, fork mounts, and the dedicated trailer mounts appealed to me. In other words - there were features I didn't have. With the Ogre, there (for all intents and purposes) aren't any features I'm missing.
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    Also: Heck yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    Also: Heck yeah.
    Looks like an adventure! Where do you keep your water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeitlupe View Post
    Great looking build!

    . . . "shin-killing pedals" Wear those scars proudly!
    Thanks! I'm really happy how it all came out. Slapping the 2.2's on today and hitting the trails until my legs fall off.

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    Prety

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    Looks like an adventure! Where do you keep your water?
    Yeah, thanks! Depending on the trip, either my 26L pack with 3L water bladder, 11L pack with 3L bladder, or stuff the bladder into the frame bag. I might trim the front lower racks so I can put bottles on the fork legs, not sure. If I didn't have to use the forward-most mounting holes I think I could put bottle cages there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    Also: Heck yeah.

    LostBoyScout - That is one beautiful all road touring machine! I am currently revamping my Ogre is a similar fashion for some touring and bikepacking this year.

    Question - What size tires are you running on those Salsa semi disc rims? I am waiting on a set to be built and am contiplating what size tires will work best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    Hey there, EatWorkRide,

    How is that gorgeous Zimbale bag treating you? I am looking into buying one, but I am not sure whether the 18l size isn't too cumbersome. Can you share your experience?

    Edit: Or is it the 11l bag?

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    Hey sea monster - Wow! sorry for the late reply. I have been hibernating all winter (I hate the cold).

    That is the 18L Zimbale. Awesome bag and have only used it a few times on longer rides. It doesnt feel cumbersome at all when riding but yes it is a little big. Would not work without a rack to support it. I like to carry alot sometimes so the size is good for me.

    I did just order an Arkel Tailrider (fyi check out Universal if ya want one ) to try out with a new rack setup to see if I like it better. If so, I may put the Zimbale on my cross bike or sell it.

    If you get the 11L please share how its working for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatWorkRide View Post
    Question - What size tires are you running on those Salsa semi disc rims? I am waiting on a set to be built and am contiplating what size tires will work best.
    Thanks! They are Marathon Mondials in 40c, but I bought them to shoehorn into my Vaya. If I was buying now, I'd go with a bigger size - probably the 28x1.75 or 28x2.00 Mondials (760g and 825g respectively).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    Thanks! They are Marathon Mondials in 40c, but I bought them to shoehorn into my Vaya. If I was buying now, I'd go with a bigger size - probably the 28x1.75 or 28x2.00 Mondials (760g and 825g respectively).

    Thanks for the reply! I have some 28x2.00 Dureme's I will put on the rims to try out once I get them.

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    Sorry for the late reply, its 26 pounds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trilancing View Post
    Hi, happytobehere.

    Looks like you went all-out with your build! Whoa, that's a luxurious steed! I use a King BB with my Whirly cranks as well, because the King BB came with a plastic tube that connects to the cups and sealed with o'rings that keeps road grime out, which Surly doesn't include.

    Does that thing weigh less than 30 lbs?
    Its 26 pounds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by happytobehere View Post
    Its 26 pounds!
    My 38 lb Ogre suddenly feels very fat.

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