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    Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame

    Now that Rabbit Hole rims and Knard 29x3 tires are available individually, post your pics of Ogres, Karate Monkeys, and even non-Surly frames (gasp!) with 29+ tires and/or rims...

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    I didn't think you could buy them separate from a Krampus frame yet.
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    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33936975@N00/8440210540/" title="Krampus 02 by normbilt, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8463/8440210540_17e8b08f64_o.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="Krampus 02"></a>

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    Um... this thread is for pics of RHs/Knards on something OTHER THAN a Krampus...

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    Vik - they are available. Might just be to "stocking dealers" though...

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    I haven't built up my wheel yet, but here's a pic of a Knard/Rabbit Hole on my Fargo. That's a Waltworks fork, built to the stock specs, except with clearance for fat tires.

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    Where are you guys getting RH+Knards a la carte without buying a Krampus frame?
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    My LBS ordered them; Q has them in stock (only the 27tpi Knards, the 120s aren't available yet).

    Have your LBS check stock at Q. If they say they can't get them, they may not be a "stocking dealer".

    They are available online at Universal too, if you don't have a local bike shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    Q has them in stock (only the 27tpi Knards, the 120s aren't available yet).

    Have your LBS check stock at Q. If they say they can't get them, they may not be a "stocking dealer".
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    Bought Rabbit Hole / Knard at my LBS. They laced it up to a Lefty hub and it fits reasonably well on a stock Lefty. A nice party piece for my Flash Carbon 29er SS

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    Inspires confidence through fast technical terrain. A little buzz on the stanchion when pushed hard. If you have a Lefty with P321 clamps you could swing them out a bit and dish the wheel to fix that.

    Need to get a mid-fat on the rear too, leaning towards a (geared) custom build...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Where are you guys getting RH+Knards a la carte without buying a Krampus frame?
    Not sure of availablilty, but NRG has had them listed for months. ME WANT THEMS!!

    I use my Pug as a rigid 29er in the summer, so the long-term plan is to get a set of 29+ rims and re-lace my hubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLONG View Post
    Not sure of availablilty, but NRG has had them listed for months. ME WANT THEMS!!

    I use my Pug as a rigid 29er in the summer, so the long-term plan is to get a set of 29+ rims and re-lace my hubs.
    I'll hold out for 120tpi tires anyways so I'm waiting no matter what! I've tried some Surly 27tpi beasts and they were ugly slow from the uber stiff carcass.

    Good luck with the Pugs 29+ build I'd love to see pics. I've considered that as well.
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    Problem is... by the time the 120s get into stock, all the rims will be gone. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMN View Post
    Problem is... by the time the 120s get into stock, all the rims will be gone. ;-)
    Being an early adopter has its challenges for sure.
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    I had planned a rigid 1x10 KM with RH rims and 29x2.4 Continental Mountain King tires if I did not get a Krampus...I would like to see one built like that, however the Krampus is still cooler

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    The Ups man just visited. The Knard on a Salsa Fargo (stock wheel still today) measures 2.5 at the casing, 2.8 at the outside knobs. Has .4 inch of clearance on both sides and two fingers worth of clearance up top. Still have room for my Nitto camper rack. Looks like I'm going to need a wider rim. I don't have time for pictures, I have to get a ride in before work.

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    It's not quite rabbit hole/knard not on a krampus, but if you have read some of the more recent Surly Blog entries, it appears that in some of the photos some of the Krampii have fox forks with the knard/rabbit hole.

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    I have a 120tpi Knard / Rabbit Hole on my Fargo at the moment. It's really smoothed out the rougher singletrack.

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    I posted some pics in the 29er forum Krampus thread of a Knard on a Stans Flow in a Rockshox Reba RLT.

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    I posted this on the Fat Bike forum, but my Vertigo Cycles titanium fat bike can accept a Surly Rabbit Hole rim mounted with a 29" Knard

    I've only done one ride, but I like it. Lots.


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    Last night I put on a cog that was 2 teeth smaller, and it kicked it out for more clearance.

    A bunch of folks have asked, but in the setup above, the chainstay length is 427mm. With the cog that is 2 teeth smaller, it kicks it out about 10mm more.
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    That thing is awesome Drevil.

    Finally got both wheels built. Just have to decide what 2.35/2.4 tire to put on the back.

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    29+ Mojo

    2009 Mojo C with Lefty 29+ front and 650b rear
    Now a little slacker and higher bb.
    Hoping for dry trails in a few days!

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    Jones Long Ranger w/Knard.

    This is interesting. I wonder if Surly will do something similar.

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    Ahh... finally the answer to my question. Thank you for starting this thread. I've been wondering if the rabbit hole rim and knard tire would fit on a karate monkey. Now I know

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    Don't have a picture but I tried a Knard/Rabbit Hole front in this Carver Carbon fork and it easily fit.

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    well, it works pretty well...not sure it will stay on, but its pretty cool to try...

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    Any pics of Rabbit Hole rims on On-One Inbreds? I'm trying to figure out if the rims will fit with a 2.4" tire.
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    Re: Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame

    Quote Originally Posted by zanq View Post
    Any pics of Rabbit Hole rims on On-One Inbreds? I'm trying to figure out if the rims will fit with a 2.4" tire.
    Should be fine. I've run skinnier tires on large marge with great results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    well, it works pretty well...not sure it will stay on, but its pretty cool to try...
    What's up with that fork? Where'd you get it?

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    Very curious to see if these will work on an Ogre. I'm trying to clear out some space in my stable and pad the wallet a little bit in hopes of getting an Ogre in the near future, and this could be an awesome first upgrade if things fall into place.
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    KramPug here

    It is superb to ride and although an inch higher BB now it still rides like a typical Pugsley and is real comfy, predictable and fun, but now rolls and rolls on the trails


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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    What's up with that fork? Where'd you get it?
    THat looks like the Jeff Jones fork. Why he built in that way, however, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    THat looks like the Jeff Jones fork. Why he built in that way, however, I don't know.
    It's very rigid for precise steering and has lots of clearance for big rubber up front.
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    krarate mompus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr S View Post
    I have a 120tpi Knard / Rabbit Hole on my Fargo at the moment. It's really smoothed out the rougher singletrack.

    Do you have any more pictures of this setup? I'm considering trying the same with my Fargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SocratesDiedTrolling View Post
    Do you have any more pictures of this setup? I'm considering trying the same with my Fargo.
    FYI: the RH/Knard from my Krampus will not fit in the fork of my Gen 1 Fargo.

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    Hey CoastKid, curious what steps you took to re-do the frameset since it comes stock PCd? Did you have to strip it right down to bare metal or just take off anytarnish and surface belms, rust etc? Want to re-powder my KM and was wondering since PC stripping is damn hard.
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    , on Flickr

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Hey CoastKid, curious what steps you took to re-do the frameset since it comes stock PCd? Did you have to strip it right down to bare metal or just take off anytarnish and surface belms, rust etc? Want to re-powder my KM and was wondering since PC stripping is damn hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coastkid71 View Post
    KramPug here

    It is superb to ride and although an inch higher BB now it still rides like a typical Pugsley and is real comfy, predictable and fun, but now rolls and rolls on the trails


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    The K-Pug looks great enjoy!
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    I take it the front end is raised up a bit with the Knard. Does it change the handling in any noticeable way?
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    I'm using the Salsa 26in disc only Chromoto for the front of my Knard bike. It's nice and short compared to most 29in forks, especially the Krampus fork.

    Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame-knardogo-2.jpg

    And the best damn LBS here has built a few wheelsets for 9zero7's, a RH set and a P35 shown here.

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    The P35's build a really nice wheel, cheaper/stronger/lighter(suckitbontrager) than the RH without a big change in tire profile. The RHs do better at lower pressures as the Knard "muffin tops" sooner on the P35.
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    G-reg, is that a dynamo hub and an E3 Triple headlight??? Comments if so please! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    G-reg, is that a dynamo hub and an E3 Triple headlight??? Comments if so please! :-)
    It is a Supernova setup, I have some info in the build thread for the bike.

    On topic and related to the Supernova hub is that I built it into a Velocity P35. The flange to flange distance of the hub is pretty narrow and as a result the spoke bracing angle is pretty low. You'd have to cross lace at the rim with the Rabbit Hole's offset spoke holes for the spokes to have any angle.

    The bracing angle on centerlock xt front into a RH was pretty low too. I'd recommend that if you are using std disc 100mm front 135 rear hubs to use the P35s. As I said above I'm a fan of the P35s, but have built up a RH wheelset for myself too.

    The RHs are better at if using really low pressures, I haven't measured the pressure but the Knard/P35 does get a bit rolly when you running very low pressure. Like with the 907 posted above a 135mm front 170mm rear hubset builds a nice strong wheel with the RH. I assume "Krampug" users are building offset wheels into one side of the spoke holes.
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    Thanks muchly - well done sir! I'd seen the build thread before but hadn't mentally connected the dots...

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    A little delayed but I've got mine is mounted onto a Rhyno Lite rim and it clears the Ogres fork. Measures out to 2.9" across the knobs, haven't had a chance to take it out for a spin in the woods yet (waiting on a 2.4" rear tire to arrive)

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    Found a 2013 Salsa Mamasita frame on eBay. I built it up mostly to haul my 2yo around in his kid trailer. Knard with Krampus fork up front, Conti X King 2.4 out back. It rides like a dream! I'm used to my Mukluk with Bud & Lou, this feels like a Ferrari!

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    As I needed a new set of wheels for my XC bike, I decided to transfer the wheels from my Karate Monkey over to the XC bike and build up a set of Rabbit Holes with a 120 tpi Knard on the front and a Conti X-King 2.4 protection on the rear for the KM. The rims will be laced to Superstar Hubs (dedicated SS in the rear). I'm picking up the rims and tyres tomorrow and will then drop them off together with the hubs at a mates place that will build them up for me.

    Will definitely convert to tubeless and will post pics once the wheels are on the KM.
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    Mamapus.

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    Superstar hubs laced to Rabbit Holes, converted to tubeless and now doing duty on my Karate Monkey.





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    oh yeah, that's gotta happen to my KM.

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    Yup, that's the plan for my Money as well, but will be going for some Blunt 35s instead. Know I want the Knard upfront, but not sure what I'll be running outback, guess that'll depend on just how much grip/traction the Knard provides.
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    Superstar hubs laced to Rabbit Holes, converted to tubeless and now doing duty on my Karate Monkey.

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    What about running the new Velocity Dually instead of the Blunt35

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    Re: Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame

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    What about running the new Velocity Dually instead of the Blunt35

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    If agree. Blunt 35 is too narrow for a knard. I don't like that much tire squirm. From pics I've seen that tire gets very squeezed in the b35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    What about running the new Velocity Dually instead of the Blunt35

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    Unless you're concerned about the strength of the Rabbit Hole, and I haven't heard of anyone trashing one, I'm not sure I see a compelling reason to choose the Dually instead of Surly's rim. The weight difference is less than 25g. Possibly easier to setup tubeless?

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    Knard in the rear of the Karate Monkey

    Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame-image-2.jpgKnard fits in the rear of my Karate Monkey on a 25mm rim. I just need to add a few links to the chain because it only spins freely when the hub is at the back of the track dropouts (outer knobs brush the chainstay where the wheel is slightly out of true at stock chain length). This is a size large 20" 2011 Karate Monkey.

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    Now THAT is interesting... fingers crossed that the Dirt Wizard will fit without issue!

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    Let's see some chainstay pics.

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    Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame-image.jpgPics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame-image.jpgPics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame-image.jpgPics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame-image.jpg

    Looks like 2-3 mm on each side. You can see that the tire is pretty curved on this narrow rim- probably not adequate for serious offroad shredding but I'm guessing it could handle lighter cruising.
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    Has anyone tried a Knard in a new RockShox Pike? I'm thinking Dirt Wizard when they're available but I'd do a Knard right now if it would fit Can anyone test fit one at a shop, or something? I have a pair of the new 29x35mm Derby rims they'll be going on...

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    So it looks like a couple guys are running knard fronts at this point. What are the general impressions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstews View Post
    Let's see some chainstay pics.
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    Re: Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame

    Quote Originally Posted by Jstews View Post
    So it looks like a couple guys are running knard fronts at this point. What are the general impressions?
    Running Kris Holm uni rims here, but I've had the Knard up front for 8 months now.
    Running the On-One chunky monkey in the rear (so fitting for the KM)
    Its rad. Weight isn't a biggie, but the cush and cornering are off the chart for what I ride in CO.

    Just my .02
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    Quote Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    If agree. Blunt 35 is too narrow for a knard. I don't like that much tire squirm. From pics I've seen that tire gets very squeezed in the b35.
    Blunt 35 is not too narrow. I've been running Blunt/Knard combo up front for several months now (ghetto tubeless). I have no issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jstews View Post
    So it looks like a couple guys are running knard fronts at this point. What are the general impressions?
    It is a bit heavy, but well-worth it. Compliance bombing through rock gardens and cornering traction is awesome. Not as plush as a true fat front set up, but I feel it's a lot more nimble feeling than my old 3.8" set up.

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    Re: Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame

    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Blunt 35 is not too narrow. I've been running Blunt/Knard combo up front for several months now (ghetto tubeless). I have no issues.
    You don't have any issues with tire roll in corners? If not, what psi are you running?

    If no tire roll, this might me a good consideration for my km with my p35 in the front.

    I don't buy it though. My 26 inch Knards on wide 47 mm neon rims have way too much roll at the pressures I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    You don't have any issues with tire roll in corners? If not, what psi are you running?

    If no tire roll, this might me a good consideration for my km with my p35 in the front.

    I don't buy it though. My 26 inch Knards on wide 47 mm neon rims have way too much roll at the pressures I like.

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    I ran my Knards on the older narrower Flow rims for several months and didn't have any issue. Blunt 35's would be fine and Surly agrees.

    I like the feel of the Knards on RHs better than on the Flows, but I wouldn't hesitate to run them on some Blunt 35s.
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    Re: Pics of Rabbit Hole and/or Knard on non-Krampus frame

    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I ran my Knards on the older narrower Flow rims for several months and didn't have any issue. Blunt 35's would be fine and Surly agrees.

    I like the feel of the Knards on RHs better than on the Flows, but I wouldn't hesitate to run them on some Blunt 35s.
    Wait! I'm an idiot. My Knards are 3.8s. That is my tire roll issue! But still the damn things are on a 47mm. what gives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    What pressure do you guys like using?

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    I can't give you an exact pressure as I don't pay attention to that. I inflate the tires so I get some vertical deflection when I am riding. It's easy to eyeball the correct pressure and I leave it alone for a week or two until I notice the pressure has dropped enough to add some air.
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    Vik, see my repost too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    Vik, see my repost too.

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    Ah got it. I'm talking 29 x 3" Knards.

    Seems like you should be okay with 4: 26er tires on a 47mm tire. Lots of folks are running that size combo and the Knards aren't anything unusual in the fat tire world.

    I don't know what the issue is.
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    My TreeHugger with my Krampus fork with mounts and my Knard. Tubeless of course.

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    The server crash killed my earlier Pics, so to Re-Pic-Whore, here's the "Knardgo" (Fargo w/Knards...get it, it's clever)




    Ran it like that with drop bars/gears/P35 rims. But I also built up a SS Rabit Hole wheelset, and bombed around with those wheels and a flat bar. And holy hell, big wheels/SS is what riding a bike for fun is all about. But I found the clearance in the rear with the RHs a bit lacking at anything other than with the adjustable dropouts run full out.

    So a dedicated Knard/RH SS build was demanded. I recently raced it at the Chequamegon 40 and it was the most fun I've had racing a bike in years. The fork is a Salsa 26in Chromoto, PLENTY of clearance all around for those looking to retrofit to an existing frame. I really hate suspension corrected forks in general, and that goes Eleventeen% more for bikes I will never use a fork on. The 26in disc only chromoto is 1.5in shorter than the Krampus fork. The frame has a 1in lower BB and about 1in shorter chainstays than a Krampus. It handles great, an unanticipated negative was that moving that big ass rear wheel in that far with a lower BB had me buzzing my calves on the side knobs of the rear tire.

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    Wow, ~16.7" CS on a Knard... I would kill for a ride on that thing.

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    OK, new guy here, and maybe I missed it in the previous posts, but will these fit an Ogre if I go Rohloff and run it back? I'm new to this MORE RUBBER!! deal, but liking the idea.

    I see one Karate Monkey with a tight fit with the Knards on 25mm rims. I'm assuming that profile would change with a Velo 35 or the RH 50s. Would that be enough? Or am I doomed to a new frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbbob View Post
    OK, new guy here, and maybe I missed it in the previous posts, but will these fit an Ogre if I go Rohloff and run it back? I'm new to this MORE RUBBER!! deal, but liking the idea.
    I would assume not. The fit on the one KM I saw was marginal with narrow rims.

    Let's put it this way. On my purpose built Krampus - Knards with Rabbit Holes don't have a ton of clearance at the sides with the chainstays. It's a lot of rubber to squeeze into a frame with a normal width BB.

    Now if you own an Ogre there is no harm in building up the wheels and trying. They don't need to be special to swap from Ogre to Krampus/ECR.

    BTW - if you are buying a new Rohloff for this project get the one with the threaded axle....they play nicer with Surly horizontal dropouts than the QR version. Also get yourself a Monkey Bone disc brake adapter.
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    Thanks for the input, Vik. Yeah, own an Ogre already, and have enjoyed it. Sounds like I'd better order an ECR or Krampus frame, and figure out what stays and what goes.

    Why the Monkey Bone, when Surly claims that Ogre and ECR are Rohloff ready?

    Also, I've got two wheel sets for the Ogre right now, but would probably be divorced back to my Ancestors if I tried to sneak in two Rohloffs. This begs the question....

    Rabbit Holes, or something like 35's ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbbob View Post
    Thanks for the input, Vik. Yeah, own an Ogre already, and have enjoyed it. Sounds like I'd better order an ECR or Krampus frame, and figure out what stays and what goes.

    Why the Monkey Bone, when Surly claims that Ogre and ECR are Rohloff ready?

    Also, I've got two wheel sets for the Ogre right now, but would probably be divorced back to my Ancestors if I tried to sneak in two Rohloffs. This begs the question....

    Rabbit Holes, or something like 35's ??
    Sorry the Monkey Bone is for the Krampus. You just need the OEM2 axle plate on the Ogre/ECR.

    If you want to run "skinny" 29er rubber get the Velocity Blunt 35s.

    If you want to run 29+ most or all the time get the Rabbit Holes.

    You can run 2.4" 29er rubber on RHs if you want to. I'd skip the 2.2" rubber on such wide rims.

    Personally I don't see myself ever wanting skinny rubber on my Krampus.
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    anyone familiar with a rabbit hole/racing ralph 2.4 collaboration fitting on a karate monkey?

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    I just built up a Velocity Dually with a Knard. I haven't had a chance to take a real ride on it yet, but I did play around in the woods a little and it is awesome!

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    So i put my Knard on RH rim on the front of my Ogre, fits fine, i put my a 2.25 Nobby Nic on my rear RH also on the Ogre, i plan on getting a 2.4 ARdent on there shortly.





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    Just changed over to the Ardent 2.4" and Jones bar, just sayin....



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    [QUOTE=SteveJfromtheSwitch;10744449]Just changed over to the Ardent 2.4" and Jones bar, just sayin....

    Nice, Steve.

    Have you had it in mud yet? Any chain issues? Also, what front rack are you running on the pics on the previous post?

    Did the Jones bar as well on my Ogre, and like it. Also found micro shift thumbs through Amazon for a good price, hated the stock shifters.

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    nah i've only ridden it on rail trails. Front rack is the Salsa Minimalist, i like it.

    love the Jones bar!

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    That is one really sweet Ogre SteveJ!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-reg View Post
    The server crash killed my earlier Pics, so to Re-Pic-Whore, here's the "Knardgo" (Fargo w/Knards...get it, it's clever)




    Ran it like that with drop bars/gears/P35 rims. But I also built up a SS Rabit Hole wheelset, and bombed around with those wheels and a flat bar. And holy hell, big wheels/SS is what riding a bike for fun is all about. But I found the clearance in the rear with the RHs a bit lacking at anything other than with the adjustable dropouts run full out.

    So a dedicated Knard/RH SS build was demanded. I recently raced it at the Chequamegon 40 and it was the most fun I've had racing a bike in years. The fork is a Salsa 26in Chromoto, PLENTY of clearance all around for those looking to retrofit to an existing frame. I really hate suspension corrected forks in general, and that goes Eleventeen% more for bikes I will never use a fork on. The 26in disc only chromoto is 1.5in shorter than the Krampus fork. The frame has a 1in lower BB and about 1in shorter chainstays than a Krampus. It handles great, an unanticipated negative was that moving that big ass rear wheel in that far with a lower BB had me buzzing my calves on the side knobs of the rear tire.

    Loving the look of this build :-)

    I don't suppose you have a pic (from the front) of the Knard on the Rabbit Hole in the Cromoto?

    Looking to try a Knard (on a Flow rim) in the front of my non suspension corrected Fortitude.

    Any info would be much appreciated :-)
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    Let me look and see if I've any RH'd fork shots. It's the same fork in all of those pics, and as is common KnardKnowledge the max width of the tire really doesn't change much from the P35 to the RH.
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    Thank you Squire :-)
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    Anyone know the width of either a Ralph 2.35 or Conti 2.4 sitting on a RH rim...?

    Don't know wether to go with the above or a Knard on a thinner rim, P35 perhaps...

    Going in a SIR.9 frame by the way.

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    Anyone know the width of either a Ralph 2.35 or Conti 2.4 sitting on a RH rim...?

    Don't know wether to go with the above or a Knard on a thinner rim, P35 perhaps...

    Going in a SIR.9 frame by the way.
    You should be able to find all the answers here:
    http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/your...e_looks_knardy

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    Wow. Feels like they wrote that article for me. :-)

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    I mounted a 27 tpi Knard on Stan's ArchEX rim on my Soma Juice. Love the knard up front, but this tire begs for a wider rim. I'm leaning toward building up a rabbit hole front wheel. Fork is a 26" Nashbar steel rigid with canti mounts ground off that I had lying in the parts bin. The axle to crown is a little shorter than the frame was designed for, but the Knard almost makes up for the difference.

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    Hi guys! I installed the Knard 27tpi on the rear wheel of my Karate Monkey. While it technically fits when I push the axle all the way to the back I dont think this really works. There's about 3mm of space between the wheel and the chain stays. Because the steel frame flexes so much the Knard still scrapes on the chain stays when pedaling hard on in turns. Also mud and snow will quickly clog up the space. I only did a little 50km trip on mostly just slightly muddy ground though. The grip even on very wet mud puddles was fantastic though I have now installed the Knard on my front wheel, which of course works fine.

    Here are a couple of pics, article is only in German, though: Surly Knard 3.0 im Karate Monkey Bikelog Mountainbike Blog


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    Knards on an SE Stout

    Just finished putting a set of Knards on the SE Stout (single speed 29er).

    No surprise the front had clearance to spare. The rear was very close.
    I dimpled the stays a little bit to give me a little more clearance in the rear. The frame seems to be all over-sized straight steel tubing so I wasn't concerned about compromising the structure in this case. The only issue I ran into was I flattened the outside of the tube on one of the lower stays before I perfected the dimpling technique.

    Everything fits and is working great. Right now I'm running on 25mm rims and I'm 210lbs....haven't rolled them yet.........

    I would imagine if I upgrade to the rabbit hole rims I may run into some additional clearance issues in the rear. Works for now! I love the feel of these tires - a lot of fun to ride!


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    The color of that SE almost makes it look like a Krampus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_H View Post
    The rear was very close.
    I dimpled the stays a little bit to give me a little more clearance in the rear. The frame seems to be all over-sized straight steel tubing so I wasn't concerned about compromising the structure in this case. The only issue I ran into was I flattened the outside of the tube on one of the lower stays before I perfected the dimpling technique.
    Nice work. Can you post some close up pics of the clearance where you dimpled the frame and at the top of the seatstays?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Nice work. Can you post some close up pics of the clearance where you dimpled the frame and at the top of the seatstays?
    Sure- it's not a perfect job, but it worked. A little difficult to a good picture with the wheels on the bike. There is a little more clearance than the pictures indicate...but not too much more. At the chain stays is the tightest fit, I have about 3/16" on each side of the tire- I would like to have a little more in that area, but I'm going to ride it for awhile before I make anymore changes.

    Still need to touch up the paint in a few areas where it chipped out.

    Later!

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