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    Most people lock out a suspension fork on a hill climb anyways, you would probably be faster on a downhill with a suspension fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    technique and endurance will get you up way more climbs than suspension will....

    try a strava climbing challenge,nothing like forcing yourself to climb to get that practice in...
    I hear you. I've done about 600 miles on singletrack this year between both of my rigids. I love the simplicity of putting the suspension in the tires.

    I went Pisgah National Forest In NC and did a demo on a Yeti SB4.5 Switch Infinity Suspension design. All I could say I was blown away on how strong the bike made me feel. All of Pisgah is climbing. This thing would launch forward every pedal stroke. I was saying to myself to the entire ride " this thing climbs". Bike Mag calls it an "expert climber". No need to lock anything out. I was simply blown away. No way I could of kept up with the crowd on the Surly or my Plus Bike. This bike was about 26 lbs 1 x 11 with 46 tooth bail out gear. Fox Foat 140mm up front and fox performance 114mm in the rear. Huge disparity in the front in the rear travel, but it works amazing. No bobbing at all when pedaling.

    Now, do I get to carry my growler, and flask.....NO. Does it look as cool...No

    Still don't think I could sell it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    I hear you loud and clear on the loss. I could remove my wheelset and add the stock new ones that came with the bike. That could save me a bit. Still don't think I could bring myself to sell it.

    I do have to disagree with you on the climbing. Just by cutting weight and trying out some different geometry you could improve on the climb. I'm starting to increase my speed on the downhill too. I would benefit from some squish there too. I just really like my Ogre for almost everything. Climbing still not terrible, but I could improve.
    besides,your ogre came out really sweet,its just kinda a terrible mountain bike...ok,ok,its not terrible,but it is more of a touring bike than a trail slayer...

    i get where you're coming from,i fell down the same rabbit hole and ended up with 5 bikes thinking a new bike would help me do "x" better or faster,or it would help me past whatever perceived limit i had in my riding,but every time it was really just a matter of focused practice...and every time it was a matter of breaking down a limit my own mind had placed on my riding...overcoming the physical limits is the easy part...
    so seriously,strava can be a huge distraction from riding,but it can also really help,the climbing challenges gave me a framework to push myself,cause lets face it,climbing is painful and often humbling,especially on the trails...nothing worse than being reduced to a hypoxic wreck on the verge of your heart exploding by some little 50 foot trail climb,or staring up a long road climb and feeling that dread in the pit of your stomach...
    my first everest challenge about killed me,but i finished it,and after that it was always in the back of my mind..i climbed everest,how hard can this hill really be? and slowly but surely i got better....conditioning helps,dont get me wrong,there is no substitute for that when it comes to climbing,but it was the mental breakthrough of knowing i could make the top that really allowed me to improve...the technique came later,and in a large part from riding with a stronger rider and watching what they did...

    anyway,sorry to get so long winded,i struggled with climbing for a long time...the hills i used to granny gear my way up im doing on a singlespeed now...

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    Hamsterspam, in your opinion besides have suspension on the Ogre...what would make it a better MTN bike
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    [QUOTE=Afun;12933033] I w I was simply blown away. No way I could of kept up with the crowd on the Surly or my Plus Bike. [QUOTE]

    That is key statement for me. I just can't relate to thinking a new fancy bike is the answer. My solution would be more riding, harder riding, cross training, etc... until I could keep up, then destroy, those folks on full suspension bikes. And boy does it feel good blow by folks on a steel rigid SS fat bike.

    Not saying you are wrong Afun but I've seen your Ogre and its sweet, not to mention this is the Surly forum. Sell the Pine Mountain. Ogre is your do it all and your new Pivot will be a singletrack specialist.

    So either way, new bike or not, blast those quads!

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    [QUOTE=Matterhorn;12933089][QUOTE=Afun;12933033] I w I was simply blown away. No way I could of kept up with the crowd on the Surly or my Plus Bike.

    That is key statement for me. I just can't relate to thinking a new fancy bike is the answer. My solution would be more riding, harder riding, cross training, etc... until I could keep up, then destroy, those folks on full suspension bikes. And boy does it feel good blow by folks on a steel rigid SS fat bike.

    Not saying you are wrong Afun but I've seen your Ogre and its sweet, not to mention this is the Surly forum. Sell the Pine Mountain. Ogre is your do it all and your new Pivot will be a singletrack specialist.

    So either way, new bike or not, blast those quads!
    Lol....I caught that " new pivot ".

    Yeah Marin will go before Ogre for sure. The plus platform is still very cool and much fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    Hamsterspam, in your opinion besides have suspension on the Ogre...what would make it a better MTN bike
    lol,being a karate monkey instead!! or an ecr!!!
    its the frame,its too stiff to be good off road unless its loaded,throw 30-40 pounds of gear on an ogre and it rides totally differently...but otherwise its a blunt instrument when you want a scalpel....i love my ogre,ridden thousands of miles on it,but i would rather ride trail on the straggler if it came down to it...if i was going to ride to alaska the ogre would be my first pick absolutely,for a sesh on the trails,not so much...hauling a trailer and tools to work on a trail,you bet...trying to pr the same trail,uh uh...

    me,i would say ride the pine mountain on the trails for 6 months,then get the pivot...hone your skills on a rigid bike first,then get the squish....learn to go slow to get fast...

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    [QUOTE=Afun;12933113][QUOTE=Matterhorn;12933089]
    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    I w I was simply blown away. No way I could of kept up with the crowd on the Surly or my Plus Bike.

    Lol....I caught that " new pivot ".

    Yeah Marin will go before Ogre for sure. The plus platform is still very cool and much fun.
    Oh you are getting a new bike I have no doubt. How about a 27.5+ full suspension? With that and a Ogre, only 2 bikes, both you and the wife can be happy. No?

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    [QUOTE=Matterhorn;12933129][QUOTE=Afun;12933113]
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post

    Oh you are getting a new bike I have no doubt. How about a 27.5+ full suspension? With that and a Ogre, only 2 bikes, both you and the wife can be happy. No?
    27.5 plus dual suspension...I think the only one in existence is the Salsa Pony Rustler and it sounds like it's heavy and it's not a Pivot you guys....a Yeti! LoL
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    [QUOTE=Afun;12933141][QUOTE=Matterhorn;12933129]
    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post

    27.5 plus dual suspension...I think the only one in existence is the Salsa Pony Rustler and it sounds like it's heavy and it's not a Pivot you guys....a Yeti! LoL
    Ooops, Yeti not Pivot.

    I haven't look for such a contraption but I'd bet there are other 27.5+ full suspension bikes out there. Niner has a couple at least.

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    Afun, your Ogre is a work of art. I think you'd regret selling it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassa89 View Post
    Afun, your Ogre is a work of art. I think you'd regret selling it.
    I know I would regret it. Thanks
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    i was asked for build specs on my ogre...

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    xxl ogre frame/fork
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    i will be replacing the seatpost and stem with silver versions from dimension and whenever the surly et 29x2.5 tires come out i will grab a set and get a surly 8 pack rack for the front..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB29erCurt View Post
    The wife gave me the O.K to get a new set of Big Apple 29X2.35 tires. Also gave the O.K for the Surly 24 pack rack and the Surly Porteur House Bag. Ordered the tires thru Tree Fort Bikes, $35 each. Went by my LBS this past Saturday to order the rack and bag. Got lucky and got 10% off on those two items. Should have everything on Wednesday or Thursday. I'll post picks once I get everything installed.
    Looking forward to it!

    On another note, is there any chance an updated ogre would lack suspension correction (as the new troll)? I'm not that savvy on bike geometry, I was kind of hoping for a bit more triangle space, which the troll seems to have so much more of. ~D

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    From what I have read and heard from speaking to a guy I know, it looks like the Ogre will get the knot boost rear spacing, will maybe have a little more clearance for 650B+ tires and will be non-suspension corrected in "Sepia Brown."

    I am personally interested to see the complete bike offerings and whether we might see a complete 650B+ bike, or a 29er with Extraterrestrial Tires. I am also keen to see if they continue on with the Jones bar or whether they go with a Moloko Bar on complete builds.

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    Sounds smart, if you want a suspension mtb tourer you should get the KM and if you want a non suspension mtb tourer then you should get the Ogre...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDKL45 View Post
    From what I have read and heard from speaking to a guy I know, it looks like the Ogre will get the knot boost rear spacing, will maybe have a little more clearance for 650B+ tires and will be non-suspension corrected in "Sepia Brown."
    It looks that way to me too. Big triangle!

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    im just not sure about this whole "knot boost" idea...is it really such a good thing to have customers bending their frames? it sounds like a recipe for a bunch of pissed off people with misaligned frames...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    im just not sure about this whole "knot boost" idea...is it really such a good thing to have customers bending their frames? it sounds like a recipe for a bunch of pissed off people with misaligned frames...
    I mean from 148 to 145 iťs just 1,5 mm at each side. It really isn't that much bending...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonorum View Post
    I mean from 148 to 145 iťs just 1,5 mm at each side. It really isn't that much bending...
    yeah,i get that,and know a steel frame can flex that much or more while riding it,just seems like something that could cause as many problems as its supposed to solve...

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    The Cross Check has done it for years without incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassa89 View Post
    The Cross Check has done it for years without incident.
    Yeah and if I remember correctly that bends 2,5 mm per side. It doesn't feel like iťs anything to worry about.

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    as much as i would love a new bike,and certainly wouldnt dismiss the possibility of getting another frame at some point,im happy with the current fleet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonorum View Post
    Yeah and if I remember correctly that bends 2,5 mm per side. It doesn't feel like iťs anything to worry about.
    I agree that it's probably nothing to worry about, but hamsterspam does make a good point and I have also personally questioned the wisdom of it. It's a pretty bold move on Surly's part to offer a frame that is designed to be bent, even by just 1.5 mm on each side. I don't know if any other non-custom/hand built brands would be willing to do the same.

    That said, I think it's actually a pretty cool move. On a certain level it signals trust in the customer and a refreshing willingness on the part of a company to allow the end user to modify their product as the user sees fit.

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    It doesn't actually 'bend' (cold set) the tubes, it just 'flexes' enough over the stays length to allow different axle lengths... Ran both Mtb & road hubs on my Crosscheck no issues.

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    i will hopefully get a chance to see the new ogre in person today....

    so after doing some more reading on the knot-boost thing let me see if i have this right..
    so i guess the frame comes at the boost width and if you want to use a narrower hub there are dropout adapters? is that right? in that case no bending/flexing would be required?

    if so i guess my only objection would be surlys notorious inability to deliver small parts in a timely fashion...

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    The knotboost frame spacing is 145mm at the rear dropouts. You can flex it outwards 3mm for boost spacing or flex it inwards by 3mm for 142mm through axle spacing. There are also two spacing washers for running 135mm QR hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDKL45 View Post
    From what I have read and heard from speaking to a guy I know, it looks like the Ogre will get the knot boost rear spacing, will maybe have a little more clearance for 650B+ tires and will be non-suspension corrected in "Sepia Brown."...
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    It looks that way to me too. Big triangle!
    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    i will hopefully get a chance to see the new ogre in person today....
    Wo, wo, what? So is this confirmed? If so, I know what my next frame purchase will be, despite the stupid gnot-boost rear end.

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    I'm not really in a position to confirm anything but it seems a little patience just might be the right choice.

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    mine eyes have beheld the glory that is the new ogre...

    if i didnt already have an ogre i think i would be salivating at the prospect of getting one...or if i were to suddenly have the time/money to ride to alaska or something grandiose like that,or say a jaunt on the divide trail...

    two good ride reports from two different riders....good looking,albeit very brown bike,lots of interesting bits and bobs...
    i must admit,my new bike gland has activated again after seeing the ogrev2 and the purple karate monkey in person....

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    Any pics?!?!?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassa89 View Post
    Any pics?!?!?!?!?
    yes but no,i was asked to not put them up or discuss in any great detail what i saw,nor can i give any possible date for them to show up,the rider simply had no idea about any specs or any details whatsoever....

    all i can say about it is it was muddy and well ridden and nothing but praise was lavished on it,sounds like its a more capable off pavement bike than the V1 ogre...bigger main triangle for sure,otherwise all the same ogre/troll dropout stuff was there,the same compliment of bottle cage braze ons,rack mounts,fender mounts and what have you,ample tire clearance....
    looks good,however brown it may be!

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    Sort of as everyone expected when the Troll was updated the Ogre seems to be on a similar path.

    If a person can handle 29+ and has a distrust of GnotBoost then an ECR is a still a good option.
    If B+/29er is your preferred wheel size and you don't mind GnotBoost (and what may still be a long wait--who knows?) then I'd get Ogre V2 (if it is indeed released).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    ...If a person can handle 29+ and has a distrust of GnotBoost then an ECR is a still a good option.
    If B+/29er is your preferred wheel size and you don't mind GnotBoost (and what may still be a long wait--who knows?) then I'd get Ogre V2 (if it is indeed released).
    That's the only thing that gets me. GB rear end. Hopefully it won't be as big of a deal as I'm making it out to be in my head. I just know Cross Check's drop outs bugged me quite a bit. If I do get one, I may have to look into cold setting it.

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    Are the new Trolls out and about yet? Maybe those folks would have some insight. From my limited understanding it seems the dropouts will function much like the Troll/Ogre/ECR dropouts always have. Probably bigger in your head.

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    my impression was there was a 135mm rear hub but i didnt really take a close look...

    but yeah,i kinda wondered about that and the gnotboost...i guess with a 142mm hub and thru axle it will be fairly straightforward to get the wheel out but wonder if it will be extra tough to get a 148 free...i get its about options and all but it seems like surly has previously found a way to make standard parts work,whatever standard means these days...i like the fact i have wheelsets that would work on 4 of my 5 surly frames..

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    New version Ogre sounds interesting & looking forward to seeing it. As to changing my original for one? It would need to be VERY good indeed

    I don't get around to riding mine off road enough but whenever I do, it always makes me happy

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    Recently did a strip down, wax & rebuild as a 1x10. Back to straight bars but missing the Jones bars somewhat...

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    I like my Ogre so much that I've decided to re-purpose money I've been setting aside for a 29+ Pugs build to buy a new wheelset and disc brakes for my Ogre. While I know I can't fit 29+, I'd like to go as big as possible. My initial thoughts are rabbit holes laced to shimano hubs with maxxis ardent 2.4" tires, but I'm curious what rim/hub/tire options you would go with if you were building? While I'm sure I'll hear about more expensive hub options, I really like shimano for the money. Hard to beat their price for the quality you get.
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    i suppose that would depend on what your going to do with it...
    currently i have my ogre set up as my townie errand bike on rabbit hole rims with schwalbe big apple 2.35 tires.in that mode,running an alfine8 rear hub theres plenty of space for the rim/tire but if it was a gear cluster/derailleur it would be too far back in the drops to shift well i think.
    but a velocity blunt35 works quite well with an ardent 2.4,i ran mine with an ardent in the rear and a chronicle 29x3 up front and that was quite nice as it tamed the fork down a bit and sucked up the chatter well...however,a 35mm rim is just a tad too narrow to give good sidewall support to a true 3 inch tire i felt,it would fold a bit if the pressure was low enough for good traction...

    a panaracer fatBnimble 29x3 will fit the rear and still be workable with the derailleur and is a better fit up front as well since its narrower than a chronicle or knard so im betting a set of dirt wizards would work front and rear too...

    i currently have wtb trail boss 2.4s on my km,i have to say so far i like them better than the ardents as they seem to be higher volume on a blunt35 and it fits perfectly with a set of monkey nuts to space the wheel so the same should be true of the ogre and it should be enough space to run 2x10 if you want...

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    Thanks for the input, hamster! It will be an off road set up more than a paved road bike. In your opinion, would dirt wizards or the fat b nimbles work well with velocity blunt35 rims?
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    yes,they should both work with a blunt 35,the fatB has really thin sidewalls in the 120tpi casing and my dirt wizard wore out in about 300 miles but i have to ride pavement to get to the trails...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    yes but no,i was asked to not put them up or discuss in any great detail what i saw,nor can i give any possible date for them to show up,the rider simply had no idea about any specs or any details whatsoever....

    all i can say about it is it was muddy and well ridden and nothing but praise was lavished on it,sounds like its a more capable off pavement bike than the V1 ogre...bigger main triangle for sure,otherwise all the same ogre/troll dropout stuff was there,the same compliment of bottle cage braze ons,rack mounts,fender mounts and what have you,ample tire clearance....
    looks good,however brown it may be!
    Man, I sure wish I could figure when the new Ogre will be announced/available. Thinking hard about picking up the new 27.5+ KM for the upcoming spring, but what I am really hoping for is a proper clearance 27.5+ Ogre w/ all the expected braze-ons and possibilities and Jones bars. That sure would be neat!

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    When is Frost Bike? Check the dates on that then go from there.

    Can't guess when they'll be available but when they are it will be worth the wait if you want a 27.5+ Ogre with all the braze-ons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    When is Frost Bike? Check the dates on that then go from there.

    Can't guess when they'll be available but when they are it will be worth the wait if you want a 27.5+ Ogre with all the braze-ons.
    I haven't been following this issue closely but if a 27.5+ Ogre is expected to be unveiled soon, is a 27.5 ET tire also expected? It seems Surly is really embracing 27.5 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corwin1968 View Post
    I haven't been following this issue closely but if a 27.5+ Ogre is expected to be unveiled soon, is a 27.5 ET tire also expected? It seems Surly is really embracing 27.5 now.
    The 29 x 2.5 model will be out beginning of next month according to Surly. I noticed on a post on their Facebook page that someone asked about a 27.5 ET and they said it wasn't in the works at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    The 29 x 2.5 model will be out beginning of next month according to Surly. I noticed on a post on their Facebook page that someone asked about a 27.5 ET and they said it wasn't in the works at this time.
    I didn't realize the 29" model wasn't out yet. I've been thinking about picking up a pair for my 1st gen Karate Monkey but I'm not 100% sure they will fit.

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    i cant wait to see what the et's look like on a rabbit hole...

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    surly 8 pack rack and a wald basket for the ogre

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
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    Rabbit Hole / Big Apple combo looks great! Is there clearance for a rear fender? I run 2.0 Big Apples on my Ogre and would like to go fatter, though full fenders are a must in the northwest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slopvehicle View Post
    Rabbit Hole / Big Apple combo looks great! Is there clearance for a rear fender? I run 2.0 Big Apples on my Ogre and would like to go fatter, though full fenders are a must in the northwest.
    I run Big Apple 2.35 with Planted Bike 65mm fenders, no problems here. I do have monkey nuts which moves your rear wheel out about a 1/2 inch.
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    Looks great, thanks for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slopvehicle View Post
    Looks great, thanks for the info!
    Tried to leave you Reputation back but it's not letting me for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    i cant wait to see what the et's look like on a rabbit hole...
    Ditto. Has anyone tried this yet? I have a dream of ETs + Rabbit Holes for my Ogre, but don't want to drop the $$ if it won't work.

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    Why wouldn't it work? If it doesn't I might have to admit defeat and buy a purple Karate Monkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by ETChipotle View Post
    Why wouldn't it work? If it doesn't I might have to admit defeat and buy a purple Karate Monkey
    I heard speculation that they may get be a hair too wide on RH's, but on paper I can't see why it wouldn't work. If It works, I'm pretty sure all my dreams have come true (specially if I can make it happen with my 3x drivetrain)

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    Hi everyone! Long time listener, first time caller. ET's totally work on Rabbit Holes. I put them in with tubes a few days ago to check for clearance and just set them up tubeless (split tube) this morning. With a set of Monkey Nuts I had no issues either way. Couldn't be happier with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyconoclast View Post
    Hi everyone! Long time listener, first time caller. ET's totally work on Rabbit Holes. I put them in with tubes a few days ago to check for clearance and just set them up tubeless (split tube) this morning. With a set of Monkey Nuts I had no issues either way. Couldn't be happier with them.
    My hero! Sounds like a trip to the LBS may be in order.

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    Just got back from the LBS, setting up the rear ExtraTerrestrial tubeless on Green RH. It fits on an a way old generation KM if you push back in the horizontal slots a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ETChipotle View Post
    Just got back from the LBS, setting up the rear ExtraTerrestrial tubeless on Green RH. It fits on an a way old generation KM if you push back in the horizontal slots a little bit.
    Just put in a order for a pair and a set of Monkey Nuts. Going on a set of Krampus take-offs I picked up from a friend. LBS said they should be here by the weekend.

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    Nobody is excited about the new Ogre. Really?

    I rode one a few months back and it seemed great. The one I rode had Scrapers and 27.5 Rangers.

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    A photo. The Sepia Brown looks quite nice in person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    Nobody is excited about the new Ogre. Really?

    I rode one a few months back and it seemed great. The one I rode had Scrapers and 27.5 Rangers.
    I think most of us haven't seen the specs on the new Ogre. Hopefully by the end of the weekend. This is the first photo I've seen and it looks much smaller than I would ride. A medium or large could be a feasible replacement for my 1st gen Karate Monkey.

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    So much for there being "more room for a frame bag"... at least not in whatever size they're showing us here.

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    The XL that I rode did have more frame space than Ogre V1. While we haven't seen the spec sheet its safe to assume that the Ogre went through the same redesign as the Troll.

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    Rear drops - looks like Bob's Nutz option gone. Understandable as they have their own trailers but I have a Yak - shame as the new chainstay-BB design & fork are sweet!

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    Still waiting for updates on the ECR. Nothing about the Ogre updates makes me want another (riding the current version now, and it's my favorite bike ever)

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    So a 1 x 11 still with a Microshift on the Ogre ? Anybody?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    So a 1 x 11 still with a Microshift on the Ogre ? Anybody?

    Not sure about that. Microshift is nice though. I just went back to 2x10 on my ECR so I could have the joy of nudging the lever.

    Didn't you just buy the Yeti? Ogre not for sale? What happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    Not sure about that. Microshift is nice though. I just went back to 2x10 on my ECR so I could have the joy of nudging the lever.

    Didn't you just buy the Yeti? Ogre not for sale? What happened?

    Oh yeah the Yeti....



    Well it's not for me...I also need the cash.

    I'm into all these rigid rides. My trails are awesome for the two bikes I already had. They got so much style too

    The Ogre is getting the Jones loop again
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    Quote Originally Posted by subversion View Post
    Rear drops - looks like Bob's Nutz option gone.
    Um - on the blog post it looks like M10 hole is still there... Musta been the way the dropout was cropped in that first image - or these glasses need replacing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    Oh yeah the Yeti....

    Well it's not for me...I also need the cash.

    I'm into all these rigid rides. My trails are awesome for the two bikes I already had. They got so much style too

    The Ogre is getting the Jones loop again
    Glad to hear it. Thought you'd lost it for sure selling that Ogre. I almost asked for the Ochre Brooks!

    Rigid is the way to go, keep going.

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    I do appreciate that they've lengthened the stays 10mm for better pannier clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    Glad to hear it. Thought you'd lost it for sure selling that Ogre. I almost asked for the Ochre Brooks!

    Rigid is the way to go, keep going.

    Gone back to flats and Jones Loop. Urban Assault today hitting greenways, hitting curbs, and some stair action too. Total blast. Got to fill the growler with beer too.

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    Currently rebuilding up my Ogre as a triple 3x10. I was on a Nuvinci but just wanted to get a larger gear range for some touring this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    Gone back to flats and Jones Loop. Urban Assault today hitting greenways, hitting curbs, and some stair action too. Total blast. Got to fill the growler with beer too.

    Notice I deleted the Yeti photo when I quoted you last time? Not this time. Even the yellow Maxxis looks good, well aligned with the valves. Nice all over yet still capable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    So a 1 x 11 still with a Microshift on the Ogre ? Anybody?
    I got introduced to the Microshift 2x10 on my ICT Ops, and like it, still running 1x10 with it. I was looking for the 1x11 version for my Ogre but don't seem to find it anywhere without paying for the pair. LBS doesn't recommend it, I think for durability reasons, not sure about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    Notice I deleted the Yeti photo when I quoted you last time? Not this time. Even the yellow Maxxis looks good, well aligned with the valves. Nice all over yet still capable.
    The bike just feels solid all the way around. On flowing singletrack it's awesome. My posture on the bike is spot on. When someone gets on my Ogre first thing they is how comfortable it is. Then they stand back and just stare at it....No Suspension!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ETChipotle View Post
    I got introduced to the Microshift 2x10 on my ICT Ops, and like it, still running 1x10 with it. I was looking for the 1x11 version for my Ogre but don't seem to find it anywhere without paying for the pair. LBS doesn't recommend it, I think for durability reasons, not sure about this
    Interesting, so Microshift on a 1 x 11 or eagle we have possible concerns with durability.
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    made a couple of mods to the ogre...

    8 pack rack and wald basket...
    the original alex adventurer rims laced to xt hubs with nano 2.1's
    kickdown 2x10 with absolute black 36/28 tooth oval chainrings

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    Here's my new Ogre

    Hello everybody,

    finally I have built my Ogre. I read a lot this forum which was a great help to me.
    So I want tell many thanks to all of you and leave a few pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    So a 1 x 11 still with a Microshift on the Ogre ? Anybody?
    The only right side shifters I can find on Q for microshift are for the 10 speed and the Alfine/Nexus shifter. And I do not see anyone else selling just a single, I imagine microshift will at some point sell the single like they do for 10 speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pink57 View Post
    The only right side shifters I can find on Q for microshift are for the 10 speed and the Alfine/Nexus shifter. And I do not see anyone else selling just a single, I imagine microshift will at some point sell the single like they do for 10 speed.
    Here's single shifters from Box, Shimano, Sram and SunRace.

    https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...p?category=164
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Here's single shifters from Box, Shimano, Sram and SunRace.

    https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...p?category=164
    I think he is specifically looking for an 11 speed thumb shifter not a pod from micro.
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    New Ogre looks pretty good with some B+ sneakers (and some musings on various plus options in general, courtesy of Cass G.):

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    So are all the Surly logos suppose to peel off with time? This way when someone asks you about the logos and what kind of bike you have you could say.....logos aren't cool man! It's a Surly, no logos needed.

    Honestly the stickers that they are using are worthless. I think Elmers Glue could possibly work better applied by a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    Honestly the stickers that they are using are worthless. I think Elmers Glue could possibly work better applied by a child.
    Yeah, the decals are not under any kind of clearcoat... some people like to de-brand their bikes to deter theft (which is largely useless in my experience) or they simply don't like the logos. I've seen posts in bike forums complaining about how "crude" the font is (Surly: Not Just for Cool People).

    My Ogre's logos started to flake this winter. They don't seem as durable as the decals on my older Surlys, but then again neither does the "tannish grey" powdercoat. Anyway, decals are the last of my worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slopvehicle View Post
    Yeah, the decals are not under any kind of clearcoat... some people like to de-brand their bikes to deter theft (which is largely useless in my experience) or they simply don't like the logos. I've seen posts in bike forums complaining about how "crude" the font is (Surly: Not Just for Cool People).

    My Ogre's logos started to flake this winter. They don't seem as durable as the decals on my older Surlys, but then again neither does the "tannish grey" powdercoat. Anyway, decals are the last of my worries.

    Talking about logos on a Surly forum, is like talking about Craft Beer at a AA meeting...Boom
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    got my rabbit hole rim back today,and got the surly et tires all mounted up,new ergon biocork grips...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    got my rabbit hole rim back today,and got the surly et tires all mounted up,new ergon biocork grips...
    No room for a front derailleur?

    I just put ETs on my Ogre last week, running them on 24mm OD rims so they're likely not as wide as they'd be on a 50mm rabbit hole. Still, had clearance issues with my FD (triple), though I'm dealing with a very stubbornly corroded set of limit screws at the moment. Might be able to squeeze an extra 2mm of clearance out of it. For the meantime. I just pushed my wheel a little further back in the dropouts.

    Anyhow I need to build a wider set of wheels. Trying to suss out if ETs + fenders + FD is possible with Rabbit Holes or if I'd need to look at something a little narrower like the Velocity Blunt in 35mm...

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    maybe,but i so rarely need to shift off the 36 tooth ring i just do it as a kick-down 2x10...plus im not sure if you can shift from oval to oval...

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    Added the 2017 XL Ogre to my Geo chart for big bikes. It isn't as big as the older gen's XXL. Basically lost 10mm off the stack. Could be worse.
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    I cut a portion of the front derailleur off to fit ET's with out using monkey nuts. Name:  IMG_20170302_194735.jpg
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    I'm on the point of pre-ordering a 2017 Ogre frame. I like that ii is non-suspension corrected as I prefer rigid forks. I also like the gnot rear end as it may give me more choice if I'm replacing the wheels in five years time.

    I am agonising over the size. I'm 6'1" and both the Surly size guide and almost every size related post on this thread puts me on a LG large. However, I'm 90% certain I'm going to go for a MD medium size.

    My reasoning is;
    I will be using flat bars and bar ends rather than swept back bars.
    The standover height of 824.5mm seems quite high to someone with a pbh of about 890mm - I want an off-road bike I can tour on rather than a tourer I can off-road on.
    My three comfiest bikes all have an ETT + Stem length of 675mm. (all 3 are On-One / Planet X).

    This last point is very important to my comfort. According to the geo chart I could achieve 675mm with a LG + 60mm stem or a MD + 80mm stem. As much as I like the stem to be as short as possible, a MD would give me the option of 60mm or 100mm stems if I've got my calculations wrong.

    The complication is that the way that Surly measures Effective Top Tube is slightly differently than the way On-One / Planet X measure it. OO/PX measure to a vertical line from the top of the seat tube whereas Surly measure to a virtual line continuing upwards from the seat tube at the angle of the seat tube.
    This means that for the same quoted Effective Top Tube horizontal measurement, the Surly frame will actually be smaller than the OO/PX frame.

    Apologies for the rambling post. My question is, does anyone know how much this will affect the relative size of the Ogre vs OO/PX bikes.

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    Ogre Geometry

    This is attempt to show the discrepancy between the Surly ETT and the OO/PX ETT.
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    Since you know the seat tube length, angle and the stack of the OO/PX you should be able to do a bit of trig to figure out the standard ETT measurement. I'll give it a shot and edit it in.

    EDIT: Which OO/PX are you talking about? I was only able to find two Ti models. Strangely, the geo diagrams of the two are different, and one indicated that they measure the ETT the standard way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asollie View Post
    Since you know the seat tube length, angle and the stack of the OO/PX you should be able to do a bit of trig to figure out the standard ETT measurement. I'll give it a shot and edit it in.

    EDIT: Which OO/PX are you talking about? I was only able to find two Ti models. Strangely, the geo diagrams of the two are different, and one indicated that they measure the ETT the standard way.

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    hi asollie, thanks for the response. It could be just an error in diagram that OO/PX use. The bikes I am comfy on are below. I appreciate that there are a lot of other factors involved but, for me, getting the reach right is key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sstiletto View Post
    hi asollie, thanks for the response. It could be just an error in diagram that OO/PX use. The bikes I am comfy on are below. I appreciate that there are a lot of other factors involved but, for me, getting the reach right is key.
    I asked On-One/Planet X Customer Service about the discrepancy and received the following;

    "The photos used in the geometry table are for illustration purposes only and don't differ to other manufacturers measurements.

    It's confusing I know, but for example, the effective top tube length would always be measured in the same way
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    I guess I'm safe to compare side by side measurements and choose a Surly frame that closely matches my OO/PX bikes.

    I've pre-ordered an MD frame and forks. Should be here end of May.

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    Looks like the new fork for the Krampus might be compatible with the 2015 Ogre, but a bit pricey at $185 to lose the v brake dooley bobbers and go through axle

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    a pack of hacksaw blades is pretty cheap too....

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