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    Devo and The Dummy Again

    It seems like many can't get to the old thread, although for some strange reason, some still can access the thread.

    I thought I'd start new new thread. I miss being able to see Devo's posts. I'm sure many others do too!
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    you all are gluttons for punishment!

    well... not a whole lot lately.

    did a house sitting gig for a buddy.
    gee... real rough... tend to his 2 greyhounds that he got thru a rescue agency
    drink his rum and coke
    eat his food
    watch his big screen tv

    altho i did end up schlepping my road bike and some things over there, on The Dummy, as I had a 5 day stay, complete with my typical roadie Velo Club Monterey Racing Team... blah blah blah...

    so last Sunday was a + 70 miler out in an area called Panoche, we rode to some place called Mercy Hot Springs...
    aint nothin out there! hot wind, thats about it.
    i was exhausted!
    monday found me reading a book, and just sitting around.

    tomorrow finds me in transit with my road bike to Davis, Ca
    for The Davis Double
    HOT HOT HOT

    if all goes well, it will be my 2nd Double Century so far for the year.
    if all goes well, maybe this year I'll finish 3 doubles... then i can buy a patch, jacket, etc... "California Triple Crown"

    like... what do i need that for?
    uhhh... i don't know... just another thing "to do"

    so today has been somewhat manic

    i've been wrenching here at home, tyrin to make a buck or two
    so i've been on this project rebuild, a new carbon fork, etc...

    then tonight's team ride
    when i'm coming home, a small hill, i'm powering along, big ring, and decide to practice some smooth power up the hill, when "BANG!"

    damn.... broke another spoke.
    i've been using some Williams Racing System 19's
    at The Solvang Double I broke a pulling spoke on the non-drive side.
    tonight, the exact same thing.
    so something is up with those wheels.
    maybe its my 175lbs of chunking heft!

    so here's some pics

    a shot or two of the current bike i'm working on...
    a shot of The Dummy loaded with my road bike
    a shot of The Dummy from last night, as i was leaving Trader Joe's here in Monterey.
    i noticed 2 surlys
    a 54cm LHT, and a CC

    2 girls on tour form SF to San Diego
    meanwhile my buddy Mati had rolled up, just finished a lab session, as he's in the Nursing Program at the local JC. of which i should seriously consider.

    so thats basically it

    bikes
    bikes
    bikes...

    off to Davis in the am

    HOT
    HOT
    HOT

    and a pic of my buddy's garage.... bikes, a dummy and an Elise
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    Devo,

    We love the "punishment", keep up the great posts!
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    Wow Devo, the Davis Double, that'll be hot won't it? I think it would be awesome if you did that on the BD hooked up to a boombox blasting tunes for everyone. You could ride with a cooler also. Something tell me you could do it and be far from the last finisher.

    I did a 400k brevet this past weekend and it was a totally psychedelic experience at the end. I was worked. One more brevet left--a 600k with 21,000ft of climbing. I'm definitely headed for the pain cave on that one.

    But almost more exciting is that my next cycling adventure will be a 5 to 7 day tour in Washington state on my Cross Check. I've purchased Surly racks front and rear. I'll also be swapping out the current townie bar for a flat bar. Pictures to follow.

    Continue to keep us updated on your exploits Devo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll
    Wow Devo, the Davis Double, that'll be hot won't it? I think it would be awesome if you did that on the BD hooked up to a boombox blasting tunes for everyone. You could ride with a cooler also. Something tell me you could do it and be far from the last finisher.

    I did a 400k brevet this past weekend and it was a totally psychedelic experience at the end. I was worked. One more brevet left--a 600k with 21,000ft of climbing. I'm definitely headed for the pain cave on that one.

    But almost more exciting is that my next cycling adventure will be a 5 to 7 day tour in Washington state on my Cross Check. I've purchased Surly racks front and rear. I'll also be swapping out the current townie bar for a flat bar. Pictures to follow.

    Continue to keep us updated on your exploits Devo.
    yup
    HOT
    HOT
    HOT

    at the moment here in Monterey at 745am, its nice and foggy

    brevets: i've often thought of par-taking in the world of Randos
    21k of climbing... holy smack... thats my worst form... that is big long climbs, all i seem to do these days is want to settle in. some of the skinnies i ride with, obviously they love to put me into trouble on climbs. at 175lbs i have a hard time with tempo on any decent incline, typically i bog down, then they accelerate, which i simply cannot counter.

    375 miles and 21k of climbing? I'd say that is probably about like Monterey to LA.

    days of touring? that sounds a lot nicer...
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    Davis Double

    HOT
    HOT
    HOT

    ya... HOT!

    my buddy SAG'd out around +100 miles, succumbed to the heat
    leaving me and another buddy to finish up.

    our start time was 515am
    the early morning was nice
    once the sun popped up, on came the heat.

    big long pace lines, rolling at speed, i was happy to be up front of the train, helping steer things along.

    however, my buddy's, buddy.... not comfortable with group skills, he'd slowly roll back.
    while I'd keep close to the front...

    blah blah blah

    Davis Double done!
    the heat was off the hook

    with SOC done, my dad's passing away, now behind me
    those 2 events had put me with at least 6 weeks of little to no training.
    which is really another way of saying that I hadn't put in any decent miles.

    save for:
    a ride from LA to Malibu, then to Ventura with The Dummy
    a ride from Saticoy (Ventura), up and around the back side of Lake Casitas, Ojai, and back.
    then a +70 mile road ride the the weekend prior to Davis, out in an area known as Panoche. a VCM Racing Team training ride, in the heat, that had left me EXHAUSTED!

    Cliff and I finished Davis at around 10pm.

    a 17hr double!
    the longest double of my life!

    and not too far from some very typical days on The Dummy making long jumps with a big load.

    The Rivendell Reader was floating around
    and sure enough an article on The Dummy
    a quick read...
    ok... ya.... the crew at Rivendell using a Dummy, cool.

    Davis is a bike town
    its a college town
    college kids everywhere on bikes

    Davis Amtrak Station
    Sunday, the day after the double
    i laid 1/2 asleep on the benches in 95F heat, in the shade
    once the train arrived, pull the curtain, and crash out 1/2 asleep to San Jose
    the bus ride from SJ to Salinas, was packed.

    putting a nice road bike under the bus, had me a bit concerned
    until, i told myself, "its a 5 year old road bike, and its a BIKE... don't fret."
    so i chilled out.

    arriving in Salinas, the bike was fine.
    the ride from Salinas to Del Rey Oaks, was sort of uncomfortable, as i had a way too huge of a load in my Chrome Kremlin messenger bag.

    today, i feel good.
    rest day

    chores, etc...

    Hemet Double Century is probably going to be my next double.
    which is about 5 months away!
    huge time!
    that will be the 3rd for the year, qualifying me for The California Triple Crown

    not that I'm so much aimed at external validation, or "achieving a goal", as much as, its the first time that I've had the time off of work to allow such a thing.

    its one of those things, where, once i go back to work, i can envision myself regretting not doing these rides. in a micro sense, they are as if mini-vacations.

    vacations, with buddies, from my current sabbatical
    a vacation from a 2yr vacation?
    give me a break huh?
    well... that seems to be the gist lately.

    plus to drop a few races in there with VCM Racing.

    today i received notice from the King City Ranger station, that Indians Rd is now open.
    i've got a craving to try The Hunter out with those CDW bags, and spend a few days up top of Big Sur, in the back section of The Ventana Wilderness and Ft. Hunter Liggett.

    so i've got "ants in my pants"
    i've got a bike i need to finish up this week. the sooner the better.
    then i think its "down range" for me.

    lately I'm feeling that i've got a little too much of this Townie Lifestyle going on.

    too much of big screen TV's
    too much of big giant dogs
    a little too much rum
    too much of trains, and cars
    too much of "Sport", and all its glamor and trappings
    all the while
    what i really crave is to simply be outside somewhere
    where maybe in the middle of the night the only man made sounds would be from a jet high overhead...
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    A friend moved from centraly NY to Davis, naturally took up biking. I hear it's flat flat flat as well as hot hot hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg
    A friend moved from centraly NY to Davis, naturally took up biking. I hear it's flat flat flat as well as hot hot hot.
    It was really hot during the weekend! Who can't get the old thread up?
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    I can't access the old thread. Bummer. Devo just needs to start a regular blog.

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    I'm locked out of the other one too; home/firefox and work/ie both

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll
    I can't access the old thread. Bummer. Devo just needs to start a regular blog.
    i need to use my website better!
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    I can get there using Chrome. Here's the addy: Devo & The Dummy
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigred67
    I can get there using Chrome. Here's the addy: Devo & The Dummy
    I thought I wasn't able to get there with IE. For all apperance, the website had stopped loading. Then I noticed IE's phising filter was still scanning the page. Perhaps try disabling that or just waiting longer. The threads are long so it can take some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JunkShip
    I thought I wasn't able to get there with IE. For all apperance, the website had stopped loading. Then I noticed IE's phising filter was still scanning the page. Perhaps try disabling that or just waiting longer. The threads are long so it can take some time.
    Yes it take forever to load!
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    strange
    i use a Mac, Safari, etc...
    comcast DSL
    and/or just a neighbor's WiFi

    pretty fast
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    strange
    i use a Mac, Safari, etc...
    comcast DSL
    and/or just a neighbor's WiFi

    pretty fast
    The old one was just really photo heavy. NTTIABT
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    Alright - Devo & Th Dummy - Book II. I was wondering when the next chapter would begin.
    I just rode my first century this past Sunday in Santa Fe - hard to imagine doing a double. It was funny to see how serious some people took the race/ride. My buddy & I are already thinking about next year but ride it on my (sometime in the near future) BD w/ portable tunes cranking & a cooler of Dale's Pale Ale. Just to keep things in proper prospective & festive.

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    The Dummy is sitting, at the moment...
    as luck has it...

    or rather
    for me it seems that my life has these moments of ebb and flow
    sometimes, I have a million things going on at once, then suddenly, everything is calm

    sometime ago, a buddy let me fly along with him in his plane.
    he's a commercial pilot
    and had flown A-10's when he was in the military
    so we have something in common, other than bicycles, that being, some sort of military mindset

    anyways... I've been interested in aircraft for a long time.
    so Bill took me for a flight
    one of the things he had said to me, was "if you are doing nothing, there is something wrong"
    in that, while flying, there is always something to be going over, double checking things, looking around, reporting observations, etc...
    you should always be doing something, you don't want your mind to lull away...

    in a way, i've taken that sentiment into my Lifestyle
    that is so say, "you should always be doing something."
    not necessarily "on the go"

    like today, I've decided to just relax, i spent the day reading, sitting outside with the neighbors in the sun, light chit chat, light yoga, a nap...

    yesterday I spent a considerable amount of time on the computer setting up logistics
    this time for The Eastern Sierra Double
    this time, I think I may attempt it on The Hunter 29er with Vulpine 2.1's

    i have a hard time changing my road bike
    it has a nice integrated bar and stem, a deda alanera
    standard gears, and a 23/11t cogset
    in the day the 23t was a bailout gear
    however, these days, climbing is my bane, at times akin to riding a single speed
    in that my strategy often is to run as much momentum into a hill and power up it as much as i can.

    blah blah blah

    on and on about road bike form
    what i really need to do is change the setup, and use a 100mm stem, with about 6deg of rise, and use a 25t cog, if i really was desperate, change the 39t chainring to a 38t

    why i sold off my compact crankset? i have no idea. obviously bcz i never thought i'd be thinking of actually using it... duh...

    with The Solvang Double done
    with Davis Double done
    both doubles, my buddy not comfortable with the pace
    me thinking, that maybe i should take this opportunity to try out 200 miles on a MTB
    and the 29er a perfect setup?

    this weekend, the local club, i think we have a 100 miler scheduled, so I'm going to feel that out.
    if things roll along comfortably, i think Eastern Sierra will be on The Hunter.

    really its just a matter of being able to do the hours
    and
    metering the nutrition
    time and resource management
    energy management
    momentum management
    where to make your investments.

    very little of this actually has anything, specifically to do with The Dummy
    really, things are very relaxed for me... at the moment.
    when my Life is fully of Dumb excursions, I know I'm busy.

    I'm glad to be off that road bike.
    its not that I'm not comfortable on it
    its more like, I simply do not prefer the nervous high strung nature of being on a road bike.
    i get tired of constantly picking a line, dodging small road debris, like shale pebbles on hot asphalt, bunny hopping over cracked sections of road, etc...
    i like being able to roll over things, and not worry.

    yesterday i rode the hunter for 3hrs, felt perfectly fine, in fact, made some decent attacks at speed, a big long pull, etc...

    i bit the bullet and ordered a new set of Sidi Dragon II Carbon SRS!
    awhile ago, i bought some new Ergo's with carbon soles, wow! those are swank road shoes

    the Dragons i'm using now, i'm on about the 4th set of soles. the msrp is about $70, which, in my opinion is outrageous. I end up begging/pleading/bartering some kind of work-off the tab kind of deal.

    i suppose with the new shoes it will be much the same.

    long rant about nothing in particular
    other than i'm on a kick about doing Doubles.

    in that light
    IF i can do Eastern Sierra on The Hunter
    i may aim at Grand Tour
    then the Fall Solvang Double

    that would give me 5 doubles for this year.

    plus VCM Racing is giving me "the vibe" to actually....uhhh.... RACE!

    and then there is my counter-culture Devo, tuggin my heart strings to tour, and/or simply get away and camp.

    for now... being that Eastern Sierra is in 2 weeks, I'm satiated.

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    Either that or...

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    i need to use my website better!
    .... you can point the URL to a prefab blog page, like blogspot or wordpress.

    Drunkcyclist did it, and I did mine (then generally forgot about it) and it works great. The formatting is taken care of, you can do your own look and feel, or use prefab ones. The site has spell checkers, pic embedding, and draft saving and all sorts of handy tools. I used to hand code mine, and it was always a big mess because let's face it, I'm an html hack. I have no idea what I am doing when it comes to code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    .... you can point the URL to a prefab blog page, like blogspot or wordpress.

    Drunkcyclist did it, and I did mine (then generally forgot about it) and it works great. The formatting is taken care of, you can do your own look and feel, or use prefab ones. The site has spell checkers, pic embedding, and draft saving and all sorts of handy tools. I used to hand code mine, and it was always a big mess because let's face it, I'm an html hack. I have no idea what I am doing when it comes to code.
    I should devote time to the project.
    i have an iMac, and a MacBook
    space at apple and space at GoDaddy
    i've used Sandvox
    and of course iWeb
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    Cool Devo, glad to hear you are motivated!! Reading your "dribble" helps me become motivated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy B
    Cool Devo, glad to hear you are motivated!! Reading your "dribble" helps me become motivated...
    sunday we did 122 miles and a bit over 5100ft of climbing
    in about 8hrs, on The Hunter 29er

    reading the Planet Ultra website, Eastern Sierra has an 18hr limit, and about 10k of total climbing.

    i know i could do it on The Hunter, but maybe not in the 18hr time limit.

    i've opted back to the road bike.

    Monday comes around and we are out on a recovery ride about 3hrs of spinning
    and one of my friends starts up with this talk about "being in shape"

    my retort on "bicycles as Sport" goes along these lines.

    sport is just that... its sport... its entertainment
    all the training that goes into sport is really just that... training
    but for what?
    for most, its for a Sporting Event
    in the Recreational Sporting Event scope of Lifestyle

    the Reality is
    training can ultimately be for Reality

    that being
    there is no need for "motivation"

    indigenous peoples knew nothing of "exercise"
    they simply did the things they do Naturally

    that is to say
    in another pathetic analogy
    you know those Border Collies?
    how crazy happy they are?
    how they are the Champions of those crazy dog games, where they run in relay, etc...

    its not that they "train to be Champions"
    rather than they are simply "happiest at that which they do"
    the "Champion" is a by product

    in the Military i was trained
    the method was to use negative reinforcement
    i went for years with this Mind
    to discipline myself, stay motivated, and aim for a goal

    then the reality hit me one day as i watched a Border Collie fetching a tennis ball.

    that dog is good at it because they love fetching a tennis ball.

    so i worked on reprogramming my mind.
    that is.... I simply love being on my bike

    in fact
    at this point
    100% hands down, it is THE most fundamental aspect of my life

    at this point
    The Bicycle, the way i live my life, is 100% Bicycle-Centric
    not as a "hobby"
    but as a Lifestyle
    the simplicity of it
    the lack of confusion
    that is... i have extremely few things in my life to distract from "my Bicycle Practice"

    in fact
    pedaling is The Primary thing in my life
    everything else is secondary

    honestly

    pedaling a bicycle is The Core of my mindset

    how does the saying go?
    when you find your seat, Zen becomes Zen (?)

    its not often
    but every once in awhile, a new cycling buddy comes along
    and i tell them
    "to know me, is to know me on The Bike"
    in those moments, when we pedal together
    that is sacred... in my book at least
    the way people work together on bikes...
    to me...
    says just about everything

    the dynamics that unfold, pretty much sums things up

    for me... the way a person lives their life via the bicycle... it pretty much gives me a snap shot of whom they are. as if, that is their cover letter or resume
    not that i'm about to be assessing people, passing judgement, etc...

    I just happen to be in a spot in my life
    where the culmination of all my actions
    has brought to a pinnacle
    my Bicycle Practice

    and that
    out of everything
    is my greatest wealth

    by luck
    or perhaps, the residue of design
    The Bicycle has given me the medium to discover simplicity, peace of mind, and self sufficiency.

    it has actually shown me things like...
    "whatever i have, if i cant haul it on The Dummy, obviously its too much"

    i mean to say
    I dont have a cupboard with 20 coffee mugs.
    i use 1 mug

    i don't have clutter
    i have simplicity
    which gives me the time to do NOTHING
    or
    to GO RIDE
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    its not that a person should develop discipline to train
    rather than to nurture the love of riding a bicycle.

    don't be strict and discipline
    love to ride your bike

    wow... thats pretty dam hippy dippy.....

    lates...d
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    Good points.

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    sunday we did 122 miles and a bit over 5100ft of climbing
    in about 8hrs, on The Hunter 29er

    reading the Planet Ultra website, Eastern Sierra has an 18hr limit, and about 10k of total climbing.

    i know i could do it on The Hunter, but maybe not in the 18hr time limit.

    i've opted back to the road bike.

    Monday comes around and we are out on a recovery ride about 3hrs of spinning
    and one of my friends starts up with this talk about "being in shape"

    my retort on "bicycles as Sport" goes along these lines.

    sport is just that... its sport... its entertainment
    all the training that goes into sport is really just that... training
    but for what?
    for most, its for a Sporting Event
    in the Recreational Sporting Event scope of Lifestyle

    the Reality is
    training can ultimately be for Reality

    that being
    there is no need for "motivation"

    indigenous peoples knew nothing of "exercise"
    they simply did the things they do Naturally

    that is to say
    in another pathetic analogy
    you know those Border Collies?
    how crazy happy they are?
    how they are the Champions of those crazy dog games, where they run in relay, etc...

    its not that they "train to be Champions"
    rather than they are simply "happiest at that which they do"
    the "Champion" is a by product

    in the Military i was trained
    the method was to use negative reinforcement
    i went for years with this Mind
    to discipline myself, stay motivated, and aim for a goal

    then the reality hit me one day as i watched a Border Collie fetching a tennis ball.

    that dog is good at it because they love fetching a tennis ball.

    so i worked on reprogramming my mind.
    that is.... I simply love being on my bike

    in fact
    at this point
    100% hands down, it is THE most fundamental aspect of my life

    at this point
    The Bicycle, the way i live my life, is 100% Bicycle-Centric
    not as a "hobby"
    but as a Lifestyle
    the simplicity of it
    the lack of confusion
    that is... i have extremely few things in my life to distract from "my Bicycle Practice"

    in fact
    pedaling is The Primary thing in my life
    everything else is secondary

    honestly

    pedaling a bicycle is The Core of my mindset

    how does the saying go?
    when you find your seat, Zen becomes Zen (?)

    its not often
    but every once in awhile, a new cycling buddy comes along
    and i tell them
    "to know me, is to know me on The Bike"
    in those moments, when we pedal together
    that is sacred... in my book at least
    the way people work together on bikes...
    to me...
    says just about everything

    the dynamics that unfold, pretty much sums things up

    for me... the way a person lives their life via the bicycle... it pretty much gives me a snap shot of whom they are. as if, that is their cover letter or resume
    not that i'm about to be assessing people, passing judgement, etc...

    I just happen to be in a spot in my life
    where the culmination of all my actions
    has brought to a pinnacle
    my Bicycle Practice

    and that
    out of everything
    is my greatest wealth

    by luck
    or perhaps, the residue of design
    The Bicycle has given me the medium to discover simplicity, peace of mind, and self sufficiency.

    it has actually shown me things like...
    "whatever i have, if i cant haul it on The Dummy, obviously its too much"

    i mean to say
    I dont have a cupboard with 20 coffee mugs.
    i use 1 mug

    i don't have clutter
    i have simplicity
    which gives me the time to do NOTHING
    or
    to GO RIDE
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    totally obscure rant

    its not that a person should develop discipline to train
    rather than to nurture the love of riding a bicycle.

    don't be strict and discipline
    love to ride your bike

    wow... thats pretty dam hippy dippy.....

    lates...d
    I keep thinking back to when we were like cavemen and hunter-gatherers. If we wanted something to eat, we had find a twig to bust out the stone tool and whittle the twig down to a point, stalk and skewer our dinner, cook it, and enjoy. To do the same thing today, I have to go to work, fix a few things, fabricate a few things (things other people made, mind you) install them fix them whatever, wait for the check to show up in the bank, get money from the ATM, give it to the lunch truck and enjoy.

    Now let me ask this question. Was it easier to do A or B? How much of the Earth's recourses were used in the process?

    I think of what happens when the proverbial bomb drops and all this 'civilization' goes away. How would I cope? How would others cope?

    I see around me all the time, folks trying to make every little thing in their lives easier, when in fact they are making things harder, not to mention missing out on much of the process of living. I'm guilty of this myself, but I'm trying to be more aware of it, not just live on autopilot.

    I'm not even sure I remember how to skewer my own food and eat it anymore. Somebody showed me how to clean fish what I was younger, but that was like 30 years ago. If the bomb hits, I'll probably have to become a vegetarian.

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    Now let me ask this question. Was it easier to do A or B? How much of the Earth's recourses were used in the process?
    Well, there is the whole die by age 30 w/ the skeleton of a broken-down rodeo rider thing, but yeah much lower carbon footprint for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I keep thinking back to when we were like cavemen and hunter-gatherers. If we wanted something to eat, we had find a twig to bust out the stone tool and whittle the twig down to a point, stalk and skewer our dinner, cook it, and enjoy. To do the same thing today, I have to go to work, fix a few things, fabricate a few things (things other people made, mind you) install them fix them whatever, wait for the check to show up in the bank, get money from the ATM, give it to the lunch truck and enjoy.

    Now let me ask this question. Was it easier to do A or B? How much of the Earth's recourses were used in the process?

    I think of what happens when the proverbial bomb drops and all this 'civilization' goes away. How would I cope? How would others cope?

    I see around me all the time, folks trying to make every little thing in their lives easier, when in fact they are making things harder, not to mention missing out on much of the process of living. I'm guilty of this myself, but I'm trying to be more aware of it, not just live on autopilot.

    I'm not even sure I remember how to skewer my own food and eat it anymore. Somebody showed me how to clean fish what I was younger, but that was like 30 years ago. If the bomb hits, I'll probably have to become a vegetarian.
    as usual, I've been on a kick
    yesterday i had just finished a book, "The American Indian Wars"

    at the moment, I've been in this rhythm
    a training rhythm i suppose
    that being, wednesdays are typically my do nothing day
    which has turned out to be my day of sitting around and reading

    this "thing" that has occurred
    i mean to refer to what we commonly know as Modern America
    is surely less than 300 years old

    it was not very long ago, when there were no interstates
    now days the buzz word is "sustainable"

    its kind of like my rant about what is Natural
    there was no such thing as "exercise"
    the movements, The Way of Life was natural

    what we do now
    i really do not think is Natural
    my feeling is that The Thinking Ape as gone ary
    either that or sheer genius, in method to enslave the populace without discrimination, en mass

    however
    every once in awhile
    amidst our follies
    we come up with something decent

    The Bicycle
    i feel is a pretty good stopgap measure
    however, most people do not feel that we are in dire circumstance

    just today as i was out on The Dummy, running errands
    the cars zoom by
    i think to myself, "why do i have to be subjected to car exhaust"
    oh bcz its a Democracy, majority votes to drives cars

    outside Trader Joes
    a girl from the ACLU collecting signatures.... for something.

    i mean... heck.... i don't want to breath that junk
    put a hose in the tail pipe and back into a window already...
    (thats a bit too crass)

    so cars zoom by
    they try to race in the parking lot
    i lock the bike at the bike rack
    walk right into TJ's and grab, coffee, 1/2 & 1/2, and some "baked cheese crunchies"
    all in a pre-meditated route
    while the car drivers have just barely made it into the store, and for the most part, bump around getting caught up in the nuances of small items.

    ok... i get it.
    i don't "shop"
    i'm not the go look around inside a store, kind of guy

    i'd rather marvel over a murder of crows flying circles in a thermal over head, than the latest sales, or tabloid

    there ain't no way we are ever going to get away from "this townie lifestyle"
    we are infirmed to this Utopia

    i sit here with MacBook and Baked Cheese Crunchies from TJ's
    when 300 years ago, the Ohlone could have just as easily been eating roasted grasshoppers, and talking about when Coyote and Raven made the world.
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    you know those Border Collies?
    how crazy happy they are?
    how they are the Champions of those crazy dog games, where they run in relay, etc...

    its not that they "train to be Champions"
    rather than they are simply "happiest at that which they do"
    the "Champion" is a by product
    This to me is a great analogy. I try to express this idea to my sister every time she bags on her daughter about finding a 'meaningful' degree to pursue in college. I try to explain that the most meaningful degree is one that is in line with her interests and desires moreso then one that generates a good income.

    Also, and I think you were expressing this, how people are slaves. Slaves to the media, to their car, to their possessions, to their jobs.... if your book queue is empty, there is an interesting read from some time ago: Amusing Ourselves to Death. It is slanted towards media, but still an insightful look at our culture. Funny that I read this back in 1988, and it seems even more relevant today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo

    i sit here with MacBook and Baked Cheese Crunchies from TJ's
    when 300 years ago, the Ohlone could have just as easily been eating roasted grasshoppers, and talking about when Coyote and Raven made the world.
    Now I have to try the baked cheese chrunchies tomarrow when I go to TJ's. Have you tried the Simpler Times Lager yet? Good stuff and only 2.99 a six pack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunkShip
    This to me is a great analogy. I try to express this idea to my sister every time she bags on her daughter about finding a 'meaningful' degree to pursue in college. I try to explain that the most meaningful degree is one that is in line with her interests and desires moreso then one that generates a good income.

    Also, and I think you were expressing this, how people are slaves. Slaves to the media, to their car, to their possessions, to their jobs.... if your book queue is empty, there is an interesting read from some time ago: Amusing Ourselves to Death. It is slanted towards media, but still an insightful look at our culture. Funny that I read this back in 1988, and it seems even more relevant today.
    the basic idea is to Nurture
    it took me a very long time to realize this

    Positive reinforcement
    as compared to
    Negative reinforcement

    i suppose at certain times some discipline may be required
    however..
    in my view
    "to spare the rod, is to spoil the child"
    that kind of ideology is another misgiving

    in that view
    also to coerce a People into contractual obligation
    is another misgiving

    with a bike like The Big Dummy
    that is very much a super strong dose of nurturing
    to the world of "Bicycle Lifestyle" <---- i guess thats an XtraCycle plug
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    Butterfly Criterium

    tomorrow morning I'm racing The Butterfly Criterium in Pacific Grove
    http://www.ghosttreeracing.com/Ghost...Criterium.html
    http://www.montereyherald.com/local/ci_12467285

    Dummied up
    no car as usual
    so its a little jaunt down the road, from here in Del Rey Oaks, over to Pacific Grove

    Big Dummy with my road bike, and some clothing to change into after the race. help out doing some course marshaling.

    I'm stoked about this crit
    Monterey now has a few teams.
    Velo Club Monterey, Racing
    VOS (Value Out Sourcing)
    Monterey Bay Racing Team
    Joselyn's
    a contingency of Velo Bellas
    and the host team... Ghost Tree Racing.

    thats 5 teams right here on The Monterey Peninsula.

    so thats the gig ending this weekend.

    next saturday is The Eastern Sierra Double

    tomorrow's goal is safety, and have a fun race!

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    So I tried the TJ's baked cheesy poofs and those are great. Next I want to try the jalapeño ones.
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    Butterfly Criterium

    i placed 13th today in the Masters 35+ 4/5 race. (out of at least 40)
    much better than the way my race went in Santa Cruz
    today's race, was fast, the group of guys, we were safe, and yet the race was hard.

    as usual
    i used The Dummy, hauled my road bike to the race, along with some clothes, and food for afterwards.

    a solid day of hanging out, helping out, and big fun in general.

    my 2nd race of the year, after about 7 years of no racing.
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    Heh, neet

    I like the xtracycle with the motor on it. I used to be of the mindset of a motor as cheating. Go pedal, you fatass! Then I thought about it. Hey, if that means it is more of a full replacement for a car, then I'm all for it. 200 mpg is way better than 30 (although probably the same NOx and HC output as a 30 mpg car). Shut off the engine, and it becomes 'training weight'. Use the engine to boost you and 50 pounds of groceries up that hill, and shut it off the rest of the time.

    I keep seeing those engine kits on craigslist. I wonder how good they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I like the xtracycle with the motor on it. I used to be of the mindset of a motor as cheating. Go pedal, you fatass! Then I thought about it. Hey, if that means it is more of a full replacement for a car, then I'm all for it. 200 mpg is way better than 30 (although probably the same NOx and HC output as a 30 mpg car). Shut off the engine, and it becomes 'training weight'. Use the engine to boost you and 50 pounds of groceries up that hill, and shut it off the rest of the time.

    I keep seeing those engine kits on craigslist. I wonder how good they are.
    well....
    that is a StokeMonkey!
    it seriously rocks!
    its awesome!

    a Big Dummy with Endo's, LM's, a Rohloff hub and a StokeMonkey...
    that is seriously bling!

    I've ridden that convert job a few times
    the Monkey is pretty darn strong.

    in fact its strong enough that if you bang the gears, it would feel like the chain would break, teeth getting broken off of cogs, etc...

    so the deal with The StokeMonkey is
    that it powers the non-drive side of the cranks
    it uses a tandem crank

    therefore
    the power from The Monkey goes into the cranks
    therefore you have to actually pedal
    albeit you can pedal real softly
    however, it is not a "Motor Driven Cycle"
    in that the rider has to actually pedal
    therefor The Monkey is an "assist"
    which is really the only true electric assist for bicycles

    i believe its Todd Farhmer (sp?) that owns Clever Chip and Clever Cycles

    the XtraCycle/StokeMonkey rig in the back ground belongs to a buddy, Spencer
    he's had ZERO
    i say again

    ZERO
    ZERO
    ZERO

    issues with his StokeMonkey in about 4yrs.

    he's never even replaced a battery

    now there is a bunch of issues going around with Legislation, in regards to "electric assist bicycles"

    i find this beyond hypocritical
    especially in light of the complete change in california vehicle code that was made to allow
    Segways in public spaces

    in the case of Segways, i think they classify them as something like Personal Mobility Device

    in the past, a person had to be in possession of a handicap license or something like that in order to authorize use of an electric wheelchair.

    another point in Legislation is a purposed 20mph speed limit on electric assist bikes.
    so somehow, the MFG of what ever the bike or kit, is, they have to have some sort of means to limit the speed.

    which i suppose is a legitimate concern.

    i already had visions of an amped up Monkey, with slick Endos, a bleach block in a parking garage, and a new form of ruckus, somewhat akin to "Drifting" but with Hot Rod Electric Long Tail's stripped down of course, a la Big Daddy Garlits style...

    big brother is already trying to keep the lid down on this one
    albeit, my gut reaction is really the Auto Industry does not want people to think that Bicycles in anyway are much better than those box-o-carcinogens that plague our Nation.

    its been sometime since I've updated myself on the status of StokeMonkeys and legislation.

    when i had a job, and when i had cash, i had thought of these things
    but rather, i opted to hold back.

    if Surly made a Dummy shod in LM's
    i would definitely be that much closer to motoring a Dummy

    there are plenty of other type of Electric motors out there.
    lots of hub motors, etc...
    even some crazy YouTube stuff if you care to get all crazy with the DIY crowd, lots of cordless power tools being retrofited, etc...

    heck... even a guy up in Medford with a Pulse Jet motor on what looks like to be an Elecrtra Cruiser...
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    Heh... Seguays

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    well....
    that is a StokeMonkey!
    it seriously rocks!
    its awesome!

    a Big Dummy with Endo's, LM's, a Rohloff hub and a StokeMonkey...
    that is seriously bling!

    I've ridden that convert job a few times
    the Monkey is pretty darn strong.

    in fact its strong enough that if you bang the gears, it would feel like the chain would break, teeth getting broken off of cogs, etc...

    so the deal with The StokeMonkey is
    that it powers the non-drive side of the cranks
    it uses a tandem crank

    therefore
    the power from The Monkey goes into the cranks
    therefore you have to actually pedal
    albeit you can pedal real softly
    however, it is not a "Motor Driven Cycle"
    in that the rider has to actually pedal
    therefor The Monkey is an "assist"
    which is really the only true electric assist for bicycles

    i believe its Todd Farhmer (sp?) that owns Clever Chip and Clever Cycles

    the XtraCycle/StokeMonkey rig in the back ground belongs to a buddy, Spencer
    he's had ZERO
    i say again

    ZERO
    ZERO
    ZERO

    issues with his StokeMonkey in about 4yrs.

    he's never even replaced a battery

    now there is a bunch of issues going around with Legislation, in regards to "electric assist bicycles"

    i find this beyond hypocritical
    especially in light of the complete change in california vehicle code that was made to allow
    Segways in public spaces

    in the case of Segways, i think they classify them as something like Personal Mobility Device

    in the past, a person had to be in possession of a handicap license or something like that in order to authorize use of an electric wheelchair.

    another point in Legislation is a purposed 20mph speed limit on electric assist bikes.
    so somehow, the MFG of what ever the bike or kit, is, they have to have some sort of means to limit the speed.

    which i suppose is a legitimate concern.

    i already had visions of an amped up Monkey, with slick Endos, a bleach block in a parking garage, and a new form of ruckus, somewhat akin to "Drifting" but with Hot Rod Electric Long Tail's stripped down of course, a la Big Daddy Garlits style...

    big brother is already trying to keep the lid down on this one
    albeit, my gut reaction is really the Auto Industry does not want people to think that Bicycles in anyway are much better than those box-o-carcinogens that plague our Nation.

    its been sometime since I've updated myself on the status of StokeMonkeys and legislation.

    when i had a job, and when i had cash, i had thought of these things
    but rather, i opted to hold back.

    if Surly made a Dummy shod in LM's
    i would definitely be that much closer to motoring a Dummy

    there are plenty of other type of Electric motors out there.
    lots of hub motors, etc...
    even some crazy YouTube stuff if you care to get all crazy with the DIY crowd, lots of cordless power tools being retrofited, etc...

    heck... even a guy up in Medford with a Pulse Jet motor on what looks like to be an Elecrtra Cruiser...
    Don't get me started on those. I'm still trying to figure out what a Seguay does that a bicycle doesn't do for 1/10 the price, or even an electric scooter for 1/3 the price.

    I mean, if somebody really likes then, I don't wanna bag on them. I just personally think they are kinda silly, and not very practical. The wheels side by side can lead to kicking the rider off. I read in one demonstration, the demonstrator was trying to show how how safe it was by jumping off while it was running, and the thing full throttle ghost rode itself into a wall. IMO, it totally violates the KISS philosophy. Sure looks cool to some folks, I guess.

    That said, I'd rather see 100 of those on the road than 100 cars.

    It is a good tool for the mobility impaired folks, tho.

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    Cool!

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    a pic from a buddy's facebook page
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    Thank you Surly & XtraCycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    Thank you Surly & XtraCycle
    brought the product to market
    I remember when Kip and his partner came by on the first push riding from town to town making the sales pitch. It was really cool and he is a trip!
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    litigious rights and esthetics are the only commonalities
    between a Dummy and a Convert Job

    The Dummy really is a "complete" frame & fork
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I like the xtracycle with the motor on it. I used to be of the mindset of a motor as cheating. Go pedal, you fatass! Then I thought about it. Hey, if that means it is more of a full replacement for a car, then I'm all for it. 200 mpg is way better than 30 (although probably the same NOx and HC output as a 30 mpg car). Shut off the engine, and it becomes 'training weight'. Use the engine to boost you and 50 pounds of groceries up that hill, and shut it off the rest of the time.

    I keep seeing those engine kits on craigslist. I wonder how good they are.
    That engine is electric, not gas. As Devo said, its called the Stokemonkey. http://cleverchimp.com/products/stokemonkey/

    I think its a great idea, it can help you carry a much larger load over a much longer distance.

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    cross link:

    i just got home today,
    rode The Hunter on The Eastern Sierra Double Century

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    typical me...
    more of the same.

    after The Eastern Sierra Double, i get back
    only to have the lady i rent part of a garage from
    tell me that she doesn't like me working on bikes here.

    well... i guess thats a no brainer
    i don't think she realized she's asked me to move my things.

    not working on bikes is like not wiping my a s s
    i suppose its my buddies coming around
    thats the problem
    she ought to be glad that I'm having teams of guys come around!
    at the moment, its only a few of my buddies
    not the whole team.

    so i'm on a cleaning out kick.
    today I sent this 1999 Cannondale F900 off to LA, for my brother Dylan.
    its a pretty swank bike.
    DT Swiss wheels
    BB5's
    XT groupo
    and an old school Nuke Proof carbon bar!

    i figured I may as well, send it off. no sense on holding onto it. I'm not riding it, and its yet another thing to pay rent to house.

    i picked up my buddy's old Fondriest, and we're trying to sell it off
    need $$$
    http://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/1215324425.html
    some wheels too
    need $$$
    http://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/1215286396.html

    i was stoked to send the Cdale to LA for $32! FedEx ground.

    today was all about taking the Cdale down to the shop, boxing it up, and shipping.

    Dummy Duty!

    on the way home, came across "Dave" on his new LHT complete with Nice Racks!
    very cool!

    sat around today with a friend, and talked about garage spaces, work areas, and possibly starting some kind of non-profit, "bike kitchen/bike church/bike station" <---- whatever you want to call it.

    of course, all ideas. I think the challenge is finding a place.

    there is a place called "Sustainable Pacific Grove"
    being the outgoing bike geek that i am, i happen to know the key people.
    and of course the local XtraCycle riders too, etc...

    its all ideas... but maybe...
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    this and this

    go together

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    so my brother Dylan, in LA
    had mentioned he's been using a set of Hookworms on his Trek Liquid (which i sent him)
    and he offered to send them to me...

    i told him to hang onto them, and put them on the Cdale

    while i was searching here on MTBR i found this:
    Large Marge + Hookworm = Motorcycle!

    which brought me to wondering....

    will LM's fit on a Dummy?

    will LM's and Hookworms already fit on a Dummy?

    Surly?

    anyone
    anyone

    will LM's shod with Hookworms fit on a Dummy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    so my brother Dylan, in LA
    had mentioned he's been using a set of Hookworms on his Trek Liquid (which i sent him)
    and he offered to send them to me...

    i told him to hang onto them, and put them on the Cdale

    while i was searching here on MTBR i found this:
    Large Marge + Hookworm = Motorcycle!

    which brought me to wondering....

    will LM's fit on a Dummy?

    will LM's and Hookworms already fit on a Dummy?

    Surly?

    anyone
    anyone

    will LM's shod with Hookworms fit on a Dummy?
    they fit that 1x1... right?
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    dang...

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    so my brother Dylan, in LA
    had mentioned he's been using a set of Hookworms on his Trek Liquid (which i sent him)
    and he offered to send them to me...

    i told him to hang onto them, and put them on the Cdale

    while i was searching here on MTBR i found this:
    Large Marge + Hookworm = Motorcycle!

    which brought me to wondering....

    will LM's fit on a Dummy?

    will LM's and Hookworms already fit on a Dummy?

    Surly?

    anyone
    anyone

    will LM's shod with Hookworms fit on a Dummy?
    that is pretty badass! Not sure what the advantage is, but it looks pimp daddy.

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    I just came across this yesterday:


    Looks so freaking tough!

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    Ah ha! Found it!



    Warning!

    If you run Maxxis Hookworm 2.5" tyres with Surly Large Marge rims, you'll have to file down the canti brazeons AND deflate the tyre to remove the wheel from the Big Dummy
    Edit: see this guy's photostream on flickr. He works for Xtracycle.
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    here's a link a buddy linked to me on FaceBook
    http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/06...-big-dumb-pug/

    gots to roll
    probable mobile wrench gig via Dummy!
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    well, they're no 2.4" town and countrys but I like them!

    been a bit since I've ridden on hookworms, remember them to be tacky but wear fairly quickly (it's a common trade-off for street tires)
    And their casing was pretty beefy so I'm sure you could get them dummied up.

    I say grab the 2nd handers, try it out, take pics and let us know!
    You never know, tacky tires at low PSI, even with nominal tread, can handle hardpack offroad riding pretty well... be like a fat rendition of a randonneur!
    If steel is real then aluminium is supercallafragiliniun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts
    well, they're no 2.4" town and countrys but I like them!

    been a bit since I've ridden on hookworms, remember them to be tacky but wear fairly quickly (it's a common trade-off for street tires)
    And their casing was pretty beefy so I'm sure you could get them dummied up.

    I say grab the 2nd handers, try it out, take pics and let us know!
    You never know, tacky tires at low PSI, even with nominal tread, can handle hardpack offroad riding pretty well... be like a fat rendition of a randonneur!
    tacky huh?
    the tyre offer would involve shipping from LA to Monterey
    i told Dylan to hold on to them.

    at the moment I have tyres
    and my personal life is wavy as usual.
    whose to say where i will be in a week!
    probably wrenching on something, and riding a bike...
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    so check this out
    my day

    sold off a set of shimano wheels
    $ ca-ching!
    thank you

    then went to check out a grip of high end bike parts
    I've got a potential line on selling this stuff off. its a bunch of work.
    and i do mean a bunch. but not too much for 1 person to handle. its a grip tho!
    things like Ti Campy 10spd cogsets, carbon road bars, a Ti 29er Y-be-beat frame!
    its a ton. i'm kind of leery tho. altho 100% legit. i should probably do it. it would give me stability for a few months, and good solid rapport. that i can totally benefit. in the world of Cycling.

    thats all I'll say about that.

    then i had a wrench gig this after noon, that lasted til about 8pm.

    man... i want to be part of VOS Racing. This is a rocking team. + combo'd with the Vela Bellas

    on that tangent

    I missed my delivery from UPS of a set of Williams System 30x's for my road bike.

    i want a new road bike too. saw some awesome Time stuff today! and a carbon Scott FS rig that was 20lbs. holy smack.

    then tonight i built up this custom Rock Lobster. it was a rebuild, it had cracked along the seat collar, so i put it back together.

    last minute notice.

    + had an invite to ride from Monterey to Santa Cruz, then up to Half Moon Bay
    stay the night
    and return to Monterey on sunday.

    i had thoughts of using The Hunter
    I had thoughts of using the new 30x's on my road bike
    but it was already after 830pm

    the SAG vehicle is loaded, etc...

    not enough notice for me to make it
    but i really should. its a screaming opportunity for me to hang with friends, and feel me out, for a potential add-on. (if i would actually train, watch my diet, etc...)

    somehow I'm drawn in like a moth to the flame
    its so freaking awesome, how All-Pro these guys have become. I mean everything in their lives are drilled. amazing people, amazing houses, amazing dedication, amazing ability to keep things balanced. and to think that we've known each other for about 15yrs.

    simply my old job, had kept me away from the scene.

    The Dummy did its gig
    hauling tools

    i love The Dummy
    its so freaking amazing.

    i tried to get my buddy's German Shepherd to hop on the back.
    he was totally curious, after i had it all loaded up.
    kept climbing on board, and running alongside as i pedaled around in the street.

    crazy dog

    maybe next time.

    we all had way too many laffs....
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    Quote Originally Posted by byknuts
    well, they're no 2.4" town and countrys but I like them!

    been a bit since I've ridden on hookworms, remember them to be tacky but wear fairly quickly (it's a common trade-off for street tires)
    And their casing was pretty beefy so I'm sure you could get them dummied up.

    I say grab the 2nd handers, try it out, take pics and let us know!
    You never know, tacky tires at low PSI, even with nominal tread, can handle hardpack offroad riding pretty well... be like a fat rendition of a randonneur!
    ya i think they'd work well.
    at the moment I don't have the $ to build a set of LM's for my Dummy
    but putting a set of Hookworms on the existing WTB DH wheelset I'm using, I think would work well.

    whose to say.
    maybe Dylan will get tired of them
    and want to send them to me anyways...

    or
    more likely

    i can see myself visiting LA sometime, and mounting them up.

    Dylan's got a cool little gig these days working the weekends at a Mike's Bikes on Pico in LA.

    I have no idea what's going on with my other brother Dallas. Over the years he's been working with Yaniv at Power Plant Choppers on Melrose. lately that gig had been rocky. ever since they had a gig on CMT doing a Geico bike... things got rocky between friends, as things always seem to go.

    back to the Hookworms.
    its a good idea.
    they'd also go well on The Pug.

    and on the tangent of Pug-ness
    and my wavy personal life.
    these days, The Pug just sits.
    its all fresh rebuilt, new BB, brakes, drivetrain, tyres, et al
    and it just sits.

    some days i look at my cash, and i look at The Pug
    and i have to close the garage door, and partake in different thoughts.

    I've sent off my old Cdale
    and I've got that other Fondriest on the chopping block

    what next?
    The Pug? no.
    i just need to get a better garage space
    and need to keep generating income

    The Pug is shod in X.O
    i keep thinking about putting that stuff on The Dummy
    Ultimate Speed Levers and all!
    too swank for a cargo bike?

    uhh.... carbon FSA cranks?
    i can only imagine those "Freaking Soft Aluminum" chainrings on The Dummy.
    and ISIS BB?
    forget it. right?
    whats the point?

    the cheapie $14 UN-?? square taper is fine.

    and the steel chainrings on those $30 Truvativ cranks are awesome

    what do i really want for The Dummy?
    that crazy Rohloff hub.
    its crazy dollars too!

    heck...
    as crazy as this is...
    I haven't even change the drivetrain on The Dummy
    yet

    alto i noticed the derailleur pulleys on the X.O are looking like ninja stars

    and i have a new cogset laying around for it
    plus a X.7 longcage too

    its a sickness....
    it must be

    once upon a time
    my therapist said, "Devian, what you are doing with bicycles is healthy."
    i seriously contested that notion

    i can distinctly remember me riding a set of rollers in the dark
    with KORN blasting
    staring at a red blinking on the wall in front of me

    i think i was a bit wacky then...

    and i wonder how wacky i am now

    i mean

    here i am at 1042pm typing about bike
    at 6am, i was getting ready for my "bike day"
    all day i was "bike-a-holic"

    uhh... obsessed? much?

    uhh.... ya.
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    so here's a pic from:

    http://www.bikecommuters.com/2009/06...-big-dumb-pug/

    & the Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigfo/
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    WHOA!!! WTF!?! Awesome, totally awesome.

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    well...
    not a whole lot new here

    today i did some wrenching
    gee imagine that

    I actually wore down the derailleur pulleys on X.O to where they look like ninja throwing stars.

    so rather than replace the pulleys, i pulled out a semi-used X.7 derailleur and used that.

    took the opportunity to "spritz" the bike up.

    I'm always amazed how much junk accumulates on the spoke nipples. its a peeve of mine.

    that is

    I hate it when a decent set of wheels is compromised simply due to lack of attention to keeping the nipples clean.

    every so often, i scrub away, and dab some oil along the eyelets. either Tenacious Oil
    or T9

    pulled things apart, and doused it with some Frame Saver

    scrubbed it all down
    everything all clean and purdy

    ya, a pretty thorough maintenance today.

    Dylan got the Cdale
    he's riding it
    which is good.

    I'm worried
    things are crazy these days
    he's really got no where to live

    its a huge story

    basically the residence where my siblings, and mom live
    is being rebuilt
    its a duplex
    so everyone has piled into my sister's side

    i guess the reality is that no one is really even supposed to be on the property
    so dylan crashes out in his old room, which has open walls, etc
    he has to leave by 7am
    and can not come back until after the workers are gone, around 5pm

    he gave up his dog, cuz there's no way he can keep him, etc...

    mean while
    all their stuff has been displaced.

    hobo ramblings tugging pretty hard for my brother
    and suddenly the reality that I've been venturing into over the last couple of years
    its hitting him really hard

    suddenly he's strongly seeing the reason why
    the mode of living
    that I've attempted to achieve

    so there he is with that Cdale
    and now wondering of racks and panniers.

    suddenly, The Dummy has come into a whole new light
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    Why does....

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    well...
    not a whole lot new here

    today i did some wrenching
    gee imagine that

    I actually wore down the derailleur pulleys on X.O to where they look like ninja throwing stars.

    so rather than replace the pulleys, i pulled out a semi-used X.7 derailleur and used that.

    took the opportunity to "spritz" the bike up.

    I'm always amazed how much junk accumulates on the spoke nipples. its a peeve of mine.

    that is

    I hate it when a decent set of wheels is compromised simply due to lack of attention to keeping the nipples clean.

    every so often, i scrub away, and dab some oil along the eyelets. either Tenacious Oil
    or T9

    pulled things apart, and doused it with some Frame Saver

    scrubbed it all down
    everything all clean and purdy

    ya, a pretty thorough maintenance today.

    Dylan got the Cdale
    he's riding it
    which is good.

    I'm worried
    things are crazy these days
    he's really got no where to live

    its a huge story

    basically the residence where my siblings, and mom live
    is being rebuilt
    its a duplex
    so everyone has piled into my sister's side

    i guess the reality is that no one is really even supposed to be on the property
    so dylan crashes out in his old room, which has open walls, etc
    he has to leave by 7am
    and can not come back until after the workers are gone, around 5pm

    he gave up his dog, cuz there's no way he can keep him, etc...

    mean while
    all their stuff has been displaced.

    hobo ramblings tugging pretty hard for my brother
    and suddenly the reality that I've been venturing into over the last couple of years
    its hitting him really hard

    suddenly he's strongly seeing the reason why
    the mode of living
    that I've attempted to achieve

    so there he is with that Cdale
    and now wondering of racks and panniers.

    suddenly, The Dummy has come into a whole new light
    ... dirt ruing your wheels? I'm asking cause I never really clean my stuff, and have not had any problems... yet....

    I did have a stupid light Bontrager Racelite 24 spoke 605 gram front wheel that I got used for cheap. It was on my racerboy hardtail. The nipples were pretty dang stuck, but I managed to work them loose.

    Man, I had no business riding that wheel. That said, it stayed true. It was just a noodle to ride, to the point of being pretty scary on techy stuff.

    I love used stuff. I paid $25 for that wheel, rode it for two years, and sold it for $25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    ... dirt ruing your wheels? I'm asking cause I never really clean my stuff, and have not had any problems... yet....

    I did have a stupid light Bontrager Racelite 24 spoke 605 gram front wheel that I got used for cheap. It was on my racerboy hardtail. The nipples were pretty dang stuck, but I managed to work them loose.

    Man, I had no business riding that wheel. That said, it stayed true. It was just a noodle to ride, to the point of being a bit scary on techy stuff.

    I love used stuff. I paid $25 for that wheel, rode it for two years, and sold it for $25.
    i just cringe, when it comes time for me to work on a wheel, to find things all corroded, and the wrench wants to slip, when it all could have been avoided by, simply doing some maintenance. or you know that pesky ticking sound, every once in awhile?

    clean wheels is just a peeve of mine.
    oh wait... i think it just things cleaned as serviced, period, that is a peeve of mine.
    i don't even like my mug sitting around...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    i just cringe, when it comes time for me to work on a wheel, to find things all corroded, and the wrench wants to slip, when it all could have been avoided by, simply doing some maintenance. or you know that pesky ticking sound, every once in awhile?

    clean wheels is just a peeve of mine.
    oh wait... i think it just things cleaned as serviced, period, that is a peeve of mine.
    i don't even like my mug sitting around...
    undoubtedly its The Army in me
    i was the Unit Armorer
    i like to see all the rifles and machine guns, serviced, cleaned up with Break-Free, in the racks, sequential serial #'s, with butt stock #'s following in sequence.

    i like seeing the Howitzers on line in the motor pool.

    I like those kinds of things.

    even if its the OD Green Pug, with a clean chain, black rims and tyres...
    not a day goes by where i fight the urge to stencil a bumper number on The Dummy.

    i even secure it under an OD Green oiled canvas tarp.
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    ran errands
    no big deal there
    i always have to laff when i go to the store, buy things, and tell them i don't want things bagged up, then they look at me, with my helmet on, and ask, "can you carry all this on your bike?"

    ok

    so a mini run to Longs
    they have cans of salmon on sale, 2/$3
    1 can is about 3 dinners for me.
    calrose rice
    broccoli that was 78cents at the produce stand

    sold off more things
    an old digi cam
    a set of 8spd bar end shifters, Ultegra i think

    sold stuff
    bought food
    ran into an old friend & his buddy
    goofed off
    laffs all around
    dumb things all around
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    Hey Hey! Thanks for the shifters. I'm thinking of using them on an old Yokota hybrid that I built in which case I may need those Mungo bars. I dunno. I'll let you know. Mounted the shifters on a crappy set of steel mustache bars and that style does look and feel sweet on this particular build. Have a good one....

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    Vann:

    I'm glad the bar end shifters are working out for you.
    well... you know how to reach me if you're really interested in those Mungo Bars.

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    update:

    today I start moving my things.
    a Big Dummy Marathon of moving.
    as its just me, moving my things, on The Dummy.
    anything I own, has come to be that it fits on The Dummy

    I scored a deal sharing a garage in Pacific Grove
    its less than 1 block from Lover's Point. you can look down the street, and see the ocean. Its right where the Bike Path ends.

    its perfect!

    on a tangent about rides

    Mt. Tam Double is 8/1/09
    then a buddy and I are planning on a Portland to Ventura tour 8/8 to early September
    Knoxville Double is 9/19/09

    the Portland gig, my plan is to use The Hunter, and hop on Amtrak.

    and check this out.
    I just got my Bontrager Road Lite back.
    I had loaned it to a buddy, on "Long Term"
    i think its a 97' model. serial number reads 0009
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    typical Dumb loads
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    today the weather is nice
    the garage space still needs more organizing
    the deal is that its a "garage share"
    a fellow XtraCycler
    I'm really hopeful that this will work out.

    moving my stuff
    by myself
    1 load at a time
    across town
    at least the route is pretty flat
    thats great
    my girlfriend is already giving me grief
    the crazy part is that my Cycling Life is rock solid
    i just ride
    never in my life have i had such a great Bicycling Practice
    i live eat breath the stuff
    but my personal life, is rocky at best
    so i'm choosing to try and ignore it...
    laffs... well see how far that gets me

    i kind of figure that at this point in my life, i may as well surround myself with brethren Velolites

    so I'm pretty tired
    the weather today was great
    it must have been 75F

    strange effort today
    in that the hours melted away
    and its all effort
    organizing things, cramming boxes, lashing them down to the dummy
    ride across town
    unload
    organize how I'm stacking my stuff

    its all really ridiculous, if you ask me.
    its these moments, when i really sit and look at my junk
    its a defining moment, when i decide to load it up and schlep is away.
    its so easy for me to wonder how it would look in the trash
    or at the Thrift Store

    somehow, I've got this romantic notion that I can have everything i ever need, perfectly organized and tucked away, in a fashion easily mobile via Dummy.
    somehow, I've got this picture in my head...
    its as if the way we had these Connex Boxes when i was in The Army
    the entire Howitzer section, had its gear perfectly stowed away, ready for deployment at a moments notice...

    somehow, in my head, it seems that I want a locker of sorts
    i want all those things in perfect order
    on a shadow board, a spot for each tool
    a spot for each piece of equipment
    for each pair of socks

    but its not like that
    not at all
    its boxes of stuff
    in a generalized order
    of which i instantly forget
    and yet, when i open boxes, somehow, i recall what i put in there.

    its madness
    madness i tell you

    i close up boxes
    shut the garage door
    and forget about it all

    then i lament
    i must be insane!
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    You have a computer put #'s on the box use a database to track contents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigred67
    You have a computer put #'s on the box use a database to track contents.
    once upon a time
    when i moved to Ventura
    everything was neatly organized
    and yes... even a data base
    however, as my life has been up in the air for about 2yrs now, things have shifted
    sometimes, i have my iMac up, and sometimes i'm using my laptop
    the data is mixed up, etc...
    its a mess
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    Not as elegant as your Big Dummy, but gets the job done.



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    swank set up
    i keep thinking about an At Work Trailer
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    i've thought about those At Work Trailers for a long time
    i keep having this "pop up house/tent trailer" vision
    but at 42lbs, I keep telling myself that its crazy talk...

    however, with this last move, i kept thinking how great it would be to be able to have a larger payload, and make less trips.

    luckily my route is flat
    and scenic at that
    straight down the bike path
    right thru Cannery Row

    me keeps thinking about Mac and the boys, hauling a pot belly stove... i think it was.

    i think i've made about a dozen runs so far
    plus house sitting
    so i have a loop that i ride
    you know
    pack up, drop off, stop at house, check on things
    repeat...
    until about 10pm every night...

    the other house has got good eats, and coronas!

    i need to bust out the bucket and do my laundry
    take a shower
    have some desert
    crash out
    and do the same tomorrow

    but, i've got an easier day tomorrow.
    i've basically knocked out the moving
    what little stuff i have is easy to move

    today, i hauled 4 tool boxes... and i mean they are full of tools
    plus the truing stand
    and both large panniers upfront loaded with degreaser, rags, stainless steel bowls that i use, polishes, etc...
    oh ya.... that was a pretty damn heavy load.
    at least i had carried the stand prior.

    tonight's last move was much easier
    one of those oak bike stands that wedge between the floor and wall
    some odds and ends, and a pair of 404's
    easy load.

    the length of the bike stand was kind of fun to ride with
    i kept thinking how dangerous it was, as if jousting...
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    I too have considered the At Work trailers.
    I used to have an Xtracycle, but I wasn't crazy about some aspects of it, so I ended up selling off the kit. I considered a Big Dummy, but I don't really have the cash for one.

    I think the trailer would work better for me, cut down on bikes. I keep my bike in my office at work and I have to take the elevator up - Xtracycle/Dummy is too large (I tried, that wasn't fun) to fit in it. No way I would lock it up outside, it would last about 10 minutes.

    So, I think a commuter bike plus the trailer is the answer for me!
    Devo - my plan is to be carless in the next 3 months...wish me luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KavuRider
    I too have considered the At Work trailers.
    I used to have an Xtracycle, but I wasn't crazy about some aspects of it, so I ended up selling off the kit. I considered a Big Dummy, but I don't really have the cash for one.

    I think the trailer would work better for me, cut down on bikes. I keep my bike in my office at work and I have to take the elevator up - Xtracycle/Dummy is too large (I tried, that wasn't fun) to fit in it. No way I would lock it up outside, it would last about 10 minutes.

    So, I think a commuter bike plus the trailer is the answer for me!
    Devo - my plan is to be carless in the next 3 months...wish me luck!
    3 months...
    september
    awesome!
    well... good luck
    i'm sure you've gone round and round in your head over the nuances of what that endeavor entails

    the biggest thing is to try to get all your necessities within 5 miles of where you live.
    that way, on the days you are not particularly motivated, at least things are fairly close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    3 months...
    september
    awesome!
    well... good luck
    i'm sure you've gone round and round in your head over the nuances of what that endeavor entails

    the biggest thing is to try to get all your necessities within 5 miles of where you live.
    that way, on the days you are not particularly motivated, at least things are fairly close.
    Job, medical, groceries, hardware - are all within 5 miles. I've been car free before...I didn't get my license until I was 19, and even then, I had a POS car that eventually died on me and I went back to being car free. Then I got hit by a pickup, got a car and started getting lazy again.

    So I know the drill.
    That trailer is going to be the key I think...being able to take my bike to the shop, or carry groceries, or do stuff like that is the biggest hurdle I think. Then, the motivation, but I like riding my bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by KavuRider
    Job, medical, groceries, hardware - are all within 5 miles. I've been car free before...I didn't get my license until I was 19, and even then, I had a POS car that eventually died on me and I went back to being car free. Then I got hit by a pickup, got a car and started getting lazy again.

    So I know the drill.
    That trailer is going to be the key I think...being able to take my bike to the shop, or carry groceries, or do stuff like that is the biggest hurdle I think. Then, the motivation, but I like riding my bike
    oh ya... of course, now my memory is jarred.
    i recall your Cdale XtraCycle convert

    honestly... i think an At Work Trailer is an awesome solution.
    i keep imagining it laying alongside a house
    like at my grandpa's
    along with all the extension ladders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    oh ya... of course, now my memory is jarred.
    i recall your Cdale XtraCycle convert

    honestly... i think an At Work Trailer is an awesome solution.
    i keep imagining it laying alongside a house
    like at my grandpa's
    along with all the extension ladders.
    Yup. I really liked my Xtracycle! But, as you know, the conversion had some issues, particularly the "wobble" under load.

    I just put my order in for the At Work trailer. I'm stoked! I'll make sure to post some pics when I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KavuRider
    Yup. I really liked my Xtracycle! But, as you know, the conversion had some issues, particularly the "wobble" under load.

    I just put my order in for the At Work trailer. I'm stoked! I'll make sure to post some pics when I get it.
    which model?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    which model?
    After talking to the people at Bikes At Work (super nice ppl btw!) I settled on the 96A - since they are adjustable by removing sections, the 96A can be converted into the 64A or the 32A. I'll probably be using the 64A configuration the most.

    I'm curious to see how it works. Its so nice to be able to pull right up to the entrance of the grocery store and load an entire cart of groceries on your bike. I worry about security, but I think I'm just going to carry an extra lock with me.

    Its going to be a bit before I get it, they are backlogged about 5 weeks right now. I'm in the order queue now though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    once upon a time
    when i moved to Ventura
    everything was neatly organized
    and yes... even a data base
    however, as my life has been up in the air for about 2yrs now, things have shifted
    sometimes, i have my iMac up, and sometimes i'm using my laptop
    the data is mixed up, etc...
    its a mess
    I have to admit that the suggestion was a bit tongue in cheek. I know you well enough to know that it isn't something you would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigred67
    I have to admit that the suggestion was a bit tongue in cheek. I know you well enough to know that it isn't something you would do.
    honestly, things are a bit mixed up
    or maybe, the reality is that the items to my name, are few enough
    that my brain has them cataloged

    i had gone thru a long phase where i needed to have everything neatly organized, in exact spots, as if upon a shadow board in a shop class.

    i know i have a huge crescent wrench.
    its HUGE
    you cant miss it

    the otherside of things is that my items are constantly dwindling away

    i often have these dreams where i don't have the mind to own anything...

    but things are fairly well organized.

    probably much better than most...
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    duhh....
    used The Dummy to take my bikes to my new garage space.
    maintenance day
    discovered.... duhh... i bent the derailleur hanger on The Hunter when i crashed.
    duhh... i thought so.

    uhh... replaced the "H" limiting screw on the fancy X.O rear derailleur. it broke off when i crashed.

    uhhh... when i look at any of the X rear derailleurs i have, the high limiting screw is much more exposed than the low screw.

    uhhh... no wonder SRAM derailleurs have replaceable screws.
    that is... they seem purpose designed to break away, and to be replaced.

    uhhh... how about having a shorter screw?

    if i was real smart, I'd use the Dremel to shorten it, and bevel the end, all nice like...
    rather than have the head of the screw exposed so much...
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    SoCal trip
    again
    Ventura... again
    LA... again

    this time
    with The Hunter
    sans Laptop
    no MacBook

    withdrawls have already started...

    gone for at least a week
    maybe two

    if i freak out
    maybe 3

    SoCal makes me want to run away!
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    Happy 4th Devo

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    Fat tire dummy. All this talk makes me more excited. I shall order some parts tomorrow!

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    here's the link to the last SoCal trip

    used The Hunter

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...=1#post5903255
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    another Dumb Day
    another wrenching gig
    day done

    put up The Hunter
    tore thru my garage
    choice pick of tools, rather than my typical of loading everything
    duhh...
    much easier to pedal with less tools

    tomorrow more wrenching
    this month some guys coming to town, gonna guide them around our locale, bike guide gig

    a grocery run
    running into lots of friends these days, in all sorts of places
    tonight 5 of chatting away in the grocery store
    bikes,
    bikes
    bikes

    a crit in Watsonville this saturday
    one of the guys just finished crewing for RAAM
    Roche Pharmaceutical team
    wrenching, guide, support
    the guys encouraging me to try out for a tour guide job

    the list goes on and on
    I'm digging it
    my life is still topsy turvy
    but the bike is rock solid
    and i dig it
    as long as i get my daily bike fix, i'm good.
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    so whats new in The World of Devo?
    Portland trip!

    of Dummy update, the other day i cut a worn out road tyre in half, then again
    making it two lengths
    then zip tied it to the outside of the WideLoaders, zip tie heads facing down, and a bit inward.

    I've been thinking of punching holes in the tyre sidewall, so that i can lace it to the WideLoaders, kind of like wrapping a steering wheel.

    its a cool mod.

    ok, so whats up with that?
    the tyre makes all nice for passengers to put their shoes on. no skid
    it makes all nice for the laying the bike on the WideLoaders.
    it makes all nice for leaning the bike against the WideLoaders, perhaps against a wall, a corner, a pole, etc...

    its just a non-slip surface
    and it helps to guard against scratching things up.

    personally my stuff takes a beating
    The WideLoaders, take a brunt of abuse.

    onto Portland...

    so whats up with that?

    I'm taking The Hunter via Amtrak
    gonna be in Portland for about a week before my touring buddy arrives.
    then we plan to ride down the coast to Ventura/LA.

    for me its an opportunity to get into a grove in "the light mode", of which I've never done.

    these days, I'm riding strong.
    today with some guys from my road club, Velo Club Monterey (VCM www.VCMonterey.org) I did very close to 70 miles in just under 4hrs on The Hunter with my fav tyres WTB Vulpines

    the typical Saturday morning ride thru Pebble Beach, I'm feeling strong, lots of pulling, etc.

    the other weekend, i did a crit up in Watsonville
    i could have been more aggressive with my driving, but somehow, safety of limb kept me somewhat at bay, altho i did manage to pull twice. once for a whole lap, then again for two laps.

    anyways... same old thing
    ride bikes...

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    Have a good trip Devo!!

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    this is Portland?
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    Dig the cut tires on the wideloaders!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigeonfarmboy
    Dig the cut tires on the wideloaders!
    if I were more industrious, I'd mooch more worn out tyres off of my buddies
    cut out the kevlar bead
    and use it to stitch everything together
    a la steering wheel-cover-esq

    leave existing kevlar bead in place on tyres
    to provide some support, to pull against
    poke holes thru the sidewall, close to the bead
    use cut out kevlar bead, to sew into place, against the intact kevlar bead...
    in a sewing pattern...

    i'll throw that project ontop of the rest of things i have on my mind...

    i suppose the question would be if I'd sew right thru the WideLoaders' canvas supports
    in so many ways, I suppose to have a clean job, you'd have too...

    the other on going idea has been to "shingle" plastic along the edge maybe with some strong adhesive
    Marine Goop would probably do just as well...
    cut up any type of plastic out of the recycle container
    preferably something like milk jugs, or liquid laundry soap containers, and cut them into small pieces, so you can glue them along the edge...
    i think that job is too ghetto, and way too labor intensive

    zip ties and 1 road tyre was enough of a job

    i keep expecting someone to market a snap on product for the wideloaders
    very much akin to a laptop cover
    simply snap into place...
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    Exactly what I was thinking. I think my leather hole punch would work great. Never tried it on rubber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigeonfarmboy
    Exactly what I was thinking. I think my leather hole punch would work great. Never tried it on rubber.
    i've also thought of cutting inner tube in half
    then again in half, lengthwise
    then wrap the WideLoaders, back to front... a la Bar Tape-esq

    but... inner tube deteriorates faster than road tyres...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    i've also thought of cutting inner tube in half
    then again in half, lengthwise
    then wrap the WideLoaders, back to front... a la Bar Tape-esq

    but... inner tube deteriorates faster than road tyres...
    Inner tube is lighter. I would slit them and stitch them up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigred67
    Inner tube is lighter. I would slit them and stitch them up.
    i've played with innertube a bunch, every time i slit one up the middle, and start stitching away, makes me think of snakeskin hat bands...

    inner tube is great for neoprene toe warmers, where they wear out, at the contact of the pedal.
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    Innertubes will roll over the wideloader bars right? Would road tubes be long enough to cover the whole length of the bar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigeonfarmboy
    Innertubes will roll over the wideloader bars right? Would road tubes be long enough to cover the whole length of the bar?
    good idea.... but...
    its difficult enough to roll the small amount to cover the interface between the frame of the BD and VRacks

    i imagine it would be difficult to roll an inner tube over the entire length of a WideLoader.
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    I'll try it next time I'm at the bike shop. Maybe some talcum powder or something to assist sliding them on instead. I think you're right about the tires though. Some leather or just ripcord stitching them together would hold up much longer. Especially since you use the bars as your stand.

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    I'd bet you can use water to get the tube over the length of the tube, then roll just the ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    this is Portland?
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    That is truly bizarre!
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