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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasbien View Post
    Hey Mikey, the Ogre looks great. I really like the green.

    I'm almost done building up my new Karate Monkey. Last night I wired my brakes. Did you consider running your front brake cable behind the fork?

    I thought the upper housing mount on the KM fork (same fork as Ogre sans braze ons?) was angled with the intention to pass housing between downtube and fork on its way to the lever. It seems to be a good path for the housing without any contact to the headtube.
    Thanks for the tip. This is my first time installing discs, and I tend to just look at things and think, "hey maybe this should go there." I hadn't thought of routing it under the DT. Looking at the pictures, it seems like it would work, unless it interefered with fenders or bigger tires?

    Do you have any pictures of yours?

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    My Ogre build - over here in the UK!

    Sorry the picture isn't great - crap cameraphone. Will post some more pics later.

    I went for the Ogre as I needed a bike that I could use with a childseat and my 2yr old boy (including maybe some overnight trips) and that I could use as a proper mtb. I got rid of two steel Kona 26" hardtails to get this bike. I bought the Ogre as a frameset and where possible transferred components from the other bikes.

    Spec is:
    Either Ogre fork or Suntour Raidon with 15mm through axles
    Hope Pro2 Evo front hub (withy 15mm adaptors) on Mavic A119 rims
    Hope XC rear hub on A119 rim (this hub is now on it's 5th bike)
    Thomson stem and seatpost
    Brooks B17 saddle
    Avid BB7/XT levers
    XT rapid ride rear mech, LX front mech 8 speed Alivio shifters
    Alivio cranks
    Blackburn rear rack/CoPilot Limo childseat
    Blackburn MTF front rack
    Bontrager MudX Tyres/not sure what road tyres to use, currently Conti Top Touring
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    That looks great! I especially like the brick wall I will also be carting my 2 yr old around on mine, I'm a little worried about the clearance though. I haven't set it up yet. Have you tried yours out?

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    The saddle pack is a little tight around the little one's crotch shall we say The rack struts were adjusted to fit the old bike which had more clearance. I have just got some new struts (from a Topeak rack) which are longer so will fit those. these will give more clearance - I think the problem is down to the struts and the seat angle as the bottom mounting point for the rack is 2cm further back from the bottom bracket than on the old bike so in theory should give more clearance (you may notice the rack isn't quite level).

    Anyhows, I have done a couple fo rides with my son and he doesn't care!

    Stu

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    Do you have any pictures of yours?
    Sure, I'm almost done with my build. Here are some pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Endomorph View Post
    Consider some Schwalbe Big Apples for commuting.
    Love my Big Apples for commuting on my KM. Big Apples plus Planet Bike Cascadia 29er fenders keep me riding plush and dry. I only commute occasionally and it's short, but my exercise rides on pavement are awesome on BAs.


    Quote Originally Posted by studuck View Post
    My Ogre build - over here in the UK!
    I like it studuck! Let us know how it handles with the suspension fork!

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    When I first saw the Ogre on Surly's website, I knew it was the bike for me. Even the color was perfect. All I had to do was wait patiently for a frameset to be available. But then, while I was waiting, I ran across a 2011 Karate Monkey complete (gray single speed) on closeout for $800. I couldn't pass that up, and it was ALMOST the Ogre that I really wanted... It's a great bike, and I have already added gears and moved the single speed parts to an old frame I had (a 2001 Schwinn Sierra 700 GS). Then I start hearing about the "extra" braze ons on the Ogres and I get to thinking about how I really need both bikes, so I decided to buy a frame as soon as I could find one. But then I started thinking about how the KM and Ogre have the same geometry, and wondering if it makes sense to have two bikes so similar. And I worried that the Ogre/KM chainstays might be a little short for touring. So I gave the Salsa Fargo, which was what I wanted before I saw the Ogre, another look. Then naturally I started comparing it to the Long Haul Trucker and Vaya... All four bikes are so similar but so different. Long story short, I ordered a Fargo frame yesterday. My Ogre build will have to wait for another day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Careby View Post
    When I first saw the Ogre on Surly's website, I knew it was the bike for me. Even the color was perfect. All I had to do was wait patiently for a frameset to be available. But then, while I was waiting, I ran across a 2011 Karate Monkey complete (gray single speed) on closeout for $800. I couldn't pass that up, and it was ALMOST the Ogre that I really wanted... It's a great bike, and I have already added gears and moved the single speed parts to an old frame I had (a 2001 Schwinn Sierra 700 GS). Then I start hearing about the "extra" braze ons on the Ogres and I get to thinking about how I really need both bikes, so I decided to buy a frame as soon as I could find one. But then I started thinking about how the KM and Ogre have the same geometry, and wondering if it makes sense to have two bikes so similar. And I worried that the Ogre/KM chainstays might be a little short for touring. So I gave the Salsa Fargo, which was what I wanted before I saw the Ogre, another look. Then naturally I started comparing it to the Long Haul Trucker and Vaya... All four bikes are so similar but so different. Long story short, I ordered a Fargo frame yesterday. My Ogre build will have to wait for another day.
    Oh yeah, I think you're totally on point. Not a whole lot of difference between the pre-2012 KMs and the Ogre. In fact, without any insider knowledge at all, I'll bet Surly stripped down the KM for 2012 because the Ogre sort of carries the torch as the versatile, do everything 29er that the KM used to be. But unless you have a Rolhoff hub or a BOB trailer or a set of old big $ custom touring racks that need braze-ons to mount, the old KM is pretty much the same bike as the Ogre. Aside from the color, of course.

    I think you could justify having both an Ogre and KM, especially if you had them set up differently. Say, one SS with a squish fork for singletrack and the other rigid and racked for commuting/touring. But the Fargo is obviously great for any sort of geared riding and KM/Fargo is going to be an awesome combo. You're going to have a fun 2012.

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    I agree with Careby. The first time I saw the Ogre I knew I had to have it, but now that I'm counting my pennies and determining what I actually need I think I might just go with the KM even if it is only 60 bucks cheaper. The KM still has eyelets for a rear rack if I need it I just wont have all the Braze-ons on the fork... But looking at the pictures I dont know if I want all of the holes in the fork anyway. I guess when it's all said and done I just want a 29er that I can install full coverage fenders on... But I love that Army Green!!

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    The Ogre is so far my "dream bike." Rode the Karate Monkey for a few years and ran into one issue after another. The KM is a "do all bike," but! It doesn't do it all well at the same time. The Ogre has saved the day. With one exception, my old front fender doesn't fit up inside the fork, its too narrow. I'll live though. Pretty much, the KM should be discontinued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by likes_to_roam View Post
    Pretty much, the KM should be discontinued.
    Discontinue the granddaddy of 29ers? No way. Have you noticed how the latest trend in 29er geometry is to make the chainstays as short as possible? Which is pretty much what the KM has had since 2004. KM is still a very relavent bike.

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    Welp
    just ordered my Ogre!! So pumped it's supposed to ship on the 11th....

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    So,
    I plan on building up my Ogre on the cheap with the parts from my 2010 GF Paragon, but I'm already thinking of parts I want to switch out... The first thing I want to change is the Wheelset. I know I want and 36h XT wheelset but for versitility sake should I get disk/ rim such as this
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    or, just stick with the disk brakes???

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    The obvious answer if you already own a KM would be to get a Troll.

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    I canceled the my order for the Ogre. I came across a mint 2009 Salsa Fargo frame set. I couldn't pass it up....

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    You Sir have one of the baddest looking Troll's I've seen. Very nice build!

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    Got z Ogre!

    Hey,
    My frame arrived the other day in all its glory! Very nice! The color rocks! I swung by the LBS after work to pick up some parts that I didn't have on hand. Should start assembly this weekend. Some basic info is Mavic 719 wheels, BB7 brakes, Brooks saddle, sweep bars, Truvative crank/BB, Single Speed for now.

    A couple of questions:
    The badge on my head tube is not sticking down. Since its sort of stiff it wants to peel up on its own. Any suggestions. My apparent options are take it off and fling it somewhere, see if I can glue it with something (3M spray adhesive?), duct tape it on, or have it remade in vinyl and lose the 3D looking plastic. Anyone else battling this?

    Also, under the gusset at the top of the down tube there is a void that got missed in the power coat process, just bare steel under there. I guess I'll just mask it off and spray some black paint in there. Unless I'm upside down you won't be able to see it. Other suggestions?

    Other than that, this will be a fun machine!
    Flat.

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    Congratulations! Looking forward to seeing the build. I had the same problem withthe headtube decal with my Cross Check that I got in 2008. I just used some superglue gel and it stuck fine. I haven't checked my Ogre's "void" yet, I wonder if it's a common problem.

    I've been commuting on mine for about a week now, and it's great. Still tweaking the cockpit and the gears, but overall it's been a ton of fun. Much more nimble and quick feeling loaded down than the Cross Check, even though it's heavier.

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    Its probably hard to get powder in there without getting too much around the mouth as it were. It fairly common for gussted frames, just the surly is one of the few you can see in to notice. White On-ones were notorious for having rusty stains running down the downtube. Spray some paint in or better still, wax oil.

    I've been commuting on mine for about a week now, and it's great. Still tweaking the cockpit and the gears, but overall it's been a ton of fun. Much more nimble and quick feeling loaded down than the Cross Check, even though it's heavier.
    Care to expand on this a litte, how was you CC set-up compared to the Ogre? Was the CC suitable for what it was used for etc. I have a CC and an LHT, tempted to swap the CC for an Ogre but i love my CC so much i dont think i could go through with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickyelsdon View Post

    Care to expand on this a litte, how was you CC set-up compared to the Ogre? Was the CC suitable for what it was used for etc. I have a CC and an LHT, tempted to swap the CC for an Ogre but i love my CC so much i dont think i could go through with it.
    Sure, I've commuted on my CC for about 4 years now, and it was and still is a great bike for this. The CC is set up as a 1x10, although the 10spd was always a little finicky. The only problems I had were the toe overlap, which was pretty bad with 35s and fenders and size 13 feet, and it was pretty harsh feeling, especially on Chicago's terrible roads. I never really loved drop bars either, but I got used to them.

    The Ogre is much smoother with the 45s I have on, and feels more manueverable, kinda "flickable." No toe overlap at all, and I like the more upright position, although it does feel a bit slower, and any sort of illusions I had about looking cool and fast are long gone. I have more confidence tackling crumbling pavement and metal grate bridges too.

    Other observations on my build:

    -The bar ends are coming off, they are pretty pointless here, with no hills. I'm going to chop 1/2" off each end of the bars, which will make it easier to squeeze through traffic and trees.
    -Brake issues are resolved, it was my fault for futzing with them before I installed them and popping the little adjuster thingy out of place.
    -The rear wheel is pretty difficult to remove. I have to take the skewer out and even then it's pretty ugly. Anyone found a way around this?
    -Moving to a 2x9 setup, as soon as I can find a shim for the front der.
    -Moved the stem down about 1/2," but I may drop it a little more.
    -Contemplating names. Possibilities :Eugene, Radar, Klinger

    I'll post some more pictures soon in its full commuter gear.

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    Thanks Mikey, I'll try some gel super glue.
    What bars are you running on yours?

    I swung by the hardware store and got some small stainless steel button head allen bolts to fill up the unused braze ons on. Should help keep from collecting junk in the fork until I use them.

    Flat.

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    They are Race Face Ride XC low rise bars, 640mm wide.

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    Ogre Size?

    Could folks please weigh in on what size Ogre they are riding and what your height and/or inseam length is (if you know it)? Thanks very much for any info...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyharing View Post
    -Contemplating names. Possibilities :Eugene, Radar, Klinger
    Been watching a lot of MASH on TV Land? I always liked Trapper John.

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    Ha, no, not recently. I was raised on it though... I just like the drab green army reference. Plus, it's sort of like a Jeep.

    For the record, I am 6'2", 34" inseam, and I have the 20"

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