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    2014 Surly Instigator

    so, what is the deal with this? some rabble rousing popped up in the Fatbike subforum, but this seems more appropriate.

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    Is that the only evidence of a new Instigator release? Anyone can get custom bike decals made for a few bucks.

    Surly wouldn't have canned the old Instigator if it was selling well so you'd have to wonder why bring it back?
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    I'm not saying anything is set, but there seems to be some hullabaloo, and now Surly has linked to the same thread on their facebook page, albeit with no admission that any of it is correct.

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    I wouldnt be surprised if they brought it back as a 29er, there seems to be a market the new diamondback mason, transition trans am, kona honzo are just a few long travel hardtail 29ers I could think of. Either way this got my attention.

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    I don't know if this is appropriate, but does anyone have a list of all the bikes/frames surly has made in order from first to last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maximo View Post
    I wouldnt be surprised if they brought it back as a 29er, there seems to be a market the new diamondback mason, transition trans am, kona honzo are just a few long travel hardtail 29ers I could think of. Either way this got my attention.
    You could be right, but I've never known Surly to follow the herd. They're either breaking new ground in single speed, 29ers, fatbikes, longbikes, 29+, etc, or they're reintroducing timelessly brilliant designs that the industry has abandoned (or had, abandoned before Surly renewed interest in steel bikes) like the LHT, CC, or Pacer. I could totally see Surly bringing back a refined Instigator in 26 inches while the rest of the industry is moving away from that wheel size. Surly did bring out the Troll and the 26" LHT while the rest of the adventure/touring market is fixated on 700c.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    You could be right, but I've never known Surly to follow the herd. They're either breaking new ground in single speed, 29ers, fatbikes, longbikes, 29+, etc, or they're reintroducing timelessly brilliant designs that the industry has abandoned (or had, abandoned before Surly renewed interest in steel bikes) like the LHT, CC, or Pacer. I could totally see Surly bringing back a refined Instigator in 26 inches while the rest of the industry is moving away from that wheel size. Surly did bring out the Troll and the 26" LHT while the rest of the adventure/touring market is fixated on 700c.
    Good point.

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    it wont be a 29er, and it may or may not be coming back as a complete. thats what a little bird told me anyway. right after punching me in the nuts.

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    From Surly's Facebook.

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    2014 Surly Instigator

    Looks pretty killer, as does dudes beard.

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    looks like a 140ish fork. Niiice

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    Re: 2014 Surly Instigator

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    What I like: beefy tubes!

    What I dont: disc brake mount location; missing rack mounts; double bottle cage mounts (instead of triples)...

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    are those 26" rabbit holes? New wheelset for my Troll if so...

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    sounds to me like you want the troll.

    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    What I like: beefy tubes!

    What I dont: disc brake mount location; missing rack mounts; double bottle cage mounts (instead of triples)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombinate View Post
    sounds to me like you want the troll.
    Got the Troll. Love the Troll.

    Mebbe the Instigator in the photo is just a prototype. But the thing is, most surlies share a common feature, and that is versatility. I'm not seeing so much versatility in that bike as in their other models.

    Like the Troll!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    I'm not seeing so much versatility in that bike as in their other models.
    The Krampus and updated Karate Monkey are two of their latest mountain bike releases. Neither has much in the way of braze-ons. I wouldn't be suprised if they continue that trend with the Instigator.

    They bikes Surly is putting out as touring bikes are coming with all the expected braze-ons.

    Despite the lack of braze ons I can easily put dual racks on my Krampus and 6 water bottles/cages so it's not something I'm sweating.
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    That thing looks awesome... I want one for sure.

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    Looks pretty sweet to me. It's basically a 26" Krampus that will work with a suspension fork. Similar frame (headtube, yoke, tire clearance, geometry), but built around 26" wheels. Yet another wheelset for fat bike guys to try out too! I'm glad to see 26" RH rims. I may get a set for my 1x1.

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    Very cool! Welcome back, Instagator.

    Now what's with the goofy brace-tube between the ST and TT that they're putting on all thier bikes now. When did that become Surly's "thing" or whatever? All the frames look the same. I kind of liked it when each had their own style, but maybe I'm in the minority on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    Very cool! Welcome back, Instagator.

    Now what's with the goofy brace-tube between the ST and TT that they're putting on all thier bikes now. When did that become Surly's "thing" or whatever? All the frames look the same. I kind of liked it when each had their own style, but maybe I'm in the minority on that.
    No I'm with you on that.
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    Yup

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    as a bmx kid at heart, I would love to get back on a bike that can shred skateparks, bomb stairs, flow pump track, etc. if Surly made such a bike, i would probably go for it. such a bike would be silly if it had rack mounts, bottle cages (ok, maybe one bottle cage mount), etc.

    maybe something like an Evil Sovereign?

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    ...maybe something like an Instigator?

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/saddleupbike/9251719618/" title="Calgary Bike Path After The Flood by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2847/9251719618_ac13c0f123_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Calgary Bike Path After The Flood"></a>

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    I figured that Surly would eventually come out with something like this - an 'all mountain'-ish HT frame that can take a long travel fork. This is definitely something I would be interested in.

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    Things i am waiting on info for.

    Seat post size, looks slim, not oversized i like that.

    BB type, hopefully normal 73mm shell and not some wacky push fit set up, ISCG tabs, can go BB mount but ISCG would be good, not a fan of ISCG05 because non of my frames have that.

    Front center/top tube length, looks fairly long, stable at high speed ?
    Headtube, looks like a 44mm so uni fit any steerer size with spacers.... sweet, seen some killer deals on tapered and 1.5 steerer forks that won't fit my 1" 1/8 frames.

    Tube spec/weight, i will assume a double butted cromo tubeset, hopefully lighter than the old model. Liking the double bottle mounts. Can't make out a cable stop for front mech, no biggy for me, cable routing looks good.

    Price ? only interested in frame only, expect similar to KM.

    I can see me racing that down Fort William next year give my Monkey a rest from DH duty.
    The old Instigator was just that, an old design, i nearly bought one when it was discontinued, curious as to frame size and specs and modern geo tweeks, could be a bomber frame in the making

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    Write up on the Instigator re-issue in Bikerumor... Surly Brings Back the Instigator with 26+, Adds ECR 29+ and Straggler Disc

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    I wonder if the 26"x2.75 Dirt Wizard with 26" Rabbit Hole will work on the Big Dummy. Talk about all-terrain hauling...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    I wonder if the 26"x2.75 Dirt Wizard with 26" Rabbit Hole will work on the Big Dummy. Talk about all-terrain hauling...


    Just a guess, but up front a 2.75" 26er tire should fit, but not in the rear.

    In the photo above that's a 2" Marathon XR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    Just a guess, but up front a 2.75" 26er tire should fit, but not in the rear.

    In the photo above that's a 2" Marathon XR.
    That's on a 1st generation BD, maybe, hopefully, the clearance is a bit wider on the 2nd generation BDs. According to the Surly website, the BD will accept 2.5 tires with fenders. I guess we'll find out once this stuff becomes available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    That's on a 1st generation BD, maybe, hopefully, the clearance is a bit wider on the 2nd generation BDs. According to the Surly website, the BD will accept 2.5 tires with fenders. I guess we'll find out once this stuff becomes available.
    From the Surly site:

    26” x 2.2-2.5” tires- The largest tire size designed to fit inside the Dummy frame is a 2.5” (think Schwalbe Big Apple/Fat Frank 2.35” or Maxxis Hookworm 2.5”)
    The rear end is quite tight due to the spec of the Xtracycle design. The front has more tire clearance.
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    It will be interesting to see if the new 2.75" tyres fit on the Troll or 1x1. If they fit the Troll I'm in for a set, and would like to know ASAP as the wheels need rebuilding anyway. Hopefully Surly will talk about them on their blog sooner rather than later.

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    [QUOTE=vikb;10553290]From the Surly site:

    From the BD Frame Highlights page:

    Tire clearance: 26 x 2.5" with fenders

    Just to further confuse or clarify the issue. You'd think if it would allow a 2.5 with fender you could squeeze in a 2.75 but you're probably right, the Dirt Wizard will be a no go for the BD. (Insert sad face here.)

    Props to the folks at Surly all the cool stuff they're thinking up and putting into production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    It will be interesting to see if the new 2.75" tyres fit on the Troll or 1x1. If they fit the Troll I'm in for a set, and would like to know ASAP as the wheels need rebuilding anyway. Hopefully Surly will talk about them on their blog sooner rather than later.
    It will be the same as 29x3" Knards and karate Monkey: Front fits, back not.

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    I wonder whether those tyres will fit other manufacturer's 650b frames...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    as a bmx kid at heart, I would love to get back on a bike that can shred skateparks, bomb stairs, flow pump track, etc. if Surly made such a bike, i would probably go for it. such a bike would be silly if it had rack mounts, bottle cages (ok, maybe one bottle cage mount), etc.

    maybe something like an Evil Sovereign?
    Take a look at the AMHT thread in the All Mountain forum. There are so many rad hardtails like the Evil Sovereign that excel at all of that. My old Chameleon was perfect for trail riding at 140mm travel and cranking the U-turn fork down to 100mm for park/bmx track days. Now it's just set at 100mm purely for playing around with my Banshee as the trail bike but it was great to have such a versatile bike when I could only have one mountain bike.

    Cool to see the Instigator back in the lineup, it was pretty ahead of its time being a hard hitting hardtail and I was surprised Surly took so long to re-release it considering the success of the Transition TransAm, Chromag bikes, Santa Cruz Chameleon etc over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    I wonder whether those tyres will fit other manufacturer's 650b frames...
    Of course they won't. So no other manufacturer can make a quick "copy" of the new Instigator. Good decision from Surly

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    It should be out in March. MSRP $2600.

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    My first reaction was, damn that is an expensive bike. But, its the first Surly to be sold with a Fox 32 and the Rabbit Holes or any other Surly rim are not cheap either. I cant wait, but going with a frameset personally, I like the White Brothers loop over a Fox any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusheleven View Post


    It should be out in March. MSRP $2600.
    From where did you get photo and price? Instigator isn't on the Surly website until now...

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    I want that wheelset. Bike is cool too I guess.

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    Looking forward to the Instigator v Explosif v 45650b comparo that's begging to be done. Dirt Rag?
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    The Rag recently took delivery of a custom Coconino 650b with an AM flavor...I suppose that is neither here nor there.
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    Please tell me they put an oversize (30.9 or 31.6) post on that thing. If not, that would be a HUGE oversight and would definitely be a dealbreaker for me - and otherwise I'd be very likely to buy one.

    My priorities:
    - Has to have oversize post for dropper option
    - 16.4 - 16.8" chainstays, prefer short end
    - 67.5 - 68.5 head tube angle
    - 16.0 - 16.5" reach on the medium

    - Soft (50A or less) rubber compound option for the front tire, 60A is not enough on wet rocks and roots

    I'd really like for the medium to have a 17" seat tube instead of 18", but I know that my legs are shorter than most. Mind you a 31.6 post would make sizing down the seat tube more viable.
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    agreed, i'll find something else to put those wheels on.

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    There are companies that make a 27.2 dropper post. Thomson has one in the works. I have no clue what the seat tube will be on the Instigator, but hopefully that's not a deal breaker for customers. I do think Surly should (if they didn't already) make a larger seat tube to accept more dropper posts.

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    I do stand corrected, somewhat - KS Lev is a good option (though only a 100mm travel available), though a 27.2 dropper is a compromise in strength and stiffness that shouldn't be necessary.

    Can't wait to see full spec on this bike

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    That's not a 27.2mm seat post in the photo, even the original version had an oversized seat tube, all though it was an odd size.

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    ^ Doesn't matter; Cane Creek (and others) do shims to fit 27.2 posts to whatever seat tube ID. It the hole is 27.2 or larger something can be made to fit.

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    http://surlybikes.com//uploads/downl...14_catalog.pdf

    Page 66 has geometry

    Medium (23.8 ETT) has 16.7" seat tube
    16.4" chainstays
    67.5 head angle
    30.9 post for all dropper options

    Stoked!!! Sounds amazing.

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    Industry standard then 30.9

    As already stated shims are available.
    I run a 25 Thomson in a 27.2 KM frame, and 27.2 in a 29.4 frame, the only downside of a fat seatpost size is comfort, so shimming down can be nice if the frame is stiff anyway.
    Would have preferred a smaller tube, but having had several specialized's over the years i have a few 30.9 post's kicking about, and some shims

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    I wish everything would just go to 27.2 or 31.6. No need for more options IMO. And anything made for aggressive riding should be 31.6.

    I wish Surly would publish the rubber durometer they use!

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    2014 Surly Instigator

    I am sorta pissed I have my Krampus now. This bike is what I've been waiting for all along! DOH!

    Maybe I need a 2nd bike.

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    ISCG05 crap..... i only have ISCG chainguides to match my frames, so new chain device, new 44mm headset before i could roll.

    Quite sure trying to run a BB mount on 73mm BB shell to run ISCG guides is bad.

    Will see a frame at the end of January 2014, until then it's looking costly to upgrade to current cycle industry standards to switch over to the new frame, have to say though that the multi standard dropouts are a nice touch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoyScout View Post
    Thank you very much for posting the catalog link - I've been waiting to see it. And also curse you as I may have to buy another frameset/bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    Thank you very much for posting the catalog link - I've been waiting to see it. And also curse you as I may have to buy another frameset/bike!
    Tell me about it. I saw this bike and instantly was like 'that is totally my next bike'

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    Very cool! Welcome back, Instagator.

    Now what's with the goofy brace-tube between the ST and TT that they're putting on all thier bikes now. When did that become Surly's "thing" or whatever? All the frames look the same. I kind of liked it when each had their own style, but maybe I'm in the minority on that.
    I agree, and I miss the head tube gussets as well. Hopefully the oversize HT is at least close to as stiff as the old design.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holmes View Post
    I figured that Surly would eventually come out with something like this - an 'all mountain'-ish HT frame that can take a long travel fork. This is definitely something I would be interested in.
    I'm glad they did it (again,) for sure.

    This was the only frame I could find I could stuff 2.5-2.7 tires in the back of. Of course, I should warn you, it's nothing like riding a 650B.

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    What do you guys think about the Price tag on this bad boy? $2,600 is what the LBS is telling me, they are the most reputable dealer around me. He also said the price was going to go up $100-200 after the March run. That makes the new Instigator the most expensive Surly bike..........I feel like this bike was made for me but I wasn't expecting that price tag. Worth it?

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    That's not much more than I built up my old style Instigator for and that's with the rigid fork instead of the Fox. Doesn't seem like a bad spec for the money, considering just a frame, rims, and tires would set you back the better part of a grand.

    I'm looking forward to finding out if you can actually stuff a 26x3" in the back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zowie View Post
    That's not much more than I built up my old style Instigator for and that's with the rigid fork instead of the Fox. Doesn't seem like a bad spec for the money, considering just a frame, rims, and tires would set you back the better part of a grand.

    I'm looking forward to finding out if you can actually stuff a 26x3" in the back...
    According to the specs in the catalog...there is clearance for 26x3

    Edit* Now realizing that you probably already saw that, you are just wondering if its ACTUALLY TRUE.

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    Not to give them crap--it's amazing to me how much clearance they got out of it without getting into weird standards. Needless to say, if they figured out how to put another 0.3" of clearance in there, I'd be impressed. And I may need to buy another frame too.

    edit: after looking at the rag pics, looks like they did a similar to the Krampus yoked chainstay. I'm sure we shall soon see what fits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BearCutsBody View Post
    What do you guys think about the Price tag on this bad boy? $2,600 is what the LBS is telling me, they are the most reputable dealer around me. He also said the price was going to go up $100-200 after the March run. That makes the new Instigator the most expensive Surly bike..........I feel like this bike was made for me but I wasn't expecting that price tag. Worth it?
    I know what you mean; I had to do a double take at the asking price too. I'm sure its worth every penny, considering the innovative design and the premium components. But Surly's not so much the blue collar, value brand anymore, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zowie View Post
    That's not much more than I built up my old style Instigator for and that's with the rigid fork instead of the Fox. Doesn't seem like a bad spec for the money, considering just a frame, rims, and tires would set you back the better part of a grand.
    +1 - this isn't some run of the mill 26er. It has speciality rims, tires and a special frame to fit them. Low volume means higher cost. It may or may not be worth it to you, but that's why the price is high.

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    But Surly's not so much the blue collar, value brand anymore, is it?
    This is one of Surly's niche bikes that uses speciality parts and the only one that comes with a suspension fork. So of course it's not cheap.

    You can still get a Karate Monkey, Ogre or Troll at a lower price point if you don't want/need the extra Instigator bling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    I know what you mean; I had to do a double take at the asking price too. I'm sure its worth every penny, considering the innovative design and the premium components. But Surly's not so much the blue collar, value brand anymore, is it?
    Well, the guy at my LBS also told me that a lot of their models are going up in price this year. I think they are becoming the Apple of bikes. I'm okay with that, as long as they keep their quality in check.

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    Like Apple? In the marketing sense, they're doing better--they're cool without having to pay people to tell you it's cool. In the manufacturing sense, no way. Besides, if someones prices aren't going up, there's something going on there. Unless you believe there's no inflation, or that wages are going up faster than costs, or some such 'unconventional' economic observation... not to mention, they have little control over Shimano, Alex, Continental, or Kalloy, etc. upping prices.

    I'd love quality, but many other bike companies seem to be proving good customer service can sell a crapload of mediocre bikes with 'new features' if they market well enough...

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    I meant it more in the Hipster sense, but I think we already knew that. At the end of the day, I don't care. I do understand inflation and part costs being out of their control. I was just surprised that THIS was their most expensive bike in the lineup when most "Surly Enthusiasts" I meet would have no interest in this style of bike.

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    Do we know the price of an ECR complete yet? I'm guessing that is going to come in above $2k also.

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    I would be interested in this bike with a rigid front fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    I would be interested in this bike with a rigid front fork.
    You'll be able to buy it as a frame and build it with any fork you like.
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    For my style of riding I would absolutely love this bike. But I just can't justify 140mm of travel for where I live and ride. There just isn't anything around me for that much travel, so I'm thinking of building up a Teaberry 1X1 with rabbit holes and dirt wizards. I think it would be sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    I would be interested in this bike with a rigid front fork.
    I'm thinking the Krampus fork would work quite nicely.

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    Or the Instigator fork.

    (I like it)

    Although if you're going for an even more slack HTA, and a little more 'give', the Krampus fork could be a good match...

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    I always wished the Instigator fork was slightly longer. For urban/DJ riding I thought it felt great, I did not like it on the trail on the original Instigator, which was designed for up to 130mm forks. It feels much better with a rigid 29er fork off road. Considering the V2 is designed around a 140mm the Instigator fork would make the head tube awfully steep, I'm thinking I'll probably pick up a Krampus fork for Instigator V1.

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    Interesting. I always thought the frameset as is on the V1 was a killer trail bike--seemed to me the HTA with the I fork was spot on for an all around trail bike, but that may just be me. The whole nearly sitting on the rear wheel thing makes it a rather 'active' bike anyway IMHO, if you're looking for a stable mountain cruiser I couldn't imagine that being the right frame set for that. I guess, I have a couple of 29er rigid forks lying around, might have to swap one out and see what it's like, some day when the rain/flooding actually stops and the trails dry up around here...

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    The original was great, still have mine as a fat ish trail bike. Weighs a ton but I had it with a 150mm revelation and it rode well.
    Presently it has 65 mm large marges and a trimmed 2.7 on the rear. Maverick sc32 and 3.0 gazallodi it's a bomber

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    Someone please let the reviewer know the Instigator is not a fat bike, and the Dirt Wizard 2.75" tires are not fat bike tires.

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    sorry if I sound stupid, what do you mean by HTA with the I fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Someone please let the reviewer know the Instigator is not a fat bike, and the Dirt Wizard 2.75" tires are not fat bike tires.
    This. It was like he edited his moonlander and instigator reviews together by accident.

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    @ Keith, honestly I think there are only ever stupid answers. The hta angle of Instigator v1 was 71.0, the same as the current Troll, both measured with a 100mm suspension fork, that's cross country catagory, nice quick steering. The rigid fork that comes on a Troll is suspension corrected and is 453mm long, the Instigator V1 fork is 447mm long. It steepens the hta angle even more, not exactly "Trail" bike category IMO. Anyway in my experience the V1 Instigator feels better with a longer fork, but to get back to the original topic Instigator V2, it has a hta of 67.5 measured with a 140mm travel fork. Going rigid would be best with a fork longer than 447mm IMO.

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    Thanks Saddle Up, I currently run the V1 Instigator with the instigator fork and I ride mostly cross country, some downhill. I haven't tried it with other fork types yet.

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    I guess I don't know anyone running the same tires front and back for more aggressive riding, but the better part of an inch or so extra rubber on the front slackens out the HTA as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by backcountryeti View Post
    This. It was like he edited his moonlander and instigator reviews together by accident.
    I've never even ridden a fat bike, and I know more about the subject than this writer. The money quote is when the writer says he/she is not sure whether there was room in the stable for a bike that might get ridden only a couple times per year, as if that were all the riding even a snow bike deserves. And the Instigator is not a snow bike. Not to mention this writer has a "stable".

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    This bike is just awesome. Great geo, great specs (SLX all around! Even the hubs!). Surly's first model with a suspension fork right? The SolidGold paint job is just icing.
    Seems like a slap in the face of 650B though.
    Still a very cool bike.
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    Slap in the face?, I see it as an open arm welcome. Every other manufacturer is rushing to get 650b bikes to market. Everyone that has spent any time on this forum and or has done a 650b conversion on a 26" bike knows that it's not that difficult. If you want to build a 650b bike all you have to do is build a bike with clearance for large 26" tires. Which is exactly what Surly has been doing all along. The 1x1 and the Troll are two of the best 650b bikes on the market, Surly knows this. The Dirt Wizard 2.75 26"+ tire will fit Instigator V1.0, Troll and 1x1 also.

    The Instigator V2.0 would be awesome with a light 650b wheel set and a pair of light weight 2.35" tires, just as it will be awsesome with the fat 26"+. Surly bikes are always about options, that's why I love em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    If you want to build a 650b bike all you have to do is build a bike with clearance for large 26" tires. Which is exactly what Surly has been doing all along.
    Exactly. They've never been up front about their bikes being 650B-compatible. They seem to be avoiding making any official statements to that fact. They've resisted releasing a 650B-specific frame, and release a 26er only to say that the overall diameter is "roughly 650B." The way I understand it is, they seem to be invalidating the wheel size by going this route as many have argued in these forums.
    Anyway, more options are always good. I still think the Instigator 2.0 is a cool bike (despite the weight and price).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    The Instigator V2.0 would be awesome with a light 650b wheel set and a pair of light weight 2.35" tires, just as it will be awsesome with the fat 26"+. Surly bikes are always about options, that's why I love em.
    The new Instigator does indeed look awesome. Definitely something I could get into based on the geo and concept. But I've got a noob question about 26"+ tires, and fatter tires in general: I get the that fatter means more grip and more cushion, at the expense of rolling and accelerating a bit slower. My concern would be tire squirm though. Having never spent any significant time of a fatter tired bike (26x2.75 included), it seems to me that in order to get that extra cushion effect, you would also have to deal with a lot of tire squirm under hard cornering. Am I right?

    How would a 26x2.75 on a 50 mm rim compare to a 27.5x2.35 for hard cornering and general thrashing about?

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    Looks very promising! I almost got a 2013 Explosif, but thought the tubing was WIMPY! This looks like it hit the mark.

    Sometimes I like to run a 26" rear wheel so I was curious what the effect on BBH would be. Based on a comparison of BB drops between the Esplosif and Instigator, the instigator should be around 12.65". I think this was mentioned already, but a ~12.65 is the perfect inbetweener or betweeners

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pslide View Post
    The new Instigator does indeed look awesome. Definitely something I could get into based on the geo and concept. But I've got a noob question about 26"+ tires, and fatter tires in general: I get the that fatter means more grip and more cushion, at the expense of rolling and accelerating a bit slower. My concern would be tire squirm though. Having never spent any significant time of a fatter tired bike (26x2.75 included), it seems to me that in order to get that extra cushion effect, you would also have to deal with a lot of tire squirm under hard cornering. Am I right?

    How would a 26x2.75 on a 50 mm rim compare to a 27.5x2.35 for hard cornering and general thrashing about?
    50mm is wide, I don't see tire squirm being a problem with rims of that width. It seems to be fairly recently where the trend is to use wider rims, people have mounted 2.35"-2.50" on 17mm-19mm rims for years without problems.

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    Ahh, just saw this. I have ignored the new Instigator based on my impressions of the old Instigator. Been looking at the Honzo, Explosif and the Krampus but have not been 100% convinced by either. This is what I have been waiting for. Thanks Surly! Looks like I have to ride my lovely Mukluk this winter as well though. First delivery seem to be March 2014 in the UK. Finally time for a new bike. Quite a price tag though...

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    This bike looks so freaking rad.
    Though it would have to kick some serious ass to ride better than my Honzo with a 140mm fork and 2.5/2.4 tires.
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    2014 Surly Instigator

    Tempted to sell my Krampus for this bike. Guess we'll see...

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    handsome guy - about as handsome as the goldshit colored Instigator. - doesn't mean I won't buy one tho...I like it, just hate the color

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    Tempted to sell my Krampus for this bike. Guess we'll see...
    +1 - I don't blame you. The Krampus is so 2012. The Instigator is so 2014.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    +1 - I don't blame you. The Krampus is so 2012. The Instigator is so 2014.
    But 26" rims are dead, 29" is where it's at, duh, anyone with a computer and no actual saddle time will tell you that

    Plus, once there are more Krampus friendly forks, you're set.

    I only see one option that's logical in every way...get both

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