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    Quote Originally Posted by brdpkns View Post
    I primarily ride a track bike with a very aggressive stance.

    The Cross Check is my cruiser, homie. Not too concerned about having an agro riding position while riding to get beer.

    Also, I'm 80.
    Beer runs, and my beer gut were two motivating reasons for getting my Cross Check!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by namelessontrail View Post
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    I can't believe anyone here would consider using a bike for anything other than its designed purpose. Surly would be ashamed.
    Lol that's not what I was eluding to at all. I just want to see some cross check pictures ripping it through single track and mud not as beater beer bikes.

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    Swap the saddle and drop the bars ~2cm and it's ready.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Lol that's not what I was eluding to at all. I just want to see some cross check pictures ripping it through single track and mud not as beater beer bikes.
    Apologies! I'll be ripping through one-way cobbled country roads in Italy next week; does that count? If not, I have plans for a singlespeed with dirt drops and 2.1 Nano Raptors later this year....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Lol that's not what I was eluding to at all. I just want to see some cross check pictures ripping it through single track and mud not as beater beer bikes.
    have you checked out the 'cross bikes on singletrack' forum? There's a lot of variation on there regarding bar height. seems like some people want it up to give a little closer to an MTB position while others keep the bars pretty low.

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    Awesome thanks for that link!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Are you 80?
    BRAD HOLTZ - 5.38m - YouTube

    Yup, 80 or there abouts. Part of what I like about the Cross Check is how versatile it is. With a bar and stem swap I can have a more agro position in under ten minutes. That doesnt happen often though. Bike time is relax and recover time for me.

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    CC on brevet duty.

    Yesterday was the OR Randonneurs first brevet of the year--(Molalla Foothills 200 2012). My dedicated ranonneuring bike has been making some heinous noises and so I decided to ride my recently reconfigured and gearaficated CC. My randonneur bike is set-up with a front bag and I missed having easy access to food and my camera.

    The route was fantastic with nice quiet roads, some long climbs and one fast long descent. The weather ranged from steady rain for the first 3hrs but the sun made an appearance in the afternoon. I did suffer cramps on the climb up to Silver Falls. I had ridden the first 100k with the fast front group and hadn't been taking in enough food due to the pace. Still, after I got refueled the final 50k went well enough.

    I think if anyone is wondering if the CC is a capable brevet bike the answer is yes. One of the first finishers was riding a very old CC with a 1x8 drivetrain and it didn't slow him down at all.

    Anyway, here's the bike:
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    As pointed out above, there are many bar set ups close to saddle height. just added a steeper stem (and front rack) to my CC, and man it is comfortable! yet to see how it handles on singletrack, but i'm optimistic. i've been seriously considering giving away or selling my road bike, getting a surly open bar for an alternative handlebar setup, and making this my only bike.
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    I'm a handlebar fiend. I really like this one. It's going to stay for a while.



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    Ok, I'm far from a weight weenie, but what kind of compete bike weights are people getting for a typical commuter build? (fenders, at least one rack)

    My current commuter is based off of a late '80s mtb (~42lbs) and admittedly built with more cargo/towing capability than I would set up a CC. Is it unrealistic to consider a build with mid-range parts to come in under 28-29lbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bacoes View Post
    Ok, I'm far from a weight weenie, but what kind of compete bike weights are people getting for a typical commuter build? (fenders, at least one rack)

    My current commuter is based off of a late '80s mtb (~42lbs) and admittedly built with more cargo/towing capability than I would set up a CC. Is it unrealistic to consider a build with mid-range parts to come in under 28-29lbs?
    My stock CC was 22'ish lbs, I have one rack and some Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires, on it and I guesstimate it to be 26'ish lbs.
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    Road ready

    Here it is...
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    23-24 pounds is possible!

    My CC commuter with hammered Velo Orange fenders and Jandd Expedition rack comes in around 23-24 pounds. Rival build, heavy B17 saddle, and light-ish Challenge Parigi-Roubaix tires make it pretty snappy but rugged enough for my dirt/ gravel/ paved commute everyday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by copanewbe View Post
    Here it is...
    What kind of rack is that on the rear?

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    Portland design works rack. Steel and pretty nice, sturdy yet svelte, but barely fits on my 62cm check. Put it on my girlfriends bike and I got an Old Man Mountain Red Rock. Now thats a solid rack.

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    Cross Check pics please-imageuploadedbytapatalk1334018860.226280.jpgCross Check pics please-imageuploadedbytapatalk1334018880.931351.jpg

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    This thread has convinced me to order a cross check frame, thanks everyone. I have a question for you all about your wheels. I'd like to run relatively wider tires on this bike and am wondering about also using a wider rim. Is anyone using a rim wider than the stock Alex rims on their CC? Is it worth the effort? Btw, I use 23mm HED Ardennes with a 23mm conti's on my road bike and really like the feel and handling that provides.
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    I'm using an old sun ringle cyclocross wheelset and I believe the rims are 20mm wide...not sure if that helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by emat View Post
    This thread has convinced me to order a cross check frame, thanks everyone. I have a question for you all about your wheels. I'd like to run relatively wider tires on this bike and am wondering about also using a wider rim. Is anyone using a rim wider than the stock Alex rims on their CC? Is it worth the effort? Btw, I use 23mm HED Ardennes with a 23mm conti's on my road bike and really like the feel and handling that provides.
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    Running 22.5mm, Salsa Delgado Cross rims on the CC. Very happy with these rims. Still need to post photos of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emat View Post
    This thread has convinced me to order a cross check frame, thanks everyone. I have a question for you all about your wheels. I'd like to run relatively wider tires on this bike and am wondering about also using a wider rim. Is anyone using a rim wider than the stock Alex rims on their CC? Is it worth the effort? Btw, I use 23mm HED Ardennes with a 23mm conti's on my road bike and really like the feel and handling that provides.
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    I 2nd the 22.5mm Salsa Delgado Cross rim recommendation. My 36 hole ones have proved bulletproof with 35c touring tyres or 45c fat CX tyres. Iíve raced MTB on my C-C, ridden down stairs and popped wheelies for 3 years, they are still straight.

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    Thanks for the recommendations. The Delgados sound like a winner. I suppose Velocity Dyad's are very similar. I'll see what I can find in my LBS. Have you found a brake that's particularly suited to the Delgados' rim?

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    Just picked up my frame and fork today and am now gathering parts. I'll post pics as soon as it's done - promise. One final question for you guys about bottom brackets. I have a Velo Orange triple crank and a 9 speed cassette 11-34. VO recommends a 116mm BB, but from what I've read this is a little longer than others have used? Any opinions?
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    I would give the 116 a shot if VO recommends it for that crank

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    If anyone is looking for a 54 FS in black let me know.

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    Sorry, it was sold locally about 2 months ago

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    My buddies and I took a 4 day weekend, loaded our bikes and drove up to Wisconsin for some bike camping.




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    Fat tires? Thudbuster? This bike rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusburger View Post
    I 2nd the 22.5mm Salsa Delgado Cross rim recommendation. My 36 hole ones have proved bulletproof with 35c touring tyres or 45c fat CX tyres. Iíve raced MTB on my C-C, ridden down stairs and popped wheelies for 3 years, they are still straight.

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    Original poster?

    Did the original poster ever buy a cross-check? If so, is the photo within this thread?

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    Well my adventure in cross check land had been less than magical.

    If you remember a few pages back I took a chance on a used cc, and a week ago was the first time I was able to get her out on the street. Took all the stickers off (they were dried out and flaking) and did a three stage paint buffing operation....followed by a nice wax.

    She was all shined up and ready for the road, so I attached the burley and set off on an adventure with the family. On the first hill I noticed something wasn't right, seemed like the chain was skipping teeth when I put the power down. Got done with the ride and noticed the crankset was loose too ( it is a goofy bontrager, the po did mention previous problems with it).

    So I loaded her up and took her to the shop ( I don't have a good collection of bike repair tools YET!!) Found out today that I need to replace the: crankset, bottom bracket, chain, rear cassette, and rear der.

    AWESOME!!

    Having a really bad week, and its only Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Well my adventure in cross check land had been less than magical.

    If you remember a few pages back I took a chance on a used cc, and a week ago was the first time I was able to get her out on the street. Took all the stickers off (they were dried out and flaking) and did a three stage paint buffing operation....followed by a nice wax.

    She was all shined up and ready for the road, so I attached the burley and set off on an adventure with the family. On the first hill I noticed something wasn't right, seemed like the chain was skipping teeth when I put the power down. Got done with the ride and noticed the crankset was loose too ( it is a goofy bontrager, the po did mention previous problems with it).

    So I loaded her up and took her to the shop ( I don't have a good collection of bike repair tools YET!!) Found out today that I need to replace the: crankset, bottom bracket, chain, rear cassette, and rear der.

    AWESOME!!

    Having a really bad week, and its only Tuesday.
    Yeah, but after all that is replaced, think of how sweet your setup will be! Also, you could always just go SS if you don't want to mess with the expense of a RD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Well my adventure in cross check land had been less than magical.

    If you remember a few pages back I took a chance on a used cc, and a week ago was the first time I was able to get her out on the street. Took all the stickers off (they were dried out and flaking) and did a three stage paint buffing operation....followed by a nice wax.

    She was all shined up and ready for the road, so I attached the burley and set off on an adventure with the family. On the first hill I noticed something wasn't right, seemed like the chain was skipping teeth when I put the power down. Got done with the ride and noticed the crankset was loose too ( it is a goofy bontrager, the po did mention previous problems with it).

    So I loaded her up and took her to the shop ( I don't have a good collection of bike repair tools YET!!) Found out today that I need to replace the: crankset, bottom bracket, chain, rear cassette, and rear der.

    AWESOME!!

    Having a really bad week, and its only Tuesday.
    Bummer dude. Well, this could happen with any used bike. Your frame is still solid, right? And I read your old post and it looks like you already knew the drivetrain was sketchy before you bought the bike.

    Hey, turn that frown upside down! This is your chance to customize the bike (and justify the expense to your significant other ) If the old chainring was a tripple and you want a double (or vice versa) - do it. You want tight road gearing or wide touring gearing? You get to pick. Put on that fancy rear de you always wanted. Or screw the derailler and run an IGH. Or go SS. Anyway, here's your golden oppurtunity to make the bike your own.

    Do you have any bike co-ops in your area? Probably a lot cheaper to fix there then at the LBS. Most I've been to you do the work yourself, but they have all the tools, and usually some expert advice, on hand. Should have some parts on hand for cheap too, especially fairly common stuff like BBs and chains.

    On the crankset, do you have to replace the whole thing, arms and all? Or just the chainring(s)?

    Anyway, post pics when you're done. I'm sure it'll be a sweet ride.

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    I'm curious what they said was all wrong. Just a worn out bottom bracket and drive train? I'd think a new cassette, chain and bb would get you back on the road. Not sure why the crank arms need to be changed.


    Is it 9 speed stuff? I've got a few things I could sell you quite cheap if you want to save some cash.

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    Just assumption

    Maybe its just a cheaper route to replace the whole crankset rather buy a new BB and chainrings separately
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    The non-drive side crank arm had issues coming loose with the previous owner, and I guess the bottom bracket is no good. I am not too happy with how everything went down, but that is the risk you take when dealing with a "not so honest" seller.

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    My GF's Surly Cross Check commuter bike with Nexus 8 IGH. Her first real bike and she's now a daily bike commuter. Since I work at home she gets out on the bike more than I do!...



    She had never used drop bars and didn't like them at first so I swapped in some Titec H-bars. Now that she's bee riding this bike 18 months she wants to give the drops a shot again.

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    Very nice Vic. All though she does not know it yet, I just finished putting together this CC for my GL. That robin egg blue was my first choice for colour but it would have been a couple month wait. At least black blends in locked up to a public bike rack.



    It's replacing a Specialized Myka rigid hardtail as her workhorse bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyeswho View Post
    I really like the, 'I tell a story' look of this bike. What size are the tires?

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    Ahh!!, that's the key right there, "her choice".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Very nice Vic. All though she does not know it yet, I just finished putting together this CC for my GL. That robin egg blue was my first choice for colour but it would have been a couple month wait. At least black blends in locked up to a public bike rack.

    It's replacing a Specialized Myka rigid hardtail as her workhorse bike.
    Very nice and black has an understated elegance that we shouldn't overlook...plus it goes with all her shoes...

    I just got a Pugsley frame back from the powder coaters for my GF so at some point down the road when you feel inclined you can hit it with a custom colour of her choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    I really like the, 'I tell a story' look of this bike. What size are the tires?
    Thanks. They are 35mm Pasela TGs

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    My size 54 Cross Check commuter. Shown here with 28mm slicks and 50mm Stan's Crow tires (and a ladybug bell). Set up with a comfortable stack above the head tube because it's my commuter, and I have silly long legs. My road bike is more aggressive. This is also the bike that I lend out to less fit friends for rides, and I wanted flexibility in the handle bar height adjustment. I replaced the ladybug with a wooden "bell" which clicks instead of ringing. Looks like it belongs on the bike, but the ladybug is super charming.






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    I like that color combo a lot. The blue, brown and black just works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdpkns View Post
    Hey, that looks like a Team USA jacket from Nike. What sport?

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    perhaps a dumb question, but what are yall using as a cable hanger for rear cantis? the frame doesn't have it built in, i can't quite make it out on the pics. i'm planning a build myself so keen to find out what works best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    perhaps a dumb question, but what are yall using as a cable hanger for rear cantis? the frame doesn't have it built in, i can't quite make it out on the pics. i'm planning a build myself so keen to find out what works best.

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    My frameset came with a tiny cable hanger that works well. You can see it in some of the pictures here.

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    so that came with a new frame set from Surly? if that's the case i'm all good

    did it come with one for the front also?

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    My frame did not come with cable hangers. That oversight has set me back a week in getting it done. I went with a Surly Long rear cable hanger in the back, and a Tektro fork crown cable hanger up front. With any luck I'll be able to post pictures of it all soon.

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    Todays ride...

    A few photos from todays ride on the crosscheck. Coming home I was passing a few of the local mountain bike trails, so I headed down to this spot.

    Every time I take the C.C out it brings a smile or two, today as I passed a few mountain bikers on the way down...

    Only because I could not stop
    Got to love rim brakes and 38mm tyres on a steep slippery down hill run. Still fun though.
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    Very nice!

    Now that I have been taking my cc offroad a little bit more I am thinking about putting my Single Digit 7's that I have sitting in my parts bin on it. WAY more stopping power than the cantis.

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    My CC came with a long hanger than dangles from the seat clamp, that caused some flex in the system... but now I've switched to V brakes, so it's a moot point.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    perhaps a dumb question, but what are yall using as a cable hanger for rear cantis? the frame doesn't have it built in, i can't quite make it out on the pics. i'm planning a build myself so keen to find out what works best.

    cheers
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    Surly Rear Cable Hanger

    My Cross Check came with a Surly rear cable hanger as well. I'm putting it together tomorrow, so I'll let you know how it goes. I have a Paul Component Funky Monkey (front) as my front cable hanger. Might get a rear one as well if the Surly one doesn't work out.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    perhaps a dumb question, but what are yall using as a cable hanger for rear cantis? the frame doesn't have it built in, i can't quite make it out on the pics. i'm planning a build myself so keen to find out what works best.

    cheers
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    was it in the box from a factory frameset?

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    Surly Rear Cable Hanger

    I got my frame online from Wiggle in the UK (I'm in Aust.) so I can only assume that it was a direct factory frameset. Paul Component also have a rear cable hanger that doubles as seat post collar.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    was it in the box from a factory frameset?

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    nice thanks, i'm also in Oz, i tried Wiggle but when i first went looking but they only had large sizes.
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    Surly Cross Check

    Last time I checked they still only had 58ccm & 60cm I think - I saw some Surly Cross Check full builds on Bike Exchange the other day.

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    nice thanks, i'm also in Oz, i tried Wiggle but when i first went looking but they only had large sizes.
    cheers
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    58cm Surly CC - 99% done, looking forward to zipping around Sydney with this little beast.






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    for those running fenders, what size are you running? i'm wanting to run 35mm Sammy Slicks but also will run 23mm road tyres on occasion, should i run 34 or 45mm? i'm looking at sks chromoplastics.

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    Is it here yet, is it here yet?!?!??!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewTO View Post
    Is it here yet, is it here yet?!?!??!

    *looks for Mr. UPS Man*

    2011 60cm Blackhawk Black en route.

    I hear ya! I've got a Troll en route and then i'll have a CC on it's way too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    I hear ya! I've got a Troll en route and then i'll have a CC on it's way too!
    Meh, looks like i'm gettin' the ol' "not tonight, honey" dealio. No biggie. Should be a shoe-in for tomorrow.
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    Go with the 45s. As a general rule, fenders should be about 10mm bigger than your tire. The extra width relative to the 23mm slicks won't hurt anything.

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    for those running fenders, what size are you running? i'm wanting to run 35mm Sammy Slicks but also will run 23mm road tyres on occasion, should i run 34 or 45mm? i'm looking at sks chromoplastics.

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    It showed up tonight! And I must say OH MY! It's ... well the .... one of the ... just WOW man!

    First impression - VERY impressed! Moreso than when I got my Karate Monkey. This thing more than makes up for that frame.

    I originally was going to build it up as a work commuter/do it all 1x8 with a riser bar, Shimano down tube shifter on a Paul Thumbie and Small Block 8 700x35s, but now seeing/feeling it in rough mock up with an Easton drop bar and Kenda Karmas I feel tremendous ss possibility. The fit and feel of the cockpit is something i've never experienced with a road bar before. I'm really beside myself.

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    I just build up this 58cm. initial impressions are positive!

    I just wish they would make them with a little longer head tube...


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    Nice wheels. The head tube on my 58 could be a little longer too. I guess thats the price for standover.

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    Okay, So.. I like have this um.. "friend" who is now convinced he needs TWO Cross Checks.

    "he" isn't crazy is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Tiger View Post
    Okay, So.. I like have this um.. "friend" who is now convinced he needs TWO Cross Checks.

    "he" isn't crazy is he?
    I have a "friend" too who feels this way too. "He" thinks it is totally justifiable as well, given all the possible configs of this bike and all the time that would save switching back and forth. For just the price of the frame you, errr, I mean your friend, would save a lot of time switching components.

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    Hello all,

    newbie here - please excuse the thread hijack, I happened to find this forum (and this particular post) as I'm contemplating a Cross Check (stock) next time our Cyclescheme rolls around in September.

    Currently commuting 14 miles a day in London on a Cannondale Bad Boy, which I very much enjoy but last weekend I tried a steel frame CX-type bike for the first time and must admit that the ride comfort and general feel were a real eye-opener and have got me asking some serious questions.

    Biggest mental hurdles for me at the moment are (1) the bar end shifters (have used rapid fire shifters all my life, even brifters seem odd to me right now!) and (2) moving back over to calliper brakes as I must admit I'm extremely fond of the discs on the bad boy.

    Am very much enjoying looking at the Cross Check pictures and stories in this thread - if anyone has a spare couple of minutes to give me their views particularly on the brakes and shifters I'm all ears. Like I said, I do have another bike which has discs etc and has been great through the winter, but it would be good to be able to use the Surly in most weather conditions short of monsoon/hurricane/blizzard. I'm also hoping to spend more time cycling out in the countryside (lanes/tracks rather than mountains!).

    I have to say that of all the options, a Cross Check is the one that appeals most, I'm just slightly apprehensive that I might then feel compelled to spend an extra £400 on component changes!

    Look forward to chatting with you further!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noisepolluter View Post
    Hello all,

    newbie here - please excuse the thread hijack, I happened to find this forum (and this particular post) as I'm contemplating a Cross Check (stock) next time our Cyclescheme rolls around in September.

    Currently commuting 14 miles a day in London on a Cannondale Bad Boy, which I very much enjoy but last weekend I tried a steel frame CX-type bike for the first time and must admit that the ride comfort and general feel were a real eye-opener and have got me asking some serious questions.

    Biggest mental hurdles for me at the moment are (1) the bar end shifters (have used rapid fire shifters all my life, even brifters seem odd to me right now!) and (2) moving back over to calliper brakes as I must admit I'm extremely fond of the discs on the bad boy.

    Am very much enjoying looking at the Cross Check pictures and stories in this thread - if anyone has a spare couple of minutes to give me their views particularly on the brakes and shifters I'm all ears. Like I said, I do have another bike which has discs etc and has been great through the winter, but it would be good to be able to use the Surly in most weather conditions short of monsoon/hurricane/blizzard. I'm also hoping to spend more time cycling out in the countryside (lanes/tracks rather than mountains!).

    I have to say that of all the options, a Cross Check is the one that appeals most, I'm just slightly apprehensive that I might then feel compelled to spend an extra £400 on component changes!

    Look forward to chatting with you further!

    NP
    At the risk of becoming an accomplice to your hijacking, welcome to the forum. If you do a quick search, you will find loads of discussions on the pros and cons of different kind of shifters and brakes. So rather than go into it too much here, I'll just say that the barcons are really easy to get used to, especially since they are indexed, just like your Rapid Fires. In fact, I dare say they are rapider firing than Rapid Fires because you can go from your biggest cog to the smallest (and vice versa) with one fluid motion whereas Rapid Fires will wear out your finger/thumb to do the same thing. As for cantilever brakes - they're better than detractors say and not as good as the retro grouches think, but they'll stop you just fine. As far as I'm concerned, canti's (or V-brakes) are just part of the vibe of the bike. You can improve the performance of the stock brakes fairly easily and inexpensively. But, on the otherhand, there are lots of great steel CX and 29er frames that have disc brakes, if that's what you really want - especially from great English brands like On One and Singular. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Tiger View Post
    Okay, So.. I like have this um.. "friend" who is now convinced he needs TWO Cross Checks.

    "he" isn't crazy is he?
    (I'll make this a 2-for-1 post ... )

    Anyone who loves the Cross Check that much surely isn't crazy. At least not in my books ...


    Tonight I finally had my first ride on my initial build. Just local neighbourhood streets and front lawns (ssshhhhhh! lol). WOW, again! Another very pleasing first impression - just as the first time I laid eyes on the frame and fork I continue to be impressed with the ride. Handling is something uncharacteristic to me considering the size of the tires. Big tired bikes "shouldn't" turn this quick!

    My primary use on this bike is work commuter. If this set up does as well as I believe it may then this could very easily be my go-to bike for work and play. Perhaps a change of pedals and tires between the two uses will be in order - speculation at this point. I'm sure I will have fun testing it all out.

    I built it up with a mix of purpose-picked and throw-together parts. The wheels don't match, neither do the brakes, and i'm sure i'll be dying for a carbon bar in short order. Initial build is all it is right now. I actually had it built up with a drop bar and cantis but gave my head a shake when I realized I was building this bike for ME, not the UCI rule book. I'm sure this'll all change as I get it dialed in.

    For those that'll wonder - 60cm frame, Kenda Karma 29x1.9s on Alex DA22 front and Alex DA28 rear rims. PLENTY of clearance. (actually had a Kenda SB8 29x2.0 on the rear but clearance is uncomfortably tight - like "fart and it'll rub" tight HAHAHAH!)


    Call me crazy, but as I said before I can easily see this becoming a bike that get's a twin sibling though the year - one geared and one ss. (the dropouts make it soooooo easy, too!)


    What post in a picture thread would be complete without pics ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Tiger View Post
    Okay, So.. I like have this um.. "friend" who is now convinced he needs TWO Cross Checks.

    "he" isn't crazy is he?

    My "friend" probably knows exactly how your "friend" feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Tiger View Post
    Okay, So.. I like have this um.. "friend" who is now convinced he needs TWO Cross Checks.

    "he" isn't crazy is he?
    nope, you're not crazy. I had two before I sold one in for the Troll

    Had one as adisc hauler


    and as a phat tire fixed gear mini-hauler


    but now the disc has taken on being a fixed gear weather bike

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    Great pics. I'm digging the flat bar builds... like a Neo-Retro early 90's rigid MTB.

    I thought I wanted a Disc-Trucker but my enthusiasm for discs is cooling. I don't NEED them as much as I thought I did.

    I've been wanting to build a bike from scratch for I while now, and building a bike I already know I LOVE makes the most sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewto View Post
    (i'll make this a 2-for-1 post ... )

    anyone who loves the cross check that much surely isn't crazy. At least not in my books ...


    Tonight i finally had my first ride on my initial build. Just local neighbourhood streets and front lawns (ssshhhhhh! Lol). Wow, again! Another very pleasing first impression - just as the first time i laid eyes on the frame and fork i continue to be impressed with the ride. Handling is something uncharacteristic to me considering the size of the tires. Big tired bikes "shouldn't" turn this quick!

    my primary use on this bike is work commuter. If this set up does as well as i believe it may then this could very easily be my go-to bike for work and play. Perhaps a change of pedals and tires between the two uses will be in order - speculation at this point. I'm sure i will have fun testing it all out.

    I built it up with a mix of purpose-picked and throw-together parts. The wheels don't match, neither do the brakes, and i'm sure i'll be dying for a carbon bar in short order. Initial build is all it is right now. I actually had it built up with a drop bar and cantis but gave my head a shake when i realized i was building this bike for me, not the uci rule book. I'm sure this'll all change as i get it dialed in.

    For those that'll wonder - 60cm frame, kenda karma 29x1.9s on alex da22 front and alex da28 rear rims. Plenty of clearance. (actually had a kenda sb8 29x2.0 on the rear but clearance is uncomfortably tight - like "fart and it'll rub" tight hahahah!)


    call me crazy, but as i said before i can easily see this becoming a bike that get's a twin sibling though the year - one geared and one ss. :d (the dropouts make it soooooo easy, too!)


    what post in a picture thread would be complete without pics ...
    wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    At the risk of becoming an accomplice to your hijacking, welcome to the forum. If you do a quick search, you will find loads of discussions on the pros and cons of different kind of shifters and brakes. So rather than go into it too much here, I'll just say that the barcons are really easy to get used to, especially since they are indexed, just like your Rapid Fires. In fact, I dare say they are rapider firing than Rapid Fires because you can go from your biggest cog to the smallest (and vice versa) with one fluid motion whereas Rapid Fires will wear out your finger/thumb to do the same thing. As for cantilever brakes - they're better than detractors say and not as good as the retro grouches think, but they'll stop you just fine. As far as I'm concerned, canti's (or V-brakes) are just part of the vibe of the bike. You can improve the performance of the stock brakes fairly easily and inexpensively. But, on the otherhand, there are lots of great steel CX and 29er frames that have disc brakes, if that's what you really want - especially from great English brands like On One and Singular. Cheers.
    Thanks for the advice - I appreciate it. I got a generous test ride today from the good folks at Brixton Cycles and I have to say the ride is fabulously smooth.

    I did quite like the action of the shifters actually - feels very 'direct', the remaining qualm being the placement. Would need to think ahead a little more for shifting.

    I did feel quite high up, surprisingly. I expected a bit more of a low-slung feel. I was on a 58 with extra spacers on the stem, but they'll have a smaller frame for me to try later.

    Brakes were OK - I suspect I'd be looking to upgrade them. Admittedly I've been spoilt with hydraulic discs, and was glad of the latter on the way home through stair-rod rain and heavy traffic - I definitely won't be chopping the current one in under any circumstances.

    Looking forward to having another try on their Cross Checks - I noted they also had Cotics and Genesis in there, and I will also be on the lookout to try On One and Singular if I can track down a central/south London dealer (would definitely be a save-up project for next summer in these cases!)

    Meanwhile it's very interesting food for thought seeing all these different permutations - seems like this is an excellent platform for modifications/upgrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noisepolluter View Post
    seems like this is an excellent platform for modifications/upgrades.
    Bingo! I think that's the magic of the Cross Check. Its not the latest or greatest or bestest at any one thing. Its a really versatile frame that you can make your own in a hundred different ways. Poor man's custom.

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    Nice looking bike.
    What fork are you using? And what size tire can fit in there.
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    +1 on the flat bar CC! And I'm also running mine with a derailer-less double. Works pretty well for me. Pics someday.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewTO View Post
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    Anyone who loves the Cross Check that much surely isn't crazy. At least not in my books ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicyclerust View Post
    Nice looking bike.
    What fork are you using? And what size tire can fit in there.
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    thanks, it's a dimension cyclocross disc fork. The A-C length is close to the original fork to keep the handling about the same. I'm running SKS P50 fenders with a 35mm Pasela TG tire on a Delgado rim, but that's about the largest it can go with fenders. Haven't tried how large without fenders, but I'm guessing around 38-40mm max

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    I'm now becoming worryingly fixated on the idea of a robin's egg blue Cross Check with matching Brooks B17 and leather grip tape (in brown, obviously). mmmmmm...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewTO View Post
    (I'll make this a 2-for-1 post ... )

    Anyone who loves the Cross Check that much surely isn't crazy. At least not in my books ...


    Tonight I finally had my first ride on my initial build. Just local neighbourhood streets and front lawns (ssshhhhhh! lol). WOW, again! Another very pleasing first impression - just as the first time I laid eyes on the frame and fork I continue to be impressed with the ride. Handling is something uncharacteristic to me considering the size of the tires. Big tired bikes "shouldn't" turn this quick!

    My primary use on this bike is work commuter. If this set up does as well as I believe it may then this could very easily be my go-to bike for work and play. Perhaps a change of pedals and tires between the two uses will be in order - speculation at this point. I'm sure I will have fun testing it all out.

    I built it up with a mix of purpose-picked and throw-together parts. The wheels don't match, neither do the brakes, and i'm sure i'll be dying for a carbon bar in short order. Initial build is all it is right now. I actually had it built up with a drop bar and cantis but gave my head a shake when I realized I was building this bike for ME, not the UCI rule book. I'm sure this'll all change as I get it dialed in.

    For those that'll wonder - 60cm frame, Kenda Karma 29x1.9s on Alex DA22 front and Alex DA28 rear rims. PLENTY of clearance. (actually had a Kenda SB8 29x2.0 on the rear but clearance is uncomfortably tight - like "fart and it'll rub" tight HAHAHAH!)


    Call me crazy, but as I said before I can easily see this becoming a bike that get's a twin sibling though the year - one geared and one ss. (the dropouts make it soooooo easy, too!)


    What post in a picture thread would be complete without pics ...
    nice one!

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    i'm so excited to hear all thos positive talk about the cc, i've just recently purchased a frameset and it's arrived in the country already, hopefully tuesday i'll have it, my first packed of parts arrived today(on a saturday!) and the rest "should" be here next week.
    all new parts, all hand picked by me, to be built by me, i'm so excited!

    i've spoiled myself in recent weeks with me just completing my custom Troll only a few days ago and now this! i've gone from no Surly's to 2 in the space of a week!

    My carbon race bike sits lonely in the corner

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    Those small block 8's look impressive on there!

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    This week will mark the beginning of my CC being put through it's paces - commuting to work! Probably gonna run the Crank Brothers Egg Beaters clipless pedals for a ride or two and see how that goes. It'll make short work the the curb-hopping. May or may not swap out the Karmas before then.

    Also of particular interest, despite being a completely useless feature lol - I had to do a u-turn with it on the pathway the other day while I was out riding with the nephew. These are the paved pathways that travel through neighbourhood backyards connecting from park to park, playground to playground. So enter the u-turn - I was able to come to a nearly complete stop, turn the bars 90 degrees, pedals very slowly and get it around within the narrow space of the paved pathway, pivoting around on the rear wheel. NEVER done that on any bike before in my life. It was truly an incredible moment! I was beside myself.

    But yeah, like I said - completely useless feature.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    +1 on the flat bar CC! And I'm also running mine with a derailer-less double. Works pretty well for me. Pics someday.
    So far, with what little riding i've done i'm thinking the flatbar, or maybe a riser, will stay in place. I respect the roadbar set up, but haven't felt the need for it ... yet.

    As for the crank area - only reason it's like "that" (drives me nuts lol) is because i'm out of single chain ring bolts. Go figure, both of my Misfit Psycles diSSents are currently built up ss, as is my Marin Hamilton 29er. Will put in an order for more bolts very soon, I just want to get a few days of commuting in to see if I need/want anything else. I will also fabricate my own chain keeper - something simple and effective. I want to run the middle chain ring only - currently a 36T, Gotta see if that needs to change. I don't need anything bigger for the street, and certainly not for the trail, so the 34T Salsa single ring I have may be employed.

    And oh ****in' hell yeah there'll be singletrack pics with those Kenda Karmas soon enough!
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    Not exactly a flatbar but Surly's Torsion bar
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    Back together again! Can't wait to ride it.
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    wow!
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    Thank you! I had it powder coated over the winter and then after a few rides in spring my shifter finally died. Just finished putting the new drivetrain on it. I think it turned out great for a bike I bought 13 years ago!

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    Oh it was in rough shape last year! I posted the pics in this thread a while back. it's had a rough life but it can take it.



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    I'm impressed
    Makes me wanna get another one and build it as fixie or singlespeed
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    Finally Done

    56cm Frame
    Crankset Velo Orange Triple 170mm, 48-36-24
    Bottom Bracket VO Grand Cru 116mm, English
    Cassette Deore HG 50 11-34, 9 speed
    Front Derailleur Sora triple
    Rear Derailleur Deore long cage
    Chain SRAM PC-991 9 speed
    Brake Levers Cane Creek SCR -5C Compact Aero
    Brakes Paul Touring Cantis
    Shifters Dura Ace 9 speed Down-tube
    Salsa Cowbell 2 Bar 42 cm
    Stem Thompson Elite 90mm, 10 deg rise
    Headset VO Grand Cru 1 1/8" threadless
    Hubs Deore XT
    Wheels Velocity Dyad
    Tires Schwalbe Dureme 700x40c

    For reference, I'm 5'9", 32" inseam. It's borderline, and I may have been better off with a 54cm frame, but I can stand over the top tube comfortably enough.

    ps. I apologize for these photos taking up so much of the page, if I knew how to make them smaller and line up better, I would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emat View Post
    56cm Frame
    Crankset Velo Orange Triple 170mm, 48-36-24
    Bottom Bracket VO Grand Cru 116mm, English
    Cassette Deore HG 50 11-34, 9 speed
    Front Derailleur Sora triple
    Rear Derailleur Deore long cage
    Chain SRAM PC-991 9 speed
    Brake Levers Cane Creek SCR -5C Compact Aero
    Brakes Paul Touring Cantis
    Shifters Dura Ace 9 speed Down-tube
    Salsa Cowbell 2 Bar 42 cm
    Stem Thompson Elite 90mm, 10 deg rise
    Headset VO Grand Cru 1 1/8" threadless
    Hubs Deore XT
    Wheels Velocity Dyad
    Tires Schwalbe Dureme 700x40c

    For reference, I'm 5'9", 32" inseam. It's borderline, and I may have been better off with a 54cm frame, but I can stand over the top tube comfortably enough.
    Very Nice.

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