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    Hey, Gritter. That is a very wicked bike. I like just about everything about it. Looks just the ticket for daily riding and long rambling excursions to where ever you may find yourself. Did you get your chainline issues sorted? What's your reasoning for the high stem and flipped bars? I can think of several reasons why that could be better than fewer spacers and unflipped bars, but I'm curios about your thoughts.

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    +1. I finally got a flat bar as a compromise. Saved a few spacers stack.
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    38 pounds?

    Hi Gritter,

    it looks funky! But where did you gain 38 pounds? I know the saddle and the Alfine hub are on the heavy side (and the rack doesn't help either), but still ...

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    my 20" weighs 41lbs.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny the boy View Post
    my 20" weighs 41lbs.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    Nice Ogre! Your rack system is what I am planning for my Troll. How do you like the rear Salsa rack? I have their down under racks, and was planning to buy the minimalist and the wanderlust as well. Good to see what it would look like on a similar bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    But where did you gain 38 pounds?
    That string connecting the bike to the scale looks like it has to weigh at least a pound

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaultbrad View Post
    Hey, Gritter. That is a very wicked bike. I like just about everything about it. Looks just the ticket for daily riding and long rambling excursions to where ever you may find yourself. Did you get your chainline issues sorted? What's your reasoning for the high stem and flipped bars? I can think of several reasons why that could be better than fewer spacers and unflipped bars, but I'm curios about your thoughts.
    Hi, vaultbrad.

    My chainline is exactly 3.5mm off. 51mm on the front, while the Ćleven is maxed out at 47.5mm. I'm using an eight speed chain, meant for the funky chainlines of a derailleur bike, so it's flexibility really allows for scoliosis of the chain. It matches the seat tube's aesthetics. My Ćleven's axle is slid rearward about 25mm back in the Track Forkend Dropouts, it seems to be enough distance to allow for enough flex to make the chainline issue moot.

    It's completely silent, and I don't notice it at all while riding. Whatever negatives I'm overlooking are worth it to me to run these beefcake cranks.

    My flipped Open Bars with a ton-o'spacers is because that Azonic Shorty stem dominates my front end, and needs to be on top. Even though I think it might be ergonomically the same unflipped and lower, it feels like a cafe velo cruiser this way. It has a different emotional sensation; I can't explain it, but I like it a lot.

    I saw Dalton's Ogre rocking the flips, and I thought it looked great, so I totally had to copy off him, because imitation is the highest form of flattery (now, that I look at his build, mine's almost identical, just blacker. )

    I'd like to hear your thoughts on the flipped bars/spacer situation, vaultbrad.

    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    Hi Gritter,

    it looks funky! But where did you gain 38 pounds? I know the saddle and the Alfine hub are on the heavy side (and the rack doesn't help either), but still ...
    Hey, sea monster,

    38 lbs, 15 oz, but I still have to throw some fenders on it. There's a locking plate on the rack that holds an Ortlieb Trunk Bag that probably weighs about 3 lbs. That Brooks Flyer saddle weighs over 2-1/2 pounds. The Surly trailer-nuts weigh 4.36 ounces... it all adds up rather quickly, but that weight does include front and rear lights with batteries. The entire bike was overbuilt, for thrashing as well as load hauling, with 36 spokes front and rear with brass nipples.

    When I pulled the Ćleven built wheel out of the box, I was shocked at how light it was. Seemed like half the weight of my old Nexus 7, and a third of the weight as NuVinci. I forgot to weigh it though. I think the Ćleven hub is light, but the shifter is heavy as heck.

    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    That string connecting the bike to the scale looks like it has to weigh at least a pound
    The unbalanced weight distribution makes this rig way too back-heavy to hang on the scale normally. I had to use 7/64" AmSteel (1600 lb test strength), to get a good hang That piece weighs 6.7 grams, but I zero'd out the scale with the string before I hung the bike

    I've taken it on a couple rides, but there's so much salt everywhere and it gets everywhere, almost as bad as sand, especially went it's mixed with snow in a slurry. I wiped the Ogre down good, but I just feel bad making it begin its life in such harsh conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    surly rear rack, xt hubs to rhyno-lite's (36h), tool bag w/ u lock, brooks saddle....it adds up....
    feels more solid than heavy.

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    Full Mt BIke setup

    Seems like spring here so I set it up again for full mountan duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunger View Post
    ...w/a Bill Trailer.
    Nice! Are those sidewalls two feet high? Can you offer any advice on lining up the holes in the wheel hoops for the side panels?

    I tried measuring the holes for the deck, but was off a couple millimeters, and now I'm trying to figure out a better way to line up the holes for the sides. I need a template. Surly sells a template for the fenders and spoke covers, for fifty bucks... I can't figure out how to get measurements from those curved surfaces. I could place the hoops next to the side-panels and "eyeball" it, since the holes don't go all the way through, but there's got to be a better way.

    What size angle stock did you use on the corners? Did you drill the holes, and how did you line them up so well? The top of your trailer looks perfectly square and precise.

    The mighty Ogre was born to pull this trailer.
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    Gritter,

    I don't have one of these trailers, but I do have an idea to find your hole placement. I'm assuming the holes are threaded on the trailer. Go buy a small pack of set screws, screw them in with the set point facing your board and still sticking out, lay the board on the area you want it to be, hit the board with a rubber mallet over the set screw area, and then finally drill your holes where the set screws left a mark. This goes without saying, but take out the set screws to mount your boards with proper bolts 'n washers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle01 View Post
    Gritter,

    I don't have one of these trailers, but I do have an idea to find your hole placement. I'm assuming the holes are threaded on the trailer. Go buy a small pack of set screws, screw them in with the set point facing your board and still sticking out, lay the board on the area you want it to be, hit the board with a rubber mallet over the set screw area, and then finally drill your holes where the set screws left a mark. This goes without saying, but take out the set screws to mount your boards with proper bolts 'n washers.
    Thanks, Turtle01! I didn't know I could get screws like that, but it looks like I'm going to have to source some. What a great idea! This should work perfectly.
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    Hey Gritter,

    Those set screws will probably be difficult to find locally since they're metric. If you have a local machine supply shop around they'd probably have them. If not, here is a link to McMaster-Carr who has them: McMaster-Carr. Select the Cone Point Set Screws. I think the size will be M6 x 1, but check that. I'd go with 10 or 12mm for the length so they're easier to handle.

    If you can't see the marks left by the set screws, just put a drop of paint on the tip before you put the wood to them.

    Oh, that makes it really simple now that I think of it.... Just put some old regular bike bolts in the holes with a bit of paint on them instead of the set screws. Free!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle01 View Post
    Hey Gritter,

    Those set screws will probably be difficult to find locally since they're metric. If you have a local machine supply shop around they'd probably have them. If not, here is a link to McMaster-Carr who has them: McMaster-Carr. Select the Cone Point Set Screws. I think the size will be M6 x 1, but check that. I'd go with 10 or 12mm for the length so they're easier to handle.

    If you can't see the marks left by the set screws, just put a drop of paint on the tip before you put the wood to them.

    Oh, that makes it really simple now that I think of it.... Just put some old regular bike bolts in the holes with a bit of paint on them instead of the set screws. Free!
    I like the idea of pointed set-screws, for precision, but I'll find something to stick in those holes to transfer the pattern.

    It's been hard to find parts to work in unison with these rear drop-outs. My rack wasn't playing nicely with these fenders, so meanwhile, the Ogre's rocking this season's minimalist foul-weather fashion ensemble. P.B. Cascadia mudguards to shield the Mighty Ogre from all the slushy, salty slurry around here. They're wide, and work great. Stainless hardware on some polycarbonate half-domes. Just gotta dial the rear curvature profile and trim the struts:



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    My Ogre Build Master Plan

    I am going to pull the trigger this coming week and order an Ogre frame set. I already purchased some components for the build from the list below, but the majority still needs to be purchased and paid for. Therefore, I would appreciate it, if you could take a look and let me know, should I be heading towards something completely idiotic. This is my first build and, with the exception of some very basic stuff, the vast majority of the build will be done by professionals, while I will be looking over their shoulders, trying to learn as much as possible. The final product is supposed to come out as a strong, durable, reliable and reasonably light MTB, which will be used for joyriding and light MTB action as well as (after a quick conversion) for a heavy duty touring adventure. Your critique and suggestions are welcome.

    Frameset

    Frame: Surly Ogre 4130 CroMoly steel (22", green)
    Fork: Surly Ogre 4130 CroMoly steel (green)

    Wheels

    Rims. Mavic TN 719 Disc (36h)
    Hubs: Hope Pro II Evo (front and rear, 36h, black)
    Spokes: DT Swiss Competition (black)
    Nipples: DT Swiss Brass Nipples
    Rim tape: ? (622 x 20 x 0.6)
    Front QR skewer: Superstar 9mm Through Axle (black)
    Rear QR skewer: Superstar 10mm Through Axle (black)
    Tires: Kenda SB8 (2.1")
    Tubes: ?

    I still have no idea how I should have it laced (3 or 4 crosses?). I will assort the components, and then the wheels will be built (quite inexpensively) at my local bike shop. I expect it to handle my 100kg + up to 30kg of load when touring.

    Drivetrain

    Crankset: Shimano XT M770 9 speed (44-32-22, 175mm)
    Cassette: Shimano XT M770 9 speed (11-34)
    Chain: Shimano XT HG93
    Chain tensioners: Surly Tuggnut
    Front derailleur: Shimano XT M770 9 speed (top swing)
    Rear derailleur: Shimano XT M771 9 speed (long cage)
    Shifter: Shimano XT M770 9 speed
    Pedals: Welgo CNC Platform B143

    I will need all the gears when touring. I already have the crankset and cassette, so why not have it all XT? Although the Ogre manual says “top pull front derailleur”, I hope my top swing front derailleur will work just as well. Please, let me know if I am wrong on this one. Do I need the Tuggnut tensioner or will the supplied Monkey Nuts do the job (considering the 10mm through axle I want to use for my rear wheel)?

    Brakes

    Brakes: Avid BB7 (180mm front/160mm rear rotor, black)
    Brake levers: Avid Speed Dial 7 (graphite/black)

    Components

    Saddle: Ritchey WCS Contrail (black)
    Seat post: Ritchey Comp V2 (27.2mm/400mm, black)
    Seat clamp: Surly Stainless Steel (30mm)
    Headset: FSA Orbit MX (black)
    Stem: ?
    Handlebar: ?
    Grips: Ergon GS1 (black, S)
    Bar ends: ?
    Spacers: ?

    I like the look of the supplied seat clamp, but I have some doubts it can handle my weight. I could use some suggestion for the stem. I’d be quite happy with the stock (7°) Kaloy stem, but it’s not available in my area.

    Accessories

    Bottle cages: 2 x Brand X Cage Alloy (black)
    Frame bag: Vaude Cruiser
    Front light: Magicshine MJ872
    Rear light: Smart ˝ Watt LED Rear Light
    Computer: Cateye Strada Wireless

    Touring add-ons

    Saddle: Brooks B17 (standard, black)
    Tires: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme (2.0")
    Pedals: MKS Sylvan Touring
    Front rack: Tubus Tara
    Rear rack: Tubus Logo
    Bar-bag bar: Thorn Accessory Bar T Shaped (105mm, 0°)
    Front panniers: Ortlieb Front Roller Classic (25l, ?)
    Rear panniers: Ortlieb Back Roller Classic (40l, ?)
    Handlebar bag: Ortlieb Ultimate6 M Classic (7l, black)
    Mudguards: ?
    Front light: ?
    Bottle cage: 3rd Brand X Cage Alloy (black)

    Any ideas for a decent touring front light (as an addition to a headlamp) running on batteries? As far as panniers go, I am taking the mainstream (tried and tested) Ortlieb Avenue. I wish there were some pictures out there of Ogre with Ortlieb panniers on, so I could make up my mind in terms of color matching. It doesn’t look too promising ATM – black or possibly grey. I wish they made them in khaki! In terms of mudguards, I am looking at SKS Chromoplastic Road Mudguard Set and/or Planet Bike Cascadia Fenders.


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    Hey sea monster! Build plan looks great.

    I also tried to find khaki panniers with no luck. However Ortlieb does make one that is sort of a khaki. They were out of my budget but would look good on the Ogre - Universal Cycles -- Ortlieb Bike Tourer Rear Panniers

    Just a word of caution using a wireless cyclocomputer with a light. My wireless computer goes crazy when I turn on my front light. Not sure if this happens with all of them.


    Edit: The stock seatpost clamp failed (cracked) on mine. Get a Salsa or other good clamp.

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    I had a productive day today. A friend from a local cycling forum offered to come help with my build. He laced my Rohloff and having the correct tools, he put in my UN55 botttom bracket for me. We got my Tubus rear rack on to see what it looked like as well as the rear BB7 brake bolted to the frame. Still lots to do but it was nice to see the wheel being put together and cranks on.
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    No-brainer question for bike techs, but what's all the padding for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelmutHerr View Post
    No-brainer question for bike techs, but what's all the padding for?
    Gidday HelmutHerr, the padding is whats wrapped around the frame for protection against abrasion and chips. This is when you buy a frame instead of a complete bike I imagine. So yeah its basically to protect the paint. There is also a plastic wedge where the rear wheel slots into. This is to stop the chainstays and seatstays getting squeezed inwards by something weighty being put onto the box whilst in transit and damaging the frame. Didnt your frame come with it? My forks were also in their own cardboard box inside the bike frame box. Also included were some monkeynuts (axel spacers) and
    a adapter for the rear brake caliper.

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    Thoughts on the build...

    I did a not dissimilar adventure touring build last fall (36 spoke 3x wheels, XT Touring all around). I went for a bigger chain-ring, but if you already have the crankset, 4 extra teeth may not be worth it. Contrary to Surly's advice, a 48T front ring fits no problem with 1 spacer. I bought the Tugnut but have not yet needed it. For the price it may be better safe than sorry. I am over 100kg and the stock seat clamp holds just fine. At your weight, I might consider either a Brooks sprung saddle, or a Thudbuster seatpost, as the Ogre's setup is pretty rigid. I have done a fair bit of on/offroad riding (here) in Thailand and am grateful for the springs on my Flyer.

    I have recently upgraded to a 203mm front disc, but because I'm running a Shimano front hub dynamo and a centerlock-6 bolt adapter with my BB7s, we had to do some fancy spacer work to get the bigger disc in the brake. If your hubs are native 6b, should be fine.

    I personally think the contrast of red or orange Ortleib panniers looks cooler on the Ogre than than khaki or neutral colors, but I ended up getting a terrific deal on a full set of grey Vaude panniers and went with those instead. One issue with the Ortleib rollers is that they don't accommodate drying damp stuff well-- some users complain that they seal too well and end up keeping everything damp/wet and eventually moldy. Caveat emptor.

    None of the limits of my build have been due to the frame/setup- just my learning curve- so there have been some bumps, but the Ogre frame is very accommodating! Still searching for the perfect handlebars. So far have tried Titec H, a generic swept city bar (maybe 18 deg), and now Nashbar butterflies. So far, wider feels better on this beast, and I suspect I'll end up with wide straight bars, bar ends, and maybe clamp-on tri-bars if/when I go for a serious tour.

    Have fun with the build!



    [QUOTE=sea monster;10261511]I am going to pull the trigger this coming week and order an Ogre frame set. I already purchased some components for the build from the list below, but the majority still needs to be purchased and paid for. Therefore, I would appreciate it, if you could take a look and let me know, should I be heading towards something completely idiotic...

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    Thanks EWR,

    Quote Originally Posted by EatWorkRide View Post
    I also tried to find khaki panniers with no luck. However Ortlieb does make one that is sort of a khaki. They were out of my budget but would look good on the Ogre - Universal Cycles -- Ortlieb Bike Tourer Rear Panniers
    Yeah, they don't look too bad, do they? But yes, they are rather pricey (and the build budget has already swollen up ..).

    Quote Originally Posted by EatWorkRide View Post
    Just a word of caution using a wireless cyclocomputer with a light. My wireless computer goes crazy when I turn on my front light. Not sure if this happens with all of them.[/url]
    I will have to research this. I had an old, wired Sigma computer (died of old age), and I was looking forward to ditching the wire with the new purchase.


    Quote Originally Posted by EatWorkRide View Post
    Edit: The stock seatpost clamp failed (cracked) on mine. Get a Salsa or other good clamp.
    Bummer. In this case, I am going to get the 30mm Hope QR clamp and keep the original one as a spare part.

    Have a nice day!

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    Hi Yakyai,

    Thanks for your input.

    Quote Originally Posted by yakyai View Post
    I did a not dissimilar adventure touring build last fall (36 spoke 3x wheels, XT Touring all around). I went for a bigger chain-ring, but if you already have the crankset, 4 extra teeth may not be worth it. Contrary to Surly's advice, a 48T front ring fits no problem with 1 spacer.
    I have thought about 48T, since my previous bike (hybrid) had a touring crankset, but it wouldn't work for the MTB part.

    Quote Originally Posted by yakyai View Post
    At your weight, I might consider either a Brooks sprung saddle, or a Thudbuster seatpost, as the Ogre's setup is pretty rigid. I have done a fair bit of on/offroad riding (here) in Thailand and am grateful for the springs on my Flyer.
    Now you have me thinking. I never really considered getting a saddle with springs, but now - as I am reading reviews on the Flyer saddle - I am intrigued.

    Quote Originally Posted by yakyai View Post
    I have recently upgraded to a 203mm front disc, but because I'm running a Shimano front hub dynamo and a centerlock-6 bolt adapter with my BB7s, we had to do some fancy spacer work to get the bigger disc in the brake. If your hubs are native 6b, should be fine.
    Should I go with the 203mm front rotor? The hubs (Hope Pro II Evo) would accommodate that.

    Quote Originally Posted by yakyai View Post
    I personally think the contrast of red or orange Ortleib panniers looks cooler on the Ogre than than khaki or neutral colors, but I ended up getting a terrific deal on a full set of grey Vaude panniers and went with those instead. One issue with the Ortleib rollers is that they don't accommodate drying damp stuff well-- some users complain that they seal too well and end up keeping everything damp/wet and eventually moldy. Caveat emptor.
    Would you mind to share your opinion on the Vaude panniers? I was pretty much evenly split between Ortlieb and Vaude. The weight difference influenced my decision in the end, although I like the stiff back and (smarter) looks of the Vaude panniers.

    A nice day to Thailand!

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    For anyone considering fender options, I've just spotted that in addition to the Cascadias, which are also available in white for 29er, there is a shiny stainless wide fender put out by
    Gilles Berthound. I'm pulling my hair out trying to make a purchase decision for my black framed Ogre.

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    Hello all. Been lurking for a while getting great ideas and decided to speak up now that I am building up my dream ogre!
    Should be a thing of beauty and I will be posting photos soon, but would like some advice.
    Was planning on putting a shimano Alfine crankset in, but have run into the issue that it is designed for a 68mm BB shell, and the ogre is 73mm!
    However, I did come across this online:
    Hiawatha Cyclery: Ogrohloff

    They hint at the fact that there was some kind of work around to make the Alfine crank work, but no indication of how it was done! Any ideas?
    If no, any recommendations on a good SS crankset to run with my Alfine 8 rear? Thanks and hello again!

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    ...also wondering which anti-rotation washers folks are using for the alfine 8 hub? I know you can use the stock green/blue ones and run the cable up the seat stays, but this can cause the cassette joint to get in the way of the chain a bit.

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    I'm a fan of Sugino XD crank arms. Cheap an well made. Square taper is good stuff.
    Sugino XD

    These look good too. Sugino DX

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    Nice cranks!
    Last I looked Jensonusa.com had some great priced square tapered bottom brackets
    of the UN73 persuasion. Shame for me in Aussie the postage killed it but if I was in the US I'd be buying a few at that great price. I had to settle for a dearer to me, UN55 which whilst still a good BB is not at the UN73 standard from what I hear.
    I was told my Thorn cranks were rebadged Sugino

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    Build pic

    So here is a quick and dirty phone pic of the build in progress.... I decided to go with some Truvativ Rukiton cranks and Howitzer BB, just waiting for those to get this man-eating giant rolling!Ogre Build Thread-photo-58.jpg

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    Re: Ogre Build Thread

    Give Hiawatha a call. They are my lbs and a great shop. I saw the bike last time I was in the shop. Its pretty cool.

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    Hiawatha has a few blog entries relating to Ogres and some great pics which when you click on them enlarge. One in particular caught my eye with its Brooks Flyer Special saddle and Rabbithole rims. Have a squiz:
    Hiawatha Cyclery: Search results for ogre

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    Re general building, I stuck some Ergon GP3 grips on the Ogre today. Didn't much like them at first, but after two hours on the bike I love them. So much more torso support for long rides.

    I made the mistake of thinking the comfort comes from the pistol grip, but it's actually having a platform for the heel of your hand.

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    To match that IHG with its good price HelmutHerr, you need to have a squiz at xxcycle.
    Wheel Hub Dynamo on sale at XXcycle - en
    Some good prices to had until the budget allows a Son. I specifically like that disk braked
    alfine price. Food for thought?

    Whoops, I just spotted that quote is for a 26' rim.
    You might have to email them for a quote?

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    Why do you hate my bank account?

    Thanks for the tip, but the bike budget is on hold until after the Dirty Grand Fondo. I'll do my best to out-Clyde the Alfine's tolerances, and if it survives I'll decide whether to go IGH or dinglespeed for the long haul.

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    Jenson has an Ogre framset for $535 and a complete X7 2x9 build kit for $650.... Seems like a good deal to me. I'm wanting to build a town/utility bike for commuting, fishing, etc. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bznbrian View Post
    Any thoughts?
    If you ask in a Surly Ogre thread, everyone will tell you to get a Surly Ogre! So you should get a Surly Ogre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bznbrian View Post
    Jenson has an Ogre framset for $535 and a complete X7 2x9 build kit for $650.... Seems like a good deal to me. I'm wanting to build a town/utility bike for commuting, fishing, etc. Any thoughts?
    Do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bznbrian View Post
    Jenson has an Ogre framset for $535 and a complete X7 2x9 build kit for $650.... Seems like a good deal to me. I'm wanting to build a town/utility bike for commuting, fishing, etc. Any thoughts?
    Pretty much a no-brainer. Went looking on the website and could only find the frameset. Where's the complete build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bznbrian View Post
    You have a Big Green Egg, don't you?
    huh?

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    The bag of bbq fuel in the background.

    It could be used for a Big Green Egg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelmutHerr View Post
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    LOL He (rifraf) does the same to me. He's a budget killer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    LOL He (rifraf) does the same to me. He's a budget killer!
    As for you, all I can say is:
    XXcycle - Dynamo Charger Usb-Werk Busch & Mller - Busch & Muller - en
    How does that price compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    As for you, all I can say is:
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    How does that price compare?
    That's a great price ... before the EU import tax and VAT.

    rifraf, do you remember what year was your Edelux light made? I went through the reviews and comments you sent me via the link, and the guy highly values the light before 2010, but he isn't all that kind to later productions (claiming too much hotspot).

    Cheers to down under

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    That's a great price ... before the EU import tax and VAT.

    rifraf, do you remember what year was your Edelux light made? I went through the reviews and comments you sent me via the link, and the guy highly values the light before 2010, but he isn't all that kind to later productions (claiming too much hotspot).

    Cheers to down under
    Damn I forgot to check out the Eu implications.
    I'd offer to get it sent here and post it on to you but Australia to Eu postage is a killer.
    When I went to return a wrongly delivered hub it was going to be $95 insured post.

    Any better prices here?:
    https://www.bike24.net/1.php?content=8; ... duct=38306
    Bike Shop - German Mountain & Road Bike Store - starbike.com ... BW-5253-en
    http://www.roseversand.com/article/b--m ... aid:639422
    http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/b--m ... aid:639422

    After reading his views on the Edelux I tell anyone who asks its a pre 2010
    version. I bought it in 2011 I think, so for you I'll say its old stock

    Truly no idea, but compared to my old set up which was a ancient sturmey archer dynohub (1.1kg hub only) and chrome and switched steel
    headlight (incandescent bulb), my current set up is absolutely amazing.
    I'm no less amazed that "maybe" his older one is brighter.
    I wouldn't swap mine for any other that I've seen in action.
    I believe it was money that was so well spent I've never regretted the purchase.

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    Maiden voyage

    So here is the basic build after its first night ride: a couple miles down a very dark and woody trail in Rock Creek Park! Again, lousy phone pics, but you get the idea. Decided to keep the fork uncut in case I decide to go with some drop bars in the future. Thanks to my buddy Peter for his expertise in bike building, figuring out the chainline and solving the issue of why my Alfine hub would not downshift. This thing rides like a dream!Ogre Build Thread-photo-22-.jpgOgre Build Thread-photo-21-.jpgOgre Build Thread-photo-20-.jpgOgre Build Thread-photo-19-.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    As for you, all I can say is:
    XXcycle - Dynamo Charger Usb-Werk Busch & Mller - Busch & Muller - en
    How does that price compare?
    If you are in the market for a good dynamo light too, have you seen the new Luxos lights by B&M? I just got the Luxos-B which is a modest improvement over my Cyo. But the Luxos-U has an integrated USB charging outlet built in. Not sure if you need anything other than the 5V power you get, but the Luxos-U is definitely something to consider if you need power on your bike.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    If you are in the market for a good dynamo light too, have you seen the new Luxos lights by B&M? I just got the Luxos-B which is a modest improvement over my Cyo. But the Luxos-U has an integrated USB charging outlet built in. Not sure if you need anything other than the 5V power you get, but the Luxos-U is definitely something to consider if you need power on your bike.....
    Hi Evandy,

    rifraf already pointed out that one to me. It seems almost too good to be true. However, there are very few reviews available (5 or 6), of which 3 complain about the lights failing to perform in the rain. I think I better wait for more reviews and/or for the company to address this issue.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    Damn I forgot to check out the Eu implications.
    And that's how we live here - plagued by high prices, import duties and VAT.

    I think I will compromise on some other parts in order to keep my budget reasonable (since it has now the Son 28 dynamo, USB-werk and Edelux budgeted in). In particular, I am considering the super-discounted stem, seat post, handlebar, and a couple of other items from On One. I am not sure how high my front will be, but unless I need too many spacers, I am willing to try out the On One Fleegle handlebar. I like the sound of the width and the 15 deg back sweep. I think the super angled WSC Ritchey bar ends would be a perfect fit for the angle.

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    Well, I rode in a huge downpour yesterday with my LuxosB (no USB outlet) and it was fine, but that's just one sample. It is a new light, so the reviews may take a while to come in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    I think I will compromise on some other parts in order to keep my budget reasonable (since it has now the Son 28 dynamo, USB-werk and Edelux budgeted in). In particular, I am considering the super-discounted stem, seat post, handlebar, and a couple of other items from On One. I am not sure how high my front will be, but unless I need too many spacers, I am willing to try out the On One Fleegle handlebar. I like the sound of the width and the 15 deg back sweep. I think the super angled WSC Ritchey bar ends would be a perfect fit for the angle.
    What do you think of this bar?
    Humpert Space Bugel Handlebars Cruiser MTB Town 25.4mm | eBay It would need a 25.4 to 31.8 spacer to fit some stems.
    Looks similar to a J Jones H Loop bar. If I hadnt found the Titec J bar to try, I would have grabbed one of these I think. Once I know I like the dial in of the J-bar (dimensions) I can consider the pricy Jones version.

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    I am thinking how it would go together with your super short stem. If I were you, I think I would wait for the saddle and stem to be assembled and mounted on the bike first and then try what reach will suit you. I am not sure whether this is the right way to approach it, but that's how I will do it nevertheless.

    Cheers!

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    Sorry, no, I wasnt clear. I'm happy with my choice of Titec J-Bar for now until I am sure I like what they do to shorten my cockpit with the short stem. The J-bar is very close in dimensions to the Jones Loop Bar but I didnt want to pay the $185 (including insured shipping) of the Jones's till I was sure I liked the fit.

    If I hadnt had the J-bar, I think the bars in the ebay link are the closest I've seen, to the Jones/Titec dimensions in width/sweep etc as well as looks.
    I think a reasonable alternative compared to what else I've seen. I wondered if they might be you while you got your budget prioritised if they were a design you liked the look of. No suggestion they should, I was just interested opinions out there.

    Sorry for not being more clear.
    Your build kit didnt seem to mention handlebars and I noticed in a separate post you liked some back sweep that your hoping the On One Fleegle can provide.
    Oh and having spotted the Fleegle, I see it can provide it at an exceptionally good price this week On-One Fleegle Handlebar

    You've been holding out on us
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    If I wanted to build a pure commuter bike - then perhaps. But since I want to use the bike for touring as well as some MTB action, I need a bar that will suit both. The Fleegle gets good reviews in this regard.
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    Built up mine like this fixed gear with wheels off my steamroller just to see how it rode. The ratio was way too low for fixed, didnt like it, built my steamer back up and this will wait for some new 29er wheels and maybe gears too.

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    Woo hoo for another drop bar ogre.
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    I find the Ogre way too long for drops, I would need to go Fargo or 30mm stem. lol.

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    Finally completed my build!

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    King headset
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    SKS longboard fenders
    PDW rack
    Big Apple tires
    Surly open bar
    Ergon grips

    need to change the pedals....
    Left the fork uncut for possible drop bars in the future, although I am loving the Surly bar flipped. The black thing on the stem is a clamp for a baby seat. My little boy loves the ride!
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    Headset/Stem Spacers:

    How do I determine how many to buy?
    Doing my first bike build with my new Ogre frame and am about to order some spacers.
    As most of the bike is black including frame/forks, seatpost and stem and headset, bars and seat.
    I thought I'd add some polished alloy to match the silver wheels and polished alloy cranks.
    I've just spotted:
    Wiggle Australia | Hope Space Doctor Spacers | Headsets
    which have a "silver" option.
    I'm not planning on cutting the steerer anytime soon so was wondering what sort of gap I'm going to be filling between the headset and my thomson x4 stem?
    I see a few builds here that look like the steerer has been left untouched so hoped someone could point me in the right direction.
    Cheers if anyones got time.
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    if you got 2 packs of the hope spacers you should be fine. I'm like you in that i kept all my steerer for the first fitting, rode it for a bit to get a rough idea of stem height, cut about 50mm off and i'm sticking with it for a while, i do have the stem pretty low but always like the option of putting it up higher at a later date if i need to.

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    For my 20" ogre, leaving the headset uncut, I needed three 25mm spacers plus one 2mm spacer for a total of 77mm to tighten the headset.

    Often spacers are chosen to match the headset, although contrast can be nice too, and black always looks good.

    Looks like those Hope spacers are sold as a set, so you may need to order two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiapasFixed View Post
    For my 20" ogre, leaving the headset uncut, I needed three 25mm spacers plus one 2mm spacer for a total of 77mm to tighten the headset.

    Often spacers are chosen to match the headset, although contrast can be nice too, and black always looks good.

    Looks like those Hope spacers are sold as a set, so you may need to order two.
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    if you got 2 packs of the hope spacers you should be fine. I'm like you in that i kept all my steerer for the first fitting, rode it for a bit to get a rough idea of stem height, cut about 50mm off and i'm sticking with it for a while, i do have the stem pretty low but always like the option of putting it up higher at a later date if i need to.
    Thanks for the feedback fella's. Two packs it is.

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    Bits and pieces slowly coming together














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    nice one Rif, i am a big fan of the black, just finished my triple XT build, i must get out and take some pics when i get a nice day for it.

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    It's a beauty in the making, rifraf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    nice one Rif, i am a big fan of the black, just finished my triple XT build, i must get out and take some pics when i get a nice day for it.
    Thanks SteveJfromtheSwitch
    Sounds great and I cant wait to see the pics

    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    It's a beauty in the making, rifraf.
    Hi Seamonster,
    Thank you.
    Coming along very slowly. Still waiting for a local bike shop to have the time to install my headset and build up my wheels which still arnt done.
    I can now at least get a feeling for what the end product will look like now my seat has arrived and my stem to hold the bars in place. As you can see, I had a little play in the garage today and couldnt resist seeing what the bars/stem looked like attached to the forks and seat on the post. Made an order with SJS to supply some polished alloy headset spacers, skewers, 34T reversable Thorn chainring and Shimano XTR brake cable set. I really hope the cable set is compatible with BB7 calipers but at this stage have no idea. Hope your weekend is a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    Hope your weekend is a good one.
    Same to you, rifraf

    PS: I pushed the button. More over email later.

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    Still got to get headset installed by shop next week as long as my SJS Cycles Thorn adapter to hold a handlebar bag has arrived. If its arrived in the mail then the plan is to take the frame in on Friday for the headset installation.
    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-acc...deg-prod11040/
    Need to get a torx kit so I can remove oem2 plate to get on my brake disk - swore a bit when I tried and failed to get it on this morning only to find it a no go. I only got the plate put on recently as my hub came with a different version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    Need to get a torx kit so I can remove oem2 plate to get on my brake disk - swore a bit when I tried and failed to get it on this morning only to find it a no go. I only got the plate put on recently as my hub came with a different version.
    cant you return the hub to Rohloff and have it exchanged with the correct version for the Ogre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiapasFixed View Post
    cant you return the hub to Rohloff and have it exchanged with the correct version for the Ogre?
    Hi ChiapasFixed, its just a little plate that is screwed to the hub via about 5 screws that instead of having a hex head utilise whats termed a torx headed screw. I just dont happen to have the right tool. A friend put on the Oem2 plate after the Rohloff I ordered/received came with a different plate. I ordered and received the correct Oem2 plate so now have 2 versions should I ever change frames. I also bought as a backup for that scenario, a torque plate, so I could add the hub to frames that have short vertical dropouts, so am now well covered should I decide not to stick with the Ogre. Such a small job, with a screwdriver like tool, that theres no need to send the wheel away to Rohloff. It was just a pain as we had the plate off very recently and I didnt know it needed to be off to install the brake disk. Hope that makes sense. Its nearly midnight and I'm struggling to write coherently.

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    Still got to get headset installed by shop next week as long as my SJS Cycles Thorn adapter to hold a handlebar bag has arrived. If its arrived in the mail then the plan is to take the frame in on Friday for the headset installation.
    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-acc...deg-prod11040/
    Need to get a torx kit so I can remove oem2 plate to get on my brake disk - swore a bit when I tried and failed to get it on this morning only to find it a no go. I only got the plate put on recently as my hub came with a different version.
    Nice bike! I just ordered a black ogre today. What wheels did you go with?

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    Do the big apple tires fit on the stock rim?

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    i ran mine on the stock rims for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    Nice bike! I just ordered a black ogre today. What wheels did you go with?
    Hi BubbaJ, The wheels I went with are 36H Rohloff and Son28 hubs, Sapim CX-Ray spokes and Velocity Dyad rims.
    I have these exact rims/spokes (although in 20" 406 size) on my Moulton APB small wheeled tourer.
    I hope these treat me as well as the small ones have.

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    I am planning on putting a set of big apples on my ogre when I pick it up but what I can't decide is what color brooks. I ordered the black ogre, would a tan saddle look out of place? And will it work with the stock post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    I am planning on putting a set of big apples on my ogre when I pick it up but what I can't decide is what color brooks. I ordered the black ogre, would a tan saddle look out of place? And will it work with the stock post?
    I think the Big Apples really look the part on an Ogre - hence I got them on my hoops.
    Cant see a Brooks of any colour looking out of place on your bike so I have to just offer that its personal preference. You do know that they do them in Green. Its a black Ogre your heading for but if I was going for a green I'd consider a green saddle (but thats just me). With my stealthy black beast I couldnt see past a black Flyer Special with the copper rivets and black springs at the rear. I may swap those out for some chrome ones from Brooks who use them on saddles like the B73 and B67 from memory. A tan Brooks would look great too I reckon. You shouldn't have any issue with a stock post or at least no ones mentioned one.

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    I managed to sweet talk someone into taking me the long journey into town so I could get my headset installed. With the polished alloy Hope spacers I've added a Thorn handlebar bag adapter from SJS Cycles as the Ortlieb bar bags dont play too nice with the Jones or Titec bars. I had to restrip the bike back down to frame so I could get it on the bus for the return journey home. As long as its not during peak time the drivers are OK on you bringing boxed items with you if theres not too many people on board. Its taken me ages to get this job booked in and done but its finally complete and I can get on with the job of brakes, chain etc.

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    You can make a headset press with a long bolt and some big washers. Just sayin. I added some urethane washers to protect the finish on the headset cups...super custom homebrew headset press.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterBoy View Post
    You can make a headset press with a long bolt and some big washers. Just sayin. I added some urethane washers to protect the finish on the headset cups...super custom homebrew headset press.
    Hi CommuterBoy, thanks for the tip.
    Unfortunately I'm around an hour and a half to town via public transport and relatively new to my locale. Trying to find a "decent" hardware store was a little more stress than I'd want currently, but I'll definitely keep your suggestion in mind if I ever do this again.
    The Surly website suggested some cutting was in order and rather than see if they were right or wrong, I opted to wait for an opening for an appointment in a LBS.

    For anyone interested in whether a set of Tubus Cosmo and Nova will work with an Ogre sporting 2.35 tires then its your lucky day as I struggled to find the relevant info here on the site.
    Also helpful to know is that if, like myself your considering a Ortlieb handlebar bag and Jones Loop bar then you might benefit from the knowledge that SJSCycles sell a Thorn adapter allowing you to use both safely.
    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-acc...deg-prod11040/

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    @ rifraf,

    What can I say? Immaculate, sexy, sick - the Wasp!!!

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    hey Rif, what drybag is that on the rear?

    Also, what's going on with your bottle cage? what is that?

    Loving the big apples! Got mine going on this arvo for so i can try them out on my commute tomorrow morning.

    Fenders go on next?

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    Dang riffraff, looks great! I just picked mine up today. All stock except ergon grips. Love it, need a new saddle and helmet tho

    How many spacers are you using? I am not sure how high I want my bars so they put 5 spacers on and left room on top I case I want to lift it more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    hey Rif, what drybag is that on the rear?

    Also, what's going on with your bottle cage? what is that?

    Loving the big apples! Got mine going on this arvo for so i can try them out on my commute tomorrow morning.

    Fenders go on next?
    Hi StevefromtheSwitch,
    Thats an Ortlieb Rackbag, of I think 31 liters capacity (Medium).
    ORTLIEB Produkt-Details

    Hmmm the bottle cages
    I think your asking about the black velcro I've got wrapped around the front wheel to stop it twisting and the bike falling over when the panniers are on.
    Other than that, the bike has two BBB XL Fuel Tanks which take 1.5 liter PET bottles or 43oz.
    BBB XL Fuel Tank Bottle Cage
    I'm hoping these for water and the Elite Ciussi Gel Bottle Cage for a fuel bottle of around a liter - maybe a Trangia one.


    I got fenders but they delivered the wrong size.
    I cant order anymore until I know my moving date from my landlady.
    I bought stainless steel Gilles Berthoud and am now not sure if to order the same
    or just grab some Cascadias. The stainless will need some customisation to allow for rearward wheel removal due to the Ogres dropouts. I'm thinking of adding a hinge to allow this having cut the fender just below the rear Tubus rack. Time will tell.
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    ah gotcha, they are the BBB ones. for the fenders, i got the cascadias on their way and i can't wait to fit them, i'm only riding the Ogre to work on "fine weather" days as i've gotten my brooks sodden before and i was lucky that it survived. If i know there is a chance of rain i ride my LHT with full fenders.
    I'm loving this ogre though and i'm so wanting to go a full Rohloff and front dynamo hub, i'm just bawking at the costs.
    I'm tossing up in my head to ditch the LHT and have "one tourer to rule them all"
    Loving watching your build mate, very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    @ rifraf,

    What can I say? Immaculate, sexy, sick - the Wasp!!!
    Thank you! Glad you like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    Dang riffraff, looks great! I just picked mine up today. All stock except ergon grips. Love it, need a new saddle and helmet tho

    How many spacers are you using? I am not sure how high I want my bars so they put 5 spacers on and left room on top I case I want to lift it more.
    Get some pics up BubbaJ!
    I bought two packets of Hope spacers.
    I didnt need all of them due to the Thorn adapter but if I'd not used that I would have.
    Wiggle had a decent price on the spacers although I bought mine from SJS Cycles due to needing to buy some things only they could provide and didnt want to pay for two lots of postage (if that makes sense).
    Hope you enjoy your new ride.

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    Hi rifraf,

    First off, great looking build; I'm glad I have Army green, but the black looks damn nice.

    I was wondering - what's the clearance between the BBB XL Fuel Tanks cage mounted on the downtube and the front tire when you put a 1.5L PET bottle in there? I thought of doing the same, but I think my fender would smack in to it & the clearance would fall in to the, "only just" not enough clearance category.

    FWIW, I have Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, so I'm very interested to see how they play nicely together.

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    Finally had some time to get some updated photos of the Ogre going! Been too busy riding the bloody thing to take photos of it!

    This is currently set up in Commuter mode, but I'd only strap 2 bags to the bike & it's ready for bikepacking. Somethings to note since the last time I posted here: I scraped the EX mount on the ground when I fell on the left side at one point, which is one point for having it set up with the EX mech facing upwards rather than towards the ground (e.g. with the Monkey Bone on the disk brakes). I had several mishaps with my Mr. Whirly failing, but it seems to have stabilized now that I have the inner bolts tightened down. I'm still running the chain tensioner + 1 monkey nut due to sheer laziness, however it seems to be working very well.

    I can't remember if I'd locked down the PedalPower+ to the Son28 hub setup before, but it's there now. I run this to my Edge800, and it will charge the Edge800 while riding under all non-navigation modes (as opposed to just sustaining battery level or slowing the depletion). I haven't tested this on the navigation mode yet, which is the highest battery consumption mode, however I think it will still be able to adequately maintain 100% charge on navigation mode.

    Anyway, I apologize for the slightly picture heavy post, but hope you guys like the end results.












    All photos.

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    so i notice you run the QR axle, are there any benefits on doing this or going to the solid axle? if you run the solid you can get rid of the tensioner right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    so i notice you run the QR axle, are there any benefits on doing this or going to the solid axle? if you run the solid you can get rid of the tensioner right?
    The tensioner is because I don't want to deal with manually setting the tension of the chain. You can use a QR skewer and it will work just fine, although you'll probably have to run a tensioner on the right side to hold the axle in place, something like a Surly Tuggnut.

    I don't think this Ogre will be my last bike to see the Rohloff mounted on it. Ultimately I'd like to have a Ti bike with sliding dropouts, like the Salsa El Mariachi Ti, running this setup, and I think QR skewers will be the best experience when I go that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter006 View Post
    Hi rifraf,

    First off, great looking build; I'm glad I have Army green, but the black looks damn nice.

    I was wondering - what's the clearance between the BBB XL Fuel Tanks cage mounted on the downtube and the front tire when you put a 1.5L PET bottle in there? I thought of doing the same, but I think my fender would smack in to it & the clearance would fall in to the, "only just" not enough clearance category.

    FWIW, I have Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, so I'm very interested to see how they play nicely together.
    Hi hunter006,
    thank you.
    I dont drink soft drink and currently have no PET bottles.
    As soon as I can find some, I'll take some measurements for you and let you know ASAP.
    I'm keen to know this myself as I want fenders for my bike and I need to know if they'll play nice together. It shouldn't be too long as normally there's no shortage rolling around having been thrown from cars.

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    To those who purchased the big apples. How much is you lbs selling them for? I'm trying to my stuff locally to support the shops but it seems so much more expensive. I understand they can't match online prices but $54 per tire for the big apples? Is that a fair price? I see them online for $30 each but if that's a fair price to be charged at a bike shop then I will think about it.

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    That sounds about similar to the price I got, keeping in mind that everything's a third more expensive here than in the US, because our dollar is stronger (yes, that's how the market works, apparently).

    My understanding is that a premium Schwalbe tyre will last quite a while, particularly a Big Apple with minimal offroad abuse, so it adds up to a good deal in the long run.

    Maybe ask the LBS if they can come closer to the online price.

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    i paid about $80 to get qty 2 of the 2.35's from starbike, they raceguard ones, wire bead.

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    new pics, big apples, tubus cargo rear rack, tubus tara front, working with my salsa minimalist, + swapped out to my well work B17 special

    sorry for crappy pics but wanted to show it off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    new pics, big apples, tubus cargo rear rack, tubus tara front, working with my salsa minimalist, + swapped out to my well work B17 special

    sorry for crappy pics but wanted to show it off.
    Pics are great SteveJfromtheSwitch.
    I like how your racks work together.
    I'd like to find a small stainless version to hold my sleeping mat rolled up on.
    I've got a Brooks Flyer Special on my Ogre currently but if I dont get on with it I've a B17 Special waiting in the wings. Well not so much the wings as I've put it on my Moulton to break it in. I've also a swift but didnt get on with it on my Moulton due to a much more upright sitting position - that or its just too skinny for my fat rear.
    I may give it a twirl on the Ogre to see how it goes.
    Easier to store a few saddles than bikes unfortunately.
    I wish more of the comments carried pics in the forum as I never get sick of looking at all the great bikes owned here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    i paid about $80 to get qty 2 of the 2.35's from starbike, they raceguard ones, wire bead.
    That's about what I paid at my LBS, $84 + tax. Unfortunately they didn't last as long as I hoped they would due to a big chunk of glass cutting a 1" slit in the front, and something else cutting the rear tire in a similar fashion .

    I'm running Marathon Supreme's at the moment, but the BA's are more supple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    To those who purchased the big apples. How much is you lbs selling them for? I'm trying to my stuff locally to support the shops but it seems so much more expensive. I understand they can't match online prices but $54 per tire for the big apples? Is that a fair price? I see them online for $30 each but if that's a fair price to be charged at a bike shop then I will think about it.
    Try to remember your not comparing apples with apples.
    The cheap online stores are humungous warehouses chocka with stock with huge buying power because of the amount of stock they can buy at one time and store.
    A couple of staff members and a computer and a few lightbulbs.
    Another words, very low overheads compared to a shop with liability insurance, higher rates, small buying power etc.
    If you need cheap, buy off the net. If you value your local bike shop then buy "some" stuff off them too. If they cant make a living they will disappear.

    Saying that, I value my LBS so much that I've not bought one thing for my bike from them - Kapesh?

    Though I have from a bike shop further afield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    Try to remember your not comparing apples with apples.
    The cheap online stores are humungous warehouses chocka with stock with huge buying power because of the amount of stock they can buy at one time and store.
    A couple of staff members and a computer and a few lightbulbs.
    Another words, very low overheads compared to a shop with liability insurance, higher rates, small buying power etc.
    If you need cheap, buy off the net. If you value your local bike shop then buy "some" stuff off them too. If they cant make a living they will disappear.

    Saying that, I value my LBS so much that I've not bought one thing for my bike from them - Kapesh?

    Though I have from a bike shop further afield.
    Haha yeah I Kapesh. I'm from NJ, in Mississippi for tech school (air force). Bought my bike in New Orleans and trying to get everything from them or locally in biloxi. But it's hard, either they don't have what I want or it's way cheaper else where.

    Have a brooks flyer on the way with a pump and a 661 recon helmet with some odds and ends. So ar the only aftermarket item I have on the ogre are ergon grips. Will need to get the BAs and I will be set until I have the funds to get racks and maybe fenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbaj View Post
    So ar the only aftermarket item I have on the ogre are ergon grips. Will need to get the BAs and I will be set until I have the funds to get racks and maybe fenders.
    Take your time and you'll get there as I doubt theres too many Ogres completely factory.
    Most of us want to change something.
    Dont forget to keep an eye too on ebay as here in Aussie recently they had a 2.00 inch version on sale for $20 each delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    If you value your local bike shop then buy "some" stuff off them too. If they cant make a living they will disappear.
    An LBS is good for one thing: ripping off people who don't know much about bikes, or don't have time to wait for shipping. That's their clientele. If I ever met a decent LBS, I'm sure I would feel differently. Anyways . . .

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