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    Will the rear brake placement on the new Surly Straggler restrict rear rack options to a few of those expensive Tubus models? Or are there other less expensive options (even if not as apocalypse robust)?

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    OMM Sherpa? Though not exactly cheaper hah.

    Old Man Mountain Rear Pannier Racks Fit Most Any Bike

    Surprised Surly didn't go wih the between stay mount position that's become so popular.

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    Just a couple I know of that have disc specific accommodations. I like the axiom idea of being able to adjust height and rearward offset. It seems like a nice idea. I have the Bontrager Deluxe rack that does not have a disc option on my Troll and it has proven in the short term to be a solid rack. There are plenty of affordable rear racks that accommodate disc brakes. It just depends on the level of rack you need for your planned use. Assess your needs and choose accordingly.

    Bontrager Backrack Disc - has standoffs that push the rack stays out
    Bontrager: Products > Accessories > Racks

    Axiom Journey Uni-Fit series (cromo or AL) - has adjustable extensions to move the rack back and up or down
    Journey Uni-Fit Series « Racks « Products « Axiom Performance Gear

    Axiom Streamline series - same as Journey Uni-fit mounts, but narrower top platform
    Streamliner Series « Racks « Products « Axiom Performance Gear

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    Topeak MTX Disc series - has standoffs that push the rack stays out
    Topeak® Cycling Accessories ? Products - Racks > Tubular Racks MTX Disc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenanigans View Post
    OMM Sherpa? Though not exactly cheaper hah.

    Old Man Mountain Rear Pannier Racks Fit Most Any Bike

    Surprised Surly didn't go wih the between stay mount position that's become so popular.
    Crap the bed, those OMM racks are as or more expensive than the Tubus ones.

    A $50 blackburn-type rack would be plenty Good Enough (TM) for my purposes, but the rear disc mounting position would seem to preclude such models.

    Ok, I get the need for the rear disc mount position in terms of the Straggler's new-fangled rear dropouts. But it seems they could have sharpened their pencils a bit more to come up with a better solution. Heck, even I can imagine how those dropouts could be designed to work flipped the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle01 View Post
    Just a couple I know of that have disc specific accommodations. I like the axiom idea of being able to adjust height and rearward offset. It seems like a nice idea. I have the Bontrager Deluxe rack that does not have a disc option on my Troll and it has proven in the short term to be a solid rack. There are plenty of affordable rear racks that accommodate disc brakes. It just depends on the level of rack you need for your planned use.
    The Troll is no prob for any rear rack, because the disc brake is mounted forward of the axle. The issue with the Straggler is that the disk brake is mounted above the rear axle, on the back of the seat stay. In this position, it interferes with the struts of your normal everyday type of rear rack.

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    vitaly66, that's why I listed four+ other racks that are disc mount specific. I just gave my personal experience on a similar Bontrager rack for quality. Look at the other racks. They will work with the Straggler's disc configuration. And, they can be found for under $50 except the cromo versions of the Axioms. I'll go back and update my posting with links to the manufactures so you can look at those.

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    Thx Turtle. Those Axiom racks do look workable, and price is decent.

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    I think the Axiom racks are a great option. They give a great amount of information there on the site as well. They have the video that describes the mounts and they have a pdf on the side for all the dimensions. Oh, didn't see it mentioned, but those mount plates seem to have fender holes on the rearward portion, pretty good thinking. If I didn't already have my two Bontrager racks I'd be looking at the Axioms for an affordable option.

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    Racktime Add-it...a friend has one her Vaya, so it clears disc brakes. Very similar to Tubus Logo Evo.

    *sorry this wont work, I didn't realize the mounts are on the seat stay.
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    Singlefin, the Racktime Add-it will not fit on the Straggler. Vaya has the caliper mount on the chainstay while the Straggler's is on the seatstay putting the it in the way of the racks vertical mount. To bad Surly didn't just stick with the Troll/Ogre dropouts. Guess they wanted to keep it Crosscheck'ish/road'ish.

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    I've run the Topeak MTX Disc for about five years now, on two different bikes, and sometimes under pretty heavy loads. I've never had a problem with mine. I also like the MTX system; it allows you to just slide on the matching bags and such and have them click into place pretty securely. I've got the trunk bag with fold-down planners. It's treated me well so far.

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    Take a closer look at the seat stays. The mount point for the rack is above the disc mount. I don't see why any rack wouldn't work.

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    Edit with a better picture. From the drive side, but you can see that disc caliper clearance is not going to be an issue.

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    Thx for pointing out those extra braze-ons, jcaino. Any rear rack should be a breeze.

    Apologies for the earlier crit of surly designer folk, their pencils look to be pretty sharp after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle01 View Post
    Singlefin, the Racktime Add-it will not fit on the Straggler. Vaya has the caliper mount on the chainstay while the Straggler's is on the seatstay putting the it in the way of the racks vertical mount. To bad Surly didn't just stick with the Troll/Ogre dropouts. Guess they wanted to keep it Crosscheck'ish/road'ish.
    Good looking out. I edited my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlefin View Post
    Good looking out. I edited my post.
    Actually, that rack will work just fine. Look at pictures.
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    Continuing to muse about this, I do see a couple potential issues with those extra rack braze-ons:

    * higher center of gravity for load, as rack will be raised about 3" (good for tire/mud clearance though)

    * possibly a little less heel clearance for any rear panniers, as rack mounting point will be forward of rear axle about 1"

    Both of these issues can probably be covered by the "deal with it" policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post

    Both of these issues can probably be covered by the "deal with it" policy.
    Or get an OMM rack and mount it to the QR or the lower braze ons at the back of the drop outs.

    I've been using OMM racks for over 10yrs and my first rack is still going strong. Not the cheapest option, but they are made in the US, work great and will fit just about any bike you want to put them on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I've been using OMM racks for over 10yrs and my first rack is still going strong. Not the cheapest option, but they are made in the US, work great and will fit just about any bike you want to put them on.
    I can say I have a couple of blackburn racks running just fine on my road bikes for over 30 years now.

    Anyway, no way I'm ever gonna spend $150+ for a rack. Glad you are happy with yours, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    Continuing to muse about this, I do see a couple potential issues with those extra rack braze-ons:

    * higher center of gravity for load, as rack will be raised about 3" (good for tire/mud clearance though)

    * possibly a little less heel clearance for any rear panniers, as rack mounting point will be forward of rear axle about 1"

    Both of these issues can probably be covered by the "deal with it" policy.
    I wonder with the rise of disc brakes if these higher mounts will mean shorter racks in the future, putting the rack to about the same height it would have been on a standard rack mount.
    Any entrepeneurs this might be something worth looking into.

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    Holy smokes, I didn't notice the mounts that high. That actually kinda sucks. The Axiom Journey Adjustable 2429 (Journey Adjustable 2429 « Journey Series « Racks « Products « Axiom Performance Gear), or any other height adjustable rack, seems to be the way to go. Sorry for not noticing that earlier with my suggestions. Heel clearance may be an issue with any rack that can be fit of course with the mounts being forward of normal.

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    Karate Monkey owners have had to deal with same braze on's for years. I recommend a Blackburn MTN rack made for 26" wheels to lower centre of gravity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlefin View Post
    Good looking out. I edited my post.
    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    Karate Monkey owners have had to deal with same braze on's for years. I recommend a Blackburn MTN rack made for 26" wheels to lower centre of gravity.
    A 26" MTN rack was exactly what I had in mind. Going to see how my existing rack fits first, though. If it fits too high up for my tastes, its going to go on my Pug, where it fits really well.
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    I havnt looked..... but reading the above comments on heel clearance has made me think thus.
    If the chain-stays are short enough to make heel clearance an issue wouldnt the logical answer be to raise the rack.
    Oh wait......

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    Tubus Nova SS front and Cosmo SS rear racks on a Straggler

    I'm running a Tubus Cosmo SS rear rack on my Straggler. Had to use a Tubus Rear Extension Adapter kit to mount the rack to the eyelets on the rear of the dropouts instead of the seat stays. This allowed the rack to be moved back and down. There are no heel strike issues with my Ortlieb panniers. Also the rack sits lower which helped make the bike handle better because or the lower CG. The rack fits perfectly. Clears the BB7 brake arm too.straggler rear rack options-img_6067.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6055.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6063.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6066.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6068.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6075.jpgstraggler rear rack options-img_6070.jpgOnce everything was set and test riding went well, I replaced the washer and spacer stacks with correct sized aluminum spacers which I ordered from aluminumspacers.com. Update 7/10/14: I just finished a 450 mile ride to Key West and everything worked perfectly. Loaded with approximately 50 lbs. in the 4 panniers. I am extremely pleased with the racks and their fit. Just one word of wisdom, use blue Loctite on the mounting screws. I lost one from my front rack and had to stop in at a hardware store for a replacement.
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    Got a picture?

    My PDW rack definitely sits up too high, as I had anticipated. I'm going to go with a rack designed for 26" wheels and believe that should work just fine.
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    The Surly Nice Rack is height adjustable. Hmmmm.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    The Surly Nice Rack is height adjustable. Hmmmm.....
    But Heavy

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    Got a picture?

    My PDW rack definitely sits up too high, as I had anticipated. I'm going to go with a rack designed for 26" wheels and believe that should work just fine.
    Photos now added to Post #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    I havnt looked..... but reading the above comments on heel clearance has made me think thus.
    If the chain-stays are short enough to make heel clearance an issue wouldnt the logical answer be to raise the rack.
    Oh wait......
    Raising a rack raises the center of gravity and makes handling a fully loaded bike more difficult. Moving it back and mounting it to the eyelets on the dropouts usually works much better. The rear triangle is so short on a Straggler it is about the only way to mount a rack designed for 700c wheels. Alternately like others have stated you can run a rack designed for 26" MTB wheels, but mounting a rear truck will still be an issue. See the pics I just posted of the Tubus rack. It's post #24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minglett View Post
    I'm running a Tubus Cosmo SS rear rack (I know expensive, but I got a deal that I couldn't pass up) on my Straggler and it will not work using the braze-on mounts on the seat stays. The rack will be too close to the seat tube so a trunk bag will run into the saddle. Also heel strike issues with Ortlieb panniers. The rack sits too high also; you want bags low for low CG. Have to use a Tubus Rear Extension Adapter kit and mount the rack to the eyelets on the top rear of the dropouts. The rack fits perfectly then. Clears the BB7 brake arm too, barely............................................ ....................Click image for larger version. 

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    Thanks for posting the clear detail of this setup.

    I know you gotta do what you gotta do, but aren't you concerned that the need for all the spacers to clear the brakes really compromises the integrity/capacity of the rack? It seems like a lot of leveraged shear force is bearing on that small bolt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    Thanks for posting the clear detail of this setup.

    I know you gotta do what you gotta do, but aren't you concerned that the need for all the spacers to clear the brakes really compromises the integrity/capacity of the rack? It seems like a lot of leveraged shear force is bearing on that small bolt...
    I'm not concerned about the extra mechanical advantage caused by the longer lever length. If it were mounted to a braze-on, I might be concerned but the forged dropouts mounts are not going to be a problem. Also the shear force of the 5mm SST bolt is going to be way more that what I am going to carry, even in semi-rough terrain. I plan on only using it on paved roadways. Update: Once I test rode the bike, I did replace the stack of washers and spacer with a single correctly sized aluminum spacer. I just finished a 450 mile tour, loaded with 50lbs in the panniers and everything worked perfectly.
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    Thanks for the info.

    I don't think you'll really have a problem with that spaced out a littler further.

    Can't quite tell from the pics, but how is it level-wise front to back? To me, it looks like it could be tilted back more, but that the top mounts are already extended to the max. If you could tilt it back more, it seems you might be able to clear the brake without the additional washers.

    I'm currently leaning towards the Axiom 2429 rack, which is designed to adjust for 24" to 29" wheels, so I figure that should be able to be run low enough and be used with the braze-ons on the seat stay. That said, I am somewhat concerned about potential heal clearance issues. Might be able to use something like that extension adapter (looks easy enough to mimic) to get the rack back just a bit further.

    I've got the rack on my Christmas list - so will probably have some pictures after then.
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    Has anyone else installed Spyres yet? I don't think there will be anything stopping me from just using a standard rack. they're quite narrow.

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    Good job! 26" Tubus Disco

    We've used Tubus Disco racks on our road bikes for years and really dig them for their ease of mounting and minimal look. Just moved one over to one of the Stragglers and it looks good! The only issue is the clearance is pretty minimal, but shouldn't be a problem.

    The interesting thing is that during this process we discovered that there's a 26" and 700c version of this rack now, not sure that was always the case. Turns out we have the 26" version and the 700c version would allow for a little more clearance. We've got two on order from Wayne at TheTouringStore. It's going to be a couple weeks till they come in because he has to make a full order. So if anyone is interested in this rack give him a call!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenanigans View Post
    We've used Tubus Disco racks on our road bikes for years and really dig them for their ease of mounting and minimal look. Just moved one over to one of the Stragglers and it looks good!
    ...
    Thanks for those great pics of your setup.

    Wondering: did you ever try setting up this rack mounted on the seat stay braze-ons of the Straggler, directly above the brake calipers? That would raise the rack above the rear tire for additional clearance, but maybe it has some other problems?

    Earlier in this thread we were speculating on the possibility of using racks designed for 26" frames, thinking they might be a good fit on those seat stay mounts. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    Thanks for those great pics of your setup.

    Wondering: did you ever try setting up this rack mounted on the seat stay braze-ons of the Straggler, directly above the brake calipers? That would raise the rack above the rear tire for additional clearance, but maybe it has some other problems?
    Eyeballed it for a minute before installing it as shown but decided against it for two reasons. The main one is a preference for having a lower center of gravity when it comes to the added weight of panniers. The other is the rack looked silly up so high haha.

    Don't really have much experience with other racks so not much to add there. We've done most of our touring and camping with either our Big Dummies or folding bikes, all of which have their own unique setups.

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    It looks like you could get that front end up a tad bit more but you would probably have to cut the rods or do some bending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenanigans View Post
    Eyeballed it for a minute before installing it as shown but decided against it for two reasons. The main one is a preference for having a lower center of gravity when it comes to the added weight of panniers. The other is the rack looked silly up so high haha.

    Don't really have much experience with other racks so not much to add there. We've done most of our touring and camping with either our Big Dummies or folding bikes, all of which have their own unique setups.
    Would be great to see the 700c version when you get it!

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    700c Tubus Disco

    Sorry for the delay, here's the pics of the 700c Tubus Disco! It's quite a bit more clearance, bigger difference than we anticipated.

    Whole set on Flickr!






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    Can I just go out on a limb and say, If you're using hydraulic calipers... you may not need a disc specific rack?

    I'm looking to put some SLX brakes on my straggler, and I realized the caliper won't extend past the frame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agwan View Post
    Can I just go out on a limb and say, If you're using hydraulic calipers... you may not need a disc specific rack?

    I'm looking to put some SLX brakes on my straggler, and I realized the caliper won't extend past the frame...
    It'd be cutting it close, that's for sure. Probably best to go with a disc rack anyway in case you swap out the brakes for something else down the road.
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    Anyone get their hands on a Blackburn Outpost rear rack and try it on their Straggler yet? Looks like it was just released, and I kind of like the way it looks.

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    I installed a Blackburn Interlock rack the other day and that thing was hopelessly overcomplicated. I still dont understand what they could have been thinking when they designed that mounting system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I installed a Blackburn Interlock rack the other day and that thing was hopelessly overcomplicated. I still dont understand what they could have been thinking when they designed that mounting system.
    I'm having a hard time finding detailed pics of any of these "fit system" racks actually mounted on a bike. Do these only mount on the rear QR skewer, or can they actually use the lower rack braze-ons?

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    The Interlock I dealt with mounted to the braze ons. The qr mount was actually sold separate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    The Interlock I dealt with mounted to the braze ons. The qr mount was actually sold separate.
    You mind snapping a few pics of it mounted up?

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    straggler rear rack options-sspx00721.jpgstraggler rear rack options-sspx00761.jpgThe bottom is pretty straight forward. Simply bolt through the hole to the braze-on. The struts had me a bit confused. They mount ot the rack similar to the Surly rack, but on the sides. But, and you can't tell this from the pictures, both ends are threaded to accept an "eyelet" that gets bolted to the frame. The one pictured above has the struts installed as if were to be mounted to brake posts. For the Straggler, and other bikes with upper braze-ons you'd turn them around. Two things to note, with the struts turned around you have to get the curved ends pointing so they aren't in the way. And second, the instructions are wrong. There are some concave/convex washers to deal with and the instructons tell you to put them in the wrong order.

    Once you get it mounted it should be fine, but IDk why you'd deal with this thing when there are so much better racks available.

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    Thanks! I'm actually interested in the Outpost rack, not the Interlock, but they seem to have the same mounting system. I've currently got a Freeload rack strapped on, but I'm looking for a more permanent solution.

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