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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenanigans View Post
    Since Surly's rails are built to Xtracycle's specs I'm sure the Flightdeck would work.
    I'm not so sure about that, since Surly doesn't state compatibility of the big Dummy Rails to the flight-/snapdeck, it might not be easily attachable. The protruding mounting bosses wouldn't make it possible to attach a flight deck snugly.

    There might even be an agreement betwheen Xtracycle and surly not to poach in their respective market segments. So Xtracycle gets the family market which wasn't to happy with surly anyway, and surly can stick to the cool as fxxxk folkster singlespeed expedition market. Don't get me wrong, the only problem with that is that many people like me consider themselves at least to some extent part of both markets...
    I'm riding a surly 1x1 since they appeared on the european market, but am also father to a 4Y old son. So compatibility would be apreciated!

    Maybe, we see a modified Flight Deck, with holes drilled in for the Dummy Racks mounting bosses. That would be the best, all mounting hardware usable at once -> rock solid attachment!

    So enough speculation for now, let's see what the stuff looks like in reality!

    Considering bags from Porcellain Rocket, that would be awesome, but they would defo be in the upper price range, therefore more leaned towards the expedition/touring side of the market...

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    Quote Originally Posted by huhue View Post
    Does anybody know if the frameset will include the new deck/rails/bag? Since this year has seen quite a substantial rise in the price for the frameset that would be great!
    On the frameset,

    I got word from Ben @ Surly that the framesets won't include any additional accessories. I don't really get why our local distributor raised the price by 100,- (It seems that the local dist. isn't getting surlys concept of quality at a reasonable price...), but anyway...
    Pulled the trigger on a 20" frame today. Information on delivery date is vague at best, but I hope for april/may - we'll see.

    Hopefully the Surly Big Dummy Bags are on the same shipment.
    Though I like the new Rack construction, I doubt that the aluminium deck will be very comfy to sit on (probably not designed for that anyway) so I'll stay with the extracycle racks and a flightdeck to mount a kid seat on.

    Will start to collect parts in the meantime...

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    As a new big-dummy owner, I'm intrigued to see what Surly came up with on their bags/racks/deck. However, my Flight Deck is used as a seat by my three-year-old, so until I get a seat built for her, I think it's probably a better choice than Surly's deck. Now, that said, Surly's deck looks perfect for the Devo-Method: Cargo-strap a planet to your bike!

    Actually, it's the bags that I'm most interested in.... after some winter biking on my dummy, I'm really wishing that they weren't open at the top; snow (and snow-melt) tend to congregate within the free-loaders. I know Xtra has advertised some new freeloaders too, but theirs don't seem to be available yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    ...Surly's deck looks perfect for the Devo-Method: Cargo-strap a planet to your bike!

    Actually, it's the bags that I'm most interested in.... after some winter biking on my dummy, I'm really wishing that they weren't open at the top; snow (and snow-melt) tend to congregate within the free-loaders. I know Xtra has advertised some new freeloaders too, but theirs don't seem to be available yet...
    That's exactly what I'm thinking!

    I'm not so sure about the detachable flap concept of the new FL Bags, I wouldn't want to come out of the grocery store looking at the bags an thinking if they had sewed them on, they would still be there... Bummer!

    On the other hand we should wait for real world reports on the actual production bags. So far I think neither has reached US or EU shores (exept for protos)!

    So if anybody has hands on experience with either bag solution, give us more input please!

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    There seems to be a BD in the new colour on the Surly FB-Page:

    Surly FB-Page

    If that's the new colour, I'm a lilttle bit underwhelmed, had hoped for something darker... But maybe it looks better in the flesh (powdercoat)...

    Also they show a new trailer hitch for the BD

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    Quote Originally Posted by huhue View Post
    Also they show a new trailer hitch for the BD
    Cheers
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    While I don't see purchasing the hitch, it sure looks practical and cool.
    All good expeditions should be simple in concept, difficult in their execution and satisfying to remember--Alastair Humphreys

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    New videos from Frostbike went online and the new bags, deck, and color make an appearance in this one! Hope another one that really focuses in them gets posted but at least it's a glimpse.

    Oops cant post links yet haha. Search for Surly - Frostbike 2013 on YouTube.

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    I tried to figure the RAL Code of the new colour, and it seems to be RAL 7043 Verkehrsgrau B (Traffic Grey B).

    Here is a Vespa in that colour: Klick

    And a "Schwalbe" made in GDR

    And a link to a official RAL Colour Sample

    Hmmm... I don't know, but it might look quite good, wich is a shame, because I don't really want it to be attractive (bike thieves and all)...

    Cheers
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    Big Dummy Complete in Asphault Grey is online on the Surly Website.
    At least it looks a little darker than on the Frostbike Pics...

    Couldn't find any more info on the new bags rack and deck though...

    Cheers
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    New Category on the Surly Page:

    Dummy Stuff

    A Video showing the new bags would be nice, you can't see much on the "Black on Black" Photos...

    One picture suggests that the Dummy has become a full grown crime scene cleanup hauler... Reminds me of Dexter...

    Cheers
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    Ooh nice. The fold out action looks interesting. I agree a video would help get a feel for all the details. The fact that it's only listed as a kit makes me wonder if that's the only way to buy it. I hope not as I would have no need for the other bits, just the bags.

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    From the Catalog: "Available as component pieces or as a complete kit..."
    So everything should be available separately, at least in the states!

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    Ah hah! I figured as much but nice to know for sure. Now the only question is price.

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    Love the new color; reminds me of the "utility blue" 'Truckers from several years back, and the old 'battleship gray" Steamrollers.

    I'm kind of "meh" on the bags... they look kinda cheap, and I'm not so sure the fold-out option is all that much of a convenience. I guess I'd have to see it in person rather than just in photos. In my opinion, the recent FL bags that came with the complete Dummy looked much nicer.

    I'd like to see Surly partner up with a frame bag maker to offer a triangular frame bag option instead. I've always thought that space in the frame between the deck and saddle is just begging to be utilized somehow because otherwise it's just wasted space. I got Scott from Porcelain Rocket to fabricate one for my Dummy, and it's been the best investment I've made on mine (aside from the bike itself).

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokebike View Post
    I got Scott from Porcelain Rocket to fabricate one for my Dummy, and it's been the best investment I've made on mine (aside from the bike itself).
    Pictures?

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    Sorry I don't have any close up details, but here it is on the bike. One side is an entire full compartment, while the other side has a zippered flat pocket that's perfect for wallet, keys, phone, etc. I keep my pump, tubes, tool pouch, lights, and various other stuff in it, which leaves my freeloader bags empty for other, larger loads and tie-down straps without me having to root around in those large velcro pockets all the time.

    Scott made this for me for $150, but that was about 2 years ago. I'm sure his prices have gone up a little since then.
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    Thanks for the Pic...
    Is that a 20" Dummy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huhue View Post
    Thanks for the Pic...
    Is that a 20" Dummy?
    It's the 18" (medium)

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    I've seen two different versions of that bag, your version and one that uses the complete triangle (towards the BB). Is that for setups with and without front mech?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huhue View Post
    I've seen two different versions of that bag, your version and one that uses the complete triangle (towards the BB). Is that for setups with and without front mech?
    Exactly.
    I've seen photos where he's made bags that fit into the skinny triangle above the larger one, as well as on top of the frame between the seatpost clamp and the top of the snap deck. I use that bottle cage mount above the bag all the time for coffee, so I wanted to keep that area free

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    I take back what I said earlier about the fold-out bags... looking at them closer, now I get how they're supposed to work in terms of keeping things dry(er). It just wasn't clicking earlier!

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    As far as I can see on the pics, the new bags seem just like the old Xtra bags with aditional Rainflaps that are rollable instead of detachable (new Xtrabags).
    I'm still not sold on either variant of the new bags. So hopefully there will be some real world impressions from the early adopters soon!!!

    Cheers
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    Dummy Parts pages online at Surly HP:

    Dummy Deck

    Dummy Bags

    Dummy Rails


    Intstuctional PDFs on the respective Pages.

    Cheers
    Dan

    EDIT:
    Surly is obviously giving in to the corporate liability geeks (lawyers):
    "WARNING: This product is not designed to carry live cargo and we do not
    recommend it. If we find out you are carrying passengers we will frown at you
    severely. "

    BOO on you Surly! Obviously you guys fear to get involved in some of the biggest fun of the Xtracycle System... Can't believe that a Brand that celebrates their rebel image at any given time, is obeying their lawyers in such an important Issue!!!
    You're such ******bags...

    Would have expected Surly to increase loading capability to Clydesdale Class passengers, not the other way round...

    Bummer, will go to Xtracycle for bags and racksystem...
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    Quote Originally Posted by huhue View Post
    BOO on you Surly! Obviously you guys fear to get involved in some of the biggest fun of the Xtracycle System...
    Oddly enough, this doesn't bother me too much. And here's why: I can't see anyone WANTING to sit on the aluminum deck. I think that the Surly system looks PERFECT for mega-touring, and the xtracycle parts set is better suited to passengers. I'm glad that we have both.

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    You're definitely right on the Dummy Deck, this thing was designed NOT to carry anybody.
    Actually I think it's designed to avoid people to sit on the Deck of the completes (making the lawyers happy).
    As presumed earlier in the thread there seems to be a specialisation going on. Surly for exped use and Xtracycle for family use. Would have liked to have the best of both worlds... aint gonna happen this year obviously. I really like the new screw on hardware on the new rack, but it won't be possible to have a sit on deck on the BD Rack.

    What interested me most where the Dummy Bags, and there are some points that might be better worked out with the new Freeloaders from Xtracycle.
    The Rain Flap Hook to D-Ring straps seems less refined than the Metal hook to daisychain strap on the new X2 Freeloaders. And the detachable rain flaps might even be a good thing...

    Hmmmm...

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