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    Ok Lunger, I got questions . . .

    What pedals are running? They look cool.

    Is your BOB as close to the back tire as it looks? Could you run a bigger tire if you needed/wanted to?

    I like the front rack, you could put a pizza on there!

    How's life with your IGH? Is it a good fit with the Ogre? What hub is it? What is your tooth count on the front ring?

    Nice rig!! I like the green, same color as mine!!

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    flatfendershop:

    No pizza on the rack yet...beer, books, groceries and the occasional person. Great racks:

    CETMA Cargo bikes CETMA Racks

    The old man mountain rack is great as well...I put a nitto campee on from another bike but the BOB wouldn't clear the struts that came straight back. The rack is pricey but it is very rigid, it doesn't seem to sway as much as the cro-mo rack.

    The pedals are shimano A530s,..they are nice, a much larger platform than the M324s I have been running since they released them.

    The hub is an alfine 8 speed.w/a 23t cog. I'm running a 39t chainring up front. I have some hills in my commute and I tend to spin quite a bit. I could actually use a bit lower gear but this will do for now...it works well.

    I could run a bit bigger tire than I am now...but not by much. The lower strut on the BOB has about 1/4" of clearance, the top a bit more. I'm running 700x40 schwalbe duremes. I have the original fork that came w/the trailer...my understanding is the newer ones provide more clearance.

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    That looks like the 26" wheel 'fork' for the Bob, they do a 29er one that clears 29x2.4" tyres with enough clearance to pass a small marching band through :-)

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    Thanks for the info, its a good looking setup. I like utility.

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    Just built up my 20" Ogre Wed and rode it quickly for an hour last night.

    For people wondering about sizing....I'm 5'11.5" w/ 88 cm true inseam and a 79 cm saddle height. 20" frame is perfect for me...great reach and plenty of standover.

    Complete stock build except the Titec H-Bars. Slight uphill slope for the pics and the saddle is actually level
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7770282@N04/7176281794/" title="Ogre by BioWheels, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7176281794_6b3cb7d13c.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Ogre"></a>

    Clearance pic for FD w/ Exiwolfs and Monkey Nuts in place
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7770282@N04/7176281342/" title="Ogre FD by BioWheels, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7176281342_056804f982.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Ogre FD"></a>

    Cockpit...wish they had stuck with the Microshift Thumbies they showed at Interbike.
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7770282@N04/7176281562/" title="Ogre h-bar by BioWheels, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7220/7176281562_3dbb2d794b.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Ogre h-bar"></a>

    Probably many changes to come. Some sort of thumb shifter most likely, and maybe a conversion to a smaller bottom pull road front derailleur via Problem Solvers gadget.
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    First post, figured I put up my just-completed (well, a few other bits and baubles to come) Ogre build:




    Nitto Moustache bar w/ cork under Avenir cloth
    Modolo levers
    Salsa stem
    WTB headset
    Suntour Barcon shifters
    Suntour XC derailleurs (XCD and XC LTD)
    Sachs freewheel
    Suntour XC Pro canti brakes
    Custom fabricated rear brake cable hanger system
    Suntour XC Pro GreaseGuard hubs
    Sun Rims 0deg rims w/DT spokes
    Suntour XC Pro GreaseGuard BB
    SR Crank
    Woodman seat post
    Brooks Champion Special saddle
    Schwalbe Big Apple tires

    This bike will see most use blazing around town, local dirt roads and cowpaths, logging roads and National Forest "roads", all while hauling kids in a trailer, or the tag-a-long and trailer in series. Super comfy, handles great! The rear brake was a real trick. My local weird-bike genius custom-fabricated a plate and cable housing stop system to allow for sufficient cable travel to use my XC Pro rear canti brake on this 16" frame. I will post up pics of the custom-fab bits later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickyelsdon View Post
    That looks like the 26" wheel 'fork' for the Bob, they do a 29er one that clears 29x2.4" tyres with enough clearance to pass a small marching band through :-)
    My Bob is called the 'Yak 28', which is their way of saying "29"

    I did a tour with it using 2.35 Big Apples and Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, with no issues. On a different bike, but same wheelset and fenders as I'm now using on my Ogre. There is plenty of clearance with Bob's "28" fork.

    I haven't posted my ogre in this thread, so here's my ogre... inspired by the first few pages of this thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by weasel1 View Post
    First post, figured I put up my just-completed (well, a few other bits and baubles to come) Ogre build:




    Nitto Moustache bar w/ cork under Avenir cloth
    Modolo levers
    Salsa stem
    WTB headset
    Suntour Barcon shifters
    Suntour XC derailleurs (XCD and XC LTD)
    Sachs freewheel
    Suntour XC Pro canti brakes
    Custom fabricated rear brake cable hanger system
    Suntour XC Pro GreaseGuard hubs
    Sun Rims 0deg rims w/DT spokes
    Suntour XC Pro GreaseGuard BB
    SR Crank
    Woodman seat post
    Brooks Champion Special saddle
    Schwalbe Big Apple tires

    This bike will see most use blazing around town, local dirt roads and cowpaths, logging roads and National Forest "roads", all while hauling kids in a trailer, or the tag-a-long and trailer in series. Super comfy, handles great! The rear brake was a real trick. My local weird-bike genius custom-fabricated a plate and cable housing stop system to allow for sufficient cable travel to use my XC Pro rear canti brake on this 16" frame. I will post up pics of the custom-fab bits later.
    That is beautiful, Man! Forget the LHT in wanna Ogre!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterBoy View Post
    My Bob is called the 'Yak 28', which is their way of saying "29"

    I did a tour with it using 2.35 Big Apples and Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, with no issues. On a different bike, but same wheelset and fenders as I'm now using on my Ogre. There is plenty of clearance with Bob's "28" fork.

    I haven't posted my ogre in this thread, so here's my ogre... inspired by the first few pages of this thread...
    Very cool!

    The Ogre might be my next bike...

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    Love that Old Skool Ogre with the mustache bars and cantilever brakes! I know everybody loves to bag on canti's, but they are just so classy. Nice work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Tiger View Post
    Very cool!

    The Ogre might be my next bike...
    Same here. This thread somehow injected must get a "Surly Ogre commuter"-bike in to my mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by weasel1 View Post
    First post, figured I put up my just-completed (well, a few other bits and baubles to come) Ogre build:

    Nitto Moustache bar w/ cork under Avenir cloth
    Modolo levers
    Salsa stem
    WTB headset
    Suntour Barcon shifters
    Suntour XC derailleurs (XCD and XC LTD)
    Sachs freewheel
    Suntour XC Pro canti brakes
    Custom fabricated rear brake cable hanger system
    Suntour XC Pro GreaseGuard hubs
    Sun Rims 0deg rims w/DT spokes
    Suntour XC Pro GreaseGuard BB
    SR Crank
    Woodman seat post
    Brooks Champion Special saddle
    Schwalbe Big Apple tires
    Sweet. I also love the 29er Big Apples.

    Not gonna lie though, it'd be 200% more awesomer with a silver seatpost and bar tape to match the saddle. Black like you've got, or brown/honey. Just sayin'

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    I'm officialy drinking the Ogre Kool-Aid. Got a frame on the way..
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    My Ogre green with envy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    Love that Old Skool Ogre with the mustache bars and cantilever brakes! I know everybody loves to bag on canti's, but they are just so classy. Nice work.
    I plan to blatantly steel copy the mustache bar idea. I already have a pair laying around.

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    I've been looking at pics but can't tell what size Big Apples people are running with front derailleurs... will the 2.35's fit on the stock build?

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    With monkey nuts all the way forward and an shimano fd-770, the 2.35 apples have just enough clearance for the PB 60mm 29er fender.

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    How do the 2.35 Big Apples handle on gravel and dirt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordyB View Post
    With monkey nuts all the way forward and an shimano fd-770, the 2.35 apples have just enough clearance for the PB 60mm 29er fender.
    Thanks!

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    unusual front rack lunger

    Lunger, I was intrigued by your front rack, is that home grown or available somewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Tiger View Post
    How do the 2.35 Big Apples handle on gravel and dirt?
    Very well for a slick tire. Wouldn't use them as dedicated trail tires, but they handle dirt, gravel and sand pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvossman View Post
    Lunger, I was intrigued by your front rack, is that home grown or available somewhere...

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    It is a CETMA 5-Rail made in Oregon:

    CETMA Cargo bikes CETMA Racks

    GREAT racks, I've loaded them and overloaded them (I have a 7-rail on my old Schwinn Cruiser)...they take a beating. The constraint is the weight effecting the bike handling not the rack capacity. Gives me flashbacks to my days as a paperboy.

    I did customize the rack slightly to take advantage of the fork braze-ons. The rack is designed to mount w/the axle bolts which I am not a fan of. Not a big deal when the front wheel rarely comes off (such as on my cruiser) but something of a pain when that is not the case (such as on the ogre). One end of the strut comes w/a fork end on it, I just clipped it and drilled a hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muddy horseshoes View Post
    Just picked the Ogre up this past weekend from Maplewood Bicycle and haven't gotten around to riding it off-road yet. The Jones loop bar seems very nice and comfy.

    The build is a mix of new components and some other pieces from my salsa dos niner tear down. The brake lines still need chopped down and the bar needs taped in place of the grips. Going to get fit up better so the stem height/length is in limbo right now.

    Build
    --18" medium ogre
    --Full XT kit, 2x10, 26/38 rings - the brake levers are sweet and feel terrific.
    --thomson post (prior)
    --selle italia slr (prior) - may get the boot for something more 'long haul'
    --eggbeaters (prior)
    --bontrager race wheels (new off my sf100)
    --surly nice rack (beef! pretty sure I could tow a guy holding a 30 pack back there)
    --bob nutz for a dedicated hitch zone for the bob trailer
    --ritchey speed max cross tires for the gravel and lightweight xc trails
    --not shown - brooks leather bar tape
    --planet x bike fenders (wide to run full xc tires - I want options)

    Final weight came in at 30.5lb - not too bad considering the rack. The build ended up costing a bit more than the stock offering but I selected everything I wanted and am happy how it turned out.

    I already had a KM and had been thinking about getting an around gravel/trail/tourer/ do it all camper and when I heard about the Ogre and the fact it has the same geometry, I was sold. It took a bit of effort for the shop to source one - they seem to be in high demand at the moment. Maplewood Bicycle here in St. Louis did a great job and are very easy to deal with.

    This bike is my trail maintenance army machine, back 40 adventurer and gravel grinder tour bus. Quite the opposite of the Superfly hundy but just as much fun.

    Here's some blurry camphone pics.






    There's a lot going on here.... Bob nutz attachment, fender, disk brake, rack, chainstay caliper, monkey nuts.... I've been shown a best practices procedure on changing a flat. Not tooooo bad, but not something to look forward to either.



    Real nice build up! How did you attach the B.O.B. Nutz? I have an Ogre, and an Ibex, but as near as I can tell, both the Nutz and frame are female attachment points.

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    Just Shipped.....

    My 16" Ogre FF just shipped from the mid west. The next few days will be torture! I'll be pulling most of my parts off a a Vassago Bandersnatch, which came off of a GF X-Cal before the Bander.

    I'll be building the Ogre for some bikepacking and dirt touring along with being my all around commuter.

    I'll be looking to these builds for ideas. Keep the builds coming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flatfendershop View Post
    I ran SS for a little while but needed to get set up for a tour soon, so I added gearing and racks in the last couple of weeks. Surly's rack are impressive. They do limit access to the fork braze-ons but I was still able to mount my pump on them. Just no water bottles. No big deal. I put a 12-34 cog set on the rear. That 34 looks like a pie plate back there, but the climbing ability will be nice. My Brooks saddle gets better with every ride.

    hello:

    great bike, congratulations.
    that front derailleur?

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    New Ogre

    My Ogre is now complete.

    Frameset- Ogre size 20, fully treated with linseed oil (classy stuff);
    Headset- FSA Orbit MX;
    Stem- Thomson Elite X4 90mm;
    Handlebar- Easton EA70 Wide;
    Barends- Titec Micro;
    Seatpost- Thomson Elite;
    Saddle- Fizik Gobi XM;
    Wheels- On One Reetard, got these ones for 100€ the pair with tires and tubes some years ago. Heavy but really tough and rigid, will keep them for a while;
    Tires- Kenda SB8;
    Derailleurs- Shimano XT;
    Cassette- Custom Shimano 12-36 XT;
    Shifters- Shimano Dura Ace on Paul thumbies;
    Crankset- Shimano Hone with Surly steel middle ring;
    Brakes- Avid BB7;
    Pedals- Time ATAC Alium. I'm looking to replace them with someting that can be used with regular shoes and hiking boots. Still undecided between go for the Time Zs or get a pair of quality low profile flats;
    Grips- Ritchey WCS.








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    Awesome !! Nice build. I am glad to see you finally got it.

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    Congrats on the new Ogre, it's a great looking bike!

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    Thanks!
    Just arrived from my first ride with it, a relaxed 8km loop around my house. Couldn't be happier with the bike. The size is spot on. It's nimbler than my previous Swift, easier to flick around. The Swift was a little more stable downhill. The Ogre is a little stiffer to, but not at the expense of confort. Standover is a lot better to. Was expecting a somewhat harsh fork, but was wrong. Really impressive, if we consider that it is a fully capable expedition bike.
    I can now understand all the success of the Karate Monkey platform over the years

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    Love the thumb shifters! Nice build!

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    Glad to hear you like it. How did you like the SB8's? I looked at some yesterday but ended up with Maxxis Crossmark's. Hoping they are fast on dirt, gravel and pavement.

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    My SB8s are really old, the rear one even has several dental floss sews. They are great tires if you stay away from mud, sand or grass. They roll really fast and are surprisingly grippy on most conditions. They could use a little more volume and the sidewalls are somewhat fragile. I'm going to get some Continental Race or X Kings next, just to try out

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    With the Crossmarks: Had a nice 8 miles spin on them last night after mounting. They are much faster on pavement than the Exi's. Hope to get them on a longer ride this weekend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    My Ogre is now complete.

    Frameset- Ogre size 20, fully treated with linseed oil (classy stuff);
    Headset- FSA Orbit MX;
    Stem- Thomson Elite X4 90mm;
    Handlebar- Easton EA70 Wide;
    Barends- Titec Micro;
    Seatpost- Thomson Elite;
    Saddle- Fizik Gobi XM;
    Wheels- On One Reetard, got these ones for 100€ the pair with tires and tubes some years ago. Heavy but really tough and rigid, will keep them for a while;
    Tires- Kenda SB8;
    Derailleurs- Shimano XT;
    Cassette- Custom Shimano 12-36 XT;
    Shifters- Shimano Dura Ace on Paul thumbies;
    Crankset- Shimano Hone with Surly steel middle ring;
    Brakes- Avid BB7;
    Pedals- Time ATAC Alium. I'm looking to replace them with someting that can be used with regular shoes and hiking boots. Still undecided between go for the Time Zs or get a pair of quality low profile flats;
    Grips- Ritchey WCS.







    awesome looking ogre!!
    what is your saddle height? i'm in between the 18" and 20" and wanted to get a general idea of what my seatpost extension would look like!!
    thanks!!

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    The top of the saddle is 75cm from the BB center. Hope this helps

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    front rack

    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    Hey, I like your front rack! What is that? Where can I get one?
    CETMA Cargo, made in OR:

    CETMA Cargo bikes CETMA Racks

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    Surly says the 2013 Ogres will be black (Blog | Surly Bikes). That was all the incentive I needed to order a 2012 frameset. Nothing wrong with black, but I have enough black bikes already and army green just looks right on the Ogre.

    I am still mulling over the details of the build. I am thinking NuVinci N360 rear hub, Surly Open Bar on an uncut steerer, maybe a Knard/Rabbit Hole on the front when I can get them...

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    The latest incarnation of mine... so. much. fun.
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    Hi All- I've been lurking on this forum for a couple of months while deciding exactly what to build and how. Now that Ogre 20" frames are back in stock all around, I've ordered mine from Jenson, and most of the components. I waffled back and forth between the Ogre and Salsa Fargo, but finally decided that the Fargo's drop bar design may be too limiting, and the Ogre really lets me make choices later, once I've felt it out. I'm from the States but live in Bangkok, Thailand, so can't really test ride.

    In any case, the build I'm about to do-- starting mid-September when I get back from the states is a touring/adventure touring build. All out of town riding here (and much of that in-town) is pretty much trail riding, so think 'light cross country + touring" as my gig. I'm a heavy guy-- over 250-- so am going for strength and durability. Here's what the build looks like now.

    Frame...
    36h DT Swiss 540 rims
    -Shimano 36h XT rear hub
    Shimano Dyna front hub (36h) w/adapter kit for converting center-lock to 6-bolt...
    -Shimano XT-Touring 10 sp drivetrain 48-36-26 and 11-36 cassette- ordered from bike24 in Germany- apparetly not sold in the US
    Titec H-Bars- maybe use my butterfly bars or try drops at some point.
    Brooks Flyer saddle (now on my Bianchi hybrid being broken in)
    Nice Rack front rack
    Avid BB7s & FR-5 levers
    Serfas Drifter 29x2.0 cross tires

    For the moment-- until my son crosses over from Topeak seat to extenda-bike, I'll continue using my baby-stock Topeak rear rack. He's 34lbs on a 40lb capacity rig, so not long.

    This forum really inspired me to think through this build, and again, because I'm in Thailand and will buy most of the components on a semi-annual trip back to the states (and save hundreds), it has to be pretty well thought out in advance.

    So...anybody have thoughts about what else to take into account on this build? Again, mostly touring and light adventure touring build.

    Will post pictures in progress.

    Looking forward to hearing from Ogre-riders!

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    Ogre on transport duty...

    ...w/a Bill Trailer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yakyai View Post
    Hi All- I've been lurking on this forum for a couple of months while deciding exactly what to build and how. Now that Ogre 20" frames are back in stock all around, I've ordered mine from Jenson, and most of the components. I waffled back and forth between the Ogre and Salsa Fargo, but finally decided that the Fargo's drop bar design may be too limiting, and the Ogre really lets me make choices later, once I've felt it out. I'm from the States but live in Bangkok, Thailand, so can't really test ride.

    In any case, the build I'm about to do-- starting mid-September when I get back from the states is a touring/adventure touring build. All out of town riding here (and much of that in-town) is pretty much trail riding, so think 'light cross country + touring" as my gig. I'm a heavy guy-- over 250-- so am going for strength and durability. Here's what the build looks like now.

    Frame...
    36h DT Swiss 540 rims
    -Shimano 36h XT rear hub
    Shimano Dyna front hub (36h) w/adapter kit for converting center-lock to 6-bolt...
    -Shimano XT-Touring 10 sp drivetrain 48-36-26 and 11-36 cassette- ordered from bike24 in Germany- apparetly not sold in the US
    Titec H-Bars- maybe use my butterfly bars or try drops at some point.
    Brooks Flyer saddle (now on my Bianchi hybrid being broken in)
    Nice Rack front rack
    Avid BB7s & FR-5 levers
    Serfas Drifter 29x2.0 cross tires

    For the moment-- until my son crosses over from Topeak seat to extenda-bike, I'll continue using my baby-stock Topeak rear rack. He's 34lbs on a 40lb capacity rig, so not long.

    This forum really inspired me to think through this build, and again, because I'm in Thailand and will buy most of the components on a semi-annual trip back to the states (and save hundreds), it has to be pretty well thought out in advance.

    So...anybody have thoughts about what else to take into account on this build? Again, mostly touring and light adventure touring build.

    Will post pictures in progress.

    Looking forward to hearing from Ogre-riders!
    Let us know how much clearance you have with your 48t chainring... I've been spinning out a bit with my 44.

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    ^^ I'd think a 48 will be fine. I put a 50 on mine when I was building it up... it was tight, but it would have worked fine. There are pics further back in this thread I think.
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    What potential clearance problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterBoy View Post
    ^^ I'd think a 48 will be fine. I put a 50 on mine when I was building it up... it was tight, but it would have worked fine.
    Just curious- what were the potential clearance problems? What should I be looking out for?

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    I put a 50/34 road double on there, and there was minimal clearance between the chainring and the chainstay... the 50 tooth cleared the chainstay by a few mm's, and probably would have been OK...it was close though. The 34 tooth was actually closer to the chainstay, because of the way the chainstay curves to make room for bigger tires. I have detailed pictures of this on one of the threads in here, but I can't find them for the life of me. I even went to my 'user gallery', and found a whole slew of pictures that I didn't take and that I've never seen before...along with several dozen copies of a few of the pictures I have posted. What is the point of that?

    Anyway, I used 2 spacers on the drive side, and I think you could get a 50 to work fine, but it will be very close to the chainstay. I ran this crankset like this on my old bike (Access 29er), and it was even closer to the chainstay, and I never had any problems with it, but I was always a little afraid of sucking a chain down into that gap... would have been ugly, but I rode it for 3 years and it never happened.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterBoy View Post
    I put a 50/34 road double on there, and there was minimal clearance between the chainring and the chainstay... the 50 tooth cleared the chainstay by a few mm's, and probably would have been OK...it was close though..
    Road doubles have a narrower chainline than MTN cranks, so the 50t on your road double would be more like the position of the middle ring on a MTN triple. The picture is still a very good example of the clearance available tho (manufacturers should show CAD drawing of the clearance i think, so many combos available at the moment and the bikes are never tested with the one you want to use!)

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    48T Outer Chainring- Mistake?

    Guess I'm going to have to wait to see how the outer chainring works, as it is in transit from Europe now, and won't have the frame back here for a few weeks.

    If anybody else has tried an Ogre build with a 48 T outer chainring (on a 48-36-26), I'd love to hear your experience. If its' definitely problematic, I'll just exchange it straight away.

    Thanks for your advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by dickyelsdon View Post
    Road doubles have a narrower chainline than MTN cranks, so the 50t on your road double would be more like the position of the middle ring on a MTN triple. The picture is still a very good example of the clearance available tho (manufacturers should show CAD drawing of the clearance i think, so many combos available at the moment and the bikes are never tested with the one you want to use!)

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    ^^ The 36 is going to be closer than the 48. I'd run a 48 without hesitation. The 36 would make me nervous, but I bet you could still run it with no issues. I ran my 50 impossibly close to the chainstay on my last bike, and never had any issues.

    On chainline, I wound up with a very good chainline for the 50 tooth, even with two spacers on that side. Definitely narrower than a mountian triple.
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    So whats the recommended wheelset for an Orge? For touring and commuting?

    I've seen the mavic 719s on a bunch of bikes in this thread...

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    Attach a Burley to a Surly Ogre

    Hi, I'm finishing up my Surly Ogre build (build was actually done by a good friend, more reassembly) and I'm wondering what people recommend on how to best attach a Burley. There seems to be a handful of options. I'm leaning toward bolting the quick release bracket using one of the bolts and holes designed for attaching a trailer. Appreciate the thoughts. I'll post complete build specs soon with a photo.

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    Not sure if the hitch mounts the same but my Chariot uses a hitch that bolts to the axle and using the stock XT QR or the longer QR that comes with the hitch, both work fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yakyai View Post
    If anybody else has tried an Ogre build with a 48 T outer chainring (on a 48-36-26), I'd love to hear your experience. If its' definitely problematic, I'll just exchange it straight away.

    Thanks for your advice.
    When I built up my Ogre I checked out how my old 48/36/26 Deore crankset (outboard bb style) fit--it was fine, I woulda had no concerns about running that but I bought it to be an SS.

    My current experiment is a SRAM x9 crankset w/ removable spider. I swapped the 36/29 120/4 arm spider for SRAM's 110/5 arm spider.
    I was surprised that the 47t clears the chainstay (I dunno that I'd risk running it with a front derailleur tho). I roughly measured chainline at about 52-53mm.
    I'm hoping a 34t clears on the inner position so I can have commuter and xc SS gearing with a chain swap. I don't have a 34t to test yet, tho.

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    Just installed a Salsa Minimalist rack on my Ogre last night. Shakedown ride to commence after work today.



    Several weeks ago I decided it would be fun to take my oldest daughter (2.5) home on Fridays with the Ogre and Chariot. This is week 6 and I think she loves it as much as I do.(I'm sure the playground stop and fruit snacks have nothing to do with it ) I don't think there is a better bike for pulling the Chariot. The big flat dropout is a strong stable platform to attach the hitch. I also really enjoy the extra control of wide flat bars over drop bars. This bike invites use and it does everything I've tried with it very well.

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    ianick: Do you attach the Chariot to your rear axle? I can't imaging something that small would withstand the torque applied by pulling a trailer for so long. The mechanics of the axle is to simply put pressure across the rear hub between the stays. I was hoping to use the spot designed for trailer attachments, but the Burley forged hit bumps into the rear axle nut.

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    I do use the rear axle to tow the Chariot. Initially I was going to use a M10 screw hole but have since decided to mount Bob Nutz there(Trail work beckons!). I understand what your saying, seems that would be a high stress area. However a thick piece of 4130 steel like the one used on the Ogre dropout has incredible strength. I wouldn't worry too much about it. And if I did worry I would just email Surly. Think I'll do that now anyways.

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    Thanks JordyB and ianick for the thoughts on how on attaching a Burley. I'm unable to post a photo until I reach 10 posts.
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    Surley Ogre, Cascadia Rear Fender

    Hi, has anyone else encountered an issue with their front derailleur rubbing against their rear fender? I've built up an 18" sized Ogre with SRAM X7 group and I have Mavic CrossRide wheels with Kenda SB8 tires. There's barley 1.5" of space between the tire and back of the front derailleur. I'm wondering if it is okay to have the rear fender rub against the front derailleur.

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    48/36/26 works great

    Visited my LBS where the Ogre build is happening, pickup tomorrow. The 48/36/26 Deore XT crankset works fine. One space, plenty of clearance. Can't post pic as I have not reached 10 posts yet (1 more down), clearance is not an issue at all. I'll report on spinouts if I can after test ride tomorrow, though few hills here in Bangkok to try it out on.

    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess View Post
    When I built up my Ogre I checked out how my old 48/36/26 Deore crankset (outboard bb style) fit--it was fine, I woulda had no concerns about running that but I bought it to be an SS.

    My current experiment is a SRAM x9 crankset w/ removable spider. I swapped the 36/29 120/4 arm spider for SRAM's 110/5 arm spider.
    I was surprised that the 47t clears the
    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess View Post
    chainstay (I dunno that I'd risk running it with a front derailleur tho). I roughly measured chainline at about 52-53mm.
    I'm hoping a 34t clears on the inner position so I can have commuter and xc SS gearing with a chain swap. I don't have a 34t to test yet, tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-Ogre-2011 View Post
    Hi, has anyone else encountered an issue with their front derailleur rubbing against their rear fender? I've built up an 18" sized Ogre with SRAM X7 group and I have Mavic CrossRide wheels with Kenda SB8 tires. There's barley 1.5" of space between the tire and back of the front derailleur. I'm wondering if it is okay to have the rear fender rub against the front derailleur.
    My cascadia fender doesn't touch my Shimano XT front derailleur. the fender does rub the cable a bit (the bare cable between the housing stop and the derailleur itself), but it doesn't cause any issues. I avoided contact by putting a spacer between the fender and the frame at the bottom mounting point...pushing the fender back closer to the tire at the lowest point. This worked with 2.35 Big Apples. I spaced it back maybe 1/2 inch.
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    hi guys

    I want to build an Ogre for heavy off-road trip
    what is the BB height of the Ogre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-Ogre-2011 View Post
    Thanks JordyB and ianick for the thoughts on how on attaching a Burley. I'm unable to post a photo until I reach 10 posts.
    Here is what I did:
    Found an older Buley hitch, cut it and used a low profile m10x1.0 bolt. Works great. Tight clearances but adequate.
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    My Ogre Build - 2012

    Hi all. I trawled this thread quite a bit while doing research, so here's an album of my build in return.

    My Surly Ogre put together mainly for road: imgur.com/a/5d1qs

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_strom View Post
    Here is what I did:
    Found an older Buley hitch, cut it and used a low profile m10x1.0 bolt. Works great. Tight clearances but adequate.
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    Damian808: This is a great solution. I have my Burley Hitch attached to the same m10x1.0 area, but I have it spaced away from the frame to clear the axle nut. Where did you locate a low profile m10x1.0 bolt? Do you have a lock nut on the other side? I'm not at 10 posts yet, otherwise I'd post pictures of my work around. Now I just need to find an old style hitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-Ogre-2011 View Post
    Damian808: This is a great solution. I have my Burley Hitch attached to the same m10x1.0 area, but I have it spaced away from the frame to clear the axle nut. Where did you locate a low profile m10x1.0 bolt? Do you have a lock nut on the other side? I'm not at 10 posts yet, otherwise I'd post pictures of my work around. Now I just need to find an old style hitch.
    I think you're referring to the post above mine, just fyi...

    Also, I haven't made 10 posts either (this is my second), I just removed the http from the URL to my album and it let me post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-Ogre-2011 View Post
    Damian808: This is a great solution. I have my Burley Hitch attached to the same m10x1.0 area, but I have it spaced away from the frame to clear the axle nut. Where did you locate a low profile m10x1.0 bolt? Do you have a lock nut on the other side? I'm not at 10 posts yet, otherwise I'd post pictures of my work around. Now I just need to find an old style hitch.
    I got the bolt from a shop in the uk. It was a ridiculous quest. I can't remember what the intent of the bolt was OEM. It was possibly part of a chain tensioner.

    No nut on back, just some lock-tite.

    Good luck finding an old style hitch. I noticed a friend had one on their bike and offered to swap them for a new one. Prior to that I hadn't ever seen one for sale. I searched medal shops for u channel and considered bending flat stock. I had saved searches on eBay and trolled various online classifieds. Keep a new one in your pocket and be ready to swap if you ever see one.

    I have to post more pictures. I think my Ogre has reached an apex for me. That is a very rare occurrence for my tinkering nature. It is so perfect for what I am doing. It does daily commute work and once carried a 12-pack, three 6-packs and two 1.75l bottles of spirits home from the store.
    Cheers to the Ogres

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    Gawd damnit

    I thought I finally had a bike that I was satisfied with (Voodoo Bokor 29). Now I'm wanting an ogre....grrrr!

    BTW-Nice bikes!
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    Well the Rabbit Hole / Knard combo doesn't fit in the rear... But I am thinking a Rabbit Hole / Ardent 2.4 might be a good 'soft condition' combo

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    Ogre is mostly built - need a front derailleur to finish the drivetrain. Salsa stem and Bend 2 bar are on their way to the LBS also (bar/stem shown are spare parts)



    Pretty stoked on this bike, my Vaya was a fantastic bike but I'm looking forward to having even more options now on what I use this bike for!
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    New Ogre, in the house. well almost, still at the LBS, but first test ride today. so for the Ogre nerds/fans out there here's the saga so far. waited about 8 months after ordering the frame for the 24 to come into Canada. so what else is new. sat on it until the rainy season began and my favourite LBS had time to put up with my puttering questioning ways. the purpose of the bike is to replace my classic touring bike of about 15 years (it will be sad to part with it, one too many bikes though) with a bike that is a great commuter with big fenders (and no toe overlap), as well as a bike that can be used for back country road touring, and maybe full back country mtn bike touring, what the hip kids call bikepacking. so the build priorities were frugal, but quality and durability to the multiple tasks. i trust my LBS with advice and cost issues, but as ardent mtn bikers like myself, they definitely steered me to the higher end components. one thing i was keen on was a cool aesthetic (otherwise, the Ogre is really a hybrid right?) and i saw a picture of an early Ogre build with red Velocity Blunt wheels, and it was stunning. so i had a pair of anodized red Blunt's built up with double butted spokes on Hope hubs. the rationale of the hubs (spendier than i wanted) was that they could adapt to any axle style, including the 20mm and 12mm on my mtn bike. ultimately, they fit my 37mm road tires well, but will readily accept the biggest mtn bike tires and can convert to a high end wheelset for my mtn bike. an expensive but nifty proposition.

    the drivetrain is mostly Shimano SLX as well as the brakes, very nice stuff. i'll try the triple as is, and if it requires a couple of bigger rings, i'll cross that bridge later. i got a good price on these bits as they came off of a stock mtn bike that was stripped for a higher spec that the client already had. originally i was going to go with cable brakes like everyone else, but again my 'bike advisor' convinced me that i would much prefer the power and modulation of the hydraulics i'm accustomed to, especially loaded in the mountains. again, a price jump. and that's a 7 inch rotor in front.

    topped off with a Thompson post, and a flat bar off my old mtn bike (i'd like to try bar ends) i'll play with stem length as per usual. in the end this will have been a pretty spendy bike, more than i wished, but it will also be a material step up from the stock offering, and hopefully a high performance, durable and slick riding rig for all terrain.

    i know, i know, all a pack of lies without photos right? stay tuned.....

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    Hope hubs are fantastic - adaptable, easily rebuilt, should last forever. They sure are noisy though - which I don't mind, but I can appreciate why some would.

    I am debating on whether to order a full X.7 2x10 drivetrain right now for mine - all I need is a FD to get rolling, but would be a lot higher performance than my current 2x8 setup with Thumbies...

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    Here is my pretty much done build.
    8 speed Nexus red band
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    -Mounted on the front and enhanced to increase load potential. It is rated a 40# but I wanted a larger safety margin to carry my 26# daughter. It turned out well and I like the long skinny orientation of the rear carrier instead of the wide front basket style.
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    750l light, wicked bright.
    Another veiw of rack mount.
    The cargo straps are Rox Straps they are great, part bungie cord, part strap. Good for precious cargo.
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    Cool bike! What size did you go for?
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    18".
    I forgot to post the kickstand top plate I made. The greenfield and pletcher ones I tried didn't work. I'll do that post some other time.

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    Angle iron, cut to fit, painted with rattle can. Rubber mastic on bottom.

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    For Ogres who like to do the pannier thing, has anyone had problems with heel strike?

    Currently have a surly LHT, great bike, but tempted to go down the discs and hub gear route and worried the panniers might be an issue. The LHT has 460mm chainstays and the rack bolts right at the end, the Ogre has 430 but i think thats to the front of the slot dropout. Does anyone know the length of the dropout or, even better, the distance from BB to pannier mount.

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    My setup is on page 4 of this thread, post 96. I don't run huge paniers in the rear, but with the surly rack, heel strike has not been any issue at all.

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    None on that bike pictured above.
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    finally some pics of the new Ogre. see previous posting a page or so back for detail. VO stainless fenders to come soon, and i'll dabble with the use of bar ends and maybe different stem options. at this point, i need to get out and ride to sort out the feel but the short one's i've had are good as it stands. weather hasn't cooperated for any decent length ride. leaning towards a Tubus rack, but we'll see based on the best fit options. opinions? i was heading off to work, hence the funny look and unfortunately, not by bike, but taking advantage of a sunny break. this is a 24" bike, i'm 6.5 long legs. if anyone is interested, i'll take photos with fenders, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts
    if anyone is interested, i'll take photos with fenders, etc.
    Please, do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    Please, do.
    +1

    I'd also like to know how the VO fenders end up mounting...

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    yes yes, but how bout the bike, check it out, what an awesome machine, the wheels are off the scale, the best Ogre out there bar none!

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    I like mine better, you like yours better. That is as it should be for all. There is no best.
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    No, really though, mine is the best!

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    the ogre is best. period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    finally some pics of the new Ogre. see previous posting a page or so back for detail. VO stainless fenders to come soon, and i'll dabble with the use of bar ends and maybe different stem options. at this point, i need to get out and ride to sort out the feel but the short one's i've had are good as it stands. weather hasn't cooperated for any decent length ride. leaning towards a Tubus rack, but we'll see based on the best fit options. opinions? i was heading off to work, hence the funny look and unfortunately, not by bike, but taking advantage of a sunny break. this is a 24" bike, i'm 6.5 long legs. if anyone is interested, i'll take photos with fenders, etc.
    Hello,

    would you mind measuring the distance from the middle of the Bottom Bracket to the very top of the saddle!

    Thank you Sir !!

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    Hi CrazyLion

    If it's any help to you, my 24" Ogre is currently at 830mm from top of saddle to centre of bottom bracket.

    It's 827mm in this picture

    surly ogre

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BareNecessities View Post
    Hi CrazyLion

    If it's any help to you, my 24" Ogre is currently at 830mm from top of saddle to centre of bottom bracket.

    It's 827mm in this picture

    surly ogre

    Hope that helps.
    That's one neat looking build! What handlebar did you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea monster View Post
    That's one neat looking build! What handlebar did you use?
    Cheers sea monster, the bar's a Truvativ Stylo Team. 680mm width, 20mm rise & 9% sweep. Any narrower, or wider than that just feels wrong to me now ( road bike excluded )

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    Quote Originally Posted by BareNecessities View Post
    Cheers sea monster, the bar's a Truvativ Stylo Team. 680mm width, 20mm rise & 9% sweep. Any narrower, or wider than that just feels wrong to me now ( road bike excluded )
    Thanks, BareNecessities. That's a nice bar at a nice price. I wonder whether it could accommodate straight bar ends (such as the ones below), or whether I would need something more "angled", given the 9% sweep.
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    Straight bar ends would come out at an uncomfortable angle on anything with more than about 5% sweep imho. The type that angle in from the bar, as opposed to those that curve round midway are ok.

    The Titec Pluto are the most comfortable ones I've used & they worked just fine, though I preferred using bar ends on a slightly narrower bar.



    They were quite expensive & I'm not sure if they're still available, but I've seen near identical looking bar ends from Bontrager, Bianchi & Ritchey + some fairly inexpensive direct from China ebay copies.

    Considering how unfashionable they are, there's still a lot of choice out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by BareNecessities View Post
    Hi CrazyLion

    If it's any help to you, my 24" Ogre is currently at 830mm from top of saddle to centre of bottom bracket.

    It's 827mm in this picture

    Hope that helps.
    Your the man

    thanks mate, that's exactly the saddle height I need as well and now I know 24" is the right size ...

    this forum is superb by the way. Very kind and helpful people here

    cheers

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    No problem mate; If it's any further help with sizing, that build has 30mm of headset spacers, a 90mm 10% stem + the 20mm rise handlebars mentioned above. This puts the bars about level with the saddle, which is a bit higher than I'm used to, but my back's not getting any younger

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    Oh, and as a testament to the fabulousness of the Ogre, I'll be getting a second one this year.

    This one will be the utility bike/trailer puller that the first one was intended to be

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    Quote Originally Posted by BareNecessities View Post
    Oh, and as a testament to the fabulousness of the Ogre, I'll be getting a second one this year.

    This one will be the utility bike/trailer puller that the first one was intended to be
    You sure you don't want a monkey and switch around the parts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    You sure you don't want a monkey and switch around the parts?
    I would definitely consider that if Surly made the Karate Monkey in XXL. So far, the only XXL models that I'm aware of in their range are Ogre, Moonlander, LHT & LHT Disc.

    I'm quite curious as to the reasoning behind these models. I would have thought that the Cross Check was Surly's most popular frameset

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    been using my ogre pretty much exclusively for commuting, so i decided to build a bombproof commuter wheelset.
    ordered up some 36 hole xt hubs and gonna use dt comp spokes to lace them to sun rhynolites.
    should be pretty stout....hopefully have them finished by next weekend!

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    jump back, ogre in black attack

    My new black ogre is coming along nicely. I went balls-out on this build. This one goes to eleven (alfine).

    This was the day I got it:



    This was yesterday (I always clamp the seatpost, but lightly clamped the top tube for balancing it level to take this picture):



    Currently:



    I just want to point out that it's not green.
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    " None More Black "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gritter View Post
    My new black ogre is coming along nicely. I went balls-out on this build. This one goes to eleven (alfine).

    This was the day I got it:



    This was yesterday (I always clamp the seatpost, but lightly clamped the top tube for balancing it level to take this picture):



    Currently:



    I just want to point out that it's not green.
    That is gonna be sweet, I like the black

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gritter View Post
    My new black ogre is coming along nicely. I went balls-out on this build. This one goes to eleven (alfine).

    This was the day I got it:
    -Snip-

    Currently:
    -Snip-

    I just want to point out that it's not green.
    *Archer voice* Is it black, or is it a slightly darker shade of black?

    Sweet looking rig. I probably would have gotten a black one if they offered it, but I have to admit I like the Army green. The biggest problem with non-black is color matching if you switch to the Fargo v2 fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter006 View Post
    The biggest problem with non-black is color matching if you switch to the Fargo v2 fork.
    Agreed. I went with black, just in case. Most of the fork options seem to come pre-painted in black, and prefer the fork's color to match the frame. Sometimes a black fork on a colored frame looks really out of place, although it seems to work better with some colors.

    Isn't the Fargo fork pretty much exactly the same as the Ogre's, but with forward-angled (Stainless) dropouts? I considered an Enabler for a minute, but got scared and decided not to join the fat front crowd.
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    (sorry about the crappy phone pics) The cables are super long, incase I need to throw on some apehangers later. (I didn't want to cut them down, until I get everything dialed)



    I really like these non-turn tensioners, because they don't imprint the dropouts with divots and they make disc/centering/chain-tension... a simple and precise process:



    Last edited by Gritter; 01-23-2013 at 05:26 PM.
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