Ogre Build Thread

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  • 12-14-2011
    slimhazy
    Ogre Build Thread
    Didn't mean to mislead anyone! ;)

    I've been Googling "Surly Ogre Build" for a week now, waiting for someone to show one off. Finally found one:

    Surly Ogre Winterproof’d from Salvagetti Bicycle Workshop.

    I know nothing about Salvagetti and live nowhere near Denver, but that's a nice looking build and they have some other Surly bikes on their site.

    I'm considering moving the complete setup from my Commuter Monkey to an Ogre frame.

    Anyone else have an Ogre built up?
  • 12-14-2011
    slimhazy
    oops...
  • 12-14-2011
    Way
    Thanks for the link. First build I've seen - Would love to see more of the Ogre. Been agonizing over getting an Ogre or a Jabberwocky, especially with the Vassago sale going on, making it $200 less than the Ogre. But it's definitely less versatile than the Ogre.
  • 12-15-2011
    mikeyharing
    That looks awesome. I have a frameset on order, my LBS told me the availability date was today, but I'm kinda doubting that's the case, since 20" frames aren't available online. Hopefully I'll be posting it soon though!
  • 12-15-2011
    co_Intense
    That's my bike ... picking it up tomorrow and I'm really psyched. Salvagetti has been great to work with. I had a very specific build in mind and they patiently guided me through all the options and choices.
  • 12-15-2011
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Way View Post
    Thanks for the link. First build I've seen - Would love to see more of the Ogre. Been agonizing over getting an Ogre or a Jabberwocky, especially with the Vassago sale going on, making it $200 less than the Ogre. But it's definitely less versatile than the Ogre.

    No fork though, so once you add $117 for the matching fork, you're up to $483, which is only $42 less than the Ogre.
  • 12-15-2011
    slimhazy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by co_Intense View Post
    That's my bike ... picking it up tomorrow and I'm really psyched. Salvagetti has been great to work with. I had a very specific build in mind and they patiently guided me through all the options and choices.

    Congrats! :thumbsup: We eagerly await your ride impressions and photos!
  • 12-15-2011
    mattchuck2
    That's a very nice looking bike. Thinking about getting a frame just because it's so versatile. I was actually toying with the idea of a drop bar single speed with flip flop rear hub to start with. Drops look good on it. I'm anxiously awaiting the ride report, too.
  • 12-17-2011
    co_Intense
    Picked it up yesterday but have only put a couple miles on it. So far so good. It's very comfortable and is a very smooth ride. It's definitely the heaviest bike I own but that was expected, especially with the full racks, studded tires, etc.

    Unfortunately I'll only be commuting on Monday and then head out of town for the week, so it may be a while before I have some real input on the bike. If anyone has specific questions let me know & I'll do my best to answer them.
  • 12-17-2011
    Way
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by co_Intense View Post
    Picked it up yesterday but have only put a couple miles on it. So far so good. It's very comfortable and is a very smooth ride. It's definitely the heaviest bike I own but that was expected, especially with the full racks, studded tires, etc.

    Unfortunately I'll only be commuting on Monday and then head out of town for the week, so it may be a while before I have some real input on the bike. If anyone has specific questions let me know & I'll do my best to answer them.

    Congrats on the new Ogre. I will probably getting one and piecing it together slowly. But I do want an Alfined one, similar to yours. Hows that front hub working out?
  • 12-19-2011
    Dalton
    I finally ordered up some parts last week, so I'll have my brakes, stem, seat post, levers, and headset today. Now I need to order up my rims and crank and I'll get to building this thing. Its going to be my commuter. I'll start up a thread at some point.
  • 12-29-2011
    co_Intense
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Way View Post
    But I do want an Alfined one, similar to yours. Hows that front hub working out?

    Front hub is great - I really don't notice it. The E3 front light (asymmetrical) is good but it's taken a bit to get used to (and adjust) the light beam. As many folks have noted it dims quite a bit while stopped. The rear light hasn't impressed me too much. I think it's bright if you're directly behind it, but otherwise it is almost non-existent. My PB Superflash went on right away to 'supplement' it.

    My other feedback on this, none of which is Ogre specific:
    * The JTek shifter is great - I love it
    * The rear hub has needed adjustment every 5-10 miles so far. I'm really hoping things will settle in.
    * This is my first bike with fenders and I'm not fond of them.
  • 12-31-2011
    mikeyharing
    OK, here's the somewhat overdue and anti-climactic completed build. I still have to add racks, cages, computer, etc. etc, but it's ridable for now.









    Took it for a spin down the alley, felt great, but I need to dial in the brakes a lot. I didn't find the BB7s as easy to install as I thought they would be, so I'll take it to the shop and get some professional help. Everything else came together pretty smoothly though. I've got skinny tires on it for now for commuting, it's going to be a long, long time before it sees any singletrack.:mad:
  • 12-31-2011
    Larry Endomorph
    Very, very nice.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    I didn't find the BB7s as easy to install as I thought they would be, so I'll take it to the shop and get some professional help.

    I found this very helpful in learning to adjust BB7s:
    Park Tool Co. » ParkTool Blog » Avid® Mechanical Disc Adjustment

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    I've got skinny tires on it for now for commuting

    Consider some Schwalbe Big Apples for commuting.
  • 12-31-2011
    CBizzie
    SWEET Mikey!!....look at all of those braze ons!....those forks look like a couple of octopus legs! - I am jealous....looks like a bikepacker's dream:thumbsup:
  • 12-31-2011
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Larry Endomorph View Post
    Very, very nice.


    I found this very helpful in learning to adjust BB7s:
    Park Tool Co. » ParkTool Blog » Avid® Mechanical Disc Adjustment


    Consider some Schwalbe Big Apples for commuting.

    Thanks for the tip! I have kind of a weird work situation, I'm commuting about 30 miles a day now, but very likely in 3 or 4 weeks I'll be moving across the country and the bikes will have to go in storage for a few months. After that, I'll have to re-evaluate what I'll need for commuting, recreation etc, but for now I'm just going to throw a rack on it and call it good. Hopefully this time year I'll be trekking across the desert on my Ogre.
  • 12-31-2011
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CBizzie View Post
    SWEET Mikey!!....look at all of those braze ons!....those forks look like a couple of octopus legs! - I am jealous....looks like a bikepacker's dream:thumbsup:

    Thanks! Yeah, they are pretty crazy. Someday I'll have a use for all the brazeons.

  • 12-31-2011
    slimhazy
    Nice build!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    I've got skinny tires on it for now for commuting, it's going to be a long, long time before it sees any singletrack.:mad:

    . Dunno, I kinda linke the Old-Skool skin wall look...
  • 12-31-2011
    bolandjd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slimhazy View Post
    Nice build!

    . Dunno, I kinda linke the Old-Skool skin wall look...

    Ditto!:thumbsup: Love the skin walls. What tires are those anyway?
  • 12-31-2011
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    Ditto!:thumbsup: Love the skin walls. What tires are those anyway?

    Thanks! They are NOS Specialized Tri-Cross 700x45's. As far as I can tell, they haven't been made since the '90s.
  • 01-01-2012
    Sac29
    Very, VERY nice Mikey! You've tipped my scale, plus my LBS has come through with an attractive deal on a IGH... What drive train are you running ? Especially up front...

    Happy New Year!
  • 01-01-2012
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sac29 View Post
    Very, VERY nice Mikey! You've tipped my scale, plus my LBS has come through with an attractive deal on a IGH... What drive train are you running ? Especially up front...

    Happy New Year!

    Hey thanks! Happy new years to you too. It's just a 1x9 SLX setup, I might bolt on the other chainrings, I just wanted to try it like this first. The crank is a Race Face Ride with a bashguard, nothing too special but it was cheap and looked decent.
  • 01-01-2012
    Careby
    Mikey, is that a 20" bought as a frameset? I am trying to sort out the rumors, and I'd read that complete Ogres were showing up with the extra braze-ons, but didn't know the framesets were yet. I am waiting to order a 20" until I can be confident of getting the new version. Great news if the waiting is over! Nice build. I'm planning an Alfine 8 rear hub with SLX double crankset.
  • 01-02-2012
    mikeyharing
    Yes, I bought it as a frameset. I "ordered" it two days after Thanksgiving, basically I had my LBS order it, but it took until Dec. 16 or so before it was actually in stock. When I ordered it, I had no idea that they were going to start making them with the extras, so I just got lucky. I'm pretty sure that if you order one now, it'll come like that, if you can find someplace that has them in stock.
  • 01-02-2012
    thomasbien
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    Hey Mikey, the Ogre looks great. I really like the green.

    I'm almost done building up my new Karate Monkey. Last night I wired my brakes. Did you consider running your front brake cable behind the fork?

    I thought the upper housing mount on the KM fork (same fork as Ogre sans braze ons?) was angled with the intention to pass housing between downtube and fork on its way to the lever. It seems to be a good path for the housing without any contact to the headtube.
  • 01-03-2012
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thomasbien View Post
    Hey Mikey, the Ogre looks great. I really like the green.

    I'm almost done building up my new Karate Monkey. Last night I wired my brakes. Did you consider running your front brake cable behind the fork?

    I thought the upper housing mount on the KM fork (same fork as Ogre sans braze ons?) was angled with the intention to pass housing between downtube and fork on its way to the lever. It seems to be a good path for the housing without any contact to the headtube.

    Thanks for the tip. This is my first time installing discs, and I tend to just look at things and think, "hey maybe this should go there." I hadn't thought of routing it under the DT. Looking at the pictures, it seems like it would work, unless it interefered with fenders or bigger tires?

    Do you have any pictures of yours?
  • 01-03-2012
    studuck
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    My Ogre build - over here in the UK!

    Sorry the picture isn't great - crap cameraphone. Will post some more pics later.

    I went for the Ogre as I needed a bike that I could use with a childseat and my 2yr old boy (including maybe some overnight trips) and that I could use as a proper mtb. I got rid of two steel Kona 26" hardtails to get this bike. I bought the Ogre as a frameset and where possible transferred components from the other bikes.

    Spec is:
    Either Ogre fork or Suntour Raidon with 15mm through axles
    Hope Pro2 Evo front hub (withy 15mm adaptors) on Mavic A119 rims
    Hope XC rear hub on A119 rim (this hub is now on it's 5th bike)
    Thomson stem and seatpost
    Brooks B17 saddle
    Avid BB7/XT levers
    XT rapid ride rear mech, LX front mech 8 speed Alivio shifters
    Alivio cranks
    Blackburn rear rack/CoPilot Limo childseat
    Blackburn MTF front rack
    Bontrager MudX Tyres/not sure what road tyres to use, currently Conti Top Touring
  • 01-03-2012
    mikeyharing
    That looks great! I especially like the brick wall;) I will also be carting my 2 yr old around on mine, I'm a little worried about the clearance though. I haven't set it up yet. Have you tried yours out?
  • 01-03-2012
    studuck
    The saddle pack is a little tight around the little one's crotch shall we say :) The rack struts were adjusted to fit the old bike which had more clearance. I have just got some new struts (from a Topeak rack) which are longer so will fit those. these will give more clearance - I think the problem is down to the struts and the seat angle as the bottom mounting point for the rack is 2cm further back from the bottom bracket than on the old bike so in theory should give more clearance (you may notice the rack isn't quite level).

    Anyhows, I have done a couple fo rides with my son and he doesn't care!

    Stu
  • 01-03-2012
    thomasbien
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    Do you have any pictures of yours?

    Sure, I'm almost done with my build. Here are some pics.
  • 01-03-2012
    slimhazy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Larry Endomorph View Post
    Consider some Schwalbe Big Apples for commuting.

    Love my Big Apples for commuting on my KM. Big Apples plus Planet Bike Cascadia 29er fenders keep me riding plush and dry. I only commute occasionally and it's short, but my exercise rides on pavement are awesome on BAs.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by studuck View Post
    My Ogre build - over here in the UK!

    I like it studuck! :thumbsup: Let us know how it handles with the suspension fork!
  • 01-04-2012
    Careby
    When I first saw the Ogre on Surly's website, I knew it was the bike for me. Even the color was perfect. All I had to do was wait patiently for a frameset to be available. But then, while I was waiting, I ran across a 2011 Karate Monkey complete (gray single speed) on closeout for $800. I couldn't pass that up, and it was ALMOST the Ogre that I really wanted... It's a great bike, and I have already added gears and moved the single speed parts to an old frame I had (a 2001 Schwinn Sierra 700 GS). Then I start hearing about the "extra" braze ons on the Ogres and I get to thinking about how I really need both bikes, so I decided to buy a frame as soon as I could find one. But then I started thinking about how the KM and Ogre have the same geometry, and wondering if it makes sense to have two bikes so similar. And I worried that the Ogre/KM chainstays might be a little short for touring. So I gave the Salsa Fargo, which was what I wanted before I saw the Ogre, another look. Then naturally I started comparing it to the Long Haul Trucker and Vaya... All four bikes are so similar but so different. Long story short, I ordered a Fargo frame yesterday. My Ogre build will have to wait for another day.
  • 01-04-2012
    bolandjd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Careby View Post
    When I first saw the Ogre on Surly's website, I knew it was the bike for me. Even the color was perfect. All I had to do was wait patiently for a frameset to be available. But then, while I was waiting, I ran across a 2011 Karate Monkey complete (gray single speed) on closeout for $800. I couldn't pass that up, and it was ALMOST the Ogre that I really wanted... It's a great bike, and I have already added gears and moved the single speed parts to an old frame I had (a 2001 Schwinn Sierra 700 GS). Then I start hearing about the "extra" braze ons on the Ogres and I get to thinking about how I really need both bikes, so I decided to buy a frame as soon as I could find one. But then I started thinking about how the KM and Ogre have the same geometry, and wondering if it makes sense to have two bikes so similar. And I worried that the Ogre/KM chainstays might be a little short for touring. So I gave the Salsa Fargo, which was what I wanted before I saw the Ogre, another look. Then naturally I started comparing it to the Long Haul Trucker and Vaya... All four bikes are so similar but so different. Long story short, I ordered a Fargo frame yesterday. My Ogre build will have to wait for another day.

    Oh yeah, I think you're totally on point. Not a whole lot of difference between the pre-2012 KMs and the Ogre. In fact, without any insider knowledge at all, I'll bet Surly stripped down the KM for 2012 because the Ogre sort of carries the torch as the versatile, do everything 29er that the KM used to be. But unless you have a Rolhoff hub or a BOB trailer or a set of old big $ custom touring racks that need braze-ons to mount, the old KM is pretty much the same bike as the Ogre. Aside from the color, of course.

    I think you could justify having both an Ogre and KM, especially if you had them set up differently. Say, one SS with a squish fork for singletrack and the other rigid and racked for commuting/touring. But the Fargo is obviously great for any sort of geared riding and KM/Fargo is going to be an awesome combo. You're going to have a fun 2012. :thumbsup:
  • 01-04-2012
    JAMarco1
    I agree with Careby. The first time I saw the Ogre I knew I had to have it, but now that I'm counting my pennies and determining what I actually need I think I might just go with the KM even if it is only 60 bucks cheaper. The KM still has eyelets for a rear rack if I need it I just wont have all the Braze-ons on the fork... But looking at the pictures I dont know if I want all of the holes in the fork anyway. I guess when it's all said and done I just want a 29er that I can install full coverage fenders on... But I love that Army Green!!
  • 01-04-2012
    likes_to_roam
    The Ogre is so far my "dream bike." Rode the Karate Monkey for a few years and ran into one issue after another. The KM is a "do all bike," but! It doesn't do it all well at the same time. The Ogre has saved the day. With one exception, my old front fender doesn't fit up inside the fork, its too narrow. I'll live though. Pretty much, the KM should be discontinued.
  • 01-05-2012
    bolandjd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by likes_to_roam View Post
    Pretty much, the KM should be discontinued.

    Discontinue the granddaddy of 29ers? No way. Have you noticed how the latest trend in 29er geometry is to make the chainstays as short as possible? Which is pretty much what the KM has had since 2004. KM is still a very relavent bike.

    (Sorry for the off-topic post)
  • 01-05-2012
    JAMarco1
    Welp
    just ordered my Ogre!! So pumped it's supposed to ship on the 11th....
  • 01-09-2012
    JAMarco1
    So,
    I plan on building up my Ogre on the cheap with the parts from my 2010 GF Paragon, but I'm already thinking of parts I want to switch out... The first thing I want to change is the Wheelset. I know I want and 36h XT wheelset but for versitility sake should I get disk/ rim such as this
    Tree Fort Bikes - Online Bicycle Parts and Accessories, Bicycle Tools and Maintenance
    or, just stick with the disk brakes???
  • 01-09-2012
    Saddle Up
    The obvious answer if you already own a KM would be to get a Troll.
  • 01-11-2012
    JAMarco1
    I canceled the my order for the Ogre. I came across a mint 2009 Salsa Fargo frame set. I couldn't pass it up....
  • 01-11-2012
    JAMarco1
    You Sir have one of the baddest looking Troll's I've seen. Very nice build!
  • 01-11-2012
    flatfendershop
    Got z Ogre!
    Hey,
    My frame arrived the other day in all its glory! Very nice! The color rocks! I swung by the LBS after work to pick up some parts that I didn't have on hand. Should start assembly this weekend. Some basic info is Mavic 719 wheels, BB7 brakes, Brooks saddle, sweep bars, Truvative crank/BB, Single Speed for now.

    A couple of questions:
    The badge on my head tube is not sticking down. Since its sort of stiff it wants to peel up on its own. Any suggestions. My apparent options are take it off and fling it somewhere, see if I can glue it with something (3M spray adhesive?), duct tape it on, or have it remade in vinyl and lose the 3D looking plastic. Anyone else battling this?

    Also, under the gusset at the top of the down tube there is a void that got missed in the power coat process, just bare steel under there. I guess I'll just mask it off and spray some black paint in there. Unless I'm upside down you won't be able to see it. Other suggestions?

    Other than that, this will be a fun machine!
    Flat.
  • 01-11-2012
    mikeyharing
    Congratulations! Looking forward to seeing the build. I had the same problem withthe headtube decal with my Cross Check that I got in 2008. I just used some superglue gel and it stuck fine. I haven't checked my Ogre's "void" yet, I wonder if it's a common problem.

    I've been commuting on mine for about a week now, and it's great. Still tweaking the cockpit and the gears, but overall it's been a ton of fun. Much more nimble and quick feeling loaded down than the Cross Check, even though it's heavier.
  • 01-11-2012
    dickyelsdon
    Its probably hard to get powder in there without getting too much around the mouth as it were. It fairly common for gussted frames, just the surly is one of the few you can see in to notice. White On-ones were notorious for having rusty stains running down the downtube. Spray some paint in or better still, wax oil.

    Quote:

    I've been commuting on mine for about a week now, and it's great. Still tweaking the cockpit and the gears, but overall it's been a ton of fun. Much more nimble and quick feeling loaded down than the Cross Check, even though it's heavier.
    Care to expand on this a litte, how was you CC set-up compared to the Ogre? Was the CC suitable for what it was used for etc. I have a CC and an LHT, tempted to swap the CC for an Ogre but i love my CC so much i dont think i could go through with it.
  • 01-11-2012
    mikeyharing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dickyelsdon View Post

    Care to expand on this a litte, how was you CC set-up compared to the Ogre? Was the CC suitable for what it was used for etc. I have a CC and an LHT, tempted to swap the CC for an Ogre but i love my CC so much i dont think i could go through with it.

    Sure, I've commuted on my CC for about 4 years now, and it was and still is a great bike for this. The CC is set up as a 1x10, although the 10spd was always a little finicky. The only problems I had were the toe overlap, which was pretty bad with 35s and fenders and size 13 feet, and it was pretty harsh feeling, especially on Chicago's terrible roads. I never really loved drop bars either, but I got used to them.

    The Ogre is much smoother with the 45s I have on, and feels more manueverable, kinda "flickable." No toe overlap at all, and I like the more upright position, although it does feel a bit slower, and any sort of illusions I had about looking cool and fast are long gone. I have more confidence tackling crumbling pavement and metal grate bridges too.

    Other observations on my build:

    -The bar ends are coming off, they are pretty pointless here, with no hills. I'm going to chop 1/2" off each end of the bars, which will make it easier to squeeze through traffic and trees.
    -Brake issues are resolved, it was my fault for futzing with them before I installed them and popping the little adjuster thingy out of place.
    -The rear wheel is pretty difficult to remove. I have to take the skewer out and even then it's pretty ugly. Anyone found a way around this?
    -Moving to a 2x9 setup, as soon as I can find a shim for the front der.
    -Moved the stem down about 1/2," but I may drop it a little more.
    -Contemplating names. Possibilities :Eugene, Radar, Klinger

    I'll post some more pictures soon in its full commuter gear.
  • 01-11-2012
    flatfendershop
    Thanks Mikey, I'll try some gel super glue.
    What bars are you running on yours?

    I swung by the hardware store and got some small stainless steel button head allen bolts to fill up the unused braze ons on. Should help keep from collecting junk in the fork until I use them.

    Flat.
  • 01-11-2012
    mikeyharing
    They are Race Face Ride XC low rise bars, 640mm wide.
  • 01-11-2012
    Lunger
    Ogre Size?
    Could folks please weigh in on what size Ogre they are riding and what your height and/or inseam length is (if you know it)? Thanks very much for any info...
  • 01-11-2012
    bolandjd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    -Contemplating names. Possibilities :Eugene, Radar, Klinger

    Been watching a lot of MASH on TV Land? :D I always liked Trapper John.
  • 01-11-2012
    mikeyharing
    Ha, no, not recently. I was raised on it though... I just like the drab green army reference. Plus, it's sort of like a Jeep.

    For the record, I am 6'2", 34" inseam, and I have the 20"