• 01-16-2013
    scyule
    KRAMPUS frameset= $724.99 ?
    Until today I was certain that I'd buy a KRAMPUS frameset and build a 29+
    I figured with a frameset,($725)
    two rabbithole rims ($300)
    and a pair of KNARDS, ($240)
    I'd be set, as I'm sure everything else I'd need is already in my garage.

    (wow.... $1265.00 frame+rims+tires)


    But $ 725. for a steel frame set?

    am I missing something important?

    why isn't this a $500 frameset?
  • 01-16-2013
    Kris
    Number one rule of business: you charge what the market will bear.

    I'm sure they will sell out of frames in short order, even at that high price.

    I wish they would make a 26er version of the Krampus, that I'd be all over!
  • 01-16-2013
    Bevalhalla
    they do its called a pugsley
  • 01-16-2013
    ScaryJerry
    you could also put together a 1x1 or Troll...
  • 01-16-2013
    JAGI410
    Sparkles are expensive. Moonlander costs more than a Pugsley too, when the frames aren't that much different. New product means more engineering, better paint, etc = higher cost. That's all without the supply/demand factored in.
  • 01-16-2013
    CBUL
    SCYULE- $725 is pretty flippin steep for China produced frame.(no matter who's sticker is on the side of ti!) Still love the looks of it but not for that much. Thats some sticker shock huh?
  • 01-17-2013
    Surfdog93
    And the rigid fork is extra as well, correct ?
  • 01-17-2013
    sasquatch rides a SS
    Fork is included. Like most all Surly framesets you get the frame, fork and seatpost clamp for the marked msrp.
  • 01-18-2013
    HardyWeinberg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CBUL View Post
    SCYULE- $725 is pretty flippin steep for China produced frame.(no matter who's sticker is on the side of ti!) Still love the looks of it but not for that much. Thats some sticker shock huh?

    They're not going to Taiwan anymore?
  • 01-18-2013
    CBUL
    Taiwan or China ........Splitting hairs really HardyWeinberg. Your are probable right. I ditched all the caution stickers and made "in" decals ASAP. The main point is that the cost feels way steep for an "affordable" blue collar fun machine. Make no mistake I love what Surly has done. Cool innovative bikes in steel. Kinda a rebel bike builder with an attitude....I dig it but a chump like me needs to be able to afford it. I fear they are going all BMW with the label. So you guys at Surly stick to your play book and sell affordable solid bikes! 725$ for a frame has this cowboy in the stands watchin' not riding. I will buy more more Surly stuff if its not priced like you just got done smoking crack! Just keep it reasonable and not become some elitist brand name.

    I don't know of any other bike company that has done so much innovation in the past 15 years other than Surly? They are true industry leaders. Just keep it affordable fellas!


    I recall way back when Duluth Mn. news did a piece on a new bike called the big dummy. I took notice. A solid affordable domestic bike. Well not so domestic and not so affordable anymore. Again review the playbook!


    Good talk!
    (If you work for Quality Bikes please forward this the the head cheese)
  • 01-18-2013
    bb1mina
    Maybe it's because of the special chain stay yoke, and being a "fat" 29er bike frame, it also used a couple inches more of tubes or something, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the special metal flake paint job ;-)

    Anyway, I read that you can use a direct mount front dérailleur, but I'm not seeing any mounting point on the pictures they provided? Anybody noticed that?
  • 01-18-2013
    CBUL
    I'm thinking just an normal clamp on sort.
  • 01-18-2013
    BoogieMang
    You could always wait until somebody else comes out with a 29+ frameset
  • 01-21-2013
    Normbilt
    for a front derailleur you would need
    this adapter

    http://img1.qbp.com/6SPsvm45/prodl/FS1326.jpg

    with this type of derailluer

    http://img1.qbp.com/6SPsvm45/prodl/FD6036.jpg
  • 01-21-2013
    johnny the boy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bb1mina View Post
    ....the special chain stay yoke, and being a "fat" 29er bike frame...

    this.
    a lot of r&d went into this frame, you can tell. in time, i'm sure the price will fall down to other "normal" priced surly frames. think about any new product, where tons of design went into it, and other parts had to be manufactured to make it work (in this instance the chainstay yoke). you can't give this away.
    i remember someone on here thinking that the ogre complete build was stout @ ~$1500, but look how many people on these forums own one, and think it's actually a great value.
    i spent a thousand bucks on my "super slim, led backlight technology 46" smart tv" and some people with a 32" trinitron they've had for 15yrs probably think it's a waste of money....just because i think i got a good deal and it was worth it to me, doesn't mean you have to agree.....
  • 01-21-2013
    Gritter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bb1mina View Post
    Maybe it's because of the special chain stay yoke...

    +2

    The rear chainstay yoke is the reason it's more expensive. Just LOOK at it!

    http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l1...ps8d5015e8.jpg
  • 01-22-2013
    CS2
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gritter View Post
    +2

    The rear chainstay yoke is the reason it's more expensive. Just LOOK at it!

    http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l1...ps8d5015e8.jpg

    Looks very good actually.
  • 01-22-2013
    hunter006
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by johnny the boy View Post
    this.
    a lot of r&d went into this frame, you can tell. in time, i'm sure the price will fall down to other "normal" priced surly frames. think about any new product, where tons of design went into it, and other parts had to be manufactured to make it work (in this instance the chainstay yoke). you can't give this away.
    i remember someone on here thinking that the ogre complete build was stout @ ~$1500, but look how many people on these forums own one, and think it's actually a great value.
    i spent a thousand bucks on my "super slim, led backlight technology 46" smart tv" and some people with a 32" trinitron they've had for 15yrs probably think it's a waste of money....just because i think i got a good deal and it was worth it to me, doesn't mean you have to agree.....

    Price is typically proportional to R&D, complexity of producing the frame, materials used and construction technique. Apart from the less than super awesome steel they use (still awesome, just not super awesome) the frame manufacturing requires an additional step in the process (which requires special machinery), the paint job is not cheap, and it looks like a decent amount of R&D went in to making a frame that wouldn't bend at the chainstay yoke the instant you landed it sideways on a jump, while still being compatible with 68mm parts AND achieving 29x3+". Even going down to what butting of tubing can be used on those stays to get a good enough strength-to-weight ratio, I'd say that they've done considerable research.

    All in all though, this is $190 more than a Surly Ogre frame. After you've built it up, that's something like 10% higher cost overall in parts and bike. That's the state tax of Washington (I'm not usually one to advocate against LBS's, but if you're that strapped for cash and your state has state tax...). If you're going to have as much fun on the Krampus, if not more, than I have on my Surly Ogre, it will be money well spent, and over the lifetime of owning the bike, it will probably be a drop in the ocean compared to what you spend on tires, rims and other consumables.
  • 01-25-2013
    leeboh
    Why don't you try a nice custom frame from a local bike builder if you want cheaper, oh wait, nevermind. I have had my 1x1 for 5 years now in 4 different builds, how many years will the Krampus frame last you? What are you going to find for cheaper? And last just as long.
  • 01-30-2013
    btl68
    Jenson has the frames listed at the $724.99 price and they say "Availability: Usually ships in 8-9 weeks"!

    Looks like it's pricey AND you get to wait another few months. At least from JensonUSA.
  • 01-30-2013
    bb1mina
    I hope it comes with that problem solvers front dérailleur adapter thingy, so I'll have the option of running 2x10 later
  • 01-30-2013
    thickfog
    Re: KRAMPUS frameset= $724.99 ?
    Just got mine off the porch and and it has the adapter!
  • 01-31-2013
    Go Kart Motzart
    I never understand these price complaint threads. If you think it's over priced...don't buy it.

    Just bought mine. Which other 29er plus frameset, rims and tires can I buy ( at any price?)?
  • 01-31-2013
    CBUL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart View Post
    I never understand these price complaint threads. If you think it's over priced...don't buy it.

    Just bought mine. Which other 29er plus frameset, rims and tires can I buy ( at any price?)?

    Did it show up in a Brinks armored truck with an armed escort? ......Despite the price they are cool as hell. Do post a pic of the build when your done.
  • 02-01-2013
    Bacons
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by btl68 View Post
    Jenson has the frames listed at the $724.99 price and they say "Availability: Usually ships in 8-9 weeks"!

    Looks like it's pricey AND you get to wait another few months. At least from JensonUSA.

    Depending on size, Treefortbikes.com has them in stock and shipping now.
    Complete bikes are to hit in March but pre-orders have them sold out in the foreseeable future (so I'm told by my LBS).
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