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    Thanks everyone. Meat Foot I have it set up with 26" wheels at the moment all though I have used 650b wheels on it. Once the choice of 650b x 1.75-1.9" tires increases I'll do the conversion again. Fenders are cheap Axioms. The Troll and the LHT are 2 bikes that I can't imagine being without.

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    Getting ready to make changes.

    I love my LHT and am pretty happy with it as is but can't help but want to make some changes after using this set-up for the past two years. Currently it has platform pedals, 48cm wide Nitto Noodles and Schwalbe Marathon tires (700x38). It also sports a Pletscher twin legged kickstand. It's a great bike. Perfect for rambling and, obviously, for camping and touring. Still, I think it's time to make some changes. I'm gonna cut the steerer tube by 2cm and lower the bars 2 cm. I'm also going to swap out the 48cm bars for some 46cm Noodles. I'm also going to move to DT shifters I think and nix the kickstand and rack. Oh, and I'll likely go back to SPDs for a spell. As for the tires, I'll probably put on the Jack Brown Greens I have laying around. Should be interesting to see how the bike rides. I think it'll be ideal for more sprightly rambles.

    Here's my LHT and some images from yesterday's ramble out to the Columbia River Gorge. It was a cold and foggy day. I rode a new section of the Old Columbia Hwy bike path that was recently completed. It's great and now means that when riding from Portland and across the Bridge of the Gods you don't have to ride on the Hwy shoulder. This is also the route to take if heading into Gifford Pinchot NF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Here's my LHT and some images from yesterday's ramble out to the Columbia River Gorge. It was a cold and foggy day. I rode a new section of the Old Columbia Hwy bike path that was recently completed. It's great and now means that when riding from Portland and across the Bridge of the Gods you don't have to ride on the Hwy shoulder. This is also the route to take if heading into Gifford Pinchot NF.
    Good on you for getting out into the chill and perpetual gloom of the Gorge this time of year!

    Did you see many other cyclists out and about?

    Question: what are you looking to gain from a switch to slightly narrower bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    Good on you for getting out into the chill and perpetual gloom of the Gorge this time of year!

    Did you see many other cyclists out and about?

    Question: what are you looking to gain from a switch to slightly narrower bars?
    While I prefer the Gorge when it's sunny, it's not so bad on a day like this. It didn't rain and the roads were fairly quiet for a sunday. I saw only two other cyclist.

    I'll likely put the 48cm on my Rivendell once I'm sure I'll like the 46s on the LHT. I also have a set of Cowbells hanging around.
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    Changes.

    Made some changes to the LHT. Removed the kickstand and rack. Put on a narrower bar, 48 to 46cm wide, cut the steerer tube a tad and lowered the bar, swapped the tires from 38mm Marathons to 35mm Marathon Supremes and swapped the pedals from VP platforms to SPDs. Hoping to head out for a mixed terrain ramble this afternoon. I'll be curious to see how it rides, it's been quite some time since I rode it set-up even remotely like this.

    Why the changes? 2012 was a big year for me cycling which included lots of randonneuring, long solo rides, some camping and culminated in completing a long-time ambition of doing the Cascade 1200k. I tapered back big time in 2013 due to being a bit burnt but also because my wife was pregnant. Our daughter was born in aug and my mom was diagnosed with lung cancer a few days later. She passed this month. While I got in some nice rambles during this time, things are settling down a bit and I'm feeling a bit more ambitious, wanting to push the pace with my riding. I have other, "nicer" bikes but I love my LHT. It's versatile, capable, and dependable. So I'll pick-up the pace initially with the LHT but will likely make changes to my CC in a few months from SS commuter to geared drop bar bike. Most of all, I'm just looking forward to less thinking about bikes and more riding in 2014.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Made some changes to the LHT. Removed the kickstand and rack. Put on a narrower bar, 48 to 46cm wide, cut the steerer tube a tad and lowered the bar, swapped the tires from 38mm Marathons to 35mm Marathon Supremes and swapped the pedals from VP platforms to SPDs. Hoping to head out for a mixed terrain ramble this afternoon. I'll be curious to see how it rides, it's been quite some time since I rode it set-up even remotely like this.

    Why the changes? 2012 was a big year for me cycling which included lots of randonneuring, long solo rides, some camping and culminated in completing a long-time ambition of doing the Cascade 1200k. I tapered back big time in 2013 due to being a bit burnt but also because my wife was pregnant. Our daughter was born in aug and my mom was diagnosed with lung cancer a few days later. She passed this month. While I got in some nice rambles during this time, things are settling down a bit and I'm feeling a bit more ambitious, wanting to push the pace with my riding. I have other, "nicer" bikes but I love my LHT. It's versatile, capable, and dependable. So I'll pick-up the pace initially with the LHT but will likely make changes to my CC in a few months from SS commuter to geared drop bar bike. Most of all, I'm just looking forward to less thinking about bikes and more riding in 2014.
    Sorry to hear about your mother, but congrats on your new baby. I love your idea of just riding. I've been reading a lot of Grant Peterson's stuff and have implemented some of the ideas in my riding. Best wishes in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Sorry to hear about your mother, but congrats on your new baby. I love your idea of just riding. I've been reading a lot of Grant Peterson's stuff and have implemented some of the ideas in my riding. Best wishes in 2014.
    Hey, thanks for the condolences. 2013 was definitely bittersweet. I'm confident that 2014 will be good with lots of new experiences.

    Yesterday the ride on the LHT was great. It definitely feels different than the previous set-up. I got out for about 40 miles with lots of climbing, some dirt and a pit stop for V8 and a yam. This was my first ride in bibs and SPDs in like 6 months. It felt good. As fun as my LHT was, I think it'll be headed for commuter duties and the CC will get some drops and gears for the more sprightly rides. I got the derailers, shifters and bars laying around.

    For the past couple of years that I've lived here in Portland I've been without a car. Now I have one so I'm looking forward to day trips into the Gifford Pinchot and Mt Hood NF. I've done a fair amount of riding out there but usually while on touring, camping or hellaciously long day rides. It'll be nice to be able to motor out there and avoid all the urban junk miles on the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    As fun as my LHT was, I think it'll be headed for commuter duties and the CC will get some drops and gears for the more sprightly rides. I got the derailers, shifters and bars laying around.
    LOL! Reading through your post above, I thought you'd come around to that realization in short order. I think you'll find the CC more to your satifaction for unloaded riding.

    Let me echo the condolences on the loss of your mother and your rough year in general. Hoping you have a better 2014.
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    Any of you use Velo Orange front racks?

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    Looking to put one on a Disc Trucker. I'm assuming no issues, but I'm not familiar with racks in general.

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    I have one on my CC. Really nice looking racks and perfect for a light load and mounting a light. Mine is the type that mounts on the cantilever posts. For the one you're looking at, you might need p-clamps to mount it, unless the mount lines up with the rack braze-on's on the fork.
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    Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. If it came down to it, I don't mind using P-clamps, but I would rather find one that fits on the stock rack mount. I saw Nitto's, but they were almost twice as much.

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    The fork braze ons are designed for low rider racks and I think are too low to use for the rando-style front racks. Could be wrong about that. But the p-clamps are cheap, so it shouldn't be too bad to order the clamps with the rack and if you don't need 'em, no biggie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    The fork braze ons are designed for low rider racks and I think are too low to use for the rando-style front racks. Could be wrong about that. But the p-clamps are cheap, so it shouldn't be too bad to order the clamps with the rack and if you don't need 'em, no biggie.
    From the VO page on that rack: "This rack does not mount to low-rider bosses or onto canti-brake bikes. It requires eyelets on the fork blades or p-clamps. If you are having a frame built, please tell your builder that the eyelets should be about 3.75" below the bottom of the fork crown (but it's best to give the builder the rack beforehand)."

    You should be able to measure approximately where on your fork the struts will come to and make a decision from there. I use the Nitto version that connects to the canti posts on my CC, where it supports a rando-style front bag. I'm really happy with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Any of you use Velo Orange front racks?
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    Looking to put one on a Disc Trucker. I'm assuming no issues, but I'm not familiar with racks in general.
    That rack won't work on your DT without P-clamps. I would save your money and get the Nitto rack. I have one of the Nitto Mark's racks that I've had for years and it's great. Very versatile and can be mounted front or rear. You could mount it on your DT without P-clams because the struts should be long enough to reach your mid fork braze-ons. But remember too, it will impact handling of the bike a bit having a front rack and weight up high. Nothing you probably can't handle, but just FYI.
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    Good looking trucker. I've been going the opposite direction: 2-legged kickstand back on, clipless pedals gone in favor of flats with mini toe clips, Compass (Panaracer) tires replacing the Schwalbe Marathon Supremes. Mr. Peterson has had more than a little influence on my riding philosophy as of late. Most of it good.

    The LHT is the ultimate country bike, and the only bike I want to ride any more. Grocery store, commute, all day epic, touring, dirt...it does it all with aplomb. My favorite riding is mixed terrain. The only nit to pick with the LHT is the low bb height leading to more-than-occasional pedal strikes on narrow-gauge trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    That rack won't work on your DT without P-clamps. I would save your money and get the Nitto rack. I have one of the Nitto Mark's racks that I've had for years and it's great. Very versatile and can be mounted front or rear. You could mount it on your DT without P-clams because the struts should be long enough to reach your mid fork braze-ons. But remember too, it will impact handling of the bike a bit having a front rack and weight up high. Nothing you probably can't handle, but just FYI.
    Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll spring for the Nitto rack.

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    Which kickstand are you guys using? I'm thinking of picking up a Pletcher 2 legger. I'm curious how you all have it mounted. What did you use to protect the frame? On rivbike.com, it comes with those plastic inserts that might be handy. Not expensive, but not cheap at $50. Curious what the consensus is.

    Too bad they didn't weld up a plate like on the Big Dummy (although their reasoning seems valid).

    Edit: Just placed an order for one. Hope it will work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Which kickstand are you guys using? I'm thinking of picking up a Pletcher 2 legger. I'm curious how you all have it mounted. What did you use to protect the frame? On rivbike.com, it comes with those plastic inserts that might be handy. Not expensive, but not cheap at $50. Curious what the consensus is.

    Too bad they didn't weld up a plate like on the Big Dummy (although their reasoning seems valid).

    Edit: Just placed an order for one. Hope it will work out.
    I used a Pletscher twin legger purchased through RBW and it worked great on my LHT. Be sure to utilize the kickstand sandwich. I put cloth bar tape around the stays before mounting it. You'll need to rim the legs. I really liked mine and will likely put it back on my LHT at some point. And yeah, they really should add a kickstand plate to the LHT and DT.
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    Thanks, dfltroll. I ordered mine through RBW as well. I've got some hockey tape that I'll use on the stays, which will hopefully stave off scratches.

    Did you use any Loctite on the bolt? I don't think I'll use Loctite just yet. I have some Oatey's joint compound that I used to use on my Niner's EBB (acts like plumber's teflon tape), which should help in keeping that in there.

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    I lined the mounting surfaces with some sticky backed bar tape and a little blue Loctite on the bolt. After 3000 miles it hasn't moved at all.
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    Something so right about that LHT.

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    Great looking bikes from all. I have questions from anybody using ergon grips. I have albatross bars on my Trucker and have worn out the Rivendale cork grips I have had. (they cracked and split). I was going to use ergon grips as the replacement but wondered about my bar end shifters. will they work together??

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    got everything loaded up outside of food, took her for a quick ride, amazingly smooth and steady with a load... going to get her on a decent ride tomorrow and make sure I'm set for my tour next week on the Katy Trail up in MO...

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    Looking good! I'm jealous, have a safe trip.

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    Your bike looks great and I hope you put pictures and a story up about your ride.

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    I have an LHT and it is the best bike I have ever owned, bar none.

    I've run it with an Ultegra group, I've run it with Deore XT, with SRAM + bar ends. On 25c Marathons and 47c Big Apples. It's been with me in Portugal, Germany, the Czech Republic and Denmark. I've hauled office chairs with it, I ride it to the store in shorts and flip-flops... and I've gotten a few Strava KOMs on it. Hell, I rode it for a good few km of Portuguese beaches too.

    It's easily the greatest bike I've ever owned, much more comfortable than an aluminium MTB with a Bomber fork.

    I'll post pictures later - came to the forum looking for info about fenders - but seeing this thread got me all sentimental.

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    No big tours lately for my Trucker, just some local type miles. Lately not much time so have just been grabbing it when I can, sometimes by myself, sometimes with my boy and sometimes just hooking up with anyone looking for a few hours riding.
    I love this thread, looking at everyones Truckers in nice places and reading their stories.
    Just thought I'd share a couple of pics.
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    My new partner

    Long Haul Truckers...-image.jpgMy new traveling companion! Planning a month long tour this summer. Now I have to decide, Trucker or Ogre. Thanks to all the previous posters for the build inspirations. This set up is incredibly comfortable and ready for adventure!

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    Had my LHT for almost 5 years now and the paint was looking a little ratty in places so I stripped it down and had it powder-coated from this



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    Quote Originally Posted by elduderino12 View Post
    Had my LHT for almost 5 years now and the paint was looking a little ratty in places so I stripped it down and had it powder-coated from this



    That looks great. Love the LHT.
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    Two questions for all the LHT owners:

    A) with a 18t cog and a 32 or 36t ring, can you get the chain anywhere near a "magic gear" tension? Not looking for overall singlespeed performance but only for a bailout solution in case of derailleur failure.

    B) which one would you prefer offroad, 700c with 45mm tire or 26" with 2.1 tire?

    Thanks

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    how serious of offroad riding are you talking about? for gravel grinding sort of riding the 700c would be fine but for anything more serious I'd choose the 26" given those two as an option... but if it's true off roading neither is very good with the low BB height and I'd choose either the Ogre or Troll (Ogre for me as i'm partial to 29er) over the LHT, it would also fix the question of running SS.
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    Ze - I don't know if LHT has a magic gear, but between the 3 rings in front and 9 or 10 gears in the back, I'm sure you could find some combo that would work to get you back to civilization. Carry a half-link, if you're really worried about it. Also, you know the derailleur hanger on the LHT is steel, which means its bendable. So you could carry a screwdriver or something to lever the hanger back into alignment if you wack it good (I'm assuming that's what you're concerned about).

    On the 26" vs. 700c question, the conventional wisdom use to be that the 26" works better for offroad since it'll fit "real" mountain bike tires. However, the latest crop of 700c gravel grinding tires has changed that calculus, IMO. With a set of 43mm Bruce Gordon Rock n' Roads or 40mm Clement X'Plor MSO's, you'd be all set for anything but the roughest trails. While the LHT would not be the best choice extensive off-road bikepacking, I think it will handle the occasional foray just fine, especially if you are not opposed to "hike-a-biking" here and there.
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    I've ridden my Disc Trucker on everything from smooth asphalt to single track and find 40c tires was the best compromise for multi-terrain situations. The geometry on my 56cm frame is similar to my first MTB ('87 Diamondback Topanga) but with a lower bottom bracket. I felt the handling was a little sketchy in rough sections but doable. I ended up buying a Ogre for my rides involving single track and put 35c tires on the trucker which still see's gravel roads but no more rough stuff, after all it is a touring bike.
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    Thanks for all the answers,

    Regarding the magic gear, I ask because I have the habit to carry a 18t bolt on fixed gear cog. It makes up for drivetrain and brake problems, and believe me or not, has saved me more than once.
    Using an online magic-gear calculator I've found that a 44-18 should be near perfect on the LHT! Problem solved.

    About the tires, my original plan was to set it up with 40 or 45mm Smart Sams for general use. By offroad I mean dirt tracks and some singletrack. I dont expect it to be an enduro bike on singletrack, just to be capable enough to clear it.

    Like many before me, I am terribly splited between the Cross Check and the LHT.
    The CC seems to be more capable offroad with a taller bb, and overall zipier like a true cyclocross bike, but the LHT seems stouter and comfier. By the way, I weight almost 200lbs, and sometimes (not often) carry some weight on the racks.
    Decisions....decisions. ...

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    Camping barge.

    Heading out next week for 4 days to ride the OR Old West Scenic Bikeway. And more. Should be fun. Just put on a new cassette, chain and rings. Also finally had the Mavic A719 rims I had been sitting on for over a year build up on an old pair of XT hubs. Added the Pletscher twin leg kickstand and the Schwalbe Marathons and I'm good to go. I'll take the front rack off before the trip as I'll only be using rear panniers. I love this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    The CC seems to be more capable offroad with a taller bb, and overall zipier like a true cyclocross bike, but the LHT seems stouter and comfier.
    That's pretty much what it comes down to. I have the CC because I do more spirited dirt rides with no load. Also running singlespeed. If I were to do more touring, I'd go trucker for sure. They will both handle the other fairly well, so I'd say you can't go wrong.

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    Thanks for the help.

    My biggest fear with the LHT is the very low BB.
    The thing is, I like a low bb on a mtb frame. The rigid frame with the better handling at the rough stuff I ever had was a Singular Swift, which had a bb drop of over 70mm with the EBB on the lowest setting. I quite liked the "in the bike" feeling.

    However, with the LHT I intend to also ride it with 35mm cyclocross tires, which I fear would lower the bb to dangerous levels on the trails

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    I've ridden both the CC and LHT off road with 45mm tires and, I may be in the minority here, but I preferred the LHT. Yes, the CC was more spritely and maneuverable. However, neither was as capable (obviously) as a proper mountain bike. The Trucker definitely felt more planted and was "carvey" in the turns due to that low BB. I don't find the low BB to be a problem except in extremely rough terrain, deep ruts or a highly kanted trails on the side of a hill. But I'm not opposed to hike-a-biking on occasion. The LHT also has less toe overlap (both 58cm frames w 700c tires), which I find to be a bigger deal off road than on. I should add that I usually ride at a modest clip and was not trying to set KOM records on the LHT.

    Of course, the Ogre and Troll are Surly's off road tourers, though both of those frames are based on more pure mountain bike geometry and don't sound like quite what you're looking for. If I wanted a bike similar to the LHT, but with more off road capability, I would give a serious look at the Velo Orange Camargue. If you can find a Gen 1 Salsa Fargo, that would be a great option too.
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    Thank you very much,

    I'm not looking for a true mtb, just trying to have some fun at the trails sometimes.

    Did you find the riding position of the LHT much more comfortable than on the CC?
    Any pics of your bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Thank you very much,

    I'm not looking for a true mtb, just trying to have some fun at the trails sometimes.

    Did you find the riding position of the LHT much more comfortable than on the CC?
    The LHT will have a more upright position, but depends on what you find more comfortable.

    One other option to consider: I also have a 650b randonneur bike with 42mm tires. Actually does well off road and if I had a bit fatter 650b x 50mm tires, would ride well on the trails. So consider a 26" Disc Trucker and slap on 650b wheels. That will raise the BB a bit and give you the ability to go with a fatter tire than the 700c version. For road only rides, tires like a Grand Bois Hetre, Compass or Soma offerings will offer a cushy road ride with low rolling resistance.

    By the way, some guy did the Tour Divide last year on a fixed gear Disc Trucker. (Drew Mcintosh) Pretty cool.

    One more thing to add: I do like the longer (normal sized) head tube on the LHT. CC has a tiiiny head tube.

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    Sure! Here's the CC:

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    Here's the LHT:
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    I don't have them configured like this anymore. Those are the same tires on both bikes. As said above, the LHT gets the bars up higher, which is important offroad as you will want to use the drops as the main hand position. For that reason, I found the LHT more comfortable. Sure the LHT has longer chainstays and that's supposed to smooth out the ride. But, as they say, "rigid is rigid", so I'm not sure that made a big difference to the "butt-in-seat" feel. I did much prefer the Brooks Flyer (the one with the springs) to the B17 when riding offroad, but that is of course a set up issue and has nothing to do with the frames.
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    Thanks for all the help guys.

    It's ridiculous, I've never been so undecided between two bikes before.

    The Cross Check seems to be a versatile bike, and looks to be great fun on the trails with both 45mm or even 35mm CX tires.

    The LHT however has a special appeal, it just looks like the ultimate "throw anything at it", do everything with confidence, utility SHTF proof bike.

    Here are some LHTs that make me drool (authors of the pics, feel free to ask me to remove the images):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Thanks for all the help guys.

    It's ridiculous, I've never been so undecided between two bikes before.

    The Cross Check seems to be a versatile bike, and looks to be great fun on the trails with both 45mm or even 35mm CX tires.

    The LHT however has a special appeal, it just looks like the ultimate "throw anything at it", do everything with confidence, utility SHTF proof bike.
    If you are a heavier rider and/or you are going to load up your LHT a lot it's a great bike. I've owned two both the 700c and 26" versions.

    If you are not going to ride loaded often and you aren't a cylde it's a tank that I don't think rides all that great unloaded.
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    I weight close to 195/200lbs unequipped.
    Most of my riding is going to be unloaded, but I want it to perform when the time comes

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    I really want an LHT. Right now I've got a 1997 hardrock that effectively does what the 26" lht would do. I may still be able to convince myself to pick up a 26" frameset to swap parts to.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vaultbrad View Post
    I really want an LHT. Right now I've got a 1997 hardrock that effectively does what the 26" lht would do. I may still be able to convince myself to pick up a 26" frameset to swap parts to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    The LHT however has a special appeal, it just looks like the ultimate "throw anything at it", do everything with confidence, utility SHTF proof bike.
    Yes, exactly! That's probably why I've hung on to mine for so long, although I have been very tempted to trade it in on an Ogre at times. And now the VO Camargue is beckoning. But, I'll probably keep the Trucker. It just does everything I want and need it to at this point in my life. Oh yeah, here's happy snap of how it looks now:
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    bolandjd - that is a bomber set up. Probably exactly how I'd set it up minus mustache bars and 700c wheels. I've got that same trailer as well. Except the built in front wheels yours has.

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    Hey everyone, awesome info and pics of the LHT! My wife and I are looking at buying new rides and while she's dead set on a more road-ish bike (possibly the LHT or maybe a Vaya), I'm torn. We don't ride any hard core trails, but like the idea of being able to go off road a little too. We probably spend about 1/2 of our time on pavement and the other time split between gravel and packed dirt paths. We also like the idea of being able to load them up and go camping for the weekend too.

    I have some back and neck issues, so I prefer a more upright sitting bike. I've looked into the LHT as well as the Troll as I like 26". I've also looked at the Salsa Fargo as I'm ok with 29" and was told the natural position is more upright than on most other rides. But with the combo of the 29" wheels and the higher price tag (compared to the LHT and Troll), unless someone says the Fargo would be truly perfect for me, I'd lean towards one of the Surlys.

    Thanks for the feedback! These forums are amazing helpers!

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    cassavant - here is an article on LHT and Vaya:

    Salsa Vaya 1000 Mile Review (or our thoughts on Salsa Vaya vs. Surly LHT) @ The Path Less Pedaled

    Personally, I would get a 26" Disc Trucker, and fit it with 650b wheels and 42mm tires. I've got some Grand Bois tires on my randonneur bike and they're awesome on pavement and dirt. Check out this blog:

    Off The Beaten Path | News from Bicycle Quarterly and Compass Bicycles

    There are several good articles on the subject. But all bikes you listed should work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    cassavant - here is an article on LHT and Vaya:

    Salsa Vaya 1000 Mile Review (or our thoughts on Salsa Vaya vs. Surly LHT) @ The Path Less Pedaled

    Personally, I would get a 26" Disc Trucker, and fit it with 650b wheels and 42mm tires. I've got some Grand Bois tires on my randonneur bike and they're awesome on pavement and dirt. Check out this blog:

    Off The Beaten Path | News from Bicycle Quarterly and Compass Bicycles

    There are several good articles on the subject. But all bikes you listed should work out.
    Hey Phsycle - thanks for the info! Much appreciated. I went down to the LBS today (again) and actually took a Fargo 3 for a ride. Man, that bike was so nice! I didn't think I'd like the woodchipper bars, but they seemed pretty comfy.

    They didn't have a Troll or an Ogre in the shop, so I took out a couple of Trek mountain bikes - one a 26" and the other a 29er. I honestly preferred the shifty feeling the 26" wheels provided. They seem to be more nimble than the bigger 29ers are, and I dig that.

    All in all, I'm really leaning towards getting myself the Troll and my wife the LHT.

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    Sounds like a plan. My wife loves her (Disc) Trucker. Troll's are pretty sweet, too. MTB geo, so if that works for you, go for it. You can outfit that with a 650b if you wish (in the future).

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    Another boring question:
    LHT owners, could you please measure the distance of the pedal axle to the ground on your bikes (crank at 6h). Also indicate tire size.

    Thank you very much

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    [QUOTE=Ze_Zaskar;11314439]Another boring question:
    LHT owners, could you please measure the distance of the pedal axle to the ground on your bikes (crank at 6h). Also indicate tire size.
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    That measurement is the bottom bracket height, which is a common ly supplied measurement..this helps compare frames without being there.

    I have a LHT and a Fargo, while similar they are very different. The LHT has a lower bottom bracket, lower to ground ...easier on/off.
    the steering loves to go straight..very stable bike. 622-42 Duremes, largest tire with fenders here. While I ride my LHT all terrain it is a pavement cruiser.

    The Fargo, quicker steering, higher BB, clearance for bigger tiires if needed. Also I get a more upright position..riser bar..need one bike like this. I run 622-50 Duremes, and Icespikers in the winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Another boring question:
    LHT owners, could you please measure the distance of the pedal axle to the ground on your bikes (crank at 6h). Also indicate tire size.

    Thank you very much
    9.5cm with schwalbe, little big ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by gomadtroll View Post
    That measurement is the bottom bracket height, which is a common ly supplied measurement..this helps compare frames without being there.
    The measurement I see most often is BB drop. BB drop is way more precise, but the pedal axle to ground that I asked helps to get an idea os how low the bb actually is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fatalpine View Post
    9.5cm with schwalbe, little big ben
    Ok, that's very low, and it is a 40mm tire. I imagine with a 35mm tire...
    I have a bike with a 110 pedal axle height with 42mm tires that consider to be low...

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    You would also need to factor in the crank length. But low BB is pretty much mandatory on a touring bike like the LHT, so no surprise there. This is why if I got one, I'd go 650b on a 26" frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    You would also need to factor in the crank length. But low BB is pretty much mandatory on a touring bike like the LHT, so no surprise there. This is why if I got one, I'd go 650b on a 26" frame.
    With 170mm crank.

    On my cross check I have 13cm with schwalbe big ben 46X622 and 170mm crank

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatalpine View Post
    With 170mm crank.

    On my cross check I have 13cm with schwalbe big ben 46X622 and 170mm crank
    Yeah, I have 43's on my Cross Check (170mm cranks) and still get strikes off-road. Not too bad, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatalpine View Post
    With 170mm crank.

    On my cross check I have 13cm with schwalbe big ben 46X622 and 170mm crank
    Outch, so that's with 170mm cranks...mine are 175mm.

    So we are talking about 90mm to the ground here...
    This might be a deal breaker for me

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    no pedal strike issues here

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    The garage door handle might say otherwise...


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    Hey LHT experts! I need your help. I found a used 2008 LHT for sale locally, and his asking price is $850. He says it has roughly 6000 miles on it, he's been the only owner, and he's selling to free up some money for custom build project. It has the stock saddle and pedals to get me started, and no upgrades. He says it's been handled with very good care and can be a daily driver on day 1. Pictures look nice, decals are all there, minor scuffs as you'd expect from a 6 year old bike, etc. I'd assume tires will need to be replaced at some point if they have 6000 miles on them.

    Is $850 a good price? What should I offer for it?

    Thanks everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassavant89 View Post
    Hey LHT experts! I need your help. I found a used 2008 LHT for sale locally, and his asking price is $850. He says it has roughly 6000 miles on it, he's been the only owner, and he's selling to free up some money for custom build project. It has the stock saddle and pedals to get me started, and no upgrades. He says it's been handled with very good care and can be a daily driver on day 1. Pictures look nice, decals are all there, minor scuffs as you'd expect from a 6 year old bike, etc. I'd assume tires will need to be replaced at some point if they have 6000 miles on them.

    Is $850 a good price? What should I offer for it?

    Thanks everyone!
    The msrp for a complete LHT in 2008 was around $900 (I forget the exact price), so if he bought it on sale, $850 could be what he originally paid for it. Has it really had no depreciation in 6 years? Whether its still worth that much, I think, depends mostly on the condition it's in. If the guy has never replaced wear items like the cassette, chainrings, chain, and cables, then there's no way. He's probably dumping it before it needs some big money dropped into it. On the otherhand, if drivetrain is fresh and the maintenance is current and everything is in good condition, than it could be worth it. In 2008, the LHT had some pretty good stock parts - Sugino cranks, XT hubs and rear de, Dura Ace barcons. The parts spec has slipped a little bit in recent years, IMO. But, like you said, its still a 6 year old bike with 6 years and 6000 miles of wear and tear. 6000 miles and everything is still 100% stock? Sounds fishy to me.

    So here's what I would do. Go check out the bike. Look at the chainrings (especially the middle one) and the cassette. Are the teeth worn and hooked, or do they look relatively new? Check the chain with a chain wear tool. Is it good to go, or stretched and needing replacement? Check the cables. Are the cables or housings cut, split, rusty, frayed, or otherwise not functioning smoothly? Check the headset, bottom bracket, and hubs for smooth operation. Check the rims for wear. Check the brake pads for wear. Check the tires. For anything that needs immediate replacement (like a bald tire, worn chainring, stretched chain), research the cost to replace it with an equivalent part. Add it up and then subtract that figure from the $850 he's asking for. For worn but still serviceable parts, like the rims maybe, make a judgment call on how much more to subtract. That'd be a fair counter offer, I think. Don't forget to look the frame and fork over real close too. Good luck.
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    It depends where "locally" is. Some markets, there is high demand for bikes like that, so drives the price up. Around here, $850 is way too much. Probably $600 is an avg price. But use bolandjd's method to negotiate. Good thing is, LHT's will last forever.

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    Update - bottom line price is $725. He says he replaced the original tires after the first summer, but put them back on to sell bike. Nothing else has been swapped out. Excessive chainring and cassette wear is not apparent.

    My gut is telling me $725 for a 6000+ mile bike with all original parts is too much to spend. I'm not going to buy.

    Thanks everyone!

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    The basket rack is mounted in 3 spots, the brake studs, fork crown and handlebar

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    Nice basket! I've been using a front rack myself (Nitto M12). I actually want to get a Cetma 5-bar rack now. So useful.

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    Saddle Up - that's a great looking bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Outch, so that's with 170mm cranks...mine are 175mm.

    So we are talking about 90mm to the ground here...
    This might be a deal breaker for me
    Had the opportunity to have a ride on a frame with a 80mm BB drop this weekend, with 35c tires. Didn´t liked it, pedals too close to the ground on anything except road.

    On the other hand, just realized that a 26" trucker with 26x2.0 tires has a reasonably tall bb....

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    You guys are over thinking the BB height thing, IMHO. Yeah, its low. But its not so low that its a problem on dirt roads or smoothish trails. You've got to be in some deep ruts or serious knar for pedal strike to be an issue. Even then, if you're going downhill or have some momentum, you can always level the pedals and coast. But if you're really worried about offroad performance, get an Ogre or Fargo and ride happy.

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    Discussions aside, anyone saw this build?:

    ???????????????? ????????????????????????????? ????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Discussions aside, anyone saw this build?:

    ???????????????? ????????????????????????????? ????????
    That thing is fabolus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
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    ???????????????? ????????????????????????????? ????????
    Wow - that's one amazing looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
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    ???????????????? ????????????????????????????? ????????
    That is one of the nicest Trucker builds I've ever seen.
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    That thing is one of the coolest Surlys I've ever seen, thanks for the link. I've got to hand it to the Japanese, they approach "bike styling" from a whole different angle. That colour-combo would NEVER have occurred to me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Discussions aside, anyone saw this build?:

    ???????????????? ????????????????????????????? ????????

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    Yes, it is amazing
    I believe It's my favorite LHT so far, it joins retro, mtb, expedition and utility in a single bike

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    Looking at the new model LHT complete parts list, I notice some things have changed and was wondering if the changes are slight or if they'll change the bike at all?

    New - Long Haul Trucker | Bikes | Surly Bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassavant89 View Post
    Looking at the new model LHT complete parts list, I notice some things have changed and was wondering if the changes are slight or if they'll change the bike at all?

    New - Long Haul Trucker | Bikes | Surly Bikes

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    minor things... the new one now has a KMC chain (better chains IMHO)

    they moved to 10spd on the new model, so 10spd shifters and cassette.

    new saddle (new one is more racy... IMHO it's a wash as the old one sucked anyway and needs replaced with a brooks anyway

    and they changed the tires on the smaller 26" bikes and for the 700c line


    I personally would stick to the old one as I prefer 9spd and being a last years model you should be able to get a bit cheaper
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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson View Post
    I personally would stick to the old one as I prefer 9spd and being a last years model you should be able to get a bit cheaper
    I would do the same, assuming you can get them for cheaper. I actually prefer 8/9 speed drivetrains on my geared bikes. In fact, I would prefer a 5-6 speed, but lots of MacGyvering and/or $$ to get it to work the way I want.

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    There is now need for a new thread call Monster Trucker. This thing is badass.
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    Discussions aside, anyone saw this build?:

    ???????????????? ????????????????????????????? ????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Discussions aside, anyone saw this build?:

    ???????????????? ????????????????????????????? ????????
    Piling on
    WOW
    Super cool build, love it

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    My Disc Trucker next to an even bigger vehicle.


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    Made my decision, my next bike will be a LHT.
    Now trying to decide between 700c and 26" (size 58)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Made my decision, my next bike will be a LHT.
    Now trying to decide between 700c and 26" (size 58)....
    I currently have a 700c disc trucker but am looking at adding a 26" of the same. For around the city I really like the idea of running a 26 inch 2.2 tire at lower psi.
    Enjoy which every you decide on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Discussions aside, anyone saw this build?:

    ???????????????? ????????????????????????????? ????????

    This thing looks amazing but in practical terms I'm not so sure. Lot's of chain stay and fork rub going to be happening. I find going bigger than 1.75"-1.90" on the LHT completely sucks the little bit of livelyness the frame has right out of it. The extra weight and rolling resistance of the large tires don't pay back in performance of equal measure. A 2.4" tire does not make the LHT in to a mountain bike, sorry.

    I think what would be really dandy would be a non-suspension corrected Troll with a level top tube. Screw the stand over clearance. I ride my LHT and Troll sometimes and think about building a combination of the two, the level top tube is the key. I want the look of the LHT and the geometry of the Troll in one bike.

    Sounds like a too big for me vintage mountain bike. I'm 5"8" so I can't ride a 20.5-21.5" mountain bike but I can ride a 52-54cm touring bike. See what I did there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Made my decision, my next bike will be a LHT.
    Now trying to decide between 700c and 26" (size 58)....
    Fantastic! From my perspective:

    Advantage 700c -
    Holds momentum better, favoring long steady rides
    Better "roadbike" substitute
    Can run new(ish) crop of fantastic 35-45mm "gravel"/"all road" tires - Clement X'plor USH and MSO, BG Rn'R, Surly Knard, Grand Bois Barlow Pass, various Schwable tires, etc
    Looks nicer - more proportional

    Advantage 26" -
    Spin up/accelerate better, favoring shorter, stop-and-go rides
    Better "mountain bike" substitute
    Ability to run proper mtb tires or FAT slicks
    Touring places where 700c wheels/tires are hard to find, like developing countries and parts of the US where the only bike shop is also called Walmart
    Less toe overlap
    Convertible to 650b (if that's your bag)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    This thing looks amazing but in practical terms I'm not so sure.
    That build could have 2.0 Mondials or 2.1 Smart Sams without any loss in awesomeness.

    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    Fantastic! From my perspective:

    My plan is to have two sets of tires:
    700C - 28c slicks and 700x47 Smart Sams or Mondials
    26" - 26x1.5 slicks and 2.0 Mondials or 2.1 Smart Sams

    Would the 700x47 be as good as the 26x2.0/2.1 off road?

    People talk about third world countries for 26" wheels availability, but I guess they would also come handy in the deep Spain Vila de la Plata route or in the middle of Hungary, which happen to be my next tours

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    Okay, I admit that the 'touring in third world countries' thing is sort of conventional wisdom, so I felt obliged to include it. However, I think plenty of people have toured successfully on 700c/29" tires in remote areas by carrying spares or being willing to stop and wait for a shipment or otherwise planning ahead. I've never been to Spain or Hungary, but I suspect 700c isn't hard to find there. In any case, all other things being equal, my preference is for 700c. I've ridden my 700c LHT offroad on 45mm tires and thought it did great. YMMV. Note that Schwable tires are usually narrower than marked, so the 47mm's probably won't be that big.
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    Would 700x50 Mondials or Conti TravelContacts fit the 700c LHT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    Okay, I admit that the 'touring in third world countries' thing is sort of conventional wisdom, so I felt obliged to include it. However, I think plenty of people have toured successfully on 700c/29" tires in remote areas by carrying spares or being willing to stop and wait for a shipment or otherwise planning ahead. I've never been to Spain or Hungary, but I suspect 700c isn't hard to find there. In any case, all other things being equal, my preference is for 700c. I've ridden my 700c LHT offroad on 45mm tires and thought it did great. YMMV. Note that Schwable tires are usually narrower than marked, so the 47mm's probably won't be that big.
    I agree with you there. If I were to start doing tours world wide, I would get a bike that fit the terrain, instead of worrying about the wheel size. This guy Joe Cruz tours on a fattie with no regrets. Try getting a Large Marge in a remote place...

    Touring on a Surly Pugsley (Progress Report) | Pedaling in Place

    Edit: This dude went around the world on 700c wheels and Rolhoff IGH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    I agree with you there. If I were to start doing tours world wide, I would get a bike that fit the terrain, instead of worrying about the wheel size. This guy Joe Cruz tours on a fattie with no regrets. Try getting a Large Marge in a remote place...

    Touring on a Surly Pugsley (Progress Report) | Pedaling in Place

    Edit: This dude went around the world on 700c wheels and Rolhoff IGH.

    THE MAN WHO CYCLED THE WORLD EP1 - YouTube
    Joe Cruz was pretty relaxed about going down south with a Pugsley because he knew the bike could take a regular 26" wheel in case of emergency (or even a 29" wheel).
    He even had a post in his blog about that before the trip

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Joe Cruz was pretty relaxed about going down south with a Pugsley because he knew the bike could take a regular 26" wheel in case of emergency (or even a 29" wheel).
    He even had a post in his blog about that before the trip
    I didn't know it was possible to set up a Pug with regular 26" wheels. Offset fork/frame won't take regular wheels and unless you find disc hubs, I didn't think rim brakes would reach skinny rims. Plus even if you were able to set it up with 26" wheels, you'd end up with a super low rider. I'm sure you could rig it up to get you rolling, but then, you could rig up any other bike at that point. Which was really the point of my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    I didn't know it was possible to set up a Pug with regular 26" wheels. Offset fork/frame won't take regular wheels and unless you find disc hubs, I didn't think rim brakes would reach skinny rims. Plus even if you were able to set it up with 26" wheels, you'd end up with a super low rider. I'm sure you could rig it up to get you rolling, but then, you could rig up any other bike at that point. Which was really the point of my post.
    Pugs has a BB drop of 55mm; 26" LHT BB drop is 47mm. Not too much difference, if the Pugs had to run on regular 26" rubber. The offsetting would be a bigger issue, I think. I suspect you could kludge something and make it work well enough to get back to civilization to order the right parts.
    Is it my fault the LHT discussion turned into a Pugs discussion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    Pugs has a BB drop of 55mm; 26" LHT BB drop is 47mm. Not too much difference, if the Pugs had to run on regular 26" rubber. The offsetting would be a bigger issue, I think. I suspect you could kludge something and make it work well enough to get back to civilization to order the right parts.
    Is it my fault the LHT discussion turned into a Pugs discussion?
    Yes, but the Pug measurements are with a 740mm tire while the 26" LHT is based on 690mm tire. You could make it work, but not any easier than a LHT, KM, or any other bike. And yes, your fault.

    Edit: Just to clarify what I was saying, with the difference of 50mm in tire diameter, that means an extra 25mm drop if you put 26" tires on a Pugs. That would equate to an 80mm BB drop.
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    Bb drop measurement has nothing to do with wheel size only where the hub spindle is... so that bb drop won't change if you've got 26er a 29er or even a 36er

    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Yes, but the Pug measurements are with a 740mm tire while the 26" LHT is based on 690mm tire. You could make it work, but not any easier than a LHT, KM, or any other bike. And yes, your fault.

    Edit: Just to clarify what I was saying, with the difference of 50mm in tire diameter, that means an extra 25mm drop if you put 26" tires on a Pugs. That would equate to an 80mm BB drop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson View Post
    Bb drop measurement has nothing to do with wheel size only where the hub spindle is... so that bb drop won't change if you've got 26er a 29er or even a 36er
    I realize that. Just talking about the "effective" BB drop. Just illustrating how severe the drop would be for the Pug if equipped with 26" wheels. BB height would be more appropriate here, but that info is not available on the Surly site.

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