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    Will the rear brake placement on the new Surly Straggler restrict rear rack options to a few of those expensive Tubus models? Or are there other less expensive options (even if not as apocalypse robust)?

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    OMM Sherpa? Though not exactly cheaper hah.

    Old Man Mountain Rear Pannier Racks Fit Most Any Bike

    Surprised Surly didn't go wih the between stay mount position that's become so popular.

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    Just a couple I know of that have disc specific accommodations. I like the axiom idea of being able to adjust height and rearward offset. It seems like a nice idea. I have the Bontrager Deluxe rack that does not have a disc option on my Troll and it has proven in the short term to be a solid rack. There are plenty of affordable rear racks that accommodate disc brakes. It just depends on the level of rack you need for your planned use. Assess your needs and choose accordingly.

    Bontrager Backrack Disc - has standoffs that push the rack stays out
    Bontrager: Products > Accessories > Racks

    Axiom Journey Uni-Fit series (cromo or AL) - has adjustable extensions to move the rack back and up or down
    Journey Uni-Fit Series « Racks « Products « Axiom Performance Gear

    Axiom Streamline series - same as Journey Uni-fit mounts, but narrower top platform
    Streamliner Series « Racks « Products « Axiom Performance Gear

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    Topeak MTX Disc series - has standoffs that push the rack stays out
    Topeak® Cycling Accessories ? Products - Racks > Tubular Racks MTX Disc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenanigans View Post
    OMM Sherpa? Though not exactly cheaper hah.

    Old Man Mountain Rear Pannier Racks Fit Most Any Bike

    Surprised Surly didn't go wih the between stay mount position that's become so popular.
    Crap the bed, those OMM racks are as or more expensive than the Tubus ones.

    A $50 blackburn-type rack would be plenty Good Enough (TM) for my purposes, but the rear disc mounting position would seem to preclude such models.

    Ok, I get the need for the rear disc mount position in terms of the Straggler's new-fangled rear dropouts. But it seems they could have sharpened their pencils a bit more to come up with a better solution. Heck, even I can imagine how those dropouts could be designed to work flipped the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle01 View Post
    Just a couple I know of that have disc specific accommodations. I like the axiom idea of being able to adjust height and rearward offset. It seems like a nice idea. I have the Bontrager Deluxe rack that does not have a disc option on my Troll and it has proven in the short term to be a solid rack. There are plenty of affordable rear racks that accommodate disc brakes. It just depends on the level of rack you need for your planned use.
    The Troll is no prob for any rear rack, because the disc brake is mounted forward of the axle. The issue with the Straggler is that the disk brake is mounted above the rear axle, on the back of the seat stay. In this position, it interferes with the struts of your normal everyday type of rear rack.

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    vitaly66, that's why I listed four+ other racks that are disc mount specific. I just gave my personal experience on a similar Bontrager rack for quality. Look at the other racks. They will work with the Straggler's disc configuration. And, they can be found for under $50 except the cromo versions of the Axioms. I'll go back and update my posting with links to the manufactures so you can look at those.

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    Thx Turtle. Those Axiom racks do look workable, and price is decent.

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    I think the Axiom racks are a great option. They give a great amount of information there on the site as well. They have the video that describes the mounts and they have a pdf on the side for all the dimensions. Oh, didn't see it mentioned, but those mount plates seem to have fender holes on the rearward portion, pretty good thinking. If I didn't already have my two Bontrager racks I'd be looking at the Axioms for an affordable option.

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    Racktime Add-it...a friend has one her Vaya, so it clears disc brakes. Very similar to Tubus Logo Evo.

    *sorry this wont work, I didn't realize the mounts are on the seat stay.
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    Singlefin, the Racktime Add-it will not fit on the Straggler. Vaya has the caliper mount on the chainstay while the Straggler's is on the seatstay putting the it in the way of the racks vertical mount. To bad Surly didn't just stick with the Troll/Ogre dropouts. Guess they wanted to keep it Crosscheck'ish/road'ish.

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    I've run the Topeak MTX Disc for about five years now, on two different bikes, and sometimes under pretty heavy loads. I've never had a problem with mine. I also like the MTX system; it allows you to just slide on the matching bags and such and have them click into place pretty securely. I've got the trunk bag with fold-down planners. It's treated me well so far.

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    Take a closer look at the seat stays. The mount point for the rack is above the disc mount. I don't see why any rack wouldn't work.

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    Edit with a better picture. From the drive side, but you can see that disc caliper clearance is not going to be an issue.

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    Thx for pointing out those extra braze-ons, jcaino. Any rear rack should be a breeze.

    Apologies for the earlier crit of surly designer folk, their pencils look to be pretty sharp after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle01 View Post
    Singlefin, the Racktime Add-it will not fit on the Straggler. Vaya has the caliper mount on the chainstay while the Straggler's is on the seatstay putting the it in the way of the racks vertical mount. To bad Surly didn't just stick with the Troll/Ogre dropouts. Guess they wanted to keep it Crosscheck'ish/road'ish.
    Good looking out. I edited my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlefin View Post
    Good looking out. I edited my post.
    Actually, that rack will work just fine. Look at pictures.
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    Continuing to muse about this, I do see a couple potential issues with those extra rack braze-ons:

    * higher center of gravity for load, as rack will be raised about 3" (good for tire/mud clearance though)

    * possibly a little less heel clearance for any rear panniers, as rack mounting point will be forward of rear axle about 1"

    Both of these issues can probably be covered by the "deal with it" policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post

    Both of these issues can probably be covered by the "deal with it" policy.
    Or get an OMM rack and mount it to the QR or the lower braze ons at the back of the drop outs.

    I've been using OMM racks for over 10yrs and my first rack is still going strong. Not the cheapest option, but they are made in the US, work great and will fit just about any bike you want to put them on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I've been using OMM racks for over 10yrs and my first rack is still going strong. Not the cheapest option, but they are made in the US, work great and will fit just about any bike you want to put them on.
    I can say I have a couple of blackburn racks running just fine on my road bikes for over 30 years now.

    Anyway, no way I'm ever gonna spend $150+ for a rack. Glad you are happy with yours, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    Continuing to muse about this, I do see a couple potential issues with those extra rack braze-ons:

    * higher center of gravity for load, as rack will be raised about 3" (good for tire/mud clearance though)

    * possibly a little less heel clearance for any rear panniers, as rack mounting point will be forward of rear axle about 1"

    Both of these issues can probably be covered by the "deal with it" policy.
    I wonder with the rise of disc brakes if these higher mounts will mean shorter racks in the future, putting the rack to about the same height it would have been on a standard rack mount.
    Any entrepeneurs this might be something worth looking into.

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    Holy smokes, I didn't notice the mounts that high. That actually kinda sucks. The Axiom Journey Adjustable 2429 (Journey Adjustable 2429 « Journey Series « Racks « Products « Axiom Performance Gear), or any other height adjustable rack, seems to be the way to go. Sorry for not noticing that earlier with my suggestions. Heel clearance may be an issue with any rack that can be fit of course with the mounts being forward of normal.

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    Karate Monkey owners have had to deal with same braze on's for years. I recommend a Blackburn MTN rack made for 26" wheels to lower centre of gravity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlefin View Post
    Good looking out. I edited my post.
    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    Karate Monkey owners have had to deal with same braze on's for years. I recommend a Blackburn MTN rack made for 26" wheels to lower centre of gravity.
    A 26" MTN rack was exactly what I had in mind. Going to see how my existing rack fits first, though. If it fits too high up for my tastes, its going to go on my Pug, where it fits really well.
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    I havnt looked..... but reading the above comments on heel clearance has made me think thus.
    If the chain-stays are short enough to make heel clearance an issue wouldnt the logical answer be to raise the rack.
    Oh wait......

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    Tubus Nova SS front and Cosmo SS rear racks on a Straggler

    I'm running a Tubus Cosmo SS rear rack on my Straggler. Had to use a Tubus Rear Extension Adapter kit to mount the rack to the eyelets on the rear of the dropouts instead of the seat stays. This allowed the rack to be moved back and down. There are no heel strike issues with my Ortlieb panniers. Also the rack sits lower which helped make the bike handle better because or the lower CG. The rack fits perfectly. Clears the BB7 brake arm too.straggler rear rack options-img_6067.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6055.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6063.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6066.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6068.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6075.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6070.jpgOnce everything was set and test riding went well, I replaced the washer and spacer stacks with correct sized aluminum spacers which I ordered from aluminumspacers.com. Update 7/10/14: I just finished a 450 mile ride to Key West and everything worked perfectly. Loaded with approximately 50 lbs. in the 4 panniers. I am extremely pleased with the racks and their fit. Just one word of wisdom, use blue Loctite on the mounting screws. I lost one from my front rack and had to stop in at a hardware store for a replacement.
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    Got a picture?

    My PDW rack definitely sits up too high, as I had anticipated. I'm going to go with a rack designed for 26" wheels and believe that should work just fine.
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    The Surly Nice Rack is height adjustable. Hmmmm.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    The Surly Nice Rack is height adjustable. Hmmmm.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    Got a picture?

    My PDW rack definitely sits up too high, as I had anticipated. I'm going to go with a rack designed for 26" wheels and believe that should work just fine.
    Photos now added to Post #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    I havnt looked..... but reading the above comments on heel clearance has made me think thus.
    If the chain-stays are short enough to make heel clearance an issue wouldnt the logical answer be to raise the rack.
    Oh wait......
    Raising a rack raises the center of gravity and makes handling a fully loaded bike more difficult. Moving it back and mounting it to the eyelets on the dropouts usually works much better. The rear triangle is so short on a Straggler it is about the only way to mount a rack designed for 700c wheels. Alternately like others have stated you can run a rack designed for 26" MTB wheels, but mounting a rear truck will still be an issue. See the pics I just posted of the Tubus rack. It's post #24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minglett View Post
    I'm running a Tubus Cosmo SS rear rack (I know expensive, but I got a deal that I couldn't pass up) on my Straggler and it will not work using the braze-on mounts on the seat stays. The rack will be too close to the seat tube so a trunk bag will run into the saddle. Also heel strike issues with Ortlieb panniers. The rack sits too high also; you want bags low for low CG. Have to use a Tubus Rear Extension Adapter kit and mount the rack to the eyelets on the top rear of the dropouts. The rack fits perfectly then. Clears the BB7 brake arm too, barely............................................ ....................Click image for larger version. 

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    Thanks for posting the clear detail of this setup.

    I know you gotta do what you gotta do, but aren't you concerned that the need for all the spacers to clear the brakes really compromises the integrity/capacity of the rack? It seems like a lot of leveraged shear force is bearing on that small bolt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    Thanks for posting the clear detail of this setup.

    I know you gotta do what you gotta do, but aren't you concerned that the need for all the spacers to clear the brakes really compromises the integrity/capacity of the rack? It seems like a lot of leveraged shear force is bearing on that small bolt...
    I'm not concerned about the extra mechanical advantage caused by the longer lever length. If it were mounted to a braze-on, I might be concerned but the forged dropouts mounts are not going to be a problem. Also the shear force of the 5mm SST bolt is going to be way more that what I am going to carry, even in semi-rough terrain. I plan on only using it on paved roadways. Update: Once I test rode the bike, I did replace the stack of washers and spacer with a single correctly sized aluminum spacer. I just finished a 450 mile tour, loaded with 50lbs in the panniers and everything worked perfectly.
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    Thanks for the info.

    I don't think you'll really have a problem with that spaced out a littler further.

    Can't quite tell from the pics, but how is it level-wise front to back? To me, it looks like it could be tilted back more, but that the top mounts are already extended to the max. If you could tilt it back more, it seems you might be able to clear the brake without the additional washers.

    I'm currently leaning towards the Axiom 2429 rack, which is designed to adjust for 24" to 29" wheels, so I figure that should be able to be run low enough and be used with the braze-ons on the seat stay. That said, I am somewhat concerned about potential heal clearance issues. Might be able to use something like that extension adapter (looks easy enough to mimic) to get the rack back just a bit further.

    I've got the rack on my Christmas list - so will probably have some pictures after then.
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    Has anyone else installed Spyres yet? I don't think there will be anything stopping me from just using a standard rack. they're quite narrow.

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    Good job! 26" Tubus Disco

    We've used Tubus Disco racks on our road bikes for years and really dig them for their ease of mounting and minimal look. Just moved one over to one of the Stragglers and it looks good! The only issue is the clearance is pretty minimal, but shouldn't be a problem.

    The interesting thing is that during this process we discovered that there's a 26" and 700c version of this rack now, not sure that was always the case. Turns out we have the 26" version and the 700c version would allow for a little more clearance. We've got two on order from Wayne at TheTouringStore. It's going to be a couple weeks till they come in because he has to make a full order. So if anyone is interested in this rack give him a call!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenanigans View Post
    We've used Tubus Disco racks on our road bikes for years and really dig them for their ease of mounting and minimal look. Just moved one over to one of the Stragglers and it looks good!
    ...
    Thanks for those great pics of your setup.

    Wondering: did you ever try setting up this rack mounted on the seat stay braze-ons of the Straggler, directly above the brake calipers? That would raise the rack above the rear tire for additional clearance, but maybe it has some other problems?

    Earlier in this thread we were speculating on the possibility of using racks designed for 26" frames, thinking they might be a good fit on those seat stay mounts. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    Thanks for those great pics of your setup.

    Wondering: did you ever try setting up this rack mounted on the seat stay braze-ons of the Straggler, directly above the brake calipers? That would raise the rack above the rear tire for additional clearance, but maybe it has some other problems?
    Eyeballed it for a minute before installing it as shown but decided against it for two reasons. The main one is a preference for having a lower center of gravity when it comes to the added weight of panniers. The other is the rack looked silly up so high haha.

    Don't really have much experience with other racks so not much to add there. We've done most of our touring and camping with either our Big Dummies or folding bikes, all of which have their own unique setups.

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    It looks like you could get that front end up a tad bit more but you would probably have to cut the rods or do some bending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenanigans View Post
    Eyeballed it for a minute before installing it as shown but decided against it for two reasons. The main one is a preference for having a lower center of gravity when it comes to the added weight of panniers. The other is the rack looked silly up so high haha.

    Don't really have much experience with other racks so not much to add there. We've done most of our touring and camping with either our Big Dummies or folding bikes, all of which have their own unique setups.
    Would be great to see the 700c version when you get it!

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    700c Tubus Disco

    Sorry for the delay, here's the pics of the 700c Tubus Disco! It's quite a bit more clearance, bigger difference than we anticipated.

    Whole set on Flickr!






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    Can I just go out on a limb and say, If you're using hydraulic calipers... you may not need a disc specific rack?

    I'm looking to put some SLX brakes on my straggler, and I realized the caliper won't extend past the frame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agwan View Post
    Can I just go out on a limb and say, If you're using hydraulic calipers... you may not need a disc specific rack?

    I'm looking to put some SLX brakes on my straggler, and I realized the caliper won't extend past the frame...
    It'd be cutting it close, that's for sure. Probably best to go with a disc rack anyway in case you swap out the brakes for something else down the road.
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    Anyone get their hands on a Blackburn Outpost rear rack and try it on their Straggler yet? Looks like it was just released, and I kind of like the way it looks.

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    I installed a Blackburn Interlock rack the other day and that thing was hopelessly overcomplicated. I still dont understand what they could have been thinking when they designed that mounting system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I installed a Blackburn Interlock rack the other day and that thing was hopelessly overcomplicated. I still dont understand what they could have been thinking when they designed that mounting system.
    I'm having a hard time finding detailed pics of any of these "fit system" racks actually mounted on a bike. Do these only mount on the rear QR skewer, or can they actually use the lower rack braze-ons?

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    The Interlock I dealt with mounted to the braze ons. The qr mount was actually sold separate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    The Interlock I dealt with mounted to the braze ons. The qr mount was actually sold separate.
    You mind snapping a few pics of it mounted up?

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    straggler rear rack options-sspx00721.jpgstraggler rear rack options-sspx00761.jpgThe bottom is pretty straight forward. Simply bolt through the hole to the braze-on. The struts had me a bit confused. They mount ot the rack similar to the Surly rack, but on the sides. But, and you can't tell this from the pictures, both ends are threaded to accept an "eyelet" that gets bolted to the frame. The one pictured above has the struts installed as if were to be mounted to brake posts. For the Straggler, and other bikes with upper braze-ons you'd turn them around. Two things to note, with the struts turned around you have to get the curved ends pointing so they aren't in the way. And second, the instructions are wrong. There are some concave/convex washers to deal with and the instructons tell you to put them in the wrong order.

    Once you get it mounted it should be fine, but IDk why you'd deal with this thing when there are so much better racks available.

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    Thanks! I'm actually interested in the Outpost rack, not the Interlock, but they seem to have the same mounting system. I've currently got a Freeload rack strapped on, but I'm looking for a more permanent solution.

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    Still trying to find a good rack for my Straggler. The Freeload/Pack n' Pedal rack is 3 lbs, so that's gotta go. Plus, it's a pain to mount/unmount. I bought both a Blackburn TRX-1 and Central rack to test out. I like the TRX-1, but there's two problems. It won't mount with the BB7s calipers on there. Those will be replaced with TRP HY/RD calipers next week, so I think there will be room then. The second problem is the seat-stay mounting struts are way too long, and they're not adjustable, so it still won't work. The Blackburn Central rack will fit even with the BB7s on there, but it's heavier and I really want a rack with lower pannier mounting points to keep the center of gravity low. Maybe the Tubus Logo is closer to what I need?

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    Tubus Logo rack works fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by llamma View Post
    Still trying to find a good rack for my Straggler. The Freeload/Pack n' Pedal rack is 3 lbs, so that's gotta go. Plus, it's a pain to mount/unmount. I bought both a Blackburn TRX-1 and Central rack to test out. I like the TRX-1, but there's two problems. It won't mount with the BB7s calipers on there. Those will be replaced with TRP HY/RD calipers next week, so I think there will be room then. The second problem is the seat-stay mounting struts are way too long, and they're not adjustable, so it still won't work. The Blackburn Central rack will fit even with the BB7s on there, but it's heavier and I really want a rack with lower pannier mounting points to keep the center of gravity low. Maybe the Tubus Logo is closer to what I need?
    The Tubus Logo rack will work perfectly fine. But you will need to purchase a Tubus Extension Adapter kit in order to mount it properly. Plus you will need a 3/8" aluminum spacer to get the rack away enough to clear the BB7 brake arm.

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    Surly posted about the Straggler rack situation a couple weeks ago:

    Surly Racks, Surly Bikes?WARNING: All Our Things Don?t Always Work With All Our Other Things | Blog | Surly Bikes

    So you can wait for their new rack, or they provide some options:

    Also, here are some racks that work with the Straggler with only small amounts of DIY stuff:

    On the budget side there is: Topeak Explorer, Axiom Journey Uni-Fit, Axiom Streamliner. They all have clever ways of getting around the disc calipers. Some need additional washers so be ready to go back and forth to the hardware store.

    On the not budget side are: Old Man Mountain (many of them)(if you haven’t heard of them you should check them out, pricey but nice with a capital “N”) and CETMA (also a really nice rack, though it’s a front rack and I know some of you folks out there want a rear rack to keep your garment bag on)(if you haven’t, check them out too), Also many of the Tubus racks will work with their "Extension Part for Rear Carriers" or with their "Adapter Set for QR-Axel-Mounting".
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    Quote Originally Posted by minglett View Post
    The Tubus Logo rack will work perfectly fine. But you will need to purchase a Tubus Extension Adapter kit in order to mount it properly. Plus you will need a 3/8" aluminum spacer to get the rack away enough to clear the BB7 brake arm.
    The 26/28" version or the 29" version? Thinking about the Tubus Logo Titanium but that one is only available in 26/28".

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    I had an Topeah Explorer rack I put on my Straggler. I made two little extensions out of some flat aluminum. Wondering if the cable routing is OK?
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    So has anyone found a rack that fits the upper rack mounts well, while still providing good heel clearance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    So has anyone found a rack that fits the upper rack mounts well, while still providing good heel clearance?
    Revelate seat bag.

    Seriously, I looked into a lot of rack solutions for the Straggler, and ended up going with the bikepacking style bags and a small front rack for light loads up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lextek View Post
    I had an Topeah Explorer rack I put on my Straggler. I made two little extensions out of some flat aluminum. Wondering if the cable routing is OK?
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    You know they make a 29er version of that rack too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    You know they make a 29er version of that rack too?
    Already had the 26" version. New bike, wanted to use it for my commute. Kind of ta temporary thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lextek View Post
    Already had the 26" version. New bike, wanted to use it for my commute. Kind of ta temporary thing...
    I actually use a 26" version on a KM with 40s and fenders without clearance issues. Did you have clearance issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I actually use a 26" version on a KM with 40s and fenders without clearance issues. Did you have clearance issues?
    I tried using it on the seatstay mounts and i seemed to postion the rack too far forward for me. It the postion it's in now without the spacers was pretty, tight with the 41 Knards.

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    So I've got the TRP HY/RD brakes on now, so clearing the calipers isn't an issue now. The mounting stuts for the Blackburn TRX-1 are too long, so no-go there still.

    Anyone try a Salsa Alternator rack? Alternator Rack Standard | Parts & Accessories | Salsa Cycles

    It has the following notes that I don't quite understand:
    NOTE: Designed as a rear rack solution for Salsa frames that feature 135mm-spaced Alternator dropouts
    NOTE: Deck requires a minimum of 320mm clearance from seatstay mounting points
    Does that mean it will only work on Salsa frames, or just that it will only work on 135mm spaced rears?
    320mm == 12.6 inches, so does that mean you really need that much clearance from the front of the deck to the seatstays? The TRX-1 only has like 2 inches of clearance!

    EDIT: hmm, after some more research it sounds like the Alternator dropouts are special, though I'm not sure how that affects the way the rack mounts.

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    Got the Tubus Disco 26" mounted within 4 min. and it fits perfect.
    I still have to shorten the mounting struts so the front clips of my
    Ortlieb bags don't touch them.

    Bags sit close to the wheel, low and give plenty of heel clearance.
    Looks great, too.

    straggler rear rack options-dsc05532.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by llamma View Post
    Anyone try a Salsa Alternator rack?
    I had a Wanderlust HD, mounted in the upper positions. Ended up trimming the struts to just a few inches. Heel clearance was tight and thats the only reason I've got a Tubus Disco on the way.

    FWIW, the Wanderlust HD was too short to mount in the fender holes behind the dropout. My 40mm tires were bottoming out in it just test fitting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgould View Post
    Got the Tubus Disco 26" mounted within 4 min. and it fits perfect.
    I still have to shorten the mounting struts so the front clips of my
    Ortlieb bags don't touch them.

    Bags sit close to the wheel, low and give plenty of heel clearance.
    Looks great, too.

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    It looks like the rack is sitting really far back, although it could be the camera angle. If it is indeed so far back, how does it handle loaded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgould View Post
    Got the Tubus Disco 26" mounted within 4 min. and it fits perfect.
    I still have to shorten the mounting struts so the front clips of my
    Ortlieb bags don't touch them.

    Bags sit close to the wheel, low and give plenty of heel clearance.
    Looks great, too.

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    It looks like once you get those mounting struts shortened that you'll be able to move the rack forward a bit to move the load closer, while still maintaining heel clearance.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    I run a civia market with no modifications or issues:
    Civia Market Short Rear Rack in Tree Fort Bikes Rear Mount Racks (cat1190)

    http://i.imgur.com/Ies4fAF.jpg
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    http://i.imgur.com/8r6YTKk.jpg

    I can probably take actual pics of the rack, I was just linked to this and understood there was some debate about it.

    edit: sorry about the pics showing essentially nothing. I'll take good ones at some point. If it matters, it's a straggler with contact 2 like 28's or 32's on it. There could potentially be clearance issues with bigger tires but I think it's unlikely. It's also set up sram rival, but the rack's been on it since it had the tiagra too, and there was never any interference on that side of the business.

    edit again: avid BB7s, that matters more than the derailleur. And while there is no interference it is tight, I can imagine someone having different calipers or just setup differently having some troubles.

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    I'm done editing, here's the album:
    rack - Imgur

    The tires are 28's but I had 32 marathon plus's on there and there were no problems. There's plenty of room since the rack sits pretty wide. It's a little hard to tell but there's also clearance for the BB7 and all the business associated with it. The rack sits outside of the caliper mount by just a little, basically this fits like a glove and works great and I love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgould View Post
    Got the Tubus Disco 26" mounted within 4 min. and it fits perfect.
    Yay, another happy Disco user! We've been super happy with ours, great rack that works with no fuss.

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    So, assuming nothing would come of it I actually reached out to Blackburn to complain about the mounting strut that came with the TRX-1 rack. They actually sent me a couple of shorter struts free of charge! Finally got it mounted and snapped a couple of [bad] pics


    All mounted up with a Ortlieb Back-Roller pannier attached for a test fit

    straggler rear rack options-dsc_0002-small.jpg

    Yes, the mounting nut/block is a little close to the tire, but there will be plenty of clearance with actual commuter tires on there


    Here's the shortest strut, about 4" long. The one that came with the rack was twice as long

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    Here's the clearance with my TRP HY/RD brakes

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    straggler rear rack options

    Why not just cut the strut shorter? Did that with my Tubus w/o issue


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    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    Why not just cut the strut shorter? Did that with my Tubus w/o issue
    You can do it when there are straight struts like on the Tubus (comes with two plastic end-caps to go over the cut ends).

    Have a look at the close up of the TRX-1 strut - it seems that it is a single u-bend piece and the mounting block only allows adjustability by a centimeter or two.

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    Re: straggler rear rack options

    Correct, the strut is a single piece with a U bend. The mounting block provides about 1" of adjustability.

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    What is the cheapest option that works with the Straggler?

    I think I'd like to go with the rear rack option for touring, however I am considering that maybe a saddle bag with support like carradice and a front rack might give me a more balanced load for touring. Anyone using their Straggle as a tourer? If so what is your setup?

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    My touring setup is going to be, rear Tubus Disco 28" rack, front Salsa Down Under rack. Ortlieb backroller classics front and rear.

    Both racks fit pefectly with the panniers but I dont have pics of the front rack setup since it got destroyed when I got hit by a car two months back and I havent replaced it yet.

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    The Tubus Disco looks nice, the price is a little steep though.

    Did anyone go with the Axiom Journey rack?

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    I use the Civia Market rack, it's ~$70. It's a great rack, clears the calipers, and allows for the fatties to clear. I've toured on my straggler, but mostly just commute/road ride.

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    I've just build up my Straggler Commuter and here is my rear rack solution:

    At first I thought of using the upper mounts above the brake calliper with a Racktime Fold-It fix 20'' - but the rack was too long and did collide with the seat tube.

    Now I've used the Racktime Fold-It adjustable together with the Tubus extension kit which did fit quite well since Racktime is made by Tubus (see the imprint notice here). I only had to mount the extension kit the "wrong" way around to achieve enough space to the brake calliper and mount the stays of the rack asymmetrical to have the rack leveled (see photos below). The rack is now mounted quite far to the back but since the rear wheel itself is longer I can live with it. Unfortunately my Ortlieb Backroller City does collide with the brake calliper so I have to mount it to the right-hand side of the bike if I'm using it (for commuting one bag is more than enough).

    So now here some pics:

    straggler rear rack options-img_8492.jpg
    64cm frameset rocks!


    straggler rear rack options-img_8493.jpg
    Fenders are Curana C-Lite 28'' 45mm wide - to be mounted I had to cut their stays a little bit but now they fit quite fine.


    straggler rear rack options-img_8494.jpg
    When doing the photos I noticed the rack extension did move a little bit forward because mounted the wrong way round (the long hole is intended to be on the rear end) - I have to think of a solution to prevent this behaviour.


    straggler rear rack options-img_8495.jpg


    straggler rear rack options-img_8484.jpg
    Snow tires in action - I love them!


    I hope someone can use this information. Safe cycling and a happy new year!

    Greetings from Austria,
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    Is this the 26" or 28" version of the Racktime?
    It looks very much like the 26" and I think the 28" would have been a better fit for the 64 frame. Think fender clearance and the mounting struts to the seat stays would be more horizontal.

    There are also wider racks which wouldn't have given you the problem of the bag touching the brake caliper.
    You still could bend the stays out a little and fit extension pieces in.

    And I don't think your rear fender "fits quite fine".
    I think you ****ed it up totally. How did you manage that?

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    Front Rack Options?

    I'm searching and finding nothing. I put an order in for a Tubus Tara yesterday, so we'll see how it fits. So far I'm still enjoying my rear Civia Market with 700x32 Marathon Plus tires and longboard fenders.

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    Tubus Tara up front, Civia market in back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred.ibk View Post
    I've just build up my Straggler Commuter and here is my rear rack solution:

    I hope someone can use this information. Safe cycling and a happy new year!

    Greetings from Austria,
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    Whoa. Yours is the only other 64 I've seen other than mine. Looks rad.

    I need to update this thread with pics of mine with the Disco on the back. Fits perfectly and a good bit lighter than the Salsa Wanderlust it replaced (not that it really matters when I'm running 28mm wide 29er rims and huge tires).

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    FYI, my old "Bontrager BackRack Deluxe L" fit just fine with my HY/RD calipers. It's a big aluminum rack, will switch to Tubus Disco.
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    New rear rack: Tubus Disco (700c version).

    It fits perfectly and clears the 43mm Rock N' Road tires easily.

    I decided to mount it using the QR skewer and not the braze-ons that are behind the skewer because using the braze-ons resulted in the rack being pushed quite high and back.

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    mrribbits, can you show a close-up of that setup from the non-drive side? Trying to set up my wife's bike with the same rack and it's not clearing. You have no dropout extension, just bolted the rack directly to the eyelets?

    Thanks!

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    mrribbits, I get it now, you are running hydraulic brakes? Those must have better clearance.

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    Yep running TRP HYRD brakes. I'm connecting the Tubus Disco rack to the QR skewer so that the rack isn't as far back and high. But I do have the clearance to connect it to the eyelet back there as well.
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    Anybody running the Axiom DLX Streamliner? Just curious how it looks/performs.

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    Same question as wafflefry ^
    Looking at getting the complete axiom kit for my straggler - Streamliner Disk DLX rack and the Tempest hydracore bags.

    Anyone have this combo??

    Streamliner Disc DLX - Streamliner Racks - Racks - Products - Axiom Cycling Gear
    Tempest Hydracore P27 - Tempest Panniers - Bags/Panniers - Products - Axiom Cycling Gear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupendous Man View Post
    Same question as wafflefry ^
    Looking at getting the complete axiom kit for my straggler - Streamliner Disk DLX rack and the Tempest hydracore bags.

    Anyone have this combo??

    Streamliner Disc DLX - Streamliner Racks - Racks - Products - Axiom Cycling Gear
    Tempest Hydracore P27 - Tempest Panniers - Bags/Panniers - Products - Axiom Cycling Gear
    It does fit just fine :-)

    (edit: the bungee is just to keep the U-Lock from bouncing around, not to do anything with the rack being secured)

    straggler rear rack options-14713712_10154126350734503_5858085167723752236_n.jpg

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    Good to know!

    It looks like it clears the brake by miles - almost too far back. Is it adjustable more forward? I want to put panniers on mine, and that looks like it may throw the balance too far back
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    With my Ortlieb Classic's fully loaded there can be some drunken swing to it when cornering or wind gusts, I have just kinda gotten used to it to compensate. Unfortunately, that was the only low spot to mount and not really adjustable but I suppose it would be simple enough to fabricate another bracket that would slide it forward a few inches.

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    True, its an easy enough problem to solve! Thanks for the info! Im putting these on my Xmas list!
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    Soma Rakku fit on my wife's 60cm straggler. It's super beefy, but not cheap. I scored a good deal on a 2nd hand one that was like new.

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