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    2014 Surly Instigator

    so, what is the deal with this? some rabble rousing popped up in the Fatbike subforum, but this seems more appropriate.

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    Is that the only evidence of a new Instigator release? Anyone can get custom bike decals made for a few bucks.

    Surly wouldn't have canned the old Instigator if it was selling well so you'd have to wonder why bring it back?
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    I'm not saying anything is set, but there seems to be some hullabaloo, and now Surly has linked to the same thread on their facebook page, albeit with no admission that any of it is correct.

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    I wouldnt be surprised if they brought it back as a 29er, there seems to be a market the new diamondback mason, transition trans am, kona honzo are just a few long travel hardtail 29ers I could think of. Either way this got my attention.

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    I don't know if this is appropriate, but does anyone have a list of all the bikes/frames surly has made in order from first to last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maximo View Post
    I wouldnt be surprised if they brought it back as a 29er, there seems to be a market the new diamondback mason, transition trans am, kona honzo are just a few long travel hardtail 29ers I could think of. Either way this got my attention.
    You could be right, but I've never known Surly to follow the herd. They're either breaking new ground in single speed, 29ers, fatbikes, longbikes, 29+, etc, or they're reintroducing timelessly brilliant designs that the industry has abandoned (or had, abandoned before Surly renewed interest in steel bikes) like the LHT, CC, or Pacer. I could totally see Surly bringing back a refined Instigator in 26 inches while the rest of the industry is moving away from that wheel size. Surly did bring out the Troll and the 26" LHT while the rest of the adventure/touring market is fixated on 700c.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    You could be right, but I've never known Surly to follow the herd. They're either breaking new ground in single speed, 29ers, fatbikes, longbikes, 29+, etc, or they're reintroducing timelessly brilliant designs that the industry has abandoned (or had, abandoned before Surly renewed interest in steel bikes) like the LHT, CC, or Pacer. I could totally see Surly bringing back a refined Instigator in 26 inches while the rest of the industry is moving away from that wheel size. Surly did bring out the Troll and the 26" LHT while the rest of the adventure/touring market is fixated on 700c.
    Good point.

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    it wont be a 29er, and it may or may not be coming back as a complete. thats what a little bird told me anyway. right after punching me in the nuts.

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    From Surly's Facebook.

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    2014 Surly Instigator

    Looks pretty killer, as does dudes beard.

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    looks like a 140ish fork. Niiice

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    Re: 2014 Surly Instigator

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    What I like: beefy tubes!

    What I dont: disc brake mount location; missing rack mounts; double bottle cage mounts (instead of triples)...

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    are those 26" rabbit holes? New wheelset for my Troll if so...

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    sounds to me like you want the troll.

    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    What I like: beefy tubes!

    What I dont: disc brake mount location; missing rack mounts; double bottle cage mounts (instead of triples)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombinate View Post
    sounds to me like you want the troll.
    Got the Troll. Love the Troll.

    Mebbe the Instigator in the photo is just a prototype. But the thing is, most surlies share a common feature, and that is versatility. I'm not seeing so much versatility in that bike as in their other models.

    Like the Troll!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaly66 View Post
    I'm not seeing so much versatility in that bike as in their other models.
    The Krampus and updated Karate Monkey are two of their latest mountain bike releases. Neither has much in the way of braze-ons. I wouldn't be suprised if they continue that trend with the Instigator.

    They bikes Surly is putting out as touring bikes are coming with all the expected braze-ons.

    Despite the lack of braze ons I can easily put dual racks on my Krampus and 6 water bottles/cages so it's not something I'm sweating.
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    That thing looks awesome... I want one for sure.

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    Looks pretty sweet to me. It's basically a 26" Krampus that will work with a suspension fork. Similar frame (headtube, yoke, tire clearance, geometry), but built around 26" wheels. Yet another wheelset for fat bike guys to try out too! I'm glad to see 26" RH rims. I may get a set for my 1x1.

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    Very cool! Welcome back, Instagator.

    Now what's with the goofy brace-tube between the ST and TT that they're putting on all thier bikes now. When did that become Surly's "thing" or whatever? All the frames look the same. I kind of liked it when each had their own style, but maybe I'm in the minority on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    Very cool! Welcome back, Instagator.

    Now what's with the goofy brace-tube between the ST and TT that they're putting on all thier bikes now. When did that become Surly's "thing" or whatever? All the frames look the same. I kind of liked it when each had their own style, but maybe I'm in the minority on that.
    No I'm with you on that.
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    Yup

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    as a bmx kid at heart, I would love to get back on a bike that can shred skateparks, bomb stairs, flow pump track, etc. if Surly made such a bike, i would probably go for it. such a bike would be silly if it had rack mounts, bottle cages (ok, maybe one bottle cage mount), etc.

    maybe something like an Evil Sovereign?

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    ...maybe something like an Instigator?

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/saddleupbike/9251719618/" title="Calgary Bike Path After The Flood by SaddleUpBike, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2847/9251719618_ac13c0f123_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Calgary Bike Path After The Flood"></a>

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    I figured that Surly would eventually come out with something like this - an 'all mountain'-ish HT frame that can take a long travel fork. This is definitely something I would be interested in.

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    Things i am waiting on info for.

    Seat post size, looks slim, not oversized i like that.

    BB type, hopefully normal 73mm shell and not some wacky push fit set up, ISCG tabs, can go BB mount but ISCG would be good, not a fan of ISCG05 because non of my frames have that.

    Front center/top tube length, looks fairly long, stable at high speed ?
    Headtube, looks like a 44mm so uni fit any steerer size with spacers.... sweet, seen some killer deals on tapered and 1.5 steerer forks that won't fit my 1" 1/8 frames.

    Tube spec/weight, i will assume a double butted cromo tubeset, hopefully lighter than the old model. Liking the double bottle mounts. Can't make out a cable stop for front mech, no biggy for me, cable routing looks good.

    Price ? only interested in frame only, expect similar to KM.

    I can see me racing that down Fort William next year give my Monkey a rest from DH duty.
    The old Instigator was just that, an old design, i nearly bought one when it was discontinued, curious as to frame size and specs and modern geo tweeks, could be a bomber frame in the making

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    Write up on the Instigator re-issue in Bikerumor... Surly Brings Back the Instigator with 26+, Adds ECR 29+ and Straggler Disc

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    I wonder if the 26"x2.75 Dirt Wizard with 26" Rabbit Hole will work on the Big Dummy. Talk about all-terrain hauling...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    I wonder if the 26"x2.75 Dirt Wizard with 26" Rabbit Hole will work on the Big Dummy. Talk about all-terrain hauling...


    Just a guess, but up front a 2.75" 26er tire should fit, but not in the rear.

    In the photo above that's a 2" Marathon XR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    Just a guess, but up front a 2.75" 26er tire should fit, but not in the rear.

    In the photo above that's a 2" Marathon XR.
    That's on a 1st generation BD, maybe, hopefully, the clearance is a bit wider on the 2nd generation BDs. According to the Surly website, the BD will accept 2.5 tires with fenders. I guess we'll find out once this stuff becomes available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    That's on a 1st generation BD, maybe, hopefully, the clearance is a bit wider on the 2nd generation BDs. According to the Surly website, the BD will accept 2.5 tires with fenders. I guess we'll find out once this stuff becomes available.
    From the Surly site:

    26” x 2.2-2.5” tires- The largest tire size designed to fit inside the Dummy frame is a 2.5” (think Schwalbe Big Apple/Fat Frank 2.35” or Maxxis Hookworm 2.5”)
    The rear end is quite tight due to the spec of the Xtracycle design. The front has more tire clearance.
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    It will be interesting to see if the new 2.75" tyres fit on the Troll or 1x1. If they fit the Troll I'm in for a set, and would like to know ASAP as the wheels need rebuilding anyway. Hopefully Surly will talk about them on their blog sooner rather than later.

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    [QUOTE=vikb;10553290]From the Surly site:

    From the BD Frame Highlights page:

    Tire clearance: 26 x 2.5" with fenders

    Just to further confuse or clarify the issue. You'd think if it would allow a 2.5 with fender you could squeeze in a 2.75 but you're probably right, the Dirt Wizard will be a no go for the BD. (Insert sad face here.)

    Props to the folks at Surly all the cool stuff they're thinking up and putting into production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    It will be interesting to see if the new 2.75" tyres fit on the Troll or 1x1. If they fit the Troll I'm in for a set, and would like to know ASAP as the wheels need rebuilding anyway. Hopefully Surly will talk about them on their blog sooner rather than later.
    It will be the same as 29x3" Knards and karate Monkey: Front fits, back not.

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    I wonder whether those tyres will fit other manufacturer's 650b frames...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    as a bmx kid at heart, I would love to get back on a bike that can shred skateparks, bomb stairs, flow pump track, etc. if Surly made such a bike, i would probably go for it. such a bike would be silly if it had rack mounts, bottle cages (ok, maybe one bottle cage mount), etc.

    maybe something like an Evil Sovereign?
    Take a look at the AMHT thread in the All Mountain forum. There are so many rad hardtails like the Evil Sovereign that excel at all of that. My old Chameleon was perfect for trail riding at 140mm travel and cranking the U-turn fork down to 100mm for park/bmx track days. Now it's just set at 100mm purely for playing around with my Banshee as the trail bike but it was great to have such a versatile bike when I could only have one mountain bike.

    Cool to see the Instigator back in the lineup, it was pretty ahead of its time being a hard hitting hardtail and I was surprised Surly took so long to re-release it considering the success of the Transition TransAm, Chromag bikes, Santa Cruz Chameleon etc over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    I wonder whether those tyres will fit other manufacturer's 650b frames...
    Of course they won't. So no other manufacturer can make a quick "copy" of the new Instigator. Good decision from Surly

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    It should be out in March. MSRP $2600.

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    My first reaction was, damn that is an expensive bike. But, its the first Surly to be sold with a Fox 32 and the Rabbit Holes or any other Surly rim are not cheap either. I cant wait, but going with a frameset personally, I like the White Brothers loop over a Fox any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusheleven View Post


    It should be out in March. MSRP $2600.
    From where did you get photo and price? Instigator isn't on the Surly website until now...

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    I want that wheelset. Bike is cool too I guess.

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    Looking forward to the Instigator v Explosif v 45650b comparo that's begging to be done. Dirt Rag?
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    The Rag recently took delivery of a custom Coconino 650b with an AM flavor...I suppose that is neither here nor there.
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    Please tell me they put an oversize (30.9 or 31.6) post on that thing. If not, that would be a HUGE oversight and would definitely be a dealbreaker for me - and otherwise I'd be very likely to buy one.

    My priorities:
    - Has to have oversize post for dropper option
    - 16.4 - 16.8" chainstays, prefer short end
    - 67.5 - 68.5 head tube angle
    - 16.0 - 16.5" reach on the medium

    - Soft (50A or less) rubber compound option for the front tire, 60A is not enough on wet rocks and roots

    I'd really like for the medium to have a 17" seat tube instead of 18", but I know that my legs are shorter than most. Mind you a 31.6 post would make sizing down the seat tube more viable.
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    agreed, i'll find something else to put those wheels on.

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    There are companies that make a 27.2 dropper post. Thomson has one in the works. I have no clue what the seat tube will be on the Instigator, but hopefully that's not a deal breaker for customers. I do think Surly should (if they didn't already) make a larger seat tube to accept more dropper posts.

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    I do stand corrected, somewhat - KS Lev is a good option (though only a 100mm travel available), though a 27.2 dropper is a compromise in strength and stiffness that shouldn't be necessary.

    Can't wait to see full spec on this bike

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    That's not a 27.2mm seat post in the photo, even the original version had an oversized seat tube, all though it was an odd size.

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