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    any ideas about new stuff?

    Surly has been teasing us all lately. Anyone have any guesses about what the new stuff they are dangling in front of us behind a curtain are?

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    Coaster brake hub

    personally I'm hoping for a 135 coaster brake hub for my original 1x1 that doesn't have a disc mount, but it's just me hoping. I can always hope, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    personally I'm hoping for a 135 coaster brake hub for my original 1x1 that doesn't have a disc mount, but it's just me hoping. I can always hope, right?
    that would be cool, i'd like one for a beach cruiser fatbike

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    I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they released a disc equipped Cross Check this year. Folks have been clamoring for this for years. We'll see.
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    What if Surly reads these forums? Maybe we should post up what we WANT them to make

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they released a disc equipped Cross Check this year. Folks have been clamoring for this for years. We'll see.
    I hope you are right! Just this past week I have been day dreaming about what my next bike build project could be. I've concluded a winter / sloppy weather / commuting / gravel grinder bike would be fun to have. The Cross Check came to mind but so did disc brakes, which the CC is not currently sporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomasbien View Post
    I hope you are right! Just this past week I have been day dreaming about what my next bike build project could be. I've concluded a winter / sloppy weather / commuting / gravel grinder bike would be fun to have. The Cross Check came to mind but so did disc brakes, which the CC is not currently sporting.
    than just add one works well for me with a dimension cyclo disc fork

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    We should know some stuff by Sunday if there are sneaky folks with cameras!

    Pugsley, Cross Check, Karate Monkey, and Big Dummy are due for new colors, following the 2 year scheme they'd been on. Pugsley is rumored to get "heavy equipment yellow". Any guesses/wishes for the rest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    personally I'm hoping for a 135 coaster brake hub for my original 1x1 that doesn't have a disc mount, but it's just me hoping. I can always hope, right?
    That would be awesome. Every time I see the photos of the "Coaster Brake Challenge" in CA I wish I had one.

    No one makes a serious coaster brake with spring-retracted brake shoes it seems...

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    Something new with the Cross Check

    As was mentioned

    Disc brakes
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    Enough clearance to run a nanoraptor
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    The commuter version, equipped with fenders and rear rack
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    A single speed version with a flip flop hub

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    I'll settle for a black paint job for the Ogre, I'm not buying one until it happens.

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    I bet the Pugs and the Moonlander will get the Ogre/Troll dropouts at some point

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    Krampus. Looks fun. Guess I'm not getting a FS as my next bike haha.

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    I want one!!!

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    w/ 3"+ & 5" options I wonder if the Pug will continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    w/ 3"+ & 5" options I wonder if the Pug will continue.
    Of course...the Pugs is more relevant than the Moonlander - especially with the new Rabbit Hole 50mm rims.
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    I just finished riding a Krampus and I have to say I had an absolute blast. I really didn't want to give it back. It is a totally different bike than a Puglsy. It's fast and wants to be pushed hard, especially in the corners. Honestly, I could see crazies out there saying it could be their only bike. I would happily do a 2-3 hour ride on it. I only noticed the rotational weight on some steep sections but general trail blasting the weight wasn't noticed.

    Will I be getting one? Very likely so but I have a quiver of bikes and it would fit in well. It was just way too much fun.










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    Nice!

    but is it me or does that tire look small for a 29x3" ?

    I hope it's just me cause I already want one

    P

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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    but is it me or does that tire look small for a 29x3" ?

    I hope it's just me cause I already want one

    P
    I've been thinking the same thing. These photos make it look fatter than the others at least. Now I'm going to have to decide between one of these, or a more practical El Mariachi... argh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    but is it me or does that tire look small for a 29x3" ?

    I hope it's just me cause I already want one

    P
    It's definitely 3" or really close to it.

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    Will it fit a Pugs?

    I wonder if that Big Fat 29er Tire will fit a Pugs. It'll be nice to know before I buy the Krampus if I don't have to. I have 3 Pugs sporting LM/Endos as well as 29er wheels but not sure if a 29x3" is too tall or not for the Pug frame. Anyone know???

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    fit a Pugs?

    Just Zach,

    Do you know if that tire will fit a Pugs or if it's too tall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    Just Zach,

    Do you know if that tire will fit a Pugs or if it's too tall?
    No idea. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    I wonder if that Big Fat 29er Tire will fit a Pugs. It'll be nice to know before I buy the Krampus if I don't have to. I have 3 Pugs sporting LM/Endos as well as 29er wheels but not sure if a 29x3" is too tall or not for the Pug frame. Anyone know???
    OD of Rabbit Hole tire is 30.5"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Zach View Post
    I just finished riding a Krampus and I have to say I had an absolute blast. I really didn't want to give it back. It is a totally different bike than a Puglsy. It's fast and wants to be pushed hard, especially in the corners. Honestly, I could see crazies out there saying it could be their only bike. I would happily do a 2-3 hour ride on it. I only noticed the rotational weight on some steep sections but general trail blasting the weight wasn't noticed.

    Will I be getting one? Very likely so but I have a quiver of bikes and it would fit in well. It was just way too much fun.
    What about the geometry? Is the Krampus as manoeuvrable as a Karate Monkey? I suppose it isn't because of it longer chainstays. Or ar there some mysterious tricks to compensate this?

    Which pressure did you ride the 3.0" tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theindividualist View Post
    i'll settle for a black paint job for the ogre, i'm not buying one until it happens.
    +11111111111111111111111111

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    What about the geometry? Is the Krampus as manoeuvrable as a Karate Monkey? I suppose it isn't because of it longer chainstays. Or ar there some mysterious tricks to compensate this?

    Which pressure did you ride the 3.0" tires?
    The geometry felt surprisingly tight and they said the bike I rode was still a prototype and they were hoping to get it even tighter. There will always be compromises but it didn't seem much like one. I don't know the pressure. When I took it out it was way too stiff. I kept lowering the pressure until I ended up probably slightly under 20 psi. I'm 210 lbs and ride fairly aggressively and wherever I ended up felt pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theindividualist View Post
    I'll settle for a black paint job for the Ogre, I'm not buying one until it happens.
    From the Surly Info Hole:

    "Can I get a frame in a different color or with no paint at all?

    No. However, getting a frame painted (or, rather, powder coated) locally after you've purchased it is a route you can take to color choice Nirvana. We sell decal kits for all of our models and they go right over top of the paint when you're done. It will look spectacular. Buy them first and send them with your frame if you're going to have a paint shop clear coat over the decals."

    That seems like your best bet. Having the bike you want, in a color you want, is an easy thing to accomplish. You don't have to "settle" to get the color you're just OK with. Buy one now and paint it any color you like. Problem solved.
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    Besides the Krampus and its accompanying tire, what else is Surly introducing this year?
    All good expeditions should be simple in concept, difficult in their execution and satisfying to remember--Alastair Humphreys

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    I wrote to Surly back at the beginning of June and got confirmation that there will be an update to the Troll with Salsa Anything cage mounts on the fork, water bottle mounts on the underside of the down tube, and likely a new color. ETA is supposed to be September or October.

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    Surly has own threaded rear hubs - but no own freewheel cog for these hubs.

    Surly has a cassette cog for shimano-type freehub bodies - but no own hub with such a freehub body.

    A cheap singlespeed hub with a short shimano-type freehub is still missing

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    if they made a 1.5 head tube on the Krampus I wonder if any of the other models will get this treatment. I wish they would. Then you have any fork option in the universe. Wanting to buy a KM but I may wait to see what happens....

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Train View Post
    if they made a 1.5 head tube on the Krampus I wonder if any of the other models will get this treatment. I wish they would. Then you have any fork option in the universe. Wanting to buy a KM but I may wait to see what happens....
    It's so much cheaper to keep cranking out the same frame/fork that I doubt they'll change the KM at all [especially given it just saw an overhaul recently] until the next time they revamp it - assuming there is a next time.

    You'll know for sure once Interbike rolls around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patirwin View Post
    Just Zach,

    Do you know if that tire will fit a Pugs or if it's too tall?
    Well, i heard a rumor from someone on the other side of the Q fence that the mukluk will fit these wheels/tires.

    I can let you know Fo Sho as soon as our "huge bad ass order" arrives, but that is going to be a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    What about the geometry? Is the Krampus as manoeuvrable as a Karate Monkey? I suppose it isn't because of it longer chainstays. Or ar there some mysterious tricks to compensate this?

    Which pressure did you ride the 3.0" tires?
    I was jumping it and throwing out the back end real nice. That makes it "manoeuvrable" in my book.

    Smiles for Miles.

    Go buy one. If i have money i might drop some too, depends on what Mr Visa says in December.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Besides the Krampus and its accompanying tire, what else is Surly introducing this year?
    Some big 4.8 nasty flesh ripping tires for the moonlander. They would be my #1 pick for climbing over bodies in a post apocalyptic wasteland.

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    News from HQ:

    just got word that the 29x3 Knard will fit in a Pugs. I was concerned it would be too tall but my worries are unfounded. the OD is 30.4", as in 30.4" tall measured from the ground to the top of the tire, for anyone wondering if it'll fit their existing frame.

    I have 3 Pugs but I still want a Krampus

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Train View Post
    if they made a 1.5 head tube on the Krampus I wonder if any of the other models will get this treatment. I wish they would. Then you have any fork option in the universe. Wanting to buy a KM but I may wait to see what happens....

    I would love the 44mm headtube of the krampus on the next ogre!

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    That seems like your best bet. Having the bike you want, in a color you want, is an easy thing to accomplish. You don't have to "settle" to get the color you're just OK with. Buy one now and paint it any color you like. Problem solved.
    Sure, you can pay money to have it powder coated but re powder coating a new frame just wouldn't sit right with me, I remember a poster here called mangoman who had his LHT powder coated black what seemed like weeks before Blacktacular LHTs happened along, that would be heart breaking, I'll watch and wait and if the next Ogres aren't black I settle for a deal on Army Green if I can find one. Maybe I'll get a deal that'll cover the cost of a powder coat

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