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    26" LHT Urban Assault Build...



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    I've been a happy 700c Surly Long Haul Trucker for many years now. I wanted to try out a fatter tire build of the 26" wheel LHT to see how it compared to my 700c touring rig.



    So far the 2.15" Big Apples have been highly grin inducing...



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    Fatties do fit fine...
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    Vic,

    Nice. Cool to see a clean LHT. Mine is one of the first bigger 26" wheel ones. Just updated a few bits on it recently. New (to me) crank, stem and front dyno wheel.


    new bits by ericmplatt, on Flickr" width="549">

    You beat me on the tires, though. Only 26x2.00 Marathon Extremes. Comfy and good. Soon to be replaced by studded tires for winter.

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    Nice. Did the big rubber push you toward the limit of your standover clearance?

    I'm pondering a CrossCheck with 2.0 Big Apples or Marathons and wondering if I should go down a size...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimhazy View Post
    Nice. Did the big rubber push you toward the limit of your standover clearance?

    I'm pondering a CrossCheck with 2.0 Big Apples or Marathons and wondering if I should go down a size...
    I have a 58cm LHT with 700c x 35mm rubber on it and this 58cm LHT with 26" x 2.15" tires. I have no stand over clearance on either bike. It's never been a problem over the many years I've owned the 700c LHT. I'm mostly riding the bike and don't spend a ton of time standing over it. I've never hurt my boys or had any issues. I don't even think about it until somebody asks me.

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    Surly's CC page says there is room for 45mm tires without fenders. So the BAs will either not fit or there won't be much clearance...I would verify that someone else has managed to get them into a CC frame before you invest in them.
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    I have no problem. My LHT is probably one size smaller than ideal. Just for that purpose. Winter riding is a challenge and wanted to be safe. Plus, discovered the hard way when really bundled up in layers it can sometimes be a challenge to swing a leg over a really high top tube.

    As to a CC with Big Apples - pretty sure the Lovely Bicycle blog did it. Might want to check them out. Mine "only" has Marathon Dureme 700x40 with fenders. Lots of room to spare.

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    Nice looking bike! What kind of rack is that? That would work on my Karate Monkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric P. View Post
    As to a CC with Big Apples - pretty sure the Lovely Bicycle blog did it. Might want to check them out. Mine "only" has Marathon Dureme 700x40 with fenders. Lots of room to spare.
    Tires and fenders vary quite a bit. On one of my bikes the hammered fenders result in barely sufficient clearance [some folks would say insufficient]. If I used a different tire I might not have enough clearance to make it work or if I used a smooth fender I'd increase the clearance noticeably.

    YMMV - it may well work depending on what your desire for clearance between rubber and fenders is.

    On my 26" wheeled LHT Surly says 2.1" tires with fenders fit. I'm running 2.15" BAs and there is lots of room in the rear, but the tire is getting tight with the fork at the sides. I wouldn't try and jam any more rubber in there myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMBigs View Post
    Nice looking bike! What kind of rack is that? That would work on my Karate Monkey.
    Thanks!...the rack is an Old Man Mountain [OMM] Sherpa. It's very nice...

    I've been rocking OMM racks on most of my bikes for a 10yrs on the oldest ones and they work great no issues despite a lot of abuse.
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    Is that outer chainring acting as a chain guard?

    I have been running 2.0 BAs on my 54cm LHT for pushing 5 yrs now. Love'em.

    For pretty much all the surly frames I feel obligated to use the features put onto the frame (fat tires for 26" LHT, SS/FG for CC, so on...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    Is that outer chainring acting as a chain guard?
    Essentially it is. I can't see the need for the higher gear range, but I had the crank available so I used it. I can shift it manually if I want to.
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    Nice Vik. Your builds always look good. I've been loving my 26" Trucker, and have had fun with the 2.0" Big Apples in recent weeks.

    Any comments on the difference in handling between the 700c and 26" models?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbryant2 View Post
    Any comments on the difference in handling between the 700c and 26" models?
    I've been neglecting my 700c LHT in favour of the 26" rig. I'll do some back to back laps on both bikes over the same route and give you a worthwhile reply.
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    Here is my Urban Assault LHT:


    <a href="http://s427.photobucket.com/albums/pp356/jkaber/?action=view&amp;current=LHT1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp356/jkaber/LHT1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    It is a sweet bike....but I'm thinking about selling to fund my fat biking addiction. 25 lbs as shown. It's sporting Dura-Ace 10 speed town tube shifters, Dura-Ace/Ultegra drive train, Paul Neo Retro Brakes, and of course and Old Man Mountain rack. My normal road bike is a Moots....so to me this thing is S-L-O-W...but it rides like a Cadillac!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkaber View Post
    Here is my Urban Assault LHT:


    <a href="http://s427.photobucket.com/albums/pp356/jkaber/?action=view&amp;current=LHT1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp356/jkaber/LHT1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    It is a sweet bike....but I'm thinking about selling to fund my fat biking addiction. 25 lbs as shown. It's sporting Dura-Ace 10 speed town tube shifters, Dura-Ace/Ultegra drive train, Paul Neo Retro Brakes, and of course and Old Man Mountain rack. My normal road bike is a Moots....so to me this thing is S-L-O-W...but it rides like a Cadillac!
    Nice looking bike... A fat bike addiction can be a problem for sure...
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    Are you planning to keep the bar unwrapped? If so, why? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbryant2 View Post
    Are you planning to keep the bar unwrapped? If so, why? Just curious.
    I'm waiting to get my shifter situation sorted before I wrap the bars. I'm likely going to use a 9spd bar end shifter on this bike, but I'm waiting on parts at the moment.
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    Big sized 26" LHT look very strange. Yours look good, very clean, but still very strange.

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    I've been enjoy the LHT as my urban transport around town.



    I settled on Retroshifters to handle the shifting duties. They are working better than I had expected and are definitely keepers.



    I installed a front OMM Sherpa rack for some added grocery hauling capacity.



    Retroshift detail.



    I'm loving the wide Velo Orange fenders and full length mudflaps. Both me and my LHT stay clean no matter what the weather.



    I'm liking the 26" wheeled LHT so much I sold my green 700c LHT which was the oldest bike in my fleet and a favourite for so many years.



    Even with the sale of a LHT we've still got 5 Surly bikes in the garage!
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    This thread re-ignites my lust for a 26" LHT. Good to know you remain happy with your 26er. Think I might have to head out on my 700c LHT today.
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    Man, I've been debating about what to buy. I've always liked the LHT and everything about it. I may have to go ahead and order one today! I have most of the parts on a current bike I'm riding, ill jet need to retrofit everything and maybe a few other specific parts to complete it. Everything is on a old Trek MTB frame and I'm just not comfy on it! Ill let ya know if I order it today!
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    I hope you enjoy the new LHT

    I'm just loading mine up and heading into town to run some errands.
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    Suburban Truckin'

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    LHT at the shipyard.
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    why are people still going with the 26" lht with the addition of the troll to surly's lineup....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny the boy View Post
    why are people still going with the 26" lht with the addition of the troll to surly's lineup....?
    The Troll is a MTB with brazeons for touring. The LHT is a dedicated touring bike.

    Personally I have enough MTBs in my garage I don't need another. I like the classic lines of the LHT and vertical dropouts work better with close fitting fenders and derailleurs than the Troll's horizontal dropouts. I prefer the LHT's curved steel fork to the Troll's very stiff straight fork.

    Having said all that I own a Krampus with an IGH that I use for bikepacking.

    If I was doing a paved tour or running errands around town I take the LHT. If I am doing lightweight MTB touring I take the Krampus. Two different bikes with different missions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    The Troll is a MTB with brazeons for touring. The LHT is a dedicated touring bike.

    Personally I have enough MTBs in my garage I don't need another. I like the classic lines of the LHT and vertical dropouts work better with close fitting fenders and derailleurs than the Troll's horizontal dropouts. I prefer the LHT's curved steel fork to the Troll's very stiff straight fork.

    Having said all that I own a Krampus with an IGH that I use for bikepacking.

    If I was doing a paved tour or running errands around town I take the LHT. If I am doing lightweight MTB touring I take the Krampus. Two different bikes with different missions.
    Hi Vikb,
    sweet looking build - I'm very impressed.
    What were the fattest 700c's you might have tried in your now sold Trucker?
    I'm in the process of building up a black Ogre and have gone the route of Big Apples too.
    I ordered some Gilles Berthoud stainless fenders but the supplier had muffed up his site pages so the wrong size arrived after weeks of waiting for the delivery.
    I love the look of your black frame and the VO fenders and am envious as hell.
    I've grabbed a rohloff and son28 and my wheels should be ready to pick up next Friday.
    I'm hoping that removing the rears skewer will allow the wheel to drop downwards as trying to pull backwards in the horizontal drops is looking challenging with the metal fenders. I saw a pic on your linked blog site and liked your Flyer saddle.
    I've gotten a Flyer Special in black to grace my Thomson post and hope it looks as nice on it as yours does in your photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    What were the fattest 700c's you might have tried in your now sold Trucker?
    I used 35mm Schwalbe Marathon XRs on it with fenders.

    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    I'm hoping that removing the rears skewer will allow the wheel to drop downwards as trying to pull backwards in the horizontal drops is looking challenging with the metal fenders.
    Sadly that won't happen. The hub rides on the axle not on the QR so pulling the QR won't change much. Your hub has to come a long way back on an Orge to get out of the dropouts.

    Having close fitting metal fenders on that bike will be a challenge or you'll have to partially remove them every time you want to remove the wheel.

    You would be better off with plastic fenders as they can be bent backwards to get the wheel out. Though they don't work as well nor do they look as nice.

    I'm sure the flyer would look great on an Ogre. Enjoy the new bike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I used 35mm Schwalbe Marathon XRs on it with fenders.



    Sadly that won't happen. The hub rides on the axle not on the QR so pulling the QR won't change much. Your hub has to come a long way back on an Orge to get out of the dropouts.

    Having close fitting metal fenders on that bike will be a challenge or you'll have to partially remove them every time you want to remove the wheel.

    You would be better off with plastic fenders as they can be bent backwards to get the wheel out. Though they don't work as well nor do they look as nice.

    I'm sure the flyer would look great on an Ogre. Enjoy the new bike...
    Thanks for the heads up on the axle/dropout issue - I'll have another look at the plastic cascadias I guess.
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    Probably because they want a bike that can accommodate 26" wheels and is designed around using drop bars. Also, adding fenders and wheel removal with fenders is easier. Furthermore, it has a lower BB height which some folks might want for a touring bike.
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    I let someone test ride my LHT last week. That was a great move. I'm so used to my own bike I hardly think about it anymore, but seeing someone else cruising around on it was a new perspective.

    I kept thinking "Dang that's one sweet looking ride!"

    Made me appreciate the beast all over again.
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    I love my 26" LHT.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/saddleupbike/8693155199/" title="Surly Long Haul Trucker 26&quot; by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8122/8693155199_6870aa8ebd_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Surly Long Haul Trucker 26&quot;"></a>

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    26" LHT Urban Assault Build...

    That's a good looking LHT Saddleup! I ordered mine on Friday...I just got the frame. It's a 52 26in with disk. I'm thinking about running flat bars and a. 1x9 drivetrain. I'm also looking at using DT shifter(s) to keep things simple. I've noticed that everyone is running wider tires...I have some inexpensive 1.25in slicks on it now....I may go wider later? Is there that much of a ride difference? Any fender recommendations? Keep up the good work everyone....sharp looking rigs!
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    I've been doing bar ends and DT shifters for what seems like forever, keeping it old school, keeping it simple. I installed a 3x9 set of Tiagra brifters and my whole world changed. Screw keeping it simple, I enjoy having the brakes and shifting right at my finger tips. I'm so over it unless I'm building a old bike, I won't upgrade my C&V bikes but the build for my Pacer has changed from DA DT shifters to 105 brifters.

    I think tires that are 1.75"-1.95ish" are perfect for the LHT. I have to give praise for the cheap Michelin City 1.85 tires I'm using. They roll fast and offer great grip and the retail for $30. I've had them off a few times while I installed temporary replacements and keep going back to them. 60lbs in front and 70lbs in the rear and bike eats up rough surfaces, love them. The bike snob in me keeps thinking a good tire needs to sell for at least $50-$60, this tire proves that wrong.
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    What size is your LHT and how tall are you?
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    You bought the 58 for comfort regardless of the standover?

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    My opinion is that standover is a minimal issue for most riding. Buy for position.

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    I understand fit, my question is Vic's frame looks large for a 5'11 person. Having little seatpost showing and few stem spacers. I am trying to get an idea on how these frames fit

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    I've revamped my LHT a bit to make it more suitable for my ~50km round trip commute from Victoria - Sidney BC. The most important upgrade was a dynohub and light so I don't have to mess with batteries. I also added some fast rolling 44mm tires from Compass Bicycle which have increased my speed noticeably while still providing a comfortable ride on dirt, gravel and wooden bridge decks.



    I've posted a write up of the changes on my blog:

    vikapproved | Surly Long Haul Trucker Commuter Bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    I understand fit, my question is Vic's frame looks large for a 5'11 person. Having little seatpost showing and few stem spacers. I am trying to get an idea on how these frames fit
    Sorry I didn't see this question until just now. I tried a 56cm LHT and then a 58cm LHT. I could ride either. I prefer the 58cm bike though. I buy for the correct reach from saddle to the bars in my usual hand position. So that factors in saddle position, TT length, stem length and bar shape - as well as my body's dimensions.



    In general you can adjust the stem and bars to make a couple frame sizes work - although you may prefer one over the other.

    Comparing bike fits online based on height is a hit or miss thing. You really need to compare a bunch of other body dimensions as well as how flexible a person is and where on the bars they like to ride.

    The photo above is me in the position I ride 70% of the time. I'm on the drops 25% of the time [photo below] and on the flats near the stem 5% of the time.

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    Vik, your LHT is looking real nice. I like the red cabling - classy touch! (retro grouch nit pick: the shifter cable arches would look better looping over the handlebar, like old skool non-area brake cables)

    So I'm wondering - since you've been on the 26" LHT for a couple of years now and have a mile or two under your seat, what is your assessment of the 26" LHT vs. 700c LHT? Noticably better or worse is terms of comfort, speed, handling, etc? Are you tempted at all to convert it to 650b?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    So I'm wondering - since you've been on the 26" LHT for a couple of years now and have a mile or two under your seat, what is your assessment of the 26" LHT vs. 700c LHT? Noticably better or worse is terms of comfort, speed, handling, etc? Are you tempted at all to convert it to 650b?
    Last question first. I'd like to run 650B wheels and Hertres tires, but not enough to spend the $$.

    Between the handling of the 700 vs 26er LHT I like the 26er with big tires best. With skinner tires I prefer the 700c LHT. As long as you run a wide tire on the 26er the comfort is the same between wheel sizes. As for speed it really comes down to the tires you use. My 700c LHT with Grand Bois Cypres 32mm tires and my 26er LHT with 44mm Grand Bois/Compass Bicycle tires would be close to the same speed. The LHT punishes you for sprinting so you'll end up riding a steady speed rather than accelerating tons which might favour the lighter tire/wheel.

    I'm not too fussed over wheel sizes. I do like 650B, but not enough to drop a lot of $$ on swapping them in.

    If I keep doing long commutes well into next year I'll be tempted to buy a faster bike. Given the costs that will probably be a cross bike with 700c wheels since that seems to offer the best bang for your buck when looking at performance and wanting clearance for a 32mm tire + fenders.
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    Good explanation. Thanks.
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    Great thread. I have been trying to decide on a frame to build for my wife. After looking at the Cross Check, Handsome bikes, and etc, I think the 26" LHT would be best. If we're on tour, having the same wheel size as a Dummy (which is what I'd be riding) would be good. But I'd most likely get the disc version. I wish Surly would have just added disc tabs to the LHT instead of making them 2 different models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Great thread. I have been trying to decide on a frame to build for my wife. After looking at the Cross Check, Handsome bikes, and etc, I think the 26" LHT would be best. If we're on tour, having the same wheel size as a Dummy (which is what I'd be riding) would be good. But I'd most likely get the disc version. I wish Surly would have just added disc tabs to the LHT instead of making them 2 different models.
    Just to confuse matters I'll point out that the LHT is a bit of beast and even on a 58cm frame at 175lbs with my commuting gear and moderate leg strength I'd rather be riding something else when lightly loaded. So if your wife is a typical woman [lighter and less leg power, smaller frame which = stiffer] the LHT may not be the best choice unless she'll be using it with a bunch of cargo frequently.

    We bought my GF a Cross Check which is working well as her commuter bike and she'd tour on it if we did a road tour. I'd buy her a frame that was even less stiff if I was starting over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Just to confuse matters I'll point out that the LHT is a bit of beast and even on a 58cm frame at 175lbs with my commuting gear and moderate leg strength I'd rather be riding something else when lightly loaded. So if your wife is a typical woman [lighter and less leg power, smaller frame which = stiffer] the LHT may not be the best choice unless she'll be using it with a bunch of cargo frequently.

    We bought my GF a Cross Check which is working well as her commuter bike and she'd tour on it if we did a road tour. I'd buy her a frame that was even less stiff if I was starting over again.
    Thanks for the info. My wife is 5'6" and 115lbs, so maybe it would be a lot for her to handle. Too bad there isn't a LHT we could test locally. The other bike I was considering is the Salsa Vaya. The 50 and 52cm (probably will go with 52, since this will be set up with flat/alt bar) come with 26" wheels and seems like same clearance as the LHT. Wonder if that would be a better choice. I don't think they're as heavy duty as the Surly. It's getting to be winter season now, so I have some time to research until next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Thanks for the info. My wife is 5'6" and 115lbs, so maybe it would be a lot for her to handle. Too bad there isn't a LHT we could test locally. The other bike I was considering is the Salsa Vaya. The 50 and 52cm (probably will go with 52, since this will be set up with flat/alt bar) come with 26" wheels and seems like same clearance as the LHT. Wonder if that would be a better choice. I don't think they're as heavy duty as the Surly. It's getting to be winter season now, so I have some time to research until next season.
    Ideally if you can find out what the tubing wall thickness and diameter is for the bikes you are comparing you can get a good idea of their stiffness.

    Assuming you can't I would skip any bike that mentions touring in its description especially if there is no indications that they vary the tube set with frame size. A small frame will be much stiffer than a large one assuming the same tubing is used on both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I used 35mm Schwalbe Marathon XRs on it with fenders.



    Sadly that won't happen. The hub rides on the axle not on the QR so pulling the QR won't change much. Your hub has to come a long way back on an Orge to get out of the dropouts.

    Having close fitting metal fenders on that bike will be a challenge or you'll have to partially remove them every time you want to remove the wheel.

    You would be better off with plastic fenders as they can be bent backwards to get the wheel out. Though they don't work as well nor do they look as nice.

    I'm sure the flyer would look great on an Ogre. Enjoy the new bike...
    Despite your great advice, I couldnt resist some polished stainless Berthoud fenders for my Ogre





    I'll report back on how much fun the rear wheel is to remove with the fender on.
    The Rohloff makes it painful to remove/install even without the fender.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    Despite your great advice, I couldnt resist some polished stainless Berthoud fenders for my Ogre

    [URL=http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/rif_raf13/media/DSC06064_zpsfcd2cc82.jpg.html]
    They look lovely.



    My GF has metal fenders on her CC despite the PITA that ensues when removing the rear wheel. The secret is rarely remove the rear wheel.

    You can patch a tube with the rear wheel in the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Ideally if you can find out what the tubing wall thickness and diameter is for the bikes you are comparing you can get a good idea of their stiffness.

    Assuming you can't I would skip any bike that mentions touring in its description especially if there is no indications that they vary the tube set with frame size. A small frame will be much stiffer than a large one assuming the same tubing is used on both.
    Not sure on the tubing, but I did find this review which pretty much says for light-duty touring, the Vaya is preferred.

    Salsa Vaya 1000 Mile Review (or our thoughts on Salsa Vaya vs. Surly LHT) @ The Path Less Pedaled

    My wife likes the baby blue color better as well. This is what we will probably end up getting. Thanks for the input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Not sure on the tubing, but I did find this review which pretty much says for light-duty touring, the Vaya is preferred.

    Salsa Vaya 1000 Mile Review (or our thoughts on Salsa Vaya vs. Surly LHT) @ The Path Less Pedaled

    My wife likes the baby blue color better as well. This is what we will probably end up getting. Thanks for the input.
    The Vaya is more comparable to the Cross Check. The LHT is geared towards heavy touring, so that review is not at all surprising.
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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