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    Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame

    Now that Rabbit Hole rims and Knard 29x3 tires are available individually, post your pics of Ogres, Karate Monkeys, and even non-Surly frames (gasp!) with 29+ tires and/or rims...

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    I didn't think you could buy them separate from a Krampus frame yet.
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    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33936975@N00/8440210540/" title="Krampus 02 by normbilt, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8463/8440210540_17e8b08f64_o.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="Krampus 02"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33936975@N00/8440210936/" title="Krampus 01 by normbilt, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8229/8440210936_2a6bc49a3b_o.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="Krampus 01"></a>

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    Um... this thread is for pics of RHs/Knards on something OTHER THAN a Krampus...

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    Vik - they are available. Might just be to "stocking dealers" though...

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    I haven't built up my wheel yet, but here's a pic of a Knard/Rabbit Hole on my Fargo. That's a Waltworks fork, built to the stock specs, except with clearance for fat tires.

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    Where are you guys getting RH+Knards a la carte without buying a Krampus frame?
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    My LBS ordered them; Q has them in stock (only the 27tpi Knards, the 120s aren't available yet).

    Have your LBS check stock at Q. If they say they can't get them, they may not be a "stocking dealer".

    They are available online at Universal too, if you don't have a local bike shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    Q has them in stock (only the 27tpi Knards, the 120s aren't available yet).

    Have your LBS check stock at Q. If they say they can't get them, they may not be a "stocking dealer".
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    Bought Rabbit Hole / Knard at my LBS. They laced it up to a Lefty hub and it fits reasonably well on a stock Lefty. A nice party piece for my Flash Carbon 29er SS

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    Inspires confidence through fast technical terrain. A little buzz on the stanchion when pushed hard. If you have a Lefty with P321 clamps you could swing them out a bit and dish the wheel to fix that.

    Need to get a mid-fat on the rear too, leaning towards a (geared) custom build...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Where are you guys getting RH+Knards a la carte without buying a Krampus frame?
    Not sure of availablilty, but NRG has had them listed for months. ME WANT THEMS!!

    I use my Pug as a rigid 29er in the summer, so the long-term plan is to get a set of 29+ rims and re-lace my hubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLONG View Post
    Not sure of availablilty, but NRG has had them listed for months. ME WANT THEMS!!

    I use my Pug as a rigid 29er in the summer, so the long-term plan is to get a set of 29+ rims and re-lace my hubs.
    I'll hold out for 120tpi tires anyways so I'm waiting no matter what! I've tried some Surly 27tpi beasts and they were ugly slow from the uber stiff carcass.

    Good luck with the Pugs 29+ build I'd love to see pics. I've considered that as well.
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    Problem is... by the time the 120s get into stock, all the rims will be gone. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    Problem is... by the time the 120s get into stock, all the rims will be gone. ;-)
    Being an early adopter has its challenges for sure.
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    I had planned a rigid 1x10 KM with RH rims and 29x2.4 Continental Mountain King tires if I did not get a Krampus...I would like to see one built like that, however the Krampus is still cooler

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    The Ups man just visited. The Knard on a Salsa Fargo (stock wheel still today) measures 2.5 at the casing, 2.8 at the outside knobs. Has .4 inch of clearance on both sides and two fingers worth of clearance up top. Still have room for my Nitto camper rack. Looks like I'm going to need a wider rim. I don't have time for pictures, I have to get a ride in before work.

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    It's not quite rabbit hole/knard not on a krampus, but if you have read some of the more recent Surly Blog entries, it appears that in some of the photos some of the Krampii have fox forks with the knard/rabbit hole.

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    I have a 120tpi Knard / Rabbit Hole on my Fargo at the moment. It's really smoothed out the rougher singletrack.

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    I posted some pics in the 29er forum Krampus thread of a Knard on a Stans Flow in a Rockshox Reba RLT.

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    I posted this on the Fat Bike forum, but my Vertigo Cycles titanium fat bike can accept a Surly Rabbit Hole rim mounted with a 29" Knard

    I've only done one ride, but I like it. Lots.


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    Last night I put on a cog that was 2 teeth smaller, and it kicked it out for more clearance.

    A bunch of folks have asked, but in the setup above, the chainstay length is 427mm. With the cog that is 2 teeth smaller, it kicks it out about 10mm more.
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    That thing is awesome Drevil.

    Finally got both wheels built. Just have to decide what 2.35/2.4 tire to put on the back.

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    GT Peace 9r with ODIS fork


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    29+ Mojo

    2009 Mojo C with Lefty 29+ front and 650b rear
    Now a little slacker and higher bb.
    Hoping for dry trails in a few days!

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    Jones Long Ranger w/Knard.

    This is interesting. I wonder if Surly will do something similar.

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    Ahh... finally the answer to my question. Thank you for starting this thread. I've been wondering if the rabbit hole rim and knard tire would fit on a karate monkey. Now I know

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    Don't have a picture but I tried a Knard/Rabbit Hole front in this Carver Carbon fork and it easily fit.

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    well, it works pretty well...not sure it will stay on, but its pretty cool to try...

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    Any pics of Rabbit Hole rims on On-One Inbreds? I'm trying to figure out if the rims will fit with a 2.4" tire.
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    Re: Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame

    Quote Originally Posted by zanq View Post
    Any pics of Rabbit Hole rims on On-One Inbreds? I'm trying to figure out if the rims will fit with a 2.4" tire.
    Should be fine. I've run skinnier tires on large marge with great results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    well, it works pretty well...not sure it will stay on, but its pretty cool to try...
    What's up with that fork? Where'd you get it?

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    Very curious to see if these will work on an Ogre. I'm trying to clear out some space in my stable and pad the wallet a little bit in hopes of getting an Ogre in the near future, and this could be an awesome first upgrade if things fall into place.
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    KramPug here

    It is superb to ride and although an inch higher BB now it still rides like a typical Pugsley and is real comfy, predictable and fun, but now rolls and rolls on the trails


    KramPug NB Law 016 by coastkid71, on Flickr

    I need a SURLY Tugnut to run the chain longer as the BMX sprocket will hit the track chain tug fitted this now so the wheels right forward...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    What's up with that fork? Where'd you get it?
    THat looks like the Jeff Jones fork. Why he built in that way, however, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    THat looks like the Jeff Jones fork. Why he built in that way, however, I don't know.
    It's very rigid for precise steering and has lots of clearance for big rubber up front.
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    krarate mompus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr S View Post
    I have a 120tpi Knard / Rabbit Hole on my Fargo at the moment. It's really smoothed out the rougher singletrack.

    Do you have any more pictures of this setup? I'm considering trying the same with my Fargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SocratesDiedTrolling View Post
    Do you have any more pictures of this setup? I'm considering trying the same with my Fargo.
    FYI: the RH/Knard from my Krampus will not fit in the fork of my Gen 1 Fargo.

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    Hey CoastKid, curious what steps you took to re-do the frameset since it comes stock PCd? Did you have to strip it right down to bare metal or just take off anytarnish and surface belms, rust etc? Want to re-powder my KM and was wondering since PC stripping is damn hard.
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    , on Flickr

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Hey CoastKid, curious what steps you took to re-do the frameset since it comes stock PCd? Did you have to strip it right down to bare metal or just take off anytarnish and surface belms, rust etc? Want to re-powder my KM and was wondering since PC stripping is damn hard.
    Hi, the guys where i got the frameset powder coated would have bead blasted the frameset before powder coating it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by coastkid71 View Post
    KramPug here

    It is superb to ride and although an inch higher BB now it still rides like a typical Pugsley and is real comfy, predictable and fun, but now rolls and rolls on the trails


    KramPug NB Law 016 by coastkid71, on Flickr
    The K-Pug looks great enjoy!
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    I take it the front end is raised up a bit with the Knard. Does it change the handling in any noticeable way?
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    I'm using the Salsa 26in disc only Chromoto for the front of my Knard bike. It's nice and short compared to most 29in forks, especially the Krampus fork.

    Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame-knardogo-2.jpg

    And the best damn LBS here has built a few wheelsets for 9zero7's, a RH set and a P35 shown here.

    Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame-paramount-k07.jpg

    The P35's build a really nice wheel, cheaper/stronger/lighter(suckitbontrager) than the RH without a big change in tire profile. The RHs do better at lower pressures as the Knard "muffin tops" sooner on the P35.
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    G-reg, is that a dynamo hub and an E3 Triple headlight??? Comments if so please! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    G-reg, is that a dynamo hub and an E3 Triple headlight??? Comments if so please! :-)
    It is a Supernova setup, I have some info in the build thread for the bike.

    On topic and related to the Supernova hub is that I built it into a Velocity P35. The flange to flange distance of the hub is pretty narrow and as a result the spoke bracing angle is pretty low. You'd have to cross lace at the rim with the Rabbit Hole's offset spoke holes for the spokes to have any angle.

    The bracing angle on centerlock xt front into a RH was pretty low too. I'd recommend that if you are using std disc 100mm front 135 rear hubs to use the P35s. As I said above I'm a fan of the P35s, but have built up a RH wheelset for myself too.

    The RHs are better at if using really low pressures, I haven't measured the pressure but the Knard/P35 does get a bit rolly when you running very low pressure. Like with the 907 posted above a 135mm front 170mm rear hubset builds a nice strong wheel with the RH. I assume "Krampug" users are building offset wheels into one side of the spoke holes.
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    Thanks muchly - well done sir! I'd seen the build thread before but hadn't mentally connected the dots...

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    A little delayed but I've got mine is mounted onto a Rhyno Lite rim and it clears the Ogres fork. Measures out to 2.9" across the knobs, haven't had a chance to take it out for a spin in the woods yet (waiting on a 2.4" rear tire to arrive)

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    Found a 2013 Salsa Mamasita frame on eBay. I built it up mostly to haul my 2yo around in his kid trailer. Knard with Krampus fork up front, Conti X King 2.4 out back. It rides like a dream! I'm used to my Mukluk with Bud & Lou, this feels like a Ferrari!

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