Ogre Build Thread

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  • 12-14-2011
    slimhazy
    Ogre Build Thread
    Didn't mean to mislead anyone! ;)

    I've been Googling "Surly Ogre Build" for a week now, waiting for someone to show one off. Finally found one:

    Surly Ogre Winterproof’d from Salvagetti Bicycle Workshop.

    I know nothing about Salvagetti and live nowhere near Denver, but that's a nice looking build and they have some other Surly bikes on their site.

    I'm considering moving the complete setup from my Commuter Monkey to an Ogre frame.

    Anyone else have an Ogre built up?
  • 12-14-2011
    slimhazy
    oops...
  • 12-14-2011
    Way
    Thanks for the link. First build I've seen - Would love to see more of the Ogre. Been agonizing over getting an Ogre or a Jabberwocky, especially with the Vassago sale going on, making it $200 less than the Ogre. But it's definitely less versatile than the Ogre.
  • 12-15-2011
    mikeyharing
    That looks awesome. I have a frameset on order, my LBS told me the availability date was today, but I'm kinda doubting that's the case, since 20" frames aren't available online. Hopefully I'll be posting it soon though!
  • 12-15-2011
    co_Intense
    That's my bike ... picking it up tomorrow and I'm really psyched. Salvagetti has been great to work with. I had a very specific build in mind and they patiently guided me through all the options and choices.
  • 12-15-2011
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Way View Post
    Thanks for the link. First build I've seen - Would love to see more of the Ogre. Been agonizing over getting an Ogre or a Jabberwocky, especially with the Vassago sale going on, making it $200 less than the Ogre. But it's definitely less versatile than the Ogre.

    No fork though, so once you add $117 for the matching fork, you're up to $483, which is only $42 less than the Ogre.
  • 12-15-2011
    slimhazy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by co_Intense View Post
    That's my bike ... picking it up tomorrow and I'm really psyched. Salvagetti has been great to work with. I had a very specific build in mind and they patiently guided me through all the options and choices.

    Congrats! :thumbsup: We eagerly await your ride impressions and photos!
  • 12-15-2011
    mattchuck2
    That's a very nice looking bike. Thinking about getting a frame just because it's so versatile. I was actually toying with the idea of a drop bar single speed with flip flop rear hub to start with. Drops look good on it. I'm anxiously awaiting the ride report, too.
  • 12-17-2011
    co_Intense
    Picked it up yesterday but have only put a couple miles on it. So far so good. It's very comfortable and is a very smooth ride. It's definitely the heaviest bike I own but that was expected, especially with the full racks, studded tires, etc.

    Unfortunately I'll only be commuting on Monday and then head out of town for the week, so it may be a while before I have some real input on the bike. If anyone has specific questions let me know & I'll do my best to answer them.
  • 12-17-2011
    Way
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by co_Intense View Post
    Picked it up yesterday but have only put a couple miles on it. So far so good. It's very comfortable and is a very smooth ride. It's definitely the heaviest bike I own but that was expected, especially with the full racks, studded tires, etc.

    Unfortunately I'll only be commuting on Monday and then head out of town for the week, so it may be a while before I have some real input on the bike. If anyone has specific questions let me know & I'll do my best to answer them.

    Congrats on the new Ogre. I will probably getting one and piecing it together slowly. But I do want an Alfined one, similar to yours. Hows that front hub working out?
  • 12-19-2011
    Dalton
    I finally ordered up some parts last week, so I'll have my brakes, stem, seat post, levers, and headset today. Now I need to order up my rims and crank and I'll get to building this thing. Its going to be my commuter. I'll start up a thread at some point.
  • 12-29-2011
    co_Intense
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Way View Post
    But I do want an Alfined one, similar to yours. Hows that front hub working out?

    Front hub is great - I really don't notice it. The E3 front light (asymmetrical) is good but it's taken a bit to get used to (and adjust) the light beam. As many folks have noted it dims quite a bit while stopped. The rear light hasn't impressed me too much. I think it's bright if you're directly behind it, but otherwise it is almost non-existent. My PB Superflash went on right away to 'supplement' it.

    My other feedback on this, none of which is Ogre specific:
    * The JTek shifter is great - I love it
    * The rear hub has needed adjustment every 5-10 miles so far. I'm really hoping things will settle in.
    * This is my first bike with fenders and I'm not fond of them.
  • 12-31-2011
    mikeyharing
    OK, here's the somewhat overdue and anti-climactic completed build. I still have to add racks, cages, computer, etc. etc, but it's ridable for now.









    Took it for a spin down the alley, felt great, but I need to dial in the brakes a lot. I didn't find the BB7s as easy to install as I thought they would be, so I'll take it to the shop and get some professional help. Everything else came together pretty smoothly though. I've got skinny tires on it for now for commuting, it's going to be a long, long time before it sees any singletrack.:mad:
  • 12-31-2011
    Larry Endomorph
    Very, very nice.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    I didn't find the BB7s as easy to install as I thought they would be, so I'll take it to the shop and get some professional help.

    I found this very helpful in learning to adjust BB7s:
    Park Tool Co. » ParkTool Blog » Avid® Mechanical Disc Adjustment

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    I've got skinny tires on it for now for commuting

    Consider some Schwalbe Big Apples for commuting.
  • 12-31-2011
    CBizzie
    SWEET Mikey!!....look at all of those braze ons!....those forks look like a couple of octopus legs! - I am jealous....looks like a bikepacker's dream:thumbsup:
  • 12-31-2011
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Larry Endomorph View Post
    Very, very nice.


    I found this very helpful in learning to adjust BB7s:
    Park Tool Co. » ParkTool Blog » Avid® Mechanical Disc Adjustment


    Consider some Schwalbe Big Apples for commuting.

    Thanks for the tip! I have kind of a weird work situation, I'm commuting about 30 miles a day now, but very likely in 3 or 4 weeks I'll be moving across the country and the bikes will have to go in storage for a few months. After that, I'll have to re-evaluate what I'll need for commuting, recreation etc, but for now I'm just going to throw a rack on it and call it good. Hopefully this time year I'll be trekking across the desert on my Ogre.
  • 12-31-2011
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CBizzie View Post
    SWEET Mikey!!....look at all of those braze ons!....those forks look like a couple of octopus legs! - I am jealous....looks like a bikepacker's dream:thumbsup:

    Thanks! Yeah, they are pretty crazy. Someday I'll have a use for all the brazeons.

  • 12-31-2011
    slimhazy
    Nice build!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    I've got skinny tires on it for now for commuting, it's going to be a long, long time before it sees any singletrack.:mad:

    . Dunno, I kinda linke the Old-Skool skin wall look...
  • 12-31-2011
    bolandjd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slimhazy View Post
    Nice build!

    . Dunno, I kinda linke the Old-Skool skin wall look...

    Ditto!:thumbsup: Love the skin walls. What tires are those anyway?
  • 12-31-2011
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    Ditto!:thumbsup: Love the skin walls. What tires are those anyway?

    Thanks! They are NOS Specialized Tri-Cross 700x45's. As far as I can tell, they haven't been made since the '90s.
  • 01-01-2012
    Sac29
    Very, VERY nice Mikey! You've tipped my scale, plus my LBS has come through with an attractive deal on a IGH... What drive train are you running ? Especially up front...

    Happy New Year!
  • 01-01-2012
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sac29 View Post
    Very, VERY nice Mikey! You've tipped my scale, plus my LBS has come through with an attractive deal on a IGH... What drive train are you running ? Especially up front...

    Happy New Year!

    Hey thanks! Happy new years to you too. It's just a 1x9 SLX setup, I might bolt on the other chainrings, I just wanted to try it like this first. The crank is a Race Face Ride with a bashguard, nothing too special but it was cheap and looked decent.
  • 01-01-2012
    Careby
    Mikey, is that a 20" bought as a frameset? I am trying to sort out the rumors, and I'd read that complete Ogres were showing up with the extra braze-ons, but didn't know the framesets were yet. I am waiting to order a 20" until I can be confident of getting the new version. Great news if the waiting is over! Nice build. I'm planning an Alfine 8 rear hub with SLX double crankset.
  • 01-02-2012
    mikeyharing
    Yes, I bought it as a frameset. I "ordered" it two days after Thanksgiving, basically I had my LBS order it, but it took until Dec. 16 or so before it was actually in stock. When I ordered it, I had no idea that they were going to start making them with the extras, so I just got lucky. I'm pretty sure that if you order one now, it'll come like that, if you can find someplace that has them in stock.
  • 01-02-2012
    thomasbien
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    Hey Mikey, the Ogre looks great. I really like the green.

    I'm almost done building up my new Karate Monkey. Last night I wired my brakes. Did you consider running your front brake cable behind the fork?

    I thought the upper housing mount on the KM fork (same fork as Ogre sans braze ons?) was angled with the intention to pass housing between downtube and fork on its way to the lever. It seems to be a good path for the housing without any contact to the headtube.
  • 01-03-2012
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thomasbien View Post
    Hey Mikey, the Ogre looks great. I really like the green.

    I'm almost done building up my new Karate Monkey. Last night I wired my brakes. Did you consider running your front brake cable behind the fork?

    I thought the upper housing mount on the KM fork (same fork as Ogre sans braze ons?) was angled with the intention to pass housing between downtube and fork on its way to the lever. It seems to be a good path for the housing without any contact to the headtube.

    Thanks for the tip. This is my first time installing discs, and I tend to just look at things and think, "hey maybe this should go there." I hadn't thought of routing it under the DT. Looking at the pictures, it seems like it would work, unless it interefered with fenders or bigger tires?

    Do you have any pictures of yours?
  • 01-03-2012
    studuck
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    My Ogre build - over here in the UK!

    Sorry the picture isn't great - crap cameraphone. Will post some more pics later.

    I went for the Ogre as I needed a bike that I could use with a childseat and my 2yr old boy (including maybe some overnight trips) and that I could use as a proper mtb. I got rid of two steel Kona 26" hardtails to get this bike. I bought the Ogre as a frameset and where possible transferred components from the other bikes.

    Spec is:
    Either Ogre fork or Suntour Raidon with 15mm through axles
    Hope Pro2 Evo front hub (withy 15mm adaptors) on Mavic A119 rims
    Hope XC rear hub on A119 rim (this hub is now on it's 5th bike)
    Thomson stem and seatpost
    Brooks B17 saddle
    Avid BB7/XT levers
    XT rapid ride rear mech, LX front mech 8 speed Alivio shifters
    Alivio cranks
    Blackburn rear rack/CoPilot Limo childseat
    Blackburn MTF front rack
    Bontrager MudX Tyres/not sure what road tyres to use, currently Conti Top Touring
  • 01-03-2012
    mikeyharing
    That looks great! I especially like the brick wall;) I will also be carting my 2 yr old around on mine, I'm a little worried about the clearance though. I haven't set it up yet. Have you tried yours out?
  • 01-03-2012
    studuck
    The saddle pack is a little tight around the little one's crotch shall we say :) The rack struts were adjusted to fit the old bike which had more clearance. I have just got some new struts (from a Topeak rack) which are longer so will fit those. these will give more clearance - I think the problem is down to the struts and the seat angle as the bottom mounting point for the rack is 2cm further back from the bottom bracket than on the old bike so in theory should give more clearance (you may notice the rack isn't quite level).

    Anyhows, I have done a couple fo rides with my son and he doesn't care!

    Stu
  • 01-03-2012
    thomasbien
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    Do you have any pictures of yours?

    Sure, I'm almost done with my build. Here are some pics.
  • 01-03-2012
    slimhazy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Larry Endomorph View Post
    Consider some Schwalbe Big Apples for commuting.

    Love my Big Apples for commuting on my KM. Big Apples plus Planet Bike Cascadia 29er fenders keep me riding plush and dry. I only commute occasionally and it's short, but my exercise rides on pavement are awesome on BAs.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by studuck View Post
    My Ogre build - over here in the UK!

    I like it studuck! :thumbsup: Let us know how it handles with the suspension fork!
  • 01-04-2012
    Careby
    When I first saw the Ogre on Surly's website, I knew it was the bike for me. Even the color was perfect. All I had to do was wait patiently for a frameset to be available. But then, while I was waiting, I ran across a 2011 Karate Monkey complete (gray single speed) on closeout for $800. I couldn't pass that up, and it was ALMOST the Ogre that I really wanted... It's a great bike, and I have already added gears and moved the single speed parts to an old frame I had (a 2001 Schwinn Sierra 700 GS). Then I start hearing about the "extra" braze ons on the Ogres and I get to thinking about how I really need both bikes, so I decided to buy a frame as soon as I could find one. But then I started thinking about how the KM and Ogre have the same geometry, and wondering if it makes sense to have two bikes so similar. And I worried that the Ogre/KM chainstays might be a little short for touring. So I gave the Salsa Fargo, which was what I wanted before I saw the Ogre, another look. Then naturally I started comparing it to the Long Haul Trucker and Vaya... All four bikes are so similar but so different. Long story short, I ordered a Fargo frame yesterday. My Ogre build will have to wait for another day.
  • 01-04-2012
    bolandjd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Careby View Post
    When I first saw the Ogre on Surly's website, I knew it was the bike for me. Even the color was perfect. All I had to do was wait patiently for a frameset to be available. But then, while I was waiting, I ran across a 2011 Karate Monkey complete (gray single speed) on closeout for $800. I couldn't pass that up, and it was ALMOST the Ogre that I really wanted... It's a great bike, and I have already added gears and moved the single speed parts to an old frame I had (a 2001 Schwinn Sierra 700 GS). Then I start hearing about the "extra" braze ons on the Ogres and I get to thinking about how I really need both bikes, so I decided to buy a frame as soon as I could find one. But then I started thinking about how the KM and Ogre have the same geometry, and wondering if it makes sense to have two bikes so similar. And I worried that the Ogre/KM chainstays might be a little short for touring. So I gave the Salsa Fargo, which was what I wanted before I saw the Ogre, another look. Then naturally I started comparing it to the Long Haul Trucker and Vaya... All four bikes are so similar but so different. Long story short, I ordered a Fargo frame yesterday. My Ogre build will have to wait for another day.

    Oh yeah, I think you're totally on point. Not a whole lot of difference between the pre-2012 KMs and the Ogre. In fact, without any insider knowledge at all, I'll bet Surly stripped down the KM for 2012 because the Ogre sort of carries the torch as the versatile, do everything 29er that the KM used to be. But unless you have a Rolhoff hub or a BOB trailer or a set of old big $ custom touring racks that need braze-ons to mount, the old KM is pretty much the same bike as the Ogre. Aside from the color, of course.

    I think you could justify having both an Ogre and KM, especially if you had them set up differently. Say, one SS with a squish fork for singletrack and the other rigid and racked for commuting/touring. But the Fargo is obviously great for any sort of geared riding and KM/Fargo is going to be an awesome combo. You're going to have a fun 2012. :thumbsup:
  • 01-04-2012
    JAMarco1
    I agree with Careby. The first time I saw the Ogre I knew I had to have it, but now that I'm counting my pennies and determining what I actually need I think I might just go with the KM even if it is only 60 bucks cheaper. The KM still has eyelets for a rear rack if I need it I just wont have all the Braze-ons on the fork... But looking at the pictures I dont know if I want all of the holes in the fork anyway. I guess when it's all said and done I just want a 29er that I can install full coverage fenders on... But I love that Army Green!!
  • 01-04-2012
    likes_to_roam
    The Ogre is so far my "dream bike." Rode the Karate Monkey for a few years and ran into one issue after another. The KM is a "do all bike," but! It doesn't do it all well at the same time. The Ogre has saved the day. With one exception, my old front fender doesn't fit up inside the fork, its too narrow. I'll live though. Pretty much, the KM should be discontinued.
  • 01-05-2012
    bolandjd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by likes_to_roam View Post
    Pretty much, the KM should be discontinued.

    Discontinue the granddaddy of 29ers? No way. Have you noticed how the latest trend in 29er geometry is to make the chainstays as short as possible? Which is pretty much what the KM has had since 2004. KM is still a very relavent bike.

    (Sorry for the off-topic post)
  • 01-05-2012
    JAMarco1
    Welp
    just ordered my Ogre!! So pumped it's supposed to ship on the 11th....
  • 01-09-2012
    JAMarco1
    So,
    I plan on building up my Ogre on the cheap with the parts from my 2010 GF Paragon, but I'm already thinking of parts I want to switch out... The first thing I want to change is the Wheelset. I know I want and 36h XT wheelset but for versitility sake should I get disk/ rim such as this
    Tree Fort Bikes - Online Bicycle Parts and Accessories, Bicycle Tools and Maintenance
    or, just stick with the disk brakes???
  • 01-09-2012
    Saddle Up
    The obvious answer if you already own a KM would be to get a Troll.
  • 01-11-2012
    JAMarco1
    I canceled the my order for the Ogre. I came across a mint 2009 Salsa Fargo frame set. I couldn't pass it up....
  • 01-11-2012
    JAMarco1
    You Sir have one of the baddest looking Troll's I've seen. Very nice build!
  • 01-11-2012
    flatfendershop
    Got z Ogre!
    Hey,
    My frame arrived the other day in all its glory! Very nice! The color rocks! I swung by the LBS after work to pick up some parts that I didn't have on hand. Should start assembly this weekend. Some basic info is Mavic 719 wheels, BB7 brakes, Brooks saddle, sweep bars, Truvative crank/BB, Single Speed for now.

    A couple of questions:
    The badge on my head tube is not sticking down. Since its sort of stiff it wants to peel up on its own. Any suggestions. My apparent options are take it off and fling it somewhere, see if I can glue it with something (3M spray adhesive?), duct tape it on, or have it remade in vinyl and lose the 3D looking plastic. Anyone else battling this?

    Also, under the gusset at the top of the down tube there is a void that got missed in the power coat process, just bare steel under there. I guess I'll just mask it off and spray some black paint in there. Unless I'm upside down you won't be able to see it. Other suggestions?

    Other than that, this will be a fun machine!
    Flat.
  • 01-11-2012
    mikeyharing
    Congratulations! Looking forward to seeing the build. I had the same problem withthe headtube decal with my Cross Check that I got in 2008. I just used some superglue gel and it stuck fine. I haven't checked my Ogre's "void" yet, I wonder if it's a common problem.

    I've been commuting on mine for about a week now, and it's great. Still tweaking the cockpit and the gears, but overall it's been a ton of fun. Much more nimble and quick feeling loaded down than the Cross Check, even though it's heavier.
  • 01-11-2012
    dickyelsdon
    Its probably hard to get powder in there without getting too much around the mouth as it were. It fairly common for gussted frames, just the surly is one of the few you can see in to notice. White On-ones were notorious for having rusty stains running down the downtube. Spray some paint in or better still, wax oil.

    Quote:

    I've been commuting on mine for about a week now, and it's great. Still tweaking the cockpit and the gears, but overall it's been a ton of fun. Much more nimble and quick feeling loaded down than the Cross Check, even though it's heavier.
    Care to expand on this a litte, how was you CC set-up compared to the Ogre? Was the CC suitable for what it was used for etc. I have a CC and an LHT, tempted to swap the CC for an Ogre but i love my CC so much i dont think i could go through with it.
  • 01-11-2012
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dickyelsdon View Post

    Care to expand on this a litte, how was you CC set-up compared to the Ogre? Was the CC suitable for what it was used for etc. I have a CC and an LHT, tempted to swap the CC for an Ogre but i love my CC so much i dont think i could go through with it.

    Sure, I've commuted on my CC for about 4 years now, and it was and still is a great bike for this. The CC is set up as a 1x10, although the 10spd was always a little finicky. The only problems I had were the toe overlap, which was pretty bad with 35s and fenders and size 13 feet, and it was pretty harsh feeling, especially on Chicago's terrible roads. I never really loved drop bars either, but I got used to them.

    The Ogre is much smoother with the 45s I have on, and feels more manueverable, kinda "flickable." No toe overlap at all, and I like the more upright position, although it does feel a bit slower, and any sort of illusions I had about looking cool and fast are long gone. I have more confidence tackling crumbling pavement and metal grate bridges too.

    Other observations on my build:

    -The bar ends are coming off, they are pretty pointless here, with no hills. I'm going to chop 1/2" off each end of the bars, which will make it easier to squeeze through traffic and trees.
    -Brake issues are resolved, it was my fault for futzing with them before I installed them and popping the little adjuster thingy out of place.
    -The rear wheel is pretty difficult to remove. I have to take the skewer out and even then it's pretty ugly. Anyone found a way around this?
    -Moving to a 2x9 setup, as soon as I can find a shim for the front der.
    -Moved the stem down about 1/2," but I may drop it a little more.
    -Contemplating names. Possibilities :Eugene, Radar, Klinger

    I'll post some more pictures soon in its full commuter gear.
  • 01-11-2012
    flatfendershop
    Thanks Mikey, I'll try some gel super glue.
    What bars are you running on yours?

    I swung by the hardware store and got some small stainless steel button head allen bolts to fill up the unused braze ons on. Should help keep from collecting junk in the fork until I use them.

    Flat.
  • 01-11-2012
    mikeyharing
    They are Race Face Ride XC low rise bars, 640mm wide.
  • 01-11-2012
    Lunger
    Ogre Size?
    Could folks please weigh in on what size Ogre they are riding and what your height and/or inseam length is (if you know it)? Thanks very much for any info...
  • 01-11-2012
    bolandjd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    -Contemplating names. Possibilities :Eugene, Radar, Klinger

    Been watching a lot of MASH on TV Land? :D I always liked Trapper John.
  • 01-11-2012
    mikeyharing
    Ha, no, not recently. I was raised on it though... I just like the drab green army reference. Plus, it's sort of like a Jeep.

    For the record, I am 6'2", 34" inseam, and I have the 20"
  • 01-11-2012
    slimhazy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flatfendershop View Post
    Hey,

    The badge on my head tube is not sticking down. Since its sort of stiff it wants to peel up on its own. Any suggestions. My apparent options are take it off and fling it somewhere, see if I can glue it with something (3M spray adhesive?), duct tape it on, or have it remade in vinyl and lose the 3D looking plastic. Anyone else battling this?

    Shoe Goo? RTV? Some sort of epoxy? Shouldn't be too hard to get it stuck back on. Remove the existing adhesive. I don't think "77" or any of the other 3M sprays would hold it; not 3-D enough for something like that.
  • 01-12-2012
    dickyelsdon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    Sure, I've commuted on my CC for about 4 years now, and it was and still is a great bike for this. The CC is set up as a 1x10, although the 10spd was always a little finicky. The only problems I had were the toe overlap, which was pretty bad with 35s and fenders and size 13 feet, and it was pretty harsh feeling, especially on Chicago's terrible roads. I never really loved drop bars either, but I got used to them.

    The Ogre is much smoother with the 45s I have on, and feels more manueverable, kinda "flickable." No toe overlap at all, and I like the more upright position, although it does feel a bit slower, and any sort of illusions I had about looking cool and fast are long gone. I have more confidence tackling crumbling pavement and metal grate bridges too.

    Thanks for that, sounds like it'd be more suitable as a replacement for my LHT than a CC. Since the LHT is a touring build and the CC is a fast SS commuter. Can i replace the LHT with an Ogre, tempted, but ive just bought a ton of stuff to pimp it out :confused:
  • 01-12-2012
    studuck
    I used tubular tyre tape to stick my headtube badge down - seems fine. I also had to chase the threads on bb and ream out the headtube - so tight the headset cup wouldn't go in at first!!
  • 01-12-2012
    flatfendershop
    Thanks for the glue suggestions!

    I'm 5' 11" with an inseam of 34. I got the 18 Ogre, but haven't been on it yet to verify its correct. I think it'll be fine. Remember its as much about reach as it is stand over. I think there's becoming pretty good data of this sort on a Karate Monkey post. Check it out, the frames are identical as for dimensions and angle.

    Anyone else checked their gusset void at the top of the down tube? Did yours get powder coated under there?

    Flat.
  • 01-12-2012
    Dalton
    I went in to order my frame/fork and it looks like my shop can't get it out of MN until March. Utah may have it sooner..... and here I am ready to build and can not move forward.
  • 01-12-2012
    flatfendershop
    Sorry Dalton,
    When I ordered mine a couple of weeks ago it was reportedly the last one (18). There were 2 available at noon, one of those was gone by 2:00 when I put in my order. My LBS went through QBP since he didn't have one in the shop.
    Flat.
  • 01-12-2012
    slimhazy
    Anyone not want their fork?
    If anyone has an Ogre fork from one of the framesets or completes (Army Green, w/ Anything Cage braze-ons) please LMK. I'm considering one for a project. :thumbsup:
  • 01-14-2012
    studuck
    I'm 5'7" and have an 18" - I definitley wouldn't want to go smaller. Not sure what my inseam is and it's irrelevant for sizing a bike anyway :)
  • 01-14-2012
    surlyogreguy
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    Ogre Build
    Here are a couple of shots of the one I'm working on. I'm using it for commuting through the winter in Salt Lake City, but also hope to set it up for touring on & off road. I bought the complete bike & tweaked a few things.
  • 01-14-2012
    emat
    Nice. How do you like the Ergon grips? Are those the cork ones?
  • 01-14-2012
    surlyogreguy
    I like the grips a lot, they're super comfortable. They're not cork.
  • 01-14-2012
    HAF
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flatfendershop View Post
    Thanks for the glue suggestions!

    I'm 5' 11" with an inseam of 34. I got the 18 Ogre, but haven't been on it yet to verify its correct. I think it'll be fine.

    so how is the bike feeling, flat?
  • 01-14-2012
    flatfendershop
    Still haven't been on it. Got tires mounted and bottom bracket installed today. Headed out of town it maybe a couple of weeks before I get it finished.

    Hey, Surlyogreguy (can we call you SOG for short?!) - that's a tasty ride you have there! I put a Brooks B17 on mine. They are great saddles, I have 3.

    Flat.
  • 01-17-2012
    chrisx
    has any one tried schwalbe 2.4 or wtb 2.55 tires yet? Will they fit?
    Is a quick release stable anywhere on the sliders, or do you need bolt on?
  • 01-17-2012
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chrisx View Post
    has any one tried schwalbe 2.4 or wtb 2.55 tires yet? Will they fit?
    Is a quick release stable anywhere on the sliders, or do you need bolt on?

    For SS? I think you'll be fine with a QR. I haven't tried 2.4s, I tried my Nevegal 2.2s on and they fit with plenty of room, they have a pretty wide profile with the side knobs, there shouldn't be any problem clearing 2.5s. You'll have to use the Monkey Nuts to position the wheel farther out in the dropouts though.
  • 01-17-2012
    chrisx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    For SS? I think you'll be fine with a QR. I haven't tried 2.4s, I tried my Nevegal 2.2s on and they fit with plenty of room, they have a pretty wide profile with the side knobs, there shouldn't be any problem clearing 2.5s. You'll have to use the Monkey Nuts to position the wheel farther out in the dropouts though.

    I have a geared wheel, hope pro II, 9 speed with quick release.
  • 01-17-2012
    mikeyharing
    Yes, I don't imagine you'll find many nutted geared wheels out there. QR works fine, no slipping.
  • 01-19-2012
    nativeson
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    Yes, I don't imagine you'll find many nutted geared wheels out there. QR works fine, no slipping.

    it's pretty easy to pull out an axle and change it to a threaded bolt on.
  • 01-19-2012
    nativeson
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by surlyogreguy View Post
    Here are a couple of shots of the one I'm working on. I'm using it for commuting through the winter in Salt Lake City, but also hope to set it up for touring on & off road. I bought the complete bike & tweaked a few things.

    looks sweet, did you cut that rear fender to fit/clear the front derailleur and rear tire clearance ? i'm gettin one soon from my lbs, just gotta wait for them to fill up their order queue. using it for the same things, hopefully it will make for a comfortable commuter, 10 miles one way paved on various grades of road.

    edit: lbs ordered frame+fork expected on march 5th. updates to follow in a bit.
  • 01-21-2012
    BrianL29
    Anyone happen to know if the topeak child seat rack will fit on the ogre? Annoying rack, made for 26" bikes, but it should wok with the location of the rack mounts.
  • 01-30-2012
    flatfendershop
    4 Attachment(s)
    Here's the Ogre. . .
    Hey all,
    Here's my ride, got the official first miles yesterday and had a great time. My skis have been collecting dust this winter, but the hiking and biking has been great!

    So this is what I put together:
    Frame 18" (I'm 5'11" with 34 inches of ground clearance)
    Mavic 719 32 hole wheels
    Shimano Deore XT hubs (also 32 hole, I discovered one day that it works best to match the number of holes on the wheel with the number on the hub! :madman:)
    Truvative Firex crank/bb
    KMC chain
    Brooks B17 saddle
    Origin 8 bars and stem 90x5
    Seat post and pedals came from a box of stuff I had
    Avid BB7 brakes with 160mm rotors and Avid levers
    Specialized fast track tires
    Wal-mart grips:thumbsup:
    Barends are out of the parts box. They may be dated, but I rediscovered how much I like riding with them.
    I tried to hold the bike while I stood on the scale, roughly 25.5-26#. I need to take it to a shop and borrow the scale

    I've got a set of paul compact love levers ordered and a surly tugnut, but they're not here yet.

    Over.
    Flat.
  • 02-01-2012
    nativeson
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flatfendershop View Post
    Hey all,
    Here's my ride, got the official first miles yesterday and had a great time. My skis have been collecting dust this winter, but the hiking and biking has been great!

    So this is what I put together:
    Frame 18" (I'm 5'11" with 34 inches of ground clearance)
    Mavic 719 32 hole wheels
    Shimano Deore XT hubs (also 32 hole, I discovered one day that it works best to match the number of holes on the wheel with the number on the hub! :madman:)
    Truvative Firex crank/bb
    KMC chain
    Brooks B17 saddle
    Origin 8 bars and stem (bars cut to 18 inches, stem 90x5)
    Seat post and pedals came from a box of stuff I had
    Avid BB7 brakes with 160mm rotors and Avid levers
    Specialized fast track tires
    Wal-mart grips:thumbsup:
    Barends are out of the parts box. They may be dated, but I rediscovered how much I like riding with them.
    I tried to hold the bike while I stood on the scale, roughly 25.5-26#. I need to take it to a shop and borrow the scale

    I've got a set of paul compact love levers ordered and a surly tugnut, but they're not here yet.

    Over.
    Flat.

    yo flat....are your runnin an inline post w/your brooks saddle or does it have setback? my ogre frame's been waitin for me at the shop since last friday. will pick it up this weekend, pics to follow. did you have to face the headtube or chase the bottom bracket? looks fun.
  • 02-01-2012
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flatfendershop View Post
    Hey all,
    Here's my ride, got the official first miles yesterday and had a great time. My skis have been collecting dust this winter, but the hiking and biking has been great!

    So this is what I put together:
    Frame 18" (I'm 5'11" with 34 inches of ground clearance)
    Mavic 719 32 hole wheels
    Shimano Deore XT hubs (also 32 hole, I discovered one day that it works best to match the number of holes on the wheel with the number on the hub! :madman:)
    Truvative Firex crank/bb
    KMC chain
    Brooks B17 saddle
    Origin 8 bars and stem (bars cut to 18 inches, stem 90x5)
    Seat post and pedals came from a box of stuff I had
    Avid BB7 brakes with 160mm rotors and Avid levers
    Specialized fast track tires
    Wal-mart grips:thumbsup:
    Barends are out of the parts box. They may be dated, but I rediscovered how much I like riding with them.
    I tried to hold the bike while I stood on the scale, roughly 25.5-26#. I need to take it to a shop and borrow the scale

    I've got a set of paul compact love levers ordered and a surly tugnut, but they're not here yet.

    Over.
    Flat.

    Looks great! I wish I could use mine offroad, we've had a super mild winter too, but that just means all the trails are mud. Grrr.
  • 02-01-2012
    flatfendershop
    The post is in line and the saddle sits about mid rail on it. I'm running a little bit shorter stem than I do on my Moots, 90 vs. 110. I like the feel of the reach on the Ogre. I wouldn't be surprised if I get a shorter stem on the Moots to replicate the Ogre. The bars are very similar on both rigs.

    Mud, we have some of that too, the trick is to get out after the air temp warms up but before the mud melts. Hard to do during the week for us working types, but weekends maybe.
    Flat.
  • 02-01-2012
    vikb


    I checked out an Ogre at my LBS. Looks great...:thumbsup:
  • 02-12-2012
    nativeson
    ogre built





    w/lotsa used parts...a work in progress. built it up last weekend and have only ridden to work, maybe take it out for a longer ride today. bars are real high (heckle me), need wiggle room, makes a comfy cruzer. gonna build up a different wheelset soon. pics came out a bit saturated. try to get some real ride time in and report.
  • 02-12-2012
    slimhazy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nativeson View Post
    w/lotsa used parts...a work in progress. built it up last weekend and have only ridden to work, maybe take it out for a longer ride today. bars are real high (heckle me), need wiggle room, makes a comfy cruzer. gonna build up a different wheelset soon. pics came out a bit saturated. try to get some real ride time in and report.

    I like it! And I like my bars high too. Long legs and short arms...
  • 02-12-2012
    mg6682
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chrisx View Post
    has any one tried schwalbe 2.4 or wtb 2.55 tires yet? Will they fit?
    Is a quick release stable anywhere on the sliders, or do you need bolt on?

    I have 2.35" Big Apple slicks on mine and it and they fit fine w/plenty of room. The rear required monkey nuts to slide the wheel back a bit though.
  • 02-12-2012
    strangeagent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by surlyogreguy View Post
    Here are a couple of shots of the one I'm working on. I'm using it for commuting through the winter in Salt Lake City, but also hope to set it up for touring on & off road. I bought the complete bike & tweaked a few things.

    Did you need to shorten the rear fender due to a clearance issue?
  • 02-13-2012
    LBIkid
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nativeson View Post





    w/lotsa used parts...a work in progress. built it up last weekend and have only ridden to work, maybe take it out for a longer ride today. bars are real high (heckle me), need wiggle room, makes a comfy cruzer. gonna build up a different wheelset soon. pics came out a bit saturated. try to get some real ride time in and report.

    Nicest looking Ogre yet. I was debating between a KM and Ogre, and ultimately ordered the KM. It's on backorder and your bike is making me have second thoughts.:madman:
  • 02-13-2012
    slimhazy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nativeson View Post

    :eek:

    Did you add those extra bottle bosses on the downtube, or were they already there?

    How did I not notice those the first time?
  • 02-13-2012
    muddy horseshoes
    Surly Ogre Build in STL
    Just picked the Ogre up this past weekend from Maplewood Bicycle and haven't gotten around to riding it off-road yet. The Jones loop bar seems very nice and comfy.

    The build is a mix of new components and some other pieces from my salsa dos niner tear down. The brake lines still need chopped down and the bar needs taped in place of the grips. Going to get fit up better so the stem height/length is in limbo right now.

    Build
    --18" medium ogre
    --Full XT kit, 2x10, 26/38 rings - the brake levers are sweet and feel terrific.
    --thomson post (prior)
    --selle italia slr (prior) - may get the boot for something more 'long haul'
    --eggbeaters (prior)
    --bontrager race wheels (new off my sf100)
    --surly nice rack (beef! pretty sure I could tow a guy holding a 30 pack back there)
    --bob nutz for a dedicated hitch zone for the bob trailer
    --ritchey speed max cross tires for the gravel and lightweight xc trails
    --not shown - brooks leather bar tape
    --planet x bike fenders (wide to run full xc tires - I want options)

    Final weight came in at 30.5lb - not too bad considering the rack. The build ended up costing a bit more than the stock offering but I selected everything I wanted and am happy how it turned out.

    I already had a KM and had been thinking about getting an around gravel/trail/tourer/ do it all camper and when I heard about the Ogre and the fact it has the same geometry, I was sold. It took a bit of effort for the shop to source one - they seem to be in high demand at the moment. Maplewood Bicycle here in St. Louis did a great job and are very easy to deal with.

    This bike is my trail maintenance army machine, back 40 adventurer and gravel grinder tour bus. Quite the opposite of the Superfly hundy but just as much fun.

    Here's some blurry camphone pics.






    There's a lot going on here.... Bob nutz attachment, fender, disk brake, rack, chainstay caliper, monkey nuts.... I've been shown a best practices procedure on changing a flat. Not tooooo bad, but not something to look forward to either.



  • 02-13-2012
    slimhazy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by muddy horseshoes View Post
    J

    Tell me you don't have a room for bikes. That's not what I need to hear as I drag bikes onto my porch so I can use my dinner table tomorrow night for Valentines Day...: madmax:

    Cool bike though! :thumbsup:
  • 02-15-2012
    nativeson
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slimhazy View Post
    :eek:

    Did you add those extra bottle bosses on the downtube, or were they already there?

    How did I not notice those the first time?

    no....three bosses for an anything cage i guess.
  • 02-20-2012
    flatfendershop
    I like you're set up nativeson. Those bars are next on my list. What saddle and post do you have?

    You're right about the three bottle bosses on the down tube. Either for an anything cage or the ability to mount your bottle in different places.

    I added button head bolts to all of my empty braze-ons until I need them. Just seemed like it would keep the grit out.
  • 02-21-2012
    nativeson
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flatfendershop View Post
    I like you're set up nativeson. Those bars are next on my list. What saddle and post do you have?

    You're right about the three bottle bosses on the down tube. Either for an anything cage or the ability to mount your bottle in different places.

    I added button head bolts to all of my empty braze-ons until I need them. Just seemed like it would keep the grit out.

    saddle is a velo orange, brooks knockoff. seatpost is an old bontrager (i believe) of my 90's rock lobster. bars are awesome for what i use 'em for. i'll edit a parts list later.

    in the mean time here's a few teaser pics of a solo overnight in henry coe park, 2nd largest state park in norcal. only about 35 miles away by car. shakedown ride, bike handled amazingly well, might need a larger rotor up front. as always steeper than it looks. packed way too much, it looks like i'd be gone for weeks, where else you gonna put a twelve pack? always geekin out on my kit.

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  • 02-21-2012
    CommuterBoy
    I got married in a pair of vans like that. Of course they were black/white checks though :)

    Nice pics! Question from your other pics... do the brake bosses just thread out of the fork? and did you not remove them for a (cargo related?) reason?

    I ordered my ogre frame/fork this weekend and I'm giddy.:thumbsup:
  • 02-21-2012
    dfltroll
    Nice pictures. Can't imagine that you didn't have a good time. Are you in the E. Bay? Walnut Creek/Mt Diablo area? Your pictures look similar to those posted by Grant from Rivendell, like where his crew do a lot of their bike camping.
  • 02-21-2012
    dfltroll
    Oops. I just reread your post and realized you said where you were. Close by Mt Diablo. You can see the similarity to locations.

    Campout and Other Pics. | pushing the pedals
  • 02-21-2012
    nativeson
    actually grew up in E.Bay....coe is a part of the diablo range, hence the similar landscapes/geology. it's definitely got a nice old western california feel to it. Diablo Range - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia i like that dude's blog, follow it a lot and go to many of the places he goes to in marin and sonoma counties. california's just so big, some of the best adventures are right out the door. i do like rivendell's but the price could get me another full suspension.

    left the bosses on, dunno why. in the front i used 'em to attach and old man mountain rack that's been cycled through various bikes.
  • 02-21-2012
    dfltroll
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nativeson View Post
    actually grew up in E.Bay....coe is a part of the diablo range, hence the similar landscapes/geology. it's definitely got a nice old western california feel to it. Diablo Range - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia i like that dude's blog, follow it a lot and go to many of the places he goes to in marin and sonoma counties. california's just so big, some of the best adventures are right out the door. i do like rivendell's but the price could get me another full suspension.

    left the bosses on, dunno why. in the front i used 'em to attach and old man mountain rack that's been cycled through various bikes.

    I'm an SF native living in Portland now. For all the miles I did in Marin I never really rode in the E.Bay. If I were ever to move back I'd definitely ride over that way more. Living in SF it was so convenient to just ride across the bridge and into the Headlands.

    Great images, looking forward to seeing more. I probably get in any bike camping trips until July or so. Spring is filled with randonneuring and build up to the Cascade 12000k.
  • 02-21-2012
    ImmuneZone
    Few more weeks
    @slimhazy

    I will have my Ogre very soon built complete. It took awhile because there were so many orders and what not. I think there will be a surge of builds posted in the next few months.

    I ordered mine on the 25th Jan 2012. Bought all components while i was waiting.

    Should receive the Ogre by friday. Will build weekend. Post pics next week. Very excited.

    I can tell you right now, that I would build an Ogre any day over the KM. It was the greatest, but with Ogre off it is a not brainer. Good luck to you but the KM is still the best after Ogre.

    Later

    ImmuneZone
  • 02-21-2012
    radfahrer
    The Ogre looks awesome, but IMO, the Salsa Mariachi with a Fargo fork is the killer combo. You get a vertical dropout with the ability to still run an IGH (no resetting the chain tension every time you remove the R. Wheel), and it's a little bit lighter as well. I'm 90 percent done with mine built around a Rohloff, can't wait to get it out there! The extra braze-ons on the DT and fork were the suggestion of Cass Gilbert, a friend of mine who is touring on a Rohloff equipped Troll. Google whie out riding
  • 02-22-2012
    LBIkid
    Here's mine folks. still have a little left to complete the build (attach RD cable, front brake), but am waiting for a part or two still. Anyway, I'm excited with how it turned out and wanted to get in on some of the fun posting my Ogre.:D



  • 02-25-2012
    fire_strom
    1 Attachment(s)
    Here's mine. It will be my kid pulling, town carving, future commute monster. Built mostly from the parts of the Pake I had posted in the MonsterCross thread.
    Soma Sparrow 56cm bars
    Nexus 8 Speed Red Band Hub
    WTB Pathway 45c (closer to 48)
    ect ect ect...
    Rides great. Only gone to the mailbox and back but it felt good.
    I'm 5'10.65" and got an 18"
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  • 03-16-2012
    flatfendershop
    5 Attachment(s)
    Ogre change-up
    I ran SS for a little while but needed to get set up for a tour soon, so I added gearing and racks in the last couple of weeks. Surly's rack are impressive. They do limit access to the fork braze-ons but I was still able to mount my pump on them. Just no water bottles. No big deal. I put a 12-34 cog set on the rear. That 34 looks like a pie plate back there, but the climbing ability will be nice. My Brooks saddle gets better with every ride.
  • 03-25-2012
    SomeGuyNamedMatt
    Sweet Bike
    That is a good looking bike!
  • 04-13-2012
    nativeson
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flatfendershop View Post
    I ran SS for a little while but needed to get set up for a tour soon, so I added gearing and racks in the last couple of weeks. Surly's rack are impressive. They do limit access to the fork braze-ons but I was still able to mount my pump on them. Just no water bottles. No big deal. I put a 12-34 cog set on the rear. That 34 looks like a pie plate back there, but the climbing ability will be nice. My Brooks saddle gets better with every ride.

    yo flatfendershop, was that surly front rack pretty straightfoward bolt on mounting? or did you half to do any modifications, did it clear the brake caliper easy? just wondering cause another gut i know had to do some mods to mount that rack on his fargo. thanks.
  • 04-14-2012
    flatfendershop
    The front rack was straight forward. Surly sends a boat load of hardware with them so you have options to configure. The only "mod" I had to make on the front was a stack of washers about 3/8" thick on the lower mount between the stainless steel tab and the fork eyelet. I did this so the bottom of the rack would flare out to clear the BB7 brake caliper. It only really needed to be done on the left, but I did the right also just to make it symmetrical. The longer bolt that was needed as a result was in the kit.

    I don't know the fargo fork, but the reason I got the Surly racks was to match the mounting config on the Surly fork. It does.
  • 05-09-2012
    Lunger
    6 Attachment(s)
    my ogre build...
    My Ogre build, about 2 months old. About half the parts are new and the other half off of a Giant Seek 0 which was an ill advised purchase (WAY too uncomfortable to replace my trusty 15 year old steel Specialized Milano).

    I showed some detail on rear dropout area as it is pretty tight, BOB nutz, rack mount, Surly Trailer mount, fenders, etc.