Ideal Bike Quivers
So, I'm doing some long-term thinking about what I want in my bicycle quiver in the years to come. Obviously, there's some uncertainty and variability since the bikes available in a few years, when you're ready to buy, but nevertheless.... here's what I'm thinking I'd like for my personal bicycle quiver:
1) Big Dummy (my current bike)
Purpose: Grocery-getting, family riding, and hauling stuff.
2) Cross Check (next up; I think)
Purpose: Bike commuting to work; riding for exercise; any time I don't need big cargo or kid hauling.
Purpose: Snow commuting (Chicago), possible traveling to sandy climes; trail riding.
That makes sense. I have a Big Dummy, a full-squish AM 29er, and am in the process of selling my Ogre and buying another Pugsley.
This leaves a gap where "general purpose on-road bike" should go, but I live under a harsh maritally-mandated "3 Bicycle Rule" so my Big Dummy must work as general purpose bike. Prior to getting the Pugsley, the Ogre was doing that just fine, though.
'15 Specialized Fatboy
'14 Kona Zone Two
'13 Surly Big Dummy
I would be happy to have a Krampus (ready to be run SS or 1x10) and a Steamroller. I currently have a Karate Monkey and an On-One Pompino, but if I had to start again and could go for all Surly stuff, those would be the two.
Yuba Mundo - commute, haul
Pugsley - fun
3 speed town bike - commute, errands, pub
LHT 26" w/ open bar - hit the open road, explore, MTB
My mind changes daily. About to put my xtracycle back together so I'm about halfway. That would make Xtracycle, and pugsley in quiver. Don't really need more than that. I just like yubas.
Quiver - thinking out loud.
I'm also thinking of a quiver with three arrows in it:
1 - Mountain Bike. I have an '11 KM SS as my only functional bike. It's the first and only bike I ever built from the frame up. Use: mountain biking, obviously. However, it gets many more commute-to-work miles than it does bikepacking, trail riding, or general mess-around-on-singletrack miles. Which brings me to...
2 - Commuter Bike. My commute to work is a 14 mile round trip, half of which is on singletrack. My KM has done this task comfortably, but it is slow. Sometimes I want to take the road the whole way and cut the ride time in half, even though the distance is the same. I'll need a different bike than the KM to optimize a road commute. A CC may be ideal for this, and may do OK if I feel like just taking the singletrack instead of the road now and then. I used to commute on a Bridgestone XO-2 and it took me only half as long for the road route than the KM takes me on the singletrack.
3 - Long distance road bike. This breaks down into two types of riding: I want to do centuries and rando-style rides, which could be done with one bike. Pacer? CC? And I want to do some loaded touring, which may be better on a different bike. Mostly on unpaved roads. Troll? LHT? Ogre?
I may be able to economize by using an Ogre or Troll as both a mountain bike and as a loaded touring bike, depending on components. I could sell my KM or give it to my son, who would likely enjoy the heck out of it. So, maybe I'm actually down to only two bikes:
1 - Mountain. Ogre or Troll
2 - Commuter. CC
3a - Century. CC
3b - Tour. Ogre or Troll
- Edited to correct model year of my KM frame.
Last edited by Spinymouse; 01-20-2013 at 05:08 PM.
These days I'm thinking a Disc Trucker and an Ogre will cover the full spectrum nicely.
Originally Posted by XJaredX
Heh, I think I saw your ad on craigslist.
Anyway, for me:
Commuter: Single-speed 70s Schwinn I just picked up so I don't have to leave more expensive bikes locked in the city streets. Sure doesn't ride as nice as the Troll...
Mountain bike: Surly Troll
Touring/bikepacking rig: Surly Troll
Road bike: Don't have one
Fatbike: Don't have one
Other than that there's not too much I'd want. The fatbike is basically an extra toy since I alraedy have an MTB, and the road bike wouldn't get much use since I don't live in an area with nice roads to ride on.
I think I've covered my bases with the current stable. If I'm not at home I'm usually on a bike or working on a bike trail. With little ones I have to plan well to maximize the time I have. Having multiple bikes makes this much more exciting. Because really, I'd rather just get on a go, but responsibility calls.
FS 29er (Salsa Spearfish) Used for racing/trips/long days in the saddle.
Rigid Geared 29er (Surly Ogre) Riding trails, pavement, gravel and anything else you can do on a single ride. I like riding to the trail head versus driving. This bike does a good job of getting me to and from the trail and a great job on the trail. It also does a great job of pulling the kid trailer.
SS (Salsa El Mariachi) For SS'ing. It's good for ya
Gravel/Road(Salsa Vaya) Lots of paved bike trails here intermixed with hundreds of miles of gravel roads. They just completed an 89 mile loop right out my front door. It's good to mix it up once in a while.
Snow bike (Surly Pugsley) Winter, Sand, creek beds, exploring and adventuring. And it's just plain fun!
I'd like to eventually have my 3 main bikes to be my 1x1, a Krampus and a Cross Check. I'd still hang on to my other "fun" bikes that don't get ridden quite as often. As someone else already said, I'd love to have most of my bikes be Surly...and that's just a matter of time
I forgot to include fixed gear MTB/beater into my ideal quiver.
Oh, and my 1987 Peugeot Crazy Horse mountain bike. Bought new in the Darmstadt PX in West Germany. (Back when there was a West Germany.)
It's in pieces now and I'm debating rehabilitating it. Some non-standard parts there, like a 15/16th (23.8mm) seat post, to contend with. Hmm... There isn't anything wrong with it really; it's just all disassembled.
It would be a great beater/commuter/trail bike. Which is what it was for many happy years.
Heavy as an anvil though...
Transition vagrant - downhill/freeride
Steamroller - commuter/fast bike
Ogre - commuter/adventure/x country/ distance mtb
Might sell the steamroller if the ogre works good enough as a commuter, have a frame on order, probably will build first as a SS then likely 2x9 later. Will try using my steamer wheels for a bit before getting some 29er wheels. My instigator frame was gonna replace the vagrant but its out of commission now.
Big Dummy for hauling kids and stuff
El Mariachi SS for lighter mountain biking
Specialized Langster for ripping around town alone
Santa Cruz Bullit for the Big stuff
Salsa MukLuk for beach and or snow riding
Cannondale for pure road biking
Getting a Krampus to fill gap between SS and Bullit
When my wife told me I had to sell a bike I wasn't using in order to get a new one I offered to sell hers.
1) GT Peace single speed 29er
2) Old Trek 610 for commuting (fenders and rack) It stays ready to commute otherwise its a PIA to ready it for a work day. Fewer excuses makes me pedal the 11 miles to work.
3) 2012 Surly KM 1X9 (soon will have a suspension fork)
4) 2012-13 Surly Cross Check (cyclocross and road/gravel rides)
Old Trek 930 is now a dust collector. Good frame but 26" wheels feels so wrong. Also a super twitchy ride.
Maybe someday a fat bike but not anytime soon.
A Big Dummy ,CC and pug would be a really good start.
I seem to need a road bike, a mountain bike, and a utility/camping/kid trailer pulling bike. Right now I have:
- Surly CC--I like my road bike to be fixed gear, most of the time.
- Surly KM (set up as rigid SS)--I like this OK, but the tiny headtube frustrates me (I also have a Soma Juice hanging around that may get built up similarly) I might trade these both in for something else.
- Soma Double Cross--this is new, I'm just building it into my utility bike. Previously, this was a Salsa Fargo, but I wanted something not quite so heavy duty. Yes, this is very similar to my CC, but every time I built my CC into a utility rig, I missed having a fixed gear.
I also have a Stumjumper FSR 120 26er, which I'm actually quite fond of. Which is strange, because I usually get bored with full sus bikes very quickly.
Seat Boy - Tiny head tube? Explain please.
Tiny in height: 95mm on my older size Large frame. I need to run 50~80mm of spacers to get the bars where I want them, about even with my saddle. It just looks pretty dorky.
I'm just especially frustrated with this right now, since last night as an experiment, I slapped a 26" rigid fork on the KM (440mm vs. a 465mm 29er fork). The dropped the front end, so I had to make up the difference with yet more spacers.
Originally Posted by CBUL
This is a fun thread. I would have to agree with the roadbike, mountain bike, utility bike formula, with one or two doubling as a commuter or tourer. So here's my current lineup:
LHT - Old Faithful. Currently set up as the utility, commuting, and kid hauling bike. And it's the sensible bike with fenders and flat pedals. In the past it's been the roadbike (did a tri it) and the mountain bike (monster trucker). Never did get a chance to tour. I thought about swapping the LHT's parts onto an Ogre. But the Trucker works fine and looks good doing it.
CC - Currently my roadbike, though only a tire swap away from being the trail bike. The CC's my choice for fitness rides, long distance exploration, and any time I want to go fast (or think I am).
On One Inbred - The mountain bike (duh). No compromises trailbike with 1 x 8 (yeah - 8!) gears and no racks or lights or nothing. And Clinton-era suspension fork and v-brakes off my defunct Diamondback. I originally wanted another Surly (of course), but used 1x1 frames were not forthcoming and the deal on the Inbred frame was too good. So far I like it and it should keep getting better as I slowly, but surly, get around to updating the parts.
What am I missing? Well I'd dearly love a 29er in the garage. Either a KM or a Singular Gryphon. Or both. I'd totally dig a more roadie roadbike - a steel one. That'd free me up to convert the CC to SS and unleash the one-geared demon I know is lurking inside it. And, of course, I think I'll need a fatbike before too long. Just a matter of time.
Surly Cross Check: fat tire roadie
Surly LHT: Kid hauler
On One Inbred: SS 26er
Wow, lots of discussion generated on this one! We just hit negative-F for the first time this year; I was all set to still bike to work but my wife nixed it (boo!). Makes me wish I had the capital for a pugsley now. I've just started bike commuting (a mere 4mi each way), and am REALLY enjoying it.
Keep the ideas and reviews coming!
PS: Anyone who hasn't tooled around on a Dummy for a while is missing a fun time. Two girls on back make it even better!
My ideal bike quiver eh? I like the bikes I have, but I'd certainly like to add to them.
Have: Surly Cross-check (road/dirt road/light mtb), Salsa Ala Carte (backup mtb, currently only mtb).
Want: Salsa El Mariachi 2 (next purchase)
Zoo 26" trials bike
Some sort of DH racer
Moots Mooto-X YBB
etc, etc, etc...
This is a good thread. A couple of things up front. I don't own a car now and never have. I don't mountain bike anymore as there's no trail access from town (Portland, OR). That doesn't keep me from riding dirt and gravel roads, but the bikes in my current quiver can more than handle those. Also, in all honesty, I think I'm at my ideal quiver... and yet I continue to think about mixing it up and even reducing it. Here's what's in the basement now in order of how long I've had them:
1) Cross Check set-up singlespeed with Nitto Albatross bars. My current daily commuter, around town, rambler. I've had this bike for over 6 years now through countless set-ups. Although single speed now, I'm considering setting it up with gears.
2) Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen. Love this bike and will never part with it. Like a CC or LHT, it's quite versatile and has been my partner in some of my best biking adventures. I've ridden multiple brevet series, toured, camped and rambled around on this all over the PNW. I purchased it about 4.5yrs ago through Rivendell and just love it. Currently set-up with racks, fenders and platform pedals for rambling around. There's quite a bit of overlap between this and my LHT with the LHT having the advantage in the stability with a load class.
3) Cycles J. Bryant randonneur. Joshua is a friend of mine and made this bike for me a few years back. I used this bike for multiple brevets including the Cascade 1200k last year. It's a fantastic machine that is designed around carrying a front load. Nothing big but a front bag which carries gear/food.
4) Surly LHT. I had sold another Rivendell Rambouillet that I had used the money to purchase and LHT frame and put it together with parts I had laying around. I love this bike. In many ways, this is my go to bike that's pretty much capable of anything. Last year I even used it on a 300k brevet. While the frame and tires (700x35 Marathon Supremes) felt sluggish for that kind of ride it was quite comfortable. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the LHT as a randonneuring bike as long as you're not trying to complete your rides in R60 times (60% of alloted event time). Of course, it really comes down to the legs but I still think if you're riding like that you're gonna want a different bike. Still, an LHT with some 32mm Paselas, no racks/panniers, and some strong legs and I think you'd be fine.
5) Surly Big Dummy. I had wanted one of these for years. When it came time to pull the trigger I actually found myself between sizes. I had tried the 20" and 22" and in the end went for the 22" as I wanted the bars high. It was funny because I ended up not cutting the steerer tube. Currently I'm running a 10cm stem with Open Bars but will likely swap out the Open Bars for Albatross Bars. I think they're better for my needs. I really like this bike. It would probably be my go to around town bike if I had a garage. It's stored in the basement and getting it in and out is a bit of a pain. Oh well.
So on the one hand I'm pretty set on bikes. Really, I could manage fine with just the LHT and the Hilsen for all my needs. There's certainly some overlap in the quiver. I've thought of parting with the LHT and the CC in favor of a 26" DT with upright bars for commuting/campig/touring duty. I could see that happening. Probably would have already happened if I wasn't so loathe to deal with selling stuff.
All good expeditions should be simple in concept, difficult in their execution and satisfying to remember--Alastair Humphreys
I'm good with my current two bike quiver.
Surly troll for a utility bike that can pretty much do anything and is very low maintenance.
Chumba XCL for dedicated MTB use and technical trails.
Just got an early birthday present, going to start building a Krampus tomorrow at Topanga Creek Cycles!
Of my 5 bikes, the 3 that get ridden the most are my Surly's. I'm mostly a roadie that dabbles in mountain biking.
- 2003 Pacer with fenders. My general-purpose road bike for long distance rides, training, and occasional racing. In an ideal world, this would be replaced with a 2012+ Pacer that clears larger tires, but I'm too attached to the frame to get rid of it.
- 2005 Steamroller with fenders. My go-to commuting rig, it also gets used for group road rides. This bike easily sees the most mileage since I commute daily, year round. Typically set up with drop bars, it has occasionally seen flat bars and a front rack. Recently had a framebuilder add fender mounts to replace the p-clamps that held the fenders on previously.
- 2012 Karate Monkey with Salsa Fargo fork. My swiss-army bike. Trail setup is dingle-speed or 1x8 with flat bars. Bikepacking setup is 1x8, drop bars, rear rack, and Salsa Anything Cages on the fork. Recently I've been using the bike for winter commuting - 1x8 with drop bars and pink Cascadia fenders. I foresee this becoming the kid-hauler once my daughter is old enough.
Each of the bikes fills a need with minimal overlap. My other two bikes are just for fun - 80's Cannondale touring and an aluminum Specialized race bike.
1) Vintage road bike for paved roads, commuting, distance rides.
2) Xtracycle. Love this thing, it's the one I've had the longest.
3) Pugsley. Snow, winter commuting, single track.
4) Troll. Gravel, urban mischief, icy day commuting, touring, single track.
My stable is pretty set with this lineup, although I kind of want an old schwinn cruiser for the hell of it.
Fixed it for you
Originally Posted by JAGI410
Big Dummy - 3 season commuter, local shopping runs, and general cruising around town on a bike that exceeds my needs
Pugsley - singletrack, snow, fun
old school Wheeler aluminum frame mtb - winter commuter for salty sloppy roads decked out with nokian studded tires
Soma Juice - 29er singlespeed trail bike
Not sure what my next bike will be. I actually feel pretty content with my quiver right now A faster commuter would be nice though
Big Summy- most useful bike I've ever owned. I started with an extracycle and upgraded to a dummy a couple years ago. There is a noticeable difference in frame flex when climbing hills with my two kids on the back and the Dummy just feels rock solid. I also use this as the family camping bike (carrying everyone else's stuff while they ride their own bikes), my grocery getter, and all around commuter for summertime- where I'm never afraid to stop at a rummage sale, farmer's market, or hardware store on my way home.
Pugsley- newest addition to my quiver and takes the place of my old winter bike, which I sold to help pay for it, and my will be my new single track machine- since I sold off my old Homegrown to fund my original Xtracycle. This bike may not be fast, at least not with me on it, but it is a heck of a lot of fun to ride. I also have some off road touring ideas for it come summer.
Santana tandem with a child stoker kit on it. I sue this for bike touring/camping when I just have one kid at a time- or when my old child wants to ride her own bike. I tired it with a tag-a-long, but its faster to just throw both kids on the dummy than have some super long bike train flopping all over the road because the kid on the back is slacking off. When the kids outgrow this one I could see selling it and buying a LHT to use as a road bike/touring machine.
Those three would cover everything for me, but if I had to choose the Big Dummy would be my one and only. With studded tires it handles the snow fairly well, but not as well as the pug. The long tail design gave it lots of traction for climbing icy hills come winter.
3 Bike Quiver
Dirt: 1x1 (I have it. SS or IGH.)
Pavement/Gravel: LHT (I want it bad. The 26" Canti Version)
Townie/Grocery Getter: Anything that I'm not overly attached to. (Currently a Custom Giant Suede)
1 Bike Quiver
A Pacer and a KM should do it for most. Throw in a Fat Bike for fun.
Originally Posted by keevohn
A garage full of steel frames means happiness.
been working on assembling my quiver here...
Ogre for general commuting and hauling,long and short distance road touring and maybe a bit of dirt road riding as well,i have mine set up with an alfine8 and schwalbe big apples,makes for a super plush cruiser.
Karate Monkey set up as a rigid single speed with a white industries dos enos 20/22 and race face 32 tooth narrow wide with a spare 10 speed rear wheel to run a 1x10.
trail slaying monkey fun either way...
Moonlander set up as an all terrain local touring beast,old man mountain front and rear racks,full pannier set...load it up and go crawling...
and getting a Krampus in the next couple weeks,that will get set up sweet,goona upgrade to hope hubs and stans hugos and set the rabbit hole rims up with one as a single speed rear hub and the other with an alfine11...
I've noticed that a lot of Surly riders like commuting on KMs or Ogres. Actually anything that's overkill. Why don't we see more Pacer love. It's really an ideal solution for most road and MUP riding. They are super easy to build with anything you've got laying around in the parts bin.
A garage full of steel frames means happiness.
I really like the flexibility of the Ogre when commuting. Sometimes I feel like off-roading for a bit when going home and Ogre lets me do that.
Originally Posted by CS2
for me its all about the fatties,the more tire the better,plus i needed to be able to tow a trailer easily and i was looking for something a bit more tank like than a road frame and i just never could get comfortable on drop bars.
Originally Posted by CS2
Currently I have:
Surly Disc Trucker - I use this to commute about 90 miles a week. Its got a rear rack, frame bag, fenders, a bell, and a light. Its like 34 pounds. Not the lightest or the fastest bike in the world, but its really comfortable and I can take some dirt road alternative routes without rattling my bones apart.
Surly Ice Cream Truck - This is my awesome new trail shredding machine, that happens to be usable on snow too! Its crazy heavy with the Bluto and a Dropper Post, but once I manage to get it up a hill coming back down is a lot of fun.
In an ideal world, I'd add something like this:
Surly Straggler / Disc Brake Pacer - Some sort of fast thing that could do road rides, gravel grinding, and speed oriented commutes. Sometimes I wonder if I just need to pedal my Disc Trucker faster, but having a bike around 22 pounds or so would be really nice.
Surly ECR - This will probably be the next bike I get. Something to do overnight trips on dirt roads, carry a ton of junk, cruise around the neighborhood with my girlfriend, and tour some breweries.
Santa Cruz Tallboy LT - The ICT is a singletrack machine, but it sometimes feels like overkill for less techy trails. Having a modern fast Full Squish would help me do 30+ mile mountain bike days.
A black, stock Karate Monkey with 2.15" Schwalbe Almotion tires. If Surly was still selling the old-style, canti-studded 1x1, I might prefer that over a KM.
A black Rohloff equipped Ogre with 2.15" Schwalbe Almotions and a set of Nano'ish tires for off-pavement rides.
Ok..interesting thread. So, currently
Giant TCR advanced 0- my full on race/road bike
Giant Trance 27.5 0- my super light full sus MTB to get me out of the trouble my limited skill gets me in to!!
Surly Straggler- commuter/Gravel Grinder, loving this so far!!!!
OLD SS- flat bar old school frame thrown together. The Saturday ride to work bike..Fun.
Avanti Super Sprint - circa 1980's, wind trainer bike.
Next bikes- either Surly ICT with Bluto or Salsa Bucksaw (carbon???)
MTB Tandem - for Rail Trails with my wife as she can't keep up with the group (stuffed hips from birth) but likes to ride. Not too keen on the tandem idea though dammit.
I think I am about there:
1. Salsa Vaya- commuting, gravel "racing", long meandering road rides. If I could, I would have no problem replacing this with a Straggler, but that's what I have.
2. Karate Monkey Ops. I have an 2013 KM that's working fine for me for everything off-road, but the modern touches on the Ops would be a welcomed change.
What is the minimum number for this "Ideal Bike Quiver"?
'Coz my quiver is endless ;-)
When trails gets tougher, Just stand up and deliver.
I would add a Big Dummy and a Pugsley 29+ set up SS/Fixed to the LHT, Troll and Instigator V1 I currently own.
That is what I would call a 1st world problem!!!
Originally Posted by evandy
KM ops with two forks. One 100mm suspension for trails, one Fargo rigid for bikepacking.
A Straggler with a custom fork, something like the Salsa La Cruz with cage mounts like the Fargo. For commuting, road touring, and gravel.
A Sunday Funday, for freestyle.
And a full suspension. I've been eyeing the GT Helion and the Marin Rift Zone. I just want a good all rounder that has a fun spirit.
Just to chime back in here. I now have both the cross check and the Pugsley. By far my favorite bike of the three is the crosscheck, although the Pugsley isn't too bad in the snow. Wish I had the chance to ride the big dummy more, but my girls like to ride by themselves so the crosscheck gets the nod most frequently.
I think I got all the surfaces covered pretty well with with these two....but might add a Pacer or a Steamroller with a IGH for those quicker road rides.
"You don't need a lighter bike, you need bigger muscles"
Ideal Bike Quivers
1) mountain: Chromag Surface AM hardtail steel 29er. Anything up or down. Doubles for bikepacking.
2) CX bike. Handles road, touring, gravel and cx duties. Get a ti one to squash any desire for quickie road bike. If slow is fast for you, get Straggler.
3) commuter/ kid hauler: Kinn Cascade Flyer, kona minute or Bike Friday Haul-a-day. Able to fit on bus racks and handle a kid seat well. Dress up with front basket and/ or panniers.
My ideal quiver would provide everything I need while not taking up a ton of space. To that point, I'd say 3 bikes would do the trick.
1. Troll. This would be my hauler, commuter, do everything type bike.
2. Pacer or Steamroller. This would be my drop bar roadie.
3. Moonlander or Ice Cream Truck. My winter / whatever I want to do bike.
I believe 7 plus 1 or 2 to be the "Ideal" number of bikes to own.
Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
My current quiver...
3. Instigator V1
4. Vintage Miyata Sport Tourer
5. Vintage Maruishi Randonneur
6. Vintage Rocky Mountain MTB
7. KHS CM26 Cruiser
Possibly in my future.
7+2. Big Dummy
Sold the ogre frame, now have an ECR
Originally Posted by scottg07
Really thinking about V2 instigator frame to build up and go half fat with the vagrant.
This is an older thread, so I can also do an update:
CC: Still present and accounted for!
KM and Juice: gone, replaced by a Sette Razzo SC carbon 29er, which ride pretty amazingly, but the short head tube really frustrates me.
Soma DC: gone, replaced by a Velo Orange Camargue
and I've added:
- Vintage Trek 620, which threatens the CC, a bit. I like the flexier ride of the skinnier tubing, and the lower trail front end. I would miss the tire clearance and gearing options, though.
- my Freakbike, an ERB (Energy Return Bike, basically a new generation Slingshot)
I'm starting to feel a fatbike itch, but I didn't like the Moonlander that I demoed previously. I wonder if a 4" tired bike wouldn't be so ponderous? I'll try to demo something again at next weekend's global fat bike day ride. But I'm also thinking about a custom Chinese ti bike, with a massively long head tube and clearance for 29+.
Originally Posted by seat_boy
Custom Ti Indy Fab Club Racer, my randonneuring / sport touring bike
Krampus, with Rohloff, love this thing. Currently running studs, like the Knards for bikepacking and can't wait for something grippier for dirt.
Pugsley with Nates
Yuba Mundo - the family hauler town bike
I've had: (oldest first)
Raliegh Technium 450 (my first 'real bike')
Yeti FRO 26"
LeMond Zurich carbon / steel
Surly CrossCheck (loved that bike)
BakfietsNL long Bakfiets (kid and grocery hauler)
Couple of Dutch city bikes