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    the ogre is the best bicycle ever made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter006 View Post

    Finally "finished" a bike that I've been designing in my head for the last 3 years, but things have only come good in the last month or so for me to actually start doing this.
    "thoughtful" doesn't begin to describe this Ogre-for-the-ages. Well done. Can't wait to see where you tour on this setup.
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    another shot! i love this bike!


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny the boy View Post
    the ogre is the best bicycle ever made.
    /ipa thoughts.
    Is it bad that I ride my Ogre more than my expensive trail bike?

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    Hi Folks,

    please help me a little bit. I definitely wanna gor for the Ogre!!! I currently have an On One Inbred in XL 29" and it could be "bigger". I'm 6ft 3" and have an inseam of 95,0 cm. And I really don't know whether to go for a 22" or 24" frame.

    I know it's hard but what would you do? I consider building it up as an bikepacker Bike with Rohloff and 2.3 tires. It should do good on streets but also on the trail.

    Thank you all !!!

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    I've been in communication with the factory. They advise that at 6'8" with a 39" inside leg, the 24" would be 'OK for' me. You'd be advised to try both the 22" and 24".
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyLion View Post
    Hi Folks,

    please help me a little bit. I definitely wanna gor for the Ogre!!! I currently have an On One Inbred in XL 29" and it could be "bigger". I'm and have an inseam of 95,0 cm. And I really don't know whether to go for a 22" or 24" frame.
    I am in a somewhat similar situation as yours. I sold my On One Inbred 29 XL frame + the carbon fork (a build I had never finished), right after I tried Surly Karate Monkey (same geometry as Ogre) and realized its versatility and geometry advantages over Inbred for my purposes (and my body physique).

    I intend to build my Ogre as a light-use MTB bike, which can be easily and quickly transformed into a heavy duty expedition bike, when the need arises. I rode both (stock Inbred and stock KM) in XL, and even though the effective top tube is somewhat longer on Inbred, the KM geometry felt more comfortable and better suited for longer rides. Both bikes have relatively short wheelbase, but KM felt more stable - something I assign to its longer stem design (as opposed to Inbred). On the other hand, Inbred felt much more livelier and maneuverable on twisty trails. But the main difference (at least for me) was the more upright posture I experienced on KM. The front of the bike feels much higher than on Inbred (see the head tube difference). In no way I want to bash the Inbred. If I were looking for a pure off-roared made of steel, this bike would be my choice. But as a touring bike, the Ogre has much more going for it.

    I am also 6ft 3" tall with an inseam of 90 cm. The XL size (KM/Ogre) fits me like a glove. I have shorter arms though (my arms span is only 183 cm), so if your arms are anywhere near as long as your legs, you may feel more comfortable on the 24" frame.

    Good luck with your choice.

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    Hello Sea Monster,

    thank you very much for your Input! It is definitely helpful!!

    I absolutely agree with you, the Inbred is a very very good bike. I love it for it's versatility. I's good on trails but good as an "offroad- tourer" as well!

    But on the other side it's front is just too low for my needs and I'm currently running it with 60mm spacer, 110mm stem and 35mm rise + 30mm rise bar.

    From the end of the seat tube to the very top of my saddle it's 30cm ... so it could be "bigger".

    But I am concerned whether the stand over of the Ogre is too much for me (81cm inbred vs ~ 87cm Ogre). But since your inseam is 5cm less than mine and 24" fits you perfect I'm pretty much sure to got for it since my span (from index to index finger) is 192cm

    thanks so far ... I'm looking forward getting one

    best regards so far !!

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    Oh I still have one question ( I searched a lot but wasn't able to find any information!)

    why can I only mount a 160 mm Disc. What are the limiting factors? I mean an adaptor could easily home made to fit a 180mm (Rohloff - that's the reason I'm asking. I have a few of them in 180 lying around) Disc! Does it collide with the frame or is the mount not firm enough to handle the bigger leverage from running a 180mm disc?

    Please let me know. I'm interested in what's behind this limitation to 160mm

    thanks all

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyLion View Post
    ... and I'm currently running it with 60mm spacer, 110mm stem and 35mm rise + 30mm rise bar.

    But I am concerned whether the stand over of the Ogre is too much for me (81cm inbred vs ~ 87cm Ogre). But since your inseam is 5cm less than mine and 24" fits you perfect I'm pretty much sure to got for it since my span (from index to index finger) is 192cm
    Hold on! I test rode KM XL = 22" frame. The 24" frame is XXL. Nevertheless, if your 21" Inbred frame felt shortish even with the 110mm stem, then Ogre in XL (22") won't feel any longer, since the effective top tube is 8mm shorter. I rode the 21" Inbred with a 80mm stem and the 22" KM with a 110mm stem. And yes, it was more crowded around the jewels area on KM than on Inbred, but nothing uncomfortable. You will have over 6cm clearance on the 24" frame (more than I have on the 22" frame). That should suffice. Don't you have any possibility to sit on KM? They don't make them in 24", but you'd get a pretty good idea sitting on the 22" frame whether you need the XXL frame.

    I have no idea why the design allows only for 160mm disc brakes. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I weigh around 100 kg, and BB7 160mm disc brakes give me all the stopping power I need. I will run 160mm rear and 180mm front disc on my Ogre build.

    Good luck!
    Last edited by sea monster; 01-03-2013 at 08:02 AM.

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    Studded tires and fenders

    Has anyone tried studded tires and fenders on the Ogre? Photoes please
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    I'm going to try to ask this without beating a dead horse: I've read back and forth in this thread with people showing the Tubus Cargo rack installed with plenty of room. I called The Touring Store and he had me convinced it wouldn't work, he sounded very knowledgeable. Now I'm on the fence. I see pictures on here showing what I want, but I'm second guessing. Can anyone with direct experience with the Tubus Cargo or EVO chime in to quell my uncertainty?

    I even bought panniers ready to attach to the rack but decided to wait on the rack itself. I'd like to avoid the Nice Rack, not that weight is a huge issue, but the Tubus has a higher payload with a lighter frame. If it comes down to it I'll just go with Surly's.

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    I use the 26 Cargo and it works fine, although the loop brace does sandwich my 65mm fenders. Depending on the size tire you use, you may not be able to run fenders with the 26 Cargo. I'm sure the 700/29 Cargo will not give you any trouble. Even if it somehow did, you could use the extension brackets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvrdberger View Post
    Has anyone tried studded tires and fenders on the Ogre? Photoes please
    GIS is your friend. First result for "Surly Ogre." (Not my picture.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatWorkRide View Post
    Does this bag make my Ogre's butt look big?

    Added a Freeload rack and . Love it but will probably only use it for long rides. Still undecided on wether to leave it on all the time. And please excuse the cluttered garage.


    Hey there, EatWorkRide,

    How is that gorgeous Zimbale bag treating you? I am looking into buying one, but I am not sure whether the 18l size isn't too cumbersome. Can you share your experience?

    Edit: Or is it the 11l bag?

    Thanks
    Last edited by sea monster; 01-05-2013 at 06:54 PM.

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    Nice rack bag. What make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilroy A View Post
    Nice rack bag. What make?
    Carradice copycats Zimbale - Beyond your expectation !

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    Love the ogre!
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    i just dropped the bars/stem 20mm today and went and rode.
    wow is all i can say....i've gotten so used to high bars on my commuter bikes that i've assumed ever since i've had the ogre that high was the way to go, and set the stem at 60mm stack height and never looked back.
    this ride was incredible....the bike handled better, i was more comfortable, and i was actually able to lift the front end over obstacles in the road....
    lesson learned: just cause you can run 'em that high, doesn't mean you have to, or that it's better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny the boy View Post
    i just dropped the bars/stem 20mm today and went and rode.
    Perhaps you care to specify your original setup, so we know where from you dropped the bars (and to what)? Thanks
    Last edited by sea monster; 01-13-2013 at 06:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny the boy View Post
    i've gotten so used to high bars on my commuter bikes that i've assumed ever since i've had the ogre that high was the way to go, and set the stem at 60mm stack height and never looked back.
    there ya go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny the boy View Post
    i just dropped the bars/stem 20mm today and went and rode.
    wow is all i can say....i've gotten so used to high bars on my commuter bikes that i've assumed ever since i've had the ogre that high was the way to go, and set the stem at 60mm stack height and never looked back.
    this ride was incredible....the bike handled better, i was more comfortable, and i was actually able to lift the front end over obstacles in the road....
    lesson learned: just cause you can run 'em that high, doesn't mean you have to, or that it's better!
    I started off with 35mm spacers beneath the stem, one 5mm spacer above, flat bars with a 15 stem. When I switched to butterfly bars, I got a stem that was 10mm longer (110mm), 5 stem, and dropped it down to 20mm below the stem. The butterfly bars stretch me out a little too, which is nice for longer distances. Bike handles awesome provided I have enough front tire pressure (when I don't, it starts to dive in to corners). I probably could have gone an extra 10mm on the stem for length, but I think it's pretty damn close to perfect.

    It's definitely a bike that you want to leave the stem uncut for a while and muck around with the handlebar height.

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    Ogre Porn

    Of which there is a bit more on my blog (link in signature).
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    Nice dog. Yours?

    Which Brooks saddle is on your Ogre? I can't make it out.

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    Yeah, he's an eight-year-old lab mix we adopted a few months ago. Nice guy. His name is Duncan.

    That's a B17.

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