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    Quote Originally Posted by my2hands View Post
    Yep, both of my other bikes are shiny...the black Cross Check...and the Green Kelly Ro Sham Bo, so I decided that I would go all black with the Karate Monkey with red Chris King headset and red leather bar wrap. I'll post pics tonight after work of the "fleet."

    For what it's worth, I am 6'1" and have the 16 inch frame. I love it...but I have drop bars and super long seatpost. It's as comfortable as my Cross Check.
    I believe the red color gives the impression of the brave, so the combination of battleship grey, all black and red makes your karate monkey look dashing brave

    I was wondering with your height 6'1" you are using a size 16?

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    My Karate Monkey

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    ^Nice. I've got Alfine envy..

    Did you just happen upon the 16" or chose it over an 18"? I'm 6'1 as well, and I ride a 20" with flat bars, but I feel like if I was to run drops I'd get the 18.

    How do you like the Halo's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstews View Post
    ^Nice. I've got Alfine envy..

    Did you just happen upon the 16" or chose it over an 18"? I'm 6'1 as well, and I ride a 20" with flat bars, but I feel like if I was to run drops I'd get the 18.

    How do you like the Halo's?
    Thanks. I had the old blue Karate Monkey in 18 inches and didn't like how it felt with drop bars. I never had a flat bar on it, but my Kelly 29er is 18 inches with a riser bar, and it fits perfectly. But, I have a longer Thomson stem on it and a Thomson seatpost with some major setback.

    I have mixed reviews on the Halos as I have the 700x38's on my Cross Check. They are amazing on pavement and hardpack trails - but so are Schwalbe Big Apples which I highly recommend. However, I had to buy another tire after I had a blow out on the sidewall of the tire when I hit a root. I should of went with a Schwalbe tire, but I bought another Halo Twin Rail instead. Also, I wiped out a couple months ago on a bike path here in Northern Virginia with my Cross Check after I hit a patch of wet leaves. Not really the tires fault, I was flying and should of known right after a good rain to take it easy on the path.

    Oh, the Alfine. It's awesome...but really heavy laced to the Velocity Chukkers. I've never had a bike that rides like this Karate Monkey...including my Kelly which has True Temper OX Platinum tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dominikusbw View Post
    I believe the red color gives the impression of the brave, so the combination of battleship grey, all black and red makes your karate monkey look dashing brave

    I was wondering with your height 6'1" you are using a size 16?
    Thanks! I am riding a 16...the ride is really stiff with the compact geometry - my reasoning behind a 16 inch frame. The large tires absorb an amazing amount of vibration and bumps. I deflate them on the trails, per the Halo instructions on the side of tire, so that the inverted knobs dig in. Sheldon Brown talks about how with modern components - stems and seatpost are so strong now that you can afford to run them very long - you can ride smaller frames for the benefits of the compact geometry.

    I am sold.
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    thanks for the reply

    after seeing the last 3 builds posted here, including the one with drop bars, all size 16, i think i'm going to stick with the same size when the time comes for me to buy the new version KM frame

    (edit: if, i don't get a hold of the new krampus29+ first, haha)
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    Quote Originally Posted by my2hands View Post
    So awesome!

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    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by CycleAddict View Post
    So awesome!
    I will say that the Alfine hub is a little heavy, but this bike is amazingly easy to get air borne. I was hitting every root I could find on the Cross Country trail here in Northern VA yesterday. I've had drop bar mountain bikes before, but I think what makes this bike so comfortable and easy to control is the Salsa Cowbell drop bars.

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    My KM in touring mode: Axiom rear rack and Salsa Bell Lap bars, Anything Cages, and Fargo fork. Perfect for hauling a tent, sleeping bag, pad, clothes and food!



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    Just put an On-One carbon fork on my KM. Not a whole lot lighter than the stock fork (< half pound), but definitely smooths the ride out a bit. Love, love the 2.4 Ardents as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Where about in CO is that, not familiar with those trail names. I rode mainly around Ft. Collins and Loveland when I visited and a bit out in Gunnison, so rode the 401, Monarch Crest, Hartmans Rocks and a lot of the trails around FC and LL. Can't imagine not having gears for any of those places I rode Maybe it's that I dislaike having to chose just one gear that is maybe only appropriate for 25-50% of a ride and have to either spin like a hamster on crack or mash/walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    Congrats on your move to the mountains!!!

    I see an AM 29"er in your very near future.
    Canfield Yelli Screamy has been catching my eye lately, but so has a TT bike and I just finished my first CX race yesterday and a carbon Stevens frame would be cool). I need more time to ride and less work, but the less work means less bike $$. I want to do the Kokopelli trail so a geared bike is in my future, yet the roads here are epic and my road bike is awesome. I'm in biking heaven right now and generally have fits of indecisiveness when I hit the garage to go ride. Road, yes please. Gravel on my CX bikes, I'll take some of that too. Mountain, of course.
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    Updated my Monkey the other day. I posted before and this is my hacked up KM. I cut off all of the derailleur bits as well as the v-brake posts and rack and fender braze-ons. I then got it custom coated this blue, only to find out that the 2013 KM color is pretty close to this blue. Kinda funny! Now I can just tell people that I have been riding a prototype 2013 for a couple years! I bought a White Brothers Rock Solid from a customer at work and dropped .60 lbs off of the stock fork weight. Now sitting at 25 lbs complete. Pretty happy!

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    KM frame with said adjustments
    White Bros Rock Solid fork
    Syncros FR headset
    3T Pro stem, post and bar
    Hope Tech X2 brakes
    Charge Spoon seat
    Bontrager Race cranks, which will be swapped out next, 32t sprocket
    ODI Ruffian grips
    Profile Racing hubs, 17t cog
    DT Swiss spokes
    Velocity P35 rims
    Continental Race King tires
    Fly Ruben pedals, which will also be swapped soon

    Sorry for the bad pic, I did what I could!
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesauvageau View Post
    Updated my Monkey the other day. I posted before and this is my hacked up KM. I cut off all of the derailleur bits as well as the v-brake posts and rack and fender braze-ons. I then got it custom coated this blue, only to find out that the 2013 KM color is pretty close to this blue. Kinda funny! Now I can just tell people that I have been riding a prototype 2013 for a couple years! I bought a White Brothers Rock Solid from a customer at work and dropped .60 lbs off of the stock fork weight. Now sitting at 25 lbs complete. Pretty happy!

    Sorry for the bad pic, I did what I could!
    Here are a few decent pics of the wheels, these are before I picked up the fork.
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    I'm seriously considering getting myself a 2012 black KM and am wondering if anyone knows if there is going to be any major frame changes between the 2012 & 2013 versions?

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    Go ahead get one now and enjoy the ride
    2012 or 2013 it doesn't matter,
    Monkey ride never change,
    OK maybe a different color in 2013
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    2x9, 47mm KH rims. GEAX GATO 29" tyres


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    Bruce,
    Apart from all those unessasary gears, it's very nice.........

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    I thought i would be more niche and go 2x9
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    Ordered my KM frame last week, so should be here within a coupe of days or so.

    Planned build is (taking the parts off my Scandal):

    Thomson seatpost
    Fizik Gobi seat
    Thomson stem
    Ragley Carnegie bars
    ESI grips
    Clarkes brakes 160mm calipers
    Hope Pro2 hubs laced with DT Swiss spokes to Velocity Blunt rims
    Phil Wood sq taper BB
    Middleburn Crank (RS7) 32 tooth (I might try my 34 made by HBC)
    Endless cog - 17 or 18

    Will post a photo or two once built.

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    OK, bit of advice/help needed with my KM. I love it, so versatile, but in all the configurations and re-iterations of it, the one thing I don't seem to have ever managed to do was get the rear shifting setup perfectly. I run Shimano, but have also tried SRAM, done Rapid Rise and normal, but I've never got it setup like it should be, like I've managed with all of m y other bikes - If it shifts up fine, then it's slow going down, if it shifts down fine, then slow going up. I've checked the derailleur hanger when I got the tool earlier this year and it did need straightening, but that only helped a little bit.

    Wondering about cable run/setup, how do you guys/gals who run them geared run them? I've tried running the cable guide under the BB both ways, I've even tried running full length housing to no avail Anyone have any ideas I'm listening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    OK, bit of advice/help needed with my KM. I love it, so versatile, but in all the configurations and re-iterations of it, the one thing I don't seem to have ever managed to do was get the rear shifting setup perfectly. I run Shimano, but have also tried SRAM, done Rapid Rise and normal, but I've never got it setup like it should be, like I've managed with all of m y other bikes - If it shifts up fine, then it's slow going down, if it shifts down fine, then slow going up. I've checked the derailleur hanger when I got the tool earlier this year and it did need straightening, but that only helped a little bit.

    Wondering about cable run/setup, how do you guys/gals who run them geared run them? I've tried running the cable guide under the BB both ways, I've even tried running full length housing to no avail Anyone have any ideas I'm listening.
    Where do you position your rear wheel? Do you use Monkey Nuts or all the way forward in the dropout?
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    Tried both, no Monkey Nuts was a bit better (as far as I remember), but I honestly DO NOT like how twitchy it feels like that and normally run it with the 10mm nuts. Actually looking for a way to run it even further back in the dropouts to maybe add a bit more cush to the ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by davesauvageau View Post
    Where do you position your rear wheel? Do you use Monkey Nuts or all the way forward in the dropout?
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    Just bought a Vassago Odis fork on a whim from ye olde liste du craig's. Getting it installed this week, photos to follow. I also got a G2 offset Recon for free from a fellow rider. Going to be messing around with different forks during the off season. Also ordered a 36t chainring and 14t cog for the dingle setup. Best bike in existence as far as I am concerned.

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    Have any of you that own a karate monkey used it mostly for road and with longer rides?

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    Depends on what you call longer I've regularly done 40, 50, 60 mile rides and a few over 70 on my rigid KM, works fantastic and yes I use it a lot on the road, is my commuter and used to be my "roadie".
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    Have any of you that own a karate monkey used it mostly for road and with longer rides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by commutenow View Post
    Have any of you that own a karate monkey used it mostly for road and with longer rides?
    Yes, i do! mostly on road, cw and gravel. I usually stay on the pedals in the range from 50 to 100 km every time and the KM is fantastic. I use a couple of Schwalbe Big Apple 2.3" inflated at 2.5 atm... and a confortable saddle

    SS at the moment but I'm consider to go for 1X9...

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    Madbike do you have pictures? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by commutenow View Post
    Madbike do you have pictures? Thanks
    hi commutenow, don't know if I have enough post here to put a link...

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/1...18795119514721

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    Thanks nice pictures!

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    Loving the KM builds and pics everyone.

    Question??
    I stand 5'5 would a small KM be to large? The more I look at this new KM the more I like it.
    Like the KM more than the troll just don't think I'll fit. Any help or suggestions would rock thanks!

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    Just back from a weeks riding in France, fire roads and farm tracks, fixed, 61" gear perfect. Apart from they're building the new TGV line across my trail to the nearest Patisserie,7 miles from where I stay, it was spot on. I'm 5' 7" 30" inside leg and small is fine. Try one, I'm sure someone can lend you one.....

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    My work in progress

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    The Smurf Monkey...So long HiFi I will miss you



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    YUM. Loving the new blue!

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    Here's mine.. muddy post-ride


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    Finished, well almost. Just waiting for the brown Spoon to arrive. I was so pleased with the fixed KM, I decided if I ever saw an old brown frame second I'd build a SS. And here it is......................

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    Collected my 2012 frame from the Post Office and after taking off the protective wrapping, I noticed that the headtube where the top cup fits in had been dropped prior to packing !!

    Took a bit of careful persuasion but managed to get the top part of the headtube round again before putting in the headset.

    Complete Build is as follows:

    Frame - 2012 KM medium - black
    Headset - Chris King
    Hubs - Hope Pro 2
    Rims - Velocity Blunts
    Spokes - DT Swiss DB
    Skewers - Hope
    Tyres - Front- Conti Mountain King 2.4; Rear - Conti X-King 2.2
    Stem - Thomson X4
    Bars - Ragley Carnegie
    Grips - ESI
    Brakes - Clarkes Skeletal (will be replacing with Shimano SLX)
    Seatpost - Thomson Elite
    Saddle - Fizik Gobi
    Pedals - Eggbeaters
    BB - Shimano XTR
    Crank - Shimano XTR M960
    Chainring - Blackspire 34
    Cog - FireEye 18
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    Here is mine.

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    Just built this up. My ogre needed a sibling. Quick shakedown through the forest today.


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    Nice build and nice pictures.

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    Thought I'd throw up a pick I took of my Monkey on Friday while out doing some trail work, what a versatile bike it is
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    Great picture!

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    Got my 2013 Monkey last Friday. Completely stock at the moment.


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    another blue...very cool
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    Friday Night Fun

    Made some changes


    New Grips
    New Bars
    New Stem

    Completely Different Ride. Not Good or Bad. Just Different. More Aggressive.
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    I like the new colors
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    Hi mate, like the rebuild, not so much the photo Hope you don't mind.
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    Befoot, It looks like you have an 18. Is your Reba set to 80mm? If it is stiil at 100mm, how is the ride? Do the extra 20mm make that much of a difference? I really like the blue, it looks great. I am thinking about trying the rigid and using a thudbuster for me arse. If it doesn't work out for the front, then I'll go with the front susser. I was also wondering what ur heigth was and if the 18 was a good fit. Thanks amigo for your response.
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    dim, My Reba is set at 80mm....have you road a 29er? you may find you won't need the thudbuster, the back wheel rolls over stuff a 26" pings off of...make for a smother ride....
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    Foot, i currently have a hardtail 29er that is aluminum with a susser fork. I live in Georgia and ride a lot of roots and rocks. The stiff ride is getting rougher as I get older. I wanted to ride steel because of its compliant qualities. I guess I could ride it rigid without the thud and see how it feels. It may be good enough without it.
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    Quadingle Monkey

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    Super cool! What are the four gear combinations?

    Is it safe to assume that you'll put a 26" fat front on there at some point?

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    The chainrings were 32/36, 22/18 and 20/16. Sold the KM shortly after putting 650b wheels on the Troll, the fork may end up on it. May go pudgy, not sure about fat.

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    Back in Jun '07,I ordered a KM frameset, but then decided to go custom and sent it back. The custom frame wasn't all I'd hoped for, and once you sell a custom frame, all bets are off. Now, 37 bikes later, I'm back at a Karate Monkey:



    I like it quite a bit. The handling is fun, the shorter chainstays and shorter front center (compared to my Soma Juice) give it better handling through the corners. However, I do miss the more supple ride and flexibility of the Juice frame. I was hoping this Monkey frame would bring me full circle so I could end the buying spree, but not... quite... yet....

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    Work in progress.

    It's not completely finished, but i just couldn't resist taking it out for a short ride.

    2012 KM
    CK headset.
    Hope Pro2 evo hubs, sapim spokes and P35 rims with big Apple's.
    Hope Ti-6 rear and Hope M-4 front(not yet installed) brakes. (will be replaced for black/green Hope M-4 tech's)
    E*13 triple crank & BB.
    DMR V-8 acid green pedals.
    Sram cash-green cassette.
    XTR derr and shifter.
    KMC chain.
    Thomson seatpost.
    Lepper saddle.
    Da-Bomb stem.
    Spank B*tchstick bars.

    I still have to get :
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    King hubs & Stan's added the Enve bars as well. Next will be a carbon seat post, and better brakes.

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    Just a quick question for the people that are running a 3x9 drivetrain.
    Somewhere next week i'm going to order some parts and i was wondering what derraileur i should pick.
    I'm going for a XTR, but what type ?
    Top pull is all i know for sure.
    But should i get a high or a low clamp version ?

    Thank's in advance.

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    haloblue -- What are you planning to switch your brakes to? If you wouldn't mind a suggestion, you might consider instead just upgrading cable and levers. Avid Ultimate levers and XTR cables made my BB7s feel better than any brake I've ever touched. Just a thought...

    FWIW, I have since replaced the Ultimate levers, as I needed some cash and had a set of SD7 levers around. Honestly they feel nearly as good as the Ultimates with quality cable, at about 1/10th of the price. Much much better than the FR5s though.

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    Hi KarateBoys, i need to know exactly dimensịn seat tube KM16/2012-2013, 406, 440mm?? Thank you very much.
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    The 16" KM is 406mm. The Surly site shows this clearly on the geometry picture:

    Karate Monkey | Bikes | Surly Bikes

    Note that this measures to the top of the seat tube brace--there's a bit of extra seat tube material poking above this.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueViajero View Post
    Hi KarateBoys, i need to know exactly dimensịn seat tube KM16/2012-2013, 406, 440mm?? Thank you very much.

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    I just skimmed the 550+ posts on this thread and looked closely at all of the pictures. I came to the obvious conclusion: Surly, your head tube length is way too short on all versions, and all sizes of the Karate Monkey.


    Either that, or we have all become addicted to the Mary Poppins riding position.

    Outside of maybe one or two Monkey's I saw in this thread - the spacers and stems with rise are loaded up to the gills to get the bars up high enough when building a Monkey.

    I was fiddling and puttering with mine today taking it from a V-Brake SS rigid bike to a disc brake SS rigid bike. Of course, mine is old school vintage 2002-3 and the new versions have a taller head tube length in size XL (like 20mm longer). to Surly for doing that.

    I could see that with a 100mm fork and the new head tube length on the size XL, I could get away with 0 spacers. But running the rigid fork and flat bars would still require a bit of something to get it up. I've got some new Origin 8 bars and have a 120mm 0 degree Thomson X4 coming. I'm going to try and slam the stem to see how it handles, even though my position will be a bit more aggressive on the bike than my other bikes. I've got room on the steerer tube for 25 to 28mm of spacers if need be. And I've got a REBA sitting around I could adjust to 100mm to give the front end a boost.

    Okay - rant is over....and the need for 20 - 20+ mm of spacers or other plumbing endeavors will continue until Surly does more updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    ...would still require quite a bit of something to get it up...
    I've never had this issue with my bikes I do see what you're saying, though. You'd think for touring bikes like their Troll and Ogre, they'd give them a bit longer headtubes. Other than the dropouts and cable guides, the Troll/1x1 and KM/Ogre are the same (amiright?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    I've never had this issue with my bikes I do see what you're saying, though. You'd think for touring bikes like their Troll and Ogre, they'd give them a bit longer headtubes. Other than the dropouts and cable guides, the Troll/1x1 and KM/Ogre are the same (amiright?).
    That I don't know.

    I just know my HT length is 105mm on the size XL Monkey and the new ones are 125mm. Compared to a size XL Niner where the HT length is 145mm, the Surly bikes seem so "beehind" the times with the HT length.

    Salsa is 140mm for their XL's
    Niner is 145mm for their XL's

    Not only the XL size, but other sizes as well. Not that there is anything wrong with spacers and high rise stems (and riser bars), but I do like the look of not having to do any of that on my other bikes...

    I could, with a 100mm suspension fork, get away with a 10mm spacer and the Thomson 0 degree X4 stem. However, with the rigid fork and short HT on the Monkey I imagine I will be jacking up the amount of spacers to the tune of 20-25mm. Which pretty much mirrors what I am seeing in all of the pictures in this mega-thread.

    My previous build of the Monkey using 130mm 17 degree Thomson stem and 25mm of stems which still has the bars a bit below the saddle. That's some serious plumbing....

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/5350685645/" title="Ardents on KM by BBcamerata, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5129/5350685645_14d07cd1c4.jpg" width="500" height="338" alt="Ardents on KM"></a>

    My newest build (disc brake) will feature different bars and stem with a bit more aggressive position on the bike. Yet will require quite a few spacers to get me where I need to be.

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    You know, if you average it out, the head tube on the KM is therefore growing about 2mm/year. That means the head tube will eventually reach an appropriate length... in about 15 more years.

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    I just skimmed the 550+ posts on this thread and looked closely at all of the pictures. I came to the obvious conclusion: Surly, your head tube length is way too short on all versions, and all sizes of the Karate Monkey.

    Outside of maybe one or two Monkey's I saw in this thread - the spacers and stems with rise are loaded up to the gills to get the bars up high enough when building a Monkey.

    I was fiddling and puttering with mine today taking it from a V-Brake SS rigid bike to a disc brake SS rigid bike. Of course, mine is old school vintage 2002-3 and the new versions have a taller head tube length in size XL (like 20mm longer).

    I could see that with a 100mm fork and the new head tube length on the size XL, I could get away with 0 spacers. But running the rigid fork and flat bars would still require quite a bit of something to get it up. I've got some new Origin 8 bars and have a 120mm 0 degree Thomson X4 coming.

    Okay - rant is over....and the need for 20 - 20+ mm of spacers will continue until Surly does updates.

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    The 16" KM is 406mm. The Surly site shows this clearly on the geometry picture:Karate Monkey | Bikes | Surly Bikes Note that this measures to the top of the seat tube brace--there's a bit of extra seat tube material poking above this.
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    I need to know the dimensịn of extra seat tube material, 3-4cms??
    Necesito conocer la medida extra de esa parte del tubo para saber la talla final que parece ser una 43 ̣ 44, mi altura es de 1.73m./5.67ft, me gusta la 16 pero me da miedo a que se me quede corta de tubo sillin.
    Me cuesta mucho dirigirme a Vds en ingles, le pido disculpas.
    Un saludo, best regards.

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    anyone know if a 3 speed nexus bell crank will clear the dropout? I've searched and searched but have not been able to find this out. I've ordered the hub already and want to build a 29er but need to know before I buy the frameset.

    I also noticed a ton of these bikes with loads of headset spacers under the stem and a flat bar. Why not lower the stem down and run a riser bar? just curious
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    Thanks for the suggestions!

    Have not put much thought into it yet, but but ill take a look.

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Rated View Post
    My new KM.
    Gotta say, you've turned the Surly KM world upside down with that build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Rated View Post
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    10th Anniversary Build: From V-Brakes to a Disc Brake KM...

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    My previous build of the Monkey using 130mm 17 degree Thomson stem and 25mm of stems which still has the bars a bit below the saddle. That's some serious plumbing....

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/5350685645/" title="Ardents on KM by BBcamerata, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5129/5350685645_14d07cd1c4.jpg" width="500" height="338" alt="Ardents on KM"></a>

    My newest build (disc brake) will feature different bars and stem with a bit more aggressive position on the bike. Yet will require quite a few spacers to get me where I need to be.
    Okay, enough moaning and groaning about the Head Tube Length from me. My Monkey turns 10 years old in a few months, so it was time to celebrate.

    I slammed my new stem (Thomson 120mm 0 degree) all the way down to the headset and rode it on last night's dog walk and this morning. I moved a 5mm spacer under the stem after the dog walk to account for a possible purchase of either the King taller crown race plate or a Plus 5mm bottom headset cup to see what that would be like. I'll ride it around like that today on my commute to and from work to see if I could live with that. I didn't mind the lower, slammed all the way to the headset set up with this stem as it's a nice aggressive position that I like on XC race bikes. But the 5mm experiment may answer all questions before I cut any steerer tube.

    Here's the latest Karate Monkey XL version for me (and I've had this thing built in all shapes and sizes since buying it in the summer of 2003 - believe me).

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/8232853112/" title="KMDisc by BBcamerata, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8058/8232853112_c054f27804_c.jpg" width="800" height="544" alt="KMDisc"></a>

    And the udder side....

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/8232853270/" title="KM5mmSpacer by BBcamerata, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8232853270_4da2ac8fef_c.jpg" width="800" height="501" alt="KM5mmSpacer"></a>
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    Disc brakes! Oh, the horror!

    It's just a little sad to see one of the few rim brake frames still on the market succumb to discs... though even I often run a mullet on either my Juice or KM.

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Disc brakes! Oh, the horror!

    It's just a little sad to see one of the few rim brake frames still on the market succumb to discs... though even I often run a mullet on either my Juice or KM.
    Oh, it's been disc before - many times. It started out that way - and full gears. It's had racks. It's had road tires. I hesitate to cut the steerer tube because I don't want to lose the option of running drop bars some day down the road.

    But, it's fall/winter singlespeeding season for me and the American Classic rim brake wheels are not tubeless friendly (even though I did convert them), whereas the Flows are beefier and more sturdy lateral wise for SS out of saddle grunt climbing compared to the much more flexy American Classic wheels.

    I'm sure the bike will have future iterations involving rim brakes.

    In the meantime, I think I may need to try a 130mm 0 degree stem as this 120mm feels a bit short.

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    Don't cut the steerer Bruce, you WILL regret it. I had thoughts like you a couple years ago and succumbed to them and wish I hadn't.
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    Gotta agree. As a tall guy, my rule of thumb is never cut the steerer tube! Even though I have a nice mitre box with a chop saw blade. I've always regretted it, every time I've done it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Don't cut the steerer Bruce, you WILL regret it. I had thoughts like you a couple years ago and succumbed to them and wish I hadn't.
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    I'm guessing my back and core were a lot better back then and I didn't really ride the KM on trails, but now that I do and want the bars higher, I can't unless I run a stem with more than a 6* rise or serious riser bar and I don't like either. It's about just near perfect all the way up as it can go, but 5-10mm more might be even nicer for casual trail riding and steep descents.

    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Gotta agree. As a tall guy, my rule of thumb is never cut the steerer tube! Even though I have a nice mitre box with a chop saw blade. I've always regretted, every time I've done it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I'm guessing my back and core were a lot better back then and I didn't really ride the KM on trails, but now that I do and want the bars higher, I can't unless I run a stem with more than a 6* rise or serious riser bar and I don't like either. It's about just near perfect all the way up as it can go, but 5-10mm more might be even nicer for casual trail riding and steep descents.
    This latest build is my 10th Anniversary Build of owning this thing. And I've left the steerer tube a bit long for 10 years without ever trying drop bars, but you never know - right?

    If I do try drop bars, it would be an attempt to convert it to a Cyclocross bike (did my first race of that discipline this fall), and or to build it into a monster cross or gravel grinder.

    Saturday Update: I think the best way to avoid cutting my steerer tube too short on the KM rigid fork and regretting it is to just leave it as is. You guys are right on that. I know I will tinker with this sucker many times again in the future and the chance of me finding an old KM Campstove Green fork to fit an XL bike is slim to none if I cut this one too short.

    Solution? I threw the old REBA Race set at 100mm on this afternoon with one 5mm spacer under the stem to account for what it will feel like with the lower headset cup plus 5mm+ or King 5mm crown race I will need to get the poplock adjuster knob to fit under the downtube. This is the ticket as I much prefer the slackened out HT angle and the cush up front. The old REBA I can cut without any qualms and it all feels great.

    I'll save the rigid fork for possible other options and not cut it.

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    Nice KM!
    Whats that saddle?

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    Thanks, it's an ISM Adamo Peak, strangest looking saddle but extremely comfy!

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    I also like the angles on my Monkey when I throw the 120mm Minute on it, but little skeptical of going to that long a fork, think doing a 100mm would be the ticket and still slack enough for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    ................Saturday Update: I think the best way to avoid cutting my steerer tube too short on the KM rigid fork and regretting it is to just leave it as is. You guys are right on that......................

    Solution? I threw the old REBA Race set at 100mm on this afternoon with one 5mm spacer under the stem to account for what it will feel like with the lower headset cup plus 5mm+ or King 5mm crown race I will need to get the poplock adjuster knob to fit under the downtube. This is the ticket as I much prefer the slackened out HT angle and the cush up front. The old REBA I can cut without any qualms and it all feels great.

    I'll save the rigid fork for possible other options and not cut it.

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    NIce Monkey, wit ha chopped saddle
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    Solution? I threw the old REBA Race set at 100mm on this afternoon. This is the ticket as I much prefer the slackened out HT angle and the cush up front. The old REBA I can cut without any qualms and it all feels great.



    And in reverse...




    Feels pretty good.

    It certainly gives me an idea of what the newer XL frame with the 20mm longer head tube and the 100mm REBA would feel like - as I could easily run that combo on the new frame with 0 spacers, and probably 10-20mm of spacers if/when using the rigid fork. Pictured above is the 100mm REBA and I used 20mm of spacers below the stem to raise it up.

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    Looks great. I've been meaning to move my reba up to 100mm for a while.

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    Figured I would throw mine in here.
    It is a 16"
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    and Kenda Slant Six tires

    Gotta love the Monkey

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    Switched out from my 1st generation Campstove Green KM to a new Stretchpants Black one today. Put a 2.4 Ralph in the rear as well, cleaned up my components and swapped out to Crank Brothers BB I had in the parts bin.




    Flipped...


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    uhhhhhhh.......

    just picked up a complete km SS off ebay to go w/my geared km and geared ogre. does anyone know if the the surly rear hub is english or metric threaded? side by side km pics coming up in a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson View Post
    just picked up a complete km SS off ebay to go w/my geared km and geared ogre. does anyone know if the the surly rear hub is english or metric threaded? side by side km pics coming up in a few weeks.
    Straight off the Surly site: "Our hubs have ISO standard threads: 1.375"x 24 TPI (34.92mm x 1.058mm)"

    *edit* link didn't work, you've got the info right there anyway ^

    Just about any modern hub is going to have that threading because it is the ISO standard now. You'll run into different threadings on older bikes and some foreign stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    Switched out from my 1st generation Campstove Green KM to a new Stretchpants Black one today. Put a 2.4 Ralph in the rear as well, cleaned up my components and swapped out to Crank Brothers BB I had in the parts bin.


    Any noticable difference you've er....noticed....between the new and old frames?

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    I have 1 of each, both set up similar but early one fixed and the new one ss. I find the new one much more lively, happy to leave the ground at any opportunity whereas the old brown one is more stable.
    I even queried it with Surlyand Eric replied; "There have been some slight tubing changes throughout the years on the Karate Monkey, but it’s really not something you can feel per se. We did lighten up the fork a touch, so maybe that’s what you’re feeling. Not sure entirely. I’d just go with it and claim a superior sense of geometric minutia sensitivity".
    I'd be interested if it's just me or if anyone else thinks there is a difference...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1035 View Post
    Any noticable difference you've er....noticed....between the new and old frames?
    Rides exactly the same - at least in terms of feel and handling.

    Noted differences include:

    •Longer head tube on the newest frame (positive for me).

    •Disc brake only which rules out certain configurations I used on the older frame (I knew that going into it, so I won't label it a negative or a positive).

    •About 4mm wider in the chainstay area which allows use of a Ralph 2.4, Ardent 2.4, Nic 2.35, etc.... back there without experiencing rub (positive).

    •Cable routing is under the top tube (I'm going to call that a negative as the entire weight of the cable is on the zip ties which is not a problem for hydraulic disc brakes, but is not the best support system for cable pull mechanical disc brakes - I broke the front zip tie on test ride number one).

    •Seatpost collar is not as sturdy and strong as the older model (negative).

    •Rear disc brake mounts are in a better location to allow for rear wheel removal without having to loosen the caliper mounting bolts (positive).

    *Lugs at the TT/HT juncture on the new frame (negative in terms of looks for me, positive for those who dig lugs).

    •On the old frame, my grips would contact the TT if turning the wheel which is nothing to worry about in terms of frame scratching. On the new frame with the bars at the same exact height, the brake levers hit the TT which could case a scratch or two. No biggie, but it illustrates that the TT is lower than on the older frame - at least in size XL.

    All of that being said, I have not yet tried the rigid fork that came with the new frame. I will be interested to do that to compare as I have 9 years of riding the old frame as a rigid under my belt, and only a couple of weeks with a suspension fork.

    Net-net, I'd say the positives were worth the upgrade for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post

    •Seatpost collar is not as sturdy and strong as the older model (negative).


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    Can you tell me a bit more about this ?

    Tnx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    Can you tell me a bit more about this ?

    Tnx.
    Sure. The old seat post collar is pretty heavy duty with a larger bolt and hence, the need for a larger hex key than the newer, shiny silver metal one that takes a more normal size bolt and hex key. I'm always afraid to crank down too hard on the smaller hex key bolts than I am on the massive ones for fear of breaking the bolt (which I have done before on several occasions on various bikes and seat post collars). The older one is massive, sturdy and is a no-fuss collar. I kind of liked that. The newer one is a nice bling bit, but require a bit more finesse and fuss IMO.

    I could always swap out my collars, but it's not that big of a negative. I just have to be careful not to be too ham-fisted. In terms of industry standard - the newer KM collar is probably more in line with a typical collar than their older one which was - as I said - heavy duty.

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    Tnx for the info.
    I don't know how the older ones look like or are different from the newer ones.
    And in the past i have snapped a few bolts as well, including the one on a seatcollar.

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    I just spent some good quality time digging through this whole thread in search of some AM-leaning KMs. I'm a little suprised there were only 1 or 2 that came close, and a ton that look more like CX bikes.
    I'm currently running a 100mm tora that I had leftover from my Paragon while I wait for the 120mm tower pro to get here.

    Has anyone else run a 120mm fork?
    I love this bike, and every time I ride it I'm more impressed. My main bike is a 7" reign so when I hop on the KM I tend to get shaken to pieces on the downhill sections. (luckily the bike is always as solid and unfazed as the day I got it). I honestly can't wait to get some more squish up front. I realize the frame was only intended for a 100mm fork, but Surlys = unbreakable tanks and I'm not worried. I'm also looking forward to a little higher BB, but not the slacker ST angle.

    I'll be able to post pictures soon (@ work now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabies010 View Post
    Tnx for the info.
    I don't know how the older ones look like or are different from the newer ones.
    And in the past i have snapped a few bolts as well, including the one on a seatcollar.
    Glad to hear I'm not the only ham-fisted guy out there.

    In terms of what they look like and how they are different, that's easy.

    Here's the old one (called the Surly Constrictor Seatpost Clamp)...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/8274287127/" title="surly-constrictor-med by BBcamerata, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8274287127_468a8526a9.jpg" width="350" height="350" alt="surly-constrictor-med"></a>

    And here's the new one (called the Stainless Steel Seatpost Clamp)...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7166535@N05/8274287159/" title="ST0010 by BBcamerata, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8216/8274287159_0076eaa9aa.jpg" width="480" height="360" alt="ST0010"></a>

    And of course there are many, many other brands of seat post collars that will fit and work well on the Karate Monkey frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    I could always swap out my collars...
    Yes is the answer. That bike needs a black collar anyway.

    FWIW, I just broke the bolt to my Surly collar the other night. Your caution is justified.

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