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    that is a sweet monkey!

    yup,a pair of those et's are on the list for next weeks order i think...

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    Let's see your KM builds-surly1.jpgLet's see your KM builds-surly2.jpg

    Finally got the touring/gravel grinder/ kid puller/ commuter together and put a couple of rides on it. Complete with labradoodle. Loving the new microshift thumbies. Definitely need to make some changes to the cockpit, current set up makes my elbows hurt and palms go numb. The Soma Odin bar has a great feel, I think I'll try a shorter stem and hamsterspam's inner bar end idea.

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    2017 km ss

    Just picked it up last Tuesday. Excited for the trails to get less sloppy so I can shake her down a bit. Swapped out the following from stock:

    ENVE XC bars
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    Wolftooth 20t cog and purple anodized bits
    Ergon grips

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    Most of the trails too muddy/gumboey to ride.

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    Hi, I see quite a few KMs here running 27.5+ wheels/ tyres.

    Can owners possibly advise of any bb height or tyre clearance issues or any other negatives with a B+ setup? Any help appreciated.

    (talking about the 'old' monkey not the 2017 model).

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    I've been playing with B+ tires on my '12 Monkey. With the 2.8" TB on a Blunt 35 rim (on the rear) and a 3.5" FBN (actually, more like 2.6") on the front, my bottom bracket sits at just 290mm (11.4"). That's too low for my tastes. I'm going to transfer this B+ wheelset to my SIR9, where I can raise the bottom bracket up via the EBB to around 305mm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Kirkwood View Post
    Hi, I see quite a few KMs here running 27.5+ wheels/ tyres.

    Can owners possibly advise of any bb height or tyre clearance issues or any other negatives with a B+ setup? Any help appreciated.

    (talking about the 'old' monkey not the 2017 model).

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    Thanks for your reply seat_boy, I thought that may be the case. I wonder if a 120mm sagged fork might help raise the BB, or if you can fit in larger diameter tyres?

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    I measured my bike with a stock length rigid fork (467mm), so a 120mm fork would definitely lift up the bottom bracket some (though at the expense of losing the sharp handling by slacking out the front end). I don't think you could fit a significantly taller tire in the rear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Kirkwood View Post
    Thanks for your reply seat_boy, I thought that may be the case. I wonder if a 120mm sagged fork might help raise the BB, or if you can fit in larger diameter tyres?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Kirkwood View Post
    Thanks for your reply seat_boy, I thought that may be the case. I wonder if a 120mm sagged fork might help raise the BB, or if you can fit in larger diameter tyres?
    You're going to need a boost fork to accommodate a b+ or bigger tire. Or something modern.
    I put a rigid soma fork on my b+ monkey, which is 100mm suspension corrected, vs the stock 80. It helped a smidge.
    You still have to be conscious of where your pedals are at.

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    I took and b9+'d my monkey today for shits and giggles. The ranger on a blunt is 72mm, exactly the same as the ikon on a xm551.
    I tried it on my rear 29" hoop first, it does fit, but I know it'll rub, with only about 3-4mm clearance.
    I may grab another one and dremel the side knobs, depending how I like it.

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    the wtb trail boss makes a good rear tire with the ranger up front on a blunt 35,theres not a huge size difference height wise and no rubbing issues with a 2.4...

    i should note,a good tire combo here in the desert where its mainly loose over hardpack...in the nice parts...

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    I took some tb's off these 29" wheels to mess around with this. I may take them out for a scoot to see, just the same.

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    i should be more specific and say i ride in desert conditions so a smaller,more closely set knob seems to work best for me...a lot of folks like the ardents too...

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    I am looking to add suspension to my mint (color) Karate Monkey (2016 model, not Ops).

    Surly's site says the frame is 1-1/8 straight steerer, suspension-corrected (80mm), tapered and butted straight blade. While the Ops version is 1.5" tapered steerer, 32mm 100mm travel.

    They are two different frames, correct?

    I'd be good with a 100mm straight steerer fork?

    And I know nothing about forks, only experience is with a crappy Suntour on an entry level mountain bike. It appears nice Fox (and RockShox) forks go for $7-900. I don't think I need that much fork, do I? Not in my budget anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    I am looking to add suspension to my mint (color) Karate Monkey (2016 model, not Ops).

    Surly's site says the frame is 1-1/8 straight steerer, suspension-corrected (80mm), tapered and butted straight blade. While the Ops version is 1.5" tapered steerer, 32mm 100mm travel.

    They are two different frames, correct?

    I'd be good with a 100mm straight steerer fork?

    And I know nothing about forks, only experience is with a crappy Suntour on an entry level mountain bike. It appears nice Fox (and RockShox) forks go for $7-900. I don't think I need that much fork, do I? Not in my budget anyway.
    Your frame will handle both a straight or tapered steerer fork. If you run a Cane Creek EC44 bottom headset, it will accommodate either just by selecting the appropriate crown race that fits on the fork. It's not 2 different frames, it's that the headtube is a 44mm inside diameter which allows use of either steerer based upon the headset used.

    Yes, a 100mm straight steerer fork would work fine. Based on the above, so would a 100mm tapered steerer fork with the correct headset/crownrace.

    Suntour has some issues as being substandard with their cheaper line. Yes, there's better. It just depends on what YOU really want/need for your riding conditions. I see recently that Suntour is out to gain some notoriety in the market by upping their game. Thier new stuff just might be worthy. I haven't delved into it to look yet but probably will take a closer look at Sea Otter Classic next month. Keep an eye on Pinkbike. There are several decent used forks there right now that would be suitable. I'm getting ready to buy one for my Mint Green '15 I just built. I'm rolling with either the 100mm RS SID or a Reba but will likely buy new from my RS connection. I prefer to go a bit overboard with major components. I'm considering resale if/when I decide to move on.
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    Great, thanks Oh My Sack!(!)

    I checked out PB and it appears there are indeed a couple that would work great.

    Sounds like we are adding suspension to the same Mint Karate Monkey. Are you going straight or tapered steerer fork - and why?

    I'd be interested in hearing specific fork suggestions too. I am looking to tame bumpy/rooty sections and not have my front wheel bounce furiously off rocks/roots/bumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Great, thanks Oh My Sack!(!)

    I checked out PB and it appears there are indeed a couple that would work great.

    Sounds like we are adding suspension to the same Mint Karate Monkey. Are you going straight or tapered steerer fork - and why?

    I'd be interested in hearing specific fork suggestions too. I am looking to tame bumpy/rooty sections and not have my front wheel bounce furiously off rocks/roots/bumps.
    Straight steerer forks are almost disappearing from the market. If you shop around online you can get a brand new high end fork for $400 or less, and you'll find a lot more options with tapered steerer. Fox had a bad run for awhile so be careful of older models there (2012-2014ish). Throw a pic up, what headset is already on your bike?

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    I have a straight steerer recon with exactly 1 ride if anybody wants to make an offer. It doesn't exactly clear my b+ sneaks, so I only used it once for fooling around with my 29" "race" wheels that I roached from my f/s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane5001 View Post
    Straight steerer forks are almost disappearing from the market. If you shop around online you can get a brand new high end fork for $400 or less, and you'll find a lot more options with tapered steerer. Fox had a bad run for awhile so be careful of older models there (2012-2014ish). Throw a pic up, what headset is already on your bike?
    Thanks for the reply! This is the headset: Cane Creek 40, 1-1/8˝ threadless. Black
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Thanks for the reply! This is the headset: Cane Creek 40, 1-1/8˝ threadless. Black
    Throw a pic up that highlights the headtube/headset.

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    If the lower headset cup is almost completely concealed by the mint green head tube then it's 1 1/8," if there's an external black cane creek cup with little lizards on it sticking out of the bottom of the mint green head tube, it'll work with both steerer's given the right crown race.

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    Here are some forks I am considering:

    RockShox SID - kinda pricey. Might take a pinkbike superdeal.
    RockShox Reba - not sure if the Recon is too entry level.
    Manitou Marvel - seems to be a great value.
    Marzocchi 320 LCR - also seems to be a solid value.
    Fox something - not too familiar yet with the different levels.
    And the new RockShox Judy Gold is interesting.
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    Follow up question: would a 120mm fork be too much travel? I am not entirely sure I would notice. Looking at a nice deal on a 120mm Fox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Follow up question: would a 120mm fork be too much travel? I am not entirely sure I would notice. Looking at a nice deal on a 120mm Fox.
    Y'up. Too much, IMO. The frame is designed for up to 100mm travel. I had a Fox 34 140 sitting here for that purpose but could only reduce it to a 120 so I shipped it down the road. I think I'm going for a new '17 Reba RCT3 100mm.
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    Thanks Oh My Sack - that seems to be the consensus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyriverag View Post
    Thanks Oh My Sack - that seems to be the consensus.
    with which gen frame? surly's site lists the frame as 140mm fork compatible. now we all now that doesn't mean it's ideal, but I think 120mm is certainly within the realm of "normal",

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    with which gen frame? surly's site lists the frame as 140mm fork compatible. now we all now that doesn't mean it's ideal, but I think 120mm is certainly within the realm of "normal",
    I have a newer old model - a mint 2016 (I think).
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    Alright so I just placed an order for my 2017 KM Frame. I have a question on what crankset I need (or rather what would fit with whatever wheels I get). I plan on having two wheelsets - a 29er set (already have the 29er wheels from other bike) and a 27.5+ set.

    My 29er set has a 12x142 hub rear wheel. The 27.5+ set has boost (12x148) hub rear wheel. Running both of these wheels is possible with the gnot boost rear dropouts. I'd like to run a 32T up front which means I'll need a 1x boost crankset according to the surly frame specs page.

    Will this affect things with my 29er non-boost spaced rear wheel? Has anyone tried putting a non-boost crankset on and seeing how big of a chainring they can run (Surly says 28T)? How much am I over thinking this?
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    OGKM in mini kramp state:


    Rangers on blunts, side knobs removed on rear.
    The rear is obviously new, but it sat at 25psi for a few days before I could get to trimming. It's at 15 right now, I think I'll be riding it at 14, based upon my driveway/neighborhood experiment.

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    Anyone tried 29x2.6 Nobby Nics on the 'old' KM frame? I hear very good things about these tyres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Kirkwood View Post
    Anyone tried 29x2.6 Nobby Nics on the 'old' KM frame? I hear very good things about these tyres.
    Won't fit. I haven't tried but I'm running 2.35 NN's or Rock Razr on an i35 and it barely fits. There's no extra space.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lips3341 View Post
    Alright so I just placed an order for my 2017 KM Frame. I have a question on what crankset I need (or rather what would fit with whatever wheels I get). I plan on having two wheelsets - a 29er set (already have the 29er wheels from other bike) and a 27.5+ set.

    My 29er set has a 12x142 hub rear wheel. The 27.5+ set has boost (12x148) hub rear wheel. Running both of these wheels is possible with the gnot boost rear dropouts. I'd like to run a 32T up front which means I'll need a 1x boost crankset according to the surly frame specs page.

    Will this affect things with my 29er non-boost spaced rear wheel? Has anyone tried putting a non-boost crankset on and seeing how big of a chainring they can run (Surly says 28T)? How much am I over thinking this?
    I'm running mine (XT non-boost, 32T) on my 2017 KM without any problems, and there is still a ton of clearance between the ring and chainstay yoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aybee View Post
    I'm running mine (XT non-boost, 32T) on my 2017 KM without any problems, and there is still a ton of clearance between the ring and chainstay yoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiely View Post
    Care to upload a picture?
    Here ya go:



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    Quote Originally Posted by aybee View Post
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    Looks awesome. What's your rear hub spacing then?
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    I finally figured out what style of tires I prefer on my KM, which is the typical, squarish-profile MTB tire. I've run 700x50 Marathon Supremes, 700x60 Big Apples, 700x40 Duremes, 700x32 Vittoria Hypers and finally, Maxxis Torch 29's. These are the first tires that make my Karate Monkey ride like a Karate Monkey. I think it's the square profile, rather than the width. The Big Apples were bigger but very round and the bike did not ride like a stock KM with them installed. Plus, the Torches just make the Karate Monkey look right.

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    That looks like a pretty round profile to me. I don't know how a km is supposed to feel more like a km should, but if you're happy, then pin it to win it.

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    2012 setup SS for commuting and a 2017 on 29+
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    Just fine tuning this build. Holy heck this monkey is fun!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    2012 setup SS for commuting and a 2017 on 29+
    Give us some details on the 29+ setup.

    Where is your axle in the dropouts?

    How far forward can it do?

    Any toe interference with front wheel?

    Looks like you're running Arc 45's with 3.0 Chupa's?


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    Quote Originally Posted by racefit View Post
    Give us some details on the 29+ setup.

    Where is your axle in the dropouts?

    How far forward can it do?

    Any toe interference with front wheel?

    Looks like you're running Arc 45's with 3.0 Chupa's?


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    Toe interference: NONE. I have 4-5 inches to the front tire and I wear a 15.


    ARC45 with 3.0 Chupa's YUP!

    5-7mm on drive side clearance where I located the tire.

    Honestly, if I didn't already have the ARC45s I would probably be running a 2.8.
    I built the wheelset for my Salsa Timberjack which now needs to go away.
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    My monkey moves into another version of itself. Received an RS Reba RL 100mm with PopLoc, today. Got it mounted and it's sweeet!

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    What's the reason for the tensioner?

    Quote Originally Posted by ATB1991 View Post
    Just fine tuning this build. Holy heck this monkey is fun!!!

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    I couldn't get my chain length perfect and I've been swapping between rear cogs, but my LBS only had the singleator in stock and I wanted to ride since we had some sunshine over the weekend. I have a tuggnut in the mail and will repurpose the singleator to an upcoming vertical dropout SS build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    My monkey moves into another version of itself. Received an RS Reba RL 100mm with PopLoc, today. Got it mounted and it's sweeet!

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    Bike looks awesome!

    Tell me more about those rims - Raceface Arc? 29er right?

    And going back to adding suspension (or pricier parts in general - question for anybody: I think I can get a fork for a reasonable price online vs the bike shop, like I don't think he'll be able to match, but I will need a shop to install it. That's not a total dick move, is it?

    Dude in CA is selling a new Marvel Manitou Pro for $285 on Pinkbike. Seems to be a great fork, with almost universally favorable reviews.

    And because it will take both straight and tapered steer tubes, does it matter - any benefit or ride differences between the two?
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