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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    I think I will compromise on some other parts in order to keep my budget reasonable (since it has now the Son 28 dynamo, USB-werk and Edelux budgeted in). In particular, I am considering the super-discounted stem, seat post, handlebar, and a couple of other items from On One. I am not sure how high my front will be, but unless I need too many spacers, I am willing to try out the On One Fleegle handlebar. I like the sound of the width and the 15 deg back sweep. I think the super angled WSC Ritchey bar ends would be a perfect fit for the angle.
    What do you think of this bar?
    Humpert Space Bugel Handlebars Cruiser MTB Town 25.4mm | eBay It would need a 25.4 to 31.8 spacer to fit some stems.
    Looks similar to a J Jones H Loop bar. If I hadnt found the Titec J bar to try, I would have grabbed one of these I think. Once I know I like the dial in of the J-bar (dimensions) I can consider the pricy Jones version.

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    I am thinking how it would go together with your super short stem. If I were you, I think I would wait for the saddle and stem to be assembled and mounted on the bike first and then try what reach will suit you. I am not sure whether this is the right way to approach it, but that's how I will do it nevertheless.

    Cheers!

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    Sorry, no, I wasnt clear. I'm happy with my choice of Titec J-Bar for now until I am sure I like what they do to shorten my cockpit with the short stem. The J-bar is very close in dimensions to the Jones Loop Bar but I didnt want to pay the $185 (including insured shipping) of the Jones's till I was sure I liked the fit.

    If I hadnt had the J-bar, I think the bars in the ebay link are the closest I've seen, to the Jones/Titec dimensions in width/sweep etc as well as looks.
    I think a reasonable alternative compared to what else I've seen. I wondered if they might be you while you got your budget prioritised if they were a design you liked the look of. No suggestion they should, I was just interested opinions out there.

    Sorry for not being more clear.
    Your build kit didnt seem to mention handlebars and I noticed in a separate post you liked some back sweep that your hoping the On One Fleegle can provide.
    Oh and having spotted the Fleegle, I see it can provide it at an exceptionally good price this week On-One Fleegle Handlebar

    You've been holding out on us
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    If I wanted to build a pure commuter bike - then perhaps. But since I want to use the bike for touring as well as some MTB action, I need a bar that will suit both. The Fleegle gets good reviews in this regard.
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    Built up mine like this fixed gear with wheels off my steamroller just to see how it rode. The ratio was way too low for fixed, didnt like it, built my steamer back up and this will wait for some new 29er wheels and maybe gears too.

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    Woo hoo for another drop bar ogre.
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    I find the Ogre way too long for drops, I would need to go Fargo or 30mm stem. lol.

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    Finally completed my build!

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    King headset
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    SKS longboard fenders
    PDW rack
    Big Apple tires
    Surly open bar
    Ergon grips

    need to change the pedals....
    Left the fork uncut for possible drop bars in the future, although I am loving the Surly bar flipped. The black thing on the stem is a clamp for a baby seat. My little boy loves the ride!
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    Headset/Stem Spacers:

    How do I determine how many to buy?
    Doing my first bike build with my new Ogre frame and am about to order some spacers.
    As most of the bike is black including frame/forks, seatpost and stem and headset, bars and seat.
    I thought I'd add some polished alloy to match the silver wheels and polished alloy cranks.
    I've just spotted:
    Wiggle Australia | Hope Space Doctor Spacers | Headsets
    which have a "silver" option.
    I'm not planning on cutting the steerer anytime soon so was wondering what sort of gap I'm going to be filling between the headset and my thomson x4 stem?
    I see a few builds here that look like the steerer has been left untouched so hoped someone could point me in the right direction.
    Cheers if anyones got time.
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    if you got 2 packs of the hope spacers you should be fine. I'm like you in that i kept all my steerer for the first fitting, rode it for a bit to get a rough idea of stem height, cut about 50mm off and i'm sticking with it for a while, i do have the stem pretty low but always like the option of putting it up higher at a later date if i need to.

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    For my 20" ogre, leaving the headset uncut, I needed three 25mm spacers plus one 2mm spacer for a total of 77mm to tighten the headset.

    Often spacers are chosen to match the headset, although contrast can be nice too, and black always looks good.

    Looks like those Hope spacers are sold as a set, so you may need to order two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiapasFixed View Post
    For my 20" ogre, leaving the headset uncut, I needed three 25mm spacers plus one 2mm spacer for a total of 77mm to tighten the headset.

    Often spacers are chosen to match the headset, although contrast can be nice too, and black always looks good.

    Looks like those Hope spacers are sold as a set, so you may need to order two.
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    if you got 2 packs of the hope spacers you should be fine. I'm like you in that i kept all my steerer for the first fitting, rode it for a bit to get a rough idea of stem height, cut about 50mm off and i'm sticking with it for a while, i do have the stem pretty low but always like the option of putting it up higher at a later date if i need to.
    Thanks for the feedback fella's. Two packs it is.

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    Bits and pieces slowly coming together














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    nice one Rif, i am a big fan of the black, just finished my triple XT build, i must get out and take some pics when i get a nice day for it.

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    It's a beauty in the making, rifraf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    nice one Rif, i am a big fan of the black, just finished my triple XT build, i must get out and take some pics when i get a nice day for it.
    Thanks SteveJfromtheSwitch
    Sounds great and I cant wait to see the pics

    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    It's a beauty in the making, rifraf.
    Hi Seamonster,
    Thank you.
    Coming along very slowly. Still waiting for a local bike shop to have the time to install my headset and build up my wheels which still arnt done.
    I can now at least get a feeling for what the end product will look like now my seat has arrived and my stem to hold the bars in place. As you can see, I had a little play in the garage today and couldnt resist seeing what the bars/stem looked like attached to the forks and seat on the post. Made an order with SJS to supply some polished alloy headset spacers, skewers, 34T reversable Thorn chainring and Shimano XTR brake cable set. I really hope the cable set is compatible with BB7 calipers but at this stage have no idea. Hope your weekend is a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    Hope your weekend is a good one.
    Same to you, rifraf

    PS: I pushed the button. More over email later.

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    Still got to get headset installed by shop next week as long as my SJS Cycles Thorn adapter to hold a handlebar bag has arrived. If its arrived in the mail then the plan is to take the frame in on Friday for the headset installation.
    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-acc...deg-prod11040/
    Need to get a torx kit so I can remove oem2 plate to get on my brake disk - swore a bit when I tried and failed to get it on this morning only to find it a no go. I only got the plate put on recently as my hub came with a different version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    Need to get a torx kit so I can remove oem2 plate to get on my brake disk - swore a bit when I tried and failed to get it on this morning only to find it a no go. I only got the plate put on recently as my hub came with a different version.
    cant you return the hub to Rohloff and have it exchanged with the correct version for the Ogre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiapasFixed View Post
    cant you return the hub to Rohloff and have it exchanged with the correct version for the Ogre?
    Hi ChiapasFixed, its just a little plate that is screwed to the hub via about 5 screws that instead of having a hex head utilise whats termed a torx headed screw. I just dont happen to have the right tool. A friend put on the Oem2 plate after the Rohloff I ordered/received came with a different plate. I ordered and received the correct Oem2 plate so now have 2 versions should I ever change frames. I also bought as a backup for that scenario, a torque plate, so I could add the hub to frames that have short vertical dropouts, so am now well covered should I decide not to stick with the Ogre. Such a small job, with a screwdriver like tool, that theres no need to send the wheel away to Rohloff. It was just a pain as we had the plate off very recently and I didnt know it needed to be off to install the brake disk. Hope that makes sense. Its nearly midnight and I'm struggling to write coherently.

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ID:	798109Wheels are now made - got them yesterday and couldnt resist a mock up build today.
    Still got to get headset installed by shop next week as long as my SJS Cycles Thorn adapter to hold a handlebar bag has arrived. If its arrived in the mail then the plan is to take the frame in on Friday for the headset installation.
    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-acc...deg-prod11040/
    Need to get a torx kit so I can remove oem2 plate to get on my brake disk - swore a bit when I tried and failed to get it on this morning only to find it a no go. I only got the plate put on recently as my hub came with a different version.
    Nice bike! I just ordered a black ogre today. What wheels did you go with?

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    Do the big apple tires fit on the stock rim?

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    i ran mine on the stock rims for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    Nice bike! I just ordered a black ogre today. What wheels did you go with?
    Hi BubbaJ, The wheels I went with are 36H Rohloff and Son28 hubs, Sapim CX-Ray spokes and Velocity Dyad rims.
    I have these exact rims/spokes (although in 20" 406 size) on my Moulton APB small wheeled tourer.
    I hope these treat me as well as the small ones have.

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    I am planning on putting a set of big apples on my ogre when I pick it up but what I can't decide is what color brooks. I ordered the black ogre, would a tan saddle look out of place? And will it work with the stock post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    I am planning on putting a set of big apples on my ogre when I pick it up but what I can't decide is what color brooks. I ordered the black ogre, would a tan saddle look out of place? And will it work with the stock post?
    I think the Big Apples really look the part on an Ogre - hence I got them on my hoops.
    Cant see a Brooks of any colour looking out of place on your bike so I have to just offer that its personal preference. You do know that they do them in Green. Its a black Ogre your heading for but if I was going for a green I'd consider a green saddle (but thats just me). With my stealthy black beast I couldnt see past a black Flyer Special with the copper rivets and black springs at the rear. I may swap those out for some chrome ones from Brooks who use them on saddles like the B73 and B67 from memory. A tan Brooks would look great too I reckon. You shouldn't have any issue with a stock post or at least no ones mentioned one.

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    I managed to sweet talk someone into taking me the long journey into town so I could get my headset installed. With the polished alloy Hope spacers I've added a Thorn handlebar bag adapter from SJS Cycles as the Ortlieb bar bags dont play too nice with the Jones or Titec bars. I had to restrip the bike back down to frame so I could get it on the bus for the return journey home. As long as its not during peak time the drivers are OK on you bringing boxed items with you if theres not too many people on board. Its taken me ages to get this job booked in and done but its finally complete and I can get on with the job of brakes, chain etc.

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    You can make a headset press with a long bolt and some big washers. Just sayin. I added some urethane washers to protect the finish on the headset cups...super custom homebrew headset press.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterBoy View Post
    You can make a headset press with a long bolt and some big washers. Just sayin. I added some urethane washers to protect the finish on the headset cups...super custom homebrew headset press.
    Hi CommuterBoy, thanks for the tip.
    Unfortunately I'm around an hour and a half to town via public transport and relatively new to my locale. Trying to find a "decent" hardware store was a little more stress than I'd want currently, but I'll definitely keep your suggestion in mind if I ever do this again.
    The Surly website suggested some cutting was in order and rather than see if they were right or wrong, I opted to wait for an opening for an appointment in a LBS.

    For anyone interested in whether a set of Tubus Cosmo and Nova will work with an Ogre sporting 2.35 tires then its your lucky day as I struggled to find the relevant info here on the site.
    Also helpful to know is that if, like myself your considering a Ortlieb handlebar bag and Jones Loop bar then you might benefit from the knowledge that SJSCycles sell a Thorn adapter allowing you to use both safely.
    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-acc...deg-prod11040/

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    @ rifraf,

    What can I say? Immaculate, sexy, sick - the Wasp!!!

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    hey Rif, what drybag is that on the rear?

    Also, what's going on with your bottle cage? what is that?

    Loving the big apples! Got mine going on this arvo for so i can try them out on my commute tomorrow morning.

    Fenders go on next?

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    Dang riffraff, looks great! I just picked mine up today. All stock except ergon grips. Love it, need a new saddle and helmet tho

    How many spacers are you using? I am not sure how high I want my bars so they put 5 spacers on and left room on top I case I want to lift it more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    hey Rif, what drybag is that on the rear?

    Also, what's going on with your bottle cage? what is that?

    Loving the big apples! Got mine going on this arvo for so i can try them out on my commute tomorrow morning.

    Fenders go on next?
    Hi StevefromtheSwitch,
    Thats an Ortlieb Rackbag, of I think 31 liters capacity (Medium).
    ORTLIEB Produkt-Details

    Hmmm the bottle cages
    I think your asking about the black velcro I've got wrapped around the front wheel to stop it twisting and the bike falling over when the panniers are on.
    Other than that, the bike has two BBB XL Fuel Tanks which take 1.5 liter PET bottles or 43oz.
    BBB XL Fuel Tank Bottle Cage
    I'm hoping these for water and the Elite Ciussi Gel Bottle Cage for a fuel bottle of around a liter - maybe a Trangia one.


    I got fenders but they delivered the wrong size.
    I cant order anymore until I know my moving date from my landlady.
    I bought stainless steel Gilles Berthoud and am now not sure if to order the same
    or just grab some Cascadias. The stainless will need some customisation to allow for rearward wheel removal due to the Ogres dropouts. I'm thinking of adding a hinge to allow this having cut the fender just below the rear Tubus rack. Time will tell.
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    ah gotcha, they are the BBB ones. for the fenders, i got the cascadias on their way and i can't wait to fit them, i'm only riding the Ogre to work on "fine weather" days as i've gotten my brooks sodden before and i was lucky that it survived. If i know there is a chance of rain i ride my LHT with full fenders.
    I'm loving this ogre though and i'm so wanting to go a full Rohloff and front dynamo hub, i'm just bawking at the costs.
    I'm tossing up in my head to ditch the LHT and have "one tourer to rule them all"
    Loving watching your build mate, very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    @ rifraf,

    What can I say? Immaculate, sexy, sick - the Wasp!!!
    Thank you! Glad you like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    Dang riffraff, looks great! I just picked mine up today. All stock except ergon grips. Love it, need a new saddle and helmet tho

    How many spacers are you using? I am not sure how high I want my bars so they put 5 spacers on and left room on top I case I want to lift it more.
    Get some pics up BubbaJ!
    I bought two packets of Hope spacers.
    I didnt need all of them due to the Thorn adapter but if I'd not used that I would have.
    Wiggle had a decent price on the spacers although I bought mine from SJS Cycles due to needing to buy some things only they could provide and didnt want to pay for two lots of postage (if that makes sense).
    Hope you enjoy your new ride.

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    Hi rifraf,

    First off, great looking build; I'm glad I have Army green, but the black looks damn nice.

    I was wondering - what's the clearance between the BBB XL Fuel Tanks cage mounted on the downtube and the front tire when you put a 1.5L PET bottle in there? I thought of doing the same, but I think my fender would smack in to it & the clearance would fall in to the, "only just" not enough clearance category.

    FWIW, I have Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, so I'm very interested to see how they play nicely together.

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    Finally had some time to get some updated photos of the Ogre going! Been too busy riding the bloody thing to take photos of it!

    This is currently set up in Commuter mode, but I'd only strap 2 bags to the bike & it's ready for bikepacking. Somethings to note since the last time I posted here: I scraped the EX mount on the ground when I fell on the left side at one point, which is one point for having it set up with the EX mech facing upwards rather than towards the ground (e.g. with the Monkey Bone on the disk brakes). I had several mishaps with my Mr. Whirly failing, but it seems to have stabilized now that I have the inner bolts tightened down. I'm still running the chain tensioner + 1 monkey nut due to sheer laziness, however it seems to be working very well.

    I can't remember if I'd locked down the PedalPower+ to the Son28 hub setup before, but it's there now. I run this to my Edge800, and it will charge the Edge800 while riding under all non-navigation modes (as opposed to just sustaining battery level or slowing the depletion). I haven't tested this on the navigation mode yet, which is the highest battery consumption mode, however I think it will still be able to adequately maintain 100% charge on navigation mode.

    Anyway, I apologize for the slightly picture heavy post, but hope you guys like the end results.












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    so i notice you run the QR axle, are there any benefits on doing this or going to the solid axle? if you run the solid you can get rid of the tensioner right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    so i notice you run the QR axle, are there any benefits on doing this or going to the solid axle? if you run the solid you can get rid of the tensioner right?
    The tensioner is because I don't want to deal with manually setting the tension of the chain. You can use a QR skewer and it will work just fine, although you'll probably have to run a tensioner on the right side to hold the axle in place, something like a Surly Tuggnut.

    I don't think this Ogre will be my last bike to see the Rohloff mounted on it. Ultimately I'd like to have a Ti bike with sliding dropouts, like the Salsa El Mariachi Ti, running this setup, and I think QR skewers will be the best experience when I go that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter006 View Post
    Hi rifraf,

    First off, great looking build; I'm glad I have Army green, but the black looks damn nice.

    I was wondering - what's the clearance between the BBB XL Fuel Tanks cage mounted on the downtube and the front tire when you put a 1.5L PET bottle in there? I thought of doing the same, but I think my fender would smack in to it & the clearance would fall in to the, "only just" not enough clearance category.

    FWIW, I have Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, so I'm very interested to see how they play nicely together.
    Hi hunter006,
    thank you.
    I dont drink soft drink and currently have no PET bottles.
    As soon as I can find some, I'll take some measurements for you and let you know ASAP.
    I'm keen to know this myself as I want fenders for my bike and I need to know if they'll play nice together. It shouldn't be too long as normally there's no shortage rolling around having been thrown from cars.

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    To those who purchased the big apples. How much is you lbs selling them for? I'm trying to my stuff locally to support the shops but it seems so much more expensive. I understand they can't match online prices but $54 per tire for the big apples? Is that a fair price? I see them online for $30 each but if that's a fair price to be charged at a bike shop then I will think about it.

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    That sounds about similar to the price I got, keeping in mind that everything's a third more expensive here than in the US, because our dollar is stronger (yes, that's how the market works, apparently).

    My understanding is that a premium Schwalbe tyre will last quite a while, particularly a Big Apple with minimal offroad abuse, so it adds up to a good deal in the long run.

    Maybe ask the LBS if they can come closer to the online price.

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    i paid about $80 to get qty 2 of the 2.35's from starbike, they raceguard ones, wire bead.

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    new pics, big apples, tubus cargo rear rack, tubus tara front, working with my salsa minimalist, + swapped out to my well work B17 special

    sorry for crappy pics but wanted to show it off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    new pics, big apples, tubus cargo rear rack, tubus tara front, working with my salsa minimalist, + swapped out to my well work B17 special

    sorry for crappy pics but wanted to show it off.
    Pics are great SteveJfromtheSwitch.
    I like how your racks work together.
    I'd like to find a small stainless version to hold my sleeping mat rolled up on.
    I've got a Brooks Flyer Special on my Ogre currently but if I dont get on with it I've a B17 Special waiting in the wings. Well not so much the wings as I've put it on my Moulton to break it in. I've also a swift but didnt get on with it on my Moulton due to a much more upright sitting position - that or its just too skinny for my fat rear.
    I may give it a twirl on the Ogre to see how it goes.
    Easier to store a few saddles than bikes unfortunately.
    I wish more of the comments carried pics in the forum as I never get sick of looking at all the great bikes owned here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    i paid about $80 to get qty 2 of the 2.35's from starbike, they raceguard ones, wire bead.
    That's about what I paid at my LBS, $84 + tax. Unfortunately they didn't last as long as I hoped they would due to a big chunk of glass cutting a 1" slit in the front, and something else cutting the rear tire in a similar fashion .

    I'm running Marathon Supreme's at the moment, but the BA's are more supple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    To those who purchased the big apples. How much is you lbs selling them for? I'm trying to my stuff locally to support the shops but it seems so much more expensive. I understand they can't match online prices but $54 per tire for the big apples? Is that a fair price? I see them online for $30 each but if that's a fair price to be charged at a bike shop then I will think about it.
    Try to remember your not comparing apples with apples.
    The cheap online stores are humungous warehouses chocka with stock with huge buying power because of the amount of stock they can buy at one time and store.
    A couple of staff members and a computer and a few lightbulbs.
    Another words, very low overheads compared to a shop with liability insurance, higher rates, small buying power etc.
    If you need cheap, buy off the net. If you value your local bike shop then buy "some" stuff off them too. If they cant make a living they will disappear.

    Saying that, I value my LBS so much that I've not bought one thing for my bike from them - Kapesh?

    Though I have from a bike shop further afield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    Try to remember your not comparing apples with apples.
    The cheap online stores are humungous warehouses chocka with stock with huge buying power because of the amount of stock they can buy at one time and store.
    A couple of staff members and a computer and a few lightbulbs.
    Another words, very low overheads compared to a shop with liability insurance, higher rates, small buying power etc.
    If you need cheap, buy off the net. If you value your local bike shop then buy "some" stuff off them too. If they cant make a living they will disappear.

    Saying that, I value my LBS so much that I've not bought one thing for my bike from them - Kapesh?

    Though I have from a bike shop further afield.
    Haha yeah I Kapesh. I'm from NJ, in Mississippi for tech school (air force). Bought my bike in New Orleans and trying to get everything from them or locally in biloxi. But it's hard, either they don't have what I want or it's way cheaper else where.

    Have a brooks flyer on the way with a pump and a 661 recon helmet with some odds and ends. So ar the only aftermarket item I have on the ogre are ergon grips. Will need to get the BAs and I will be set until I have the funds to get racks and maybe fenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    So ar the only aftermarket item I have on the ogre are ergon grips. Will need to get the BAs and I will be set until I have the funds to get racks and maybe fenders.
    Take your time and you'll get there as I doubt theres too many Ogres completely factory.
    Most of us want to change something.
    Dont forget to keep an eye too on ebay as here in Aussie recently they had a 2.00 inch version on sale for $20 each delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    If you value your local bike shop then buy "some" stuff off them too. If they cant make a living they will disappear.
    An LBS is good for one thing: ripping off people who don't know much about bikes, or don't have time to wait for shipping. That's their clientele. If I ever met a decent LBS, I'm sure I would feel differently. Anyways . . .

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