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    New Surly 2014 Catalog is out!

    http://surlybikes.com//uploads/downl...14_catalog.pdf


    including geometry on all the new frames!

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    Yes! Thank you. I'm at the hospital with my wife about to have a baby(next 24hrs). And I'm slightly bored lol
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    I usually write people off as kooks when they complain about the frame colors but I gotta say... I was really hoping for an orange LHT or DT. It likely would have pushed me over the edge to get 26" by 60cm LHT or DT.

    Lots of neat stuff here. I'm curious about the trousers that they're doing and the 700x41 knards. Earlier this year I had asked about the Moloko bar which they have bailed on and I was told they were bailing on handlebars. Nice to see the Open Bar is still around. I've grown fond of it. Oh, and the Hurdy Gurdy is smart. The Tuggnut gets in the way when mounting fenders or racks. Who needs a beer opener on their chain tensioner, that's what teef are for.
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    seems as though they're using the jones loop bars for the ogre, troll, and ecr....as well as a fox fork on the instig?!


    pants look interesting, would def like to get a pair...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilroywashere View Post
    seems as though they're using the jones loop bars for the ogre, troll, and ecr....as well as a fox fork on the instig?!
    Jones and Surly worked together on the bar - well, to be more concise, Surly asked Jones to make the bar wider (710mm I believe) and Jones said OK, good idea, we'll do that on our bars from now on.

    I'm really glad to see the Fox fork instead of a cheaper option, but wish it was a 34 reduced to 140mm instead of a 32. Oh well. That's the bike I'm going to be shoveling my money towards this year.

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    pretty stoked to see mostly slx components on it as well, wonder what the price is going to be on it?

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    Stoked on the 64cm Straggler but why is the headtube so short?

    I'm on the fence to pick up a 66cm Soma Double Cross to do the same thing but the straggler is longer in the top tube but with a 40mm shorter headtube and a ton longer toptube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    I'm really glad to see the Fox fork instead of a cheaper option, but wish it was a 34 reduced to 140mm instead of a 32. Oh well. That's the bike I'm going to be shoveling my money towards this year.
    The 32 seems a bit scrawny for an burly Instigator.
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    Yeah, the 62cm Straggler's headtube is only 5mm longer than my 62cm CC. I don't have any interest in the Straggler, but I had been happy when I heard that Surly was moving to longer head tubes.

    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    Stoked on the 64cm Straggler but why is the headtube so short?

    I'm on the fence to pick up a 66cm Soma Double Cross to do the same thing but the straggler is longer in the top tube but with a 40mm shorter headtube and a ton longer toptube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Yeah, the 62cm Straggler's headtube is only 5mm longer than my 62cm CC.
    But with the lower bottom bracket you get a whopping extra 6mm on top of that!!

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    So glad to see the Straggler available in black (I assumed they would have at least one drab color or black). The purple is georgeous... On someone else's bike.

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    Any guesses on the "nothing to see here check back in february" on page 13?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    Any guesses on the "nothing to see here check back in february" on page 13?
    It's in the "trail" section of the catalogue so it's likely a mountain bike...no idea what specifically they have in mind.
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    29+ Conundrum! :P

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    I bet it is some kind of 29+ or fatbike with a suspension fork, but they have to wait until there is a mass-produced fork option. If they're going put a suspension fork on a complete 26+, they may as well do it with a 29+/fattie. Since its not in the omniterra section, but in the "trail", its prolly not a fattie, but 29+ version of the instigator/krampsquish

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    I bet it is some kind of 29+ or fatbike with a suspension fork, but they have to wait until there is a mass-produced fork option. If they're going put a suspension fork on a complete 26+, they may as well do it with a 29+/fattie. Since its not in the omniterra section, but in the "trail", its prolly not a fattie, but 29+ version of the instigator/krampsquish
    I suppose it will be a stock Krampus with 120 mm suspension fork and 29x2,75" dirt wizzard tires. They only have to wait for the fork and so the new 29+ dirt wizard makes sense.

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    Pants?

    Quote Originally Posted by kilroywashere View Post
    seems as though they're using the jones loop bars for the ogre, troll, and ecr....as well as a fox fork on the instig?!


    pants look interesting, would def like to get a pair...
    anyone seen the pants yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thee42 View Post
    Yes! Thank you. I'm at the hospital with my wife about to have a baby(next 24hrs). And I'm slightly bored lol
    That's strange, I'm not excited about anything at my bike shop, so I'm considering adopting a child. I'm just kidding, I don't have the $241,080.00 to raise a kid right now. (I'm just trollin' my bad)

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    waiting for
    - 29 x3.0 dirt wizard
    - more 29+ tires
    - surly studded fat bike tires
    - full suspension fat bike
    - suspension forks, fat and 29+
    - bigger 29+ tires than 3.0, plenty room on fat bike fork
    - 29+ wider than 50mm rim for rear make it 65mm and carbon
    etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by rschultz101 View Post
    waiting for
    - 29 x3.0 dirt wizard
    Won't fit into a Krampus frame.

    - bigger 29+ tires than 3.0
    Won't fit into a Krampus frame.

    - 29+ wider than 50mm rim
    Won't fit into a Krampus frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    Won't fit into a Krampus frame.



    Won't fit into a Krampus frame.



    Won't fit into a Krampus frame.
    +1 - if you are waiting for those better get yourself a comfortable chair. It's going to be a long wait.

    Surly will have to release their 29 x 4" 29++ frame the Hippo-Krampus first!
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    will fit fine in pugs ;-)
    there is always custom frames too, just can't knit your own rubber
    29+ is a little bit skinny and not enough nobs
    so guess I want 29++
    maybe Vee can make 29+ /29++ tires, also with silicon, more pliable and softer
    and the tubeless thingy

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    I was wondering the other day if it would be possible to fit a 65mm 29+ rim in a Krampus, is that a no go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScaryJerry View Post
    I was wondering the other day if it would be possible to fit a 65mm 29+ rim in a Krampus, is that a no go?
    The current RH+Knard combo barely fits. Any wobble in the tire and or rim and it's rubbing.
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    Did we ever find out what the "Check back in February" is? I will note it is now 3-Feb-2014...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    The current RH+Knard combo barely fits. Any wobble in the tire and or rim and it's rubbing.
    I wonder if they'll move that bike over to an 83mm bottom bracket at some point?

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    would love a 65mm/80mm rim 29++ with a 3.8 dirt wizard tire in front of my pugs
    don't think they'll change the 73mm BB on Krampus, you'd better save your pennies , and get a custom frame.
    yeah, where is the news, they better hurry , before the snow melts

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.welby View Post
    I wonder if they'll move that bike over to an 83mm bottom bracket at some point?
    I don't think so. The current BB means folks can put a Krampus together with existing parts from a 29er they have.

    When you are trying to start a new market segment the less obstacles to getting people into it the better.

    They need to sell a bunch of Krampus/ECR bikes to justify the 29+ rims/tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    When you are trying to start a new market segment the less obstacles to getting people into it the better.
    By saying "at some point" I'm assuming that the market segment would be somewhat established, since if the niche fizzles there's no point in making it nich-ier. And as people are sold on the tire size they will probably want something that's more refined in drivetrain choices, better clearances, shorter stays, etc. It's more rhetorical question to start some discussion and get the idea out there that Moonlander equivalent of the Krampus would be a cool bike. 83mm bottom bracket with a 7.5 mm offset 135 rear end (essentially dishless!), maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.welby View Post
    By saying "at some point" I'm assuming that the market segment would be somewhat established, since if the niche fizzles there's no point in making it nich-ier.
    We are at year 2 of the 29+ thing so no time soon. I'm not really thinking about what might happen in 2017 and beyond.

    Fatbikes took a while to catch on and they open a whole new set of terrain possibilities to cyclists.

    I love my Krampus and rode it a lot last year, but I didn't ride anything that I couldn't have ridden on a "normal" 29er.

    That gives me some pause as to how big the 29+ market will grow.

    For sure it's cool and fun, but will enough people see the point in spending premium $$ going to the new standard? I'm not sure.

    If we get another 29+ tire or two to fit existing frames I think we'll be doing well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    That gives me some pause as to how big the 29+ market will grow.
    Now that I think about it, I wonder if they missed an opportunity to put the mid-fat tire size on 650b. That way you'd get a range of tire widths with roughly equal outside diameters and you wouldn't be trying to fit bigger tires size on the rim size that's already, um, kramped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.welby View Post
    Now that I think about it, I wonder if they missed an opportunity to put the mid-fat tire size on 650b. That way you'd get a range of tire widths with roughly equal outside diameters and you wouldn't be trying to fit bigger tires size on the rim size that's already, um, kramped.
    +1 - For sure. They must have some tough decisions to make at Surly HQ. Lots of cool ideas and only so many $$ to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    +1 - For sure. They must have some tough decisions to make at Surly HQ. Lots of cool ideas and only so many $$ to work with.
    I fully admit to 20/20 hindsight, armchair quarterbacking, etc. I have a lot of respect for those guys too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Did we ever find out what the "Check back in February" is? I will note it is now 3-Feb-2014...
    I think this is addressed here: New Karate Monkey 2014?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomer754 View Post
    I think this is addressed here: New Karate Monkey 2014?
    If that is true, there were two different KM versions in the catalog. Does this make sense?

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    Well... apparently we were wrong! The answer is...

    Ice Cream Truck

    I have a 2014 Pugs, and am happy with it, but am interested to see what everyone thinks of ICT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Well... apparently we were wrong! The answer is...

    Ice Cream Truck

    I have a 2014 Pugs, and am happy with it, but am interested to see what everyone thinks of ICT.
    But this cannot be the bike on the blank page "Check back in february" in the 2014 catalog, because this page is in the chapter "Trail bikes" and not "Fat Bikes". I suppose the ICT will come 2015.

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