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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    I'd recommend a chainguide for full-suspension setups, our new AMg is perfect for use with XX1. It pairs a sturdy upper guide and an integrated bashguard, it lacks a lower retention mechanism - which with XX1 rings and Type2 derailleur is a little excessive.

    The narrower Q-factor XX1 cranks do not play well with chain guides in certain configurations - especially as you get into the smaller, 30 and 28t chainrings. The upper guide runs out of room to slide down - inhibited by the crankarm shape.

    The normal Q-factor XX1 cranks are compatible with all the guides we've tested so far.

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    So are you saying that with your testing you found the chain coming off to be a problem on a XX1 crank with a clutch type rear derailieur ?


    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    I'd recommend a chainguide for full-suspension setups, our new AMg is perfect for use with XX1. It pairs a sturdy upper guide and an integrated bashguard, it lacks a lower retention mechanism - which with XX1 rings and Type2 derailleur is a little excessive.

    The narrower Q-factor XX1 cranks do not play well with chain guides in certain configurations - especially as you get into the smaller, 30 and 28t chainrings. The upper guide runs out of room to slide down - inhibited by the crankarm shape.

    The normal Q-factor XX1 cranks are compatible with all the guides we've tested so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
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    So are you saying that with your testing you found the chain coming off to be a problem on a XX1 crank with a clutch type rear derailieur ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
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    So are you saying that with your testing you found the chain coming off to be a problem on a XX1 crank with a clutch type rear derailieur ?
    So far in my testing (which is with 10-speed and KMC chain) the chain hasn't come off in 261mi. of mixed surface riding on a hardtail - pretty impressive! I have noticed that the teeth have worn to the point where I can pull the chain off the ring with ease - when it was new that was hard to do. So as the chainring wears I think it's retention abilities decrease.

    I don't believe I could get away with MY current drivetrain on MY full-suspension bike sans guide. Also, I wouldn't want to run it on an aggressive full-suspension bike without some kind of chainring protection anyway (XX1 chainrings are ~$100) - and the only option there is our XCG product, and if I was gonna run that - I may as well run the upper guide to ensure the chain NEVER comes off (worth it to me for 42 grams). XCG + upper guide = AMg.

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    I have been running a XX1 10 Speed setup without chainguide (XX1 Cranks, X9 Type 2 rear deraileur, PG1090 Chain, Sram XX cassette) on my Trance X29. Whilst I have only taken the bike on 3 rides thus far I have ridden a variety of terrain a well as hitting small jumps and drops. I am pleased to say that I haven't dropped the chain yet and im impressed with its performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ypocat View Post
    not sure I like the left grip not being consistently thick to mirror the shifter side. Probably not, need to try it first, but I'm less inclined now.
    Why not use your own grip? That is what I do for my 9 speed shifters. I cut the rubber grip to the size I want to use and then use wire ties to keep it from moving old school.
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    I use lockon Oury's cut to size with my 9 speed X.0 grip shifters, haven't had them slip only using a lock ring on the outside.
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    Running an XX1 crankset with a 30T MRP podium chairing and have to ride it more to get feedback to post - waiting on a smaller cog. Anyone have a suggestion with what to do with the XX1 spider and chainring combo that came off the crankset?
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord View Post
    Running an XX1 crankset with a 30T MRP podium chairing and have to ride it more to get feedback to post - waiting on a smaller cog. Anyone have a suggestion with what to do with the XX1 spider and chainring combo that came off the crankset?
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord View Post
    Running an XX1 crankset with a 30T MRP podium chairing and have to ride it more to get feedback to post - waiting on a smaller cog. Anyone have a suggestion with what to do with the XX1 spider and chainring combo that came off the crankset?
    Is it a BB30 crank? I would be interested in buying the spider.

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    Can I run the chain/cassette with a non-XX1 crank?

    I'm looking to run a non-XX1 crank with an unramped ring, can I put an XX1 chain and cassette on (or just cassette and run a 10 speed chain)?

    In other words, is there some way for my to use the cassette/rear derailleur/shifter without the cranks/chainring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    I'm looking to run a non-XX1 crank with an unramped ring, can I put an XX1 chain and cassette on (or just cassette and run a 10 speed chain)?

    In other words, is there some way for my to use the cassette/rear derailleur/shifter without the cranks/chainring?

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    Since I've got a bunch of SRAM guys in here - what's the best BB for the XX1 crank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    Since I've got a bunch of SRAM guys in here - what's the best BB for the XX1 crank?
    What bike are you puting it in ? BB30 or GXP ?
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    GXP. Should I buy the regular 30 dollar one or are the ceramics worth it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    GXP. Should I buy the regular 30 dollar one or are the ceramics worth it?
    I run big dollar bikes but just use the cheap BB, I have run the ceramic's but the water & dirt can still get in if you ride in the mud alot so I just replace it more often.
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    Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'll start with the cheap one and see how it goes. Thanks.

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    Does anyone have experience running the XX1 crank with a standard non-clutch type derailleur? I'm running a long cage X0 derailleur that I'm pretty smitten with, and I'm not quite ready to let it go for a type 2 derailleur.

    I plan to run the XX1 crank with no guide + long cage standard derailleur. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_Im View Post
    Does anyone have experience running the XX1 crank with a standard non-clutch type derailleur? I'm running a long cage X0 derailleur that I'm pretty smitten with, and I'm not quite ready to let it go for a type 2 derailleur.

    I plan to run the XX1 crank with no guide + long cage standard derailleur. Any thoughts?
    You will still need a guide without a clutch style rear derailuer.

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    Will the new XX1 derailleur work with XX shifter and cass. No say when Chris King will make their new freehub for the XX1. I'm wanting the derailleur for slap reasons. But current setup is XX.
    I may just have to get shifter and derail XX1, but still concerns if XX cass will mate with XX1 derailleur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_Im View Post
    Does anyone have experience running the XX1 crank with a standard non-clutch type derailleur? I'm running a long cage X0 derailleur that I'm pretty smitten with, and I'm not quite ready to let it go for a type 2 derailleur.

    I plan to run the XX1 crank with no guide + long cage standard derailleur. Any thoughts?
    A very fast cat1/pro cx rider ran an xx1 ring(well a prototype ring with same teeth profile on a red crank), 10 speed shifters, 10 speed cassette, and regular Red rear derailleur all season and never dropped a chain without using a guide. Not mtb, but he definitely ran it through its paces.
    After seeing that I'm going to run an xx1 crank with an X0 1x10 setup on my rigid 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_Im View Post
    Does anyone have experience running the XX1 crank with a standard non-clutch type derailleur? I'm running a long cage X0 derailleur that I'm pretty smitten with, and I'm not quite ready to let it go for a type 2 derailleur.

    I plan to run the XX1 crank with no guide + long cage standard derailleur. Any thoughts?
    I think it will work with just adding the XX1 crank. I think adding the clutch type derailleur adds additional security but I don't think it's absolutely necessary. This might be apple to oranges comparison here but a few years ago I was running an ENO SS crank with a 9 spd cassette, long cage der. (it would be even better with a medium) on a Jet9 with no upper chain keeper. The chain never dropped. So I'm thinking a full XX drivetrain converted with XX1 crank and chain should work just fine.



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    1-bar whats the crank arm bolt (M8?) that is holding your ENO crankset on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    XO crank, XX1 spider and 36t ring, KMC 10 spd. chain, and SRAM PG-1050 cassette - several hundred miles so far, no issues.
    Where did you buy the xx1 spider?

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    Great Thread!

    I'm gonna be running a XX1 crank with XX1 32 and or 30 T ring with the XX1 chain.
    However , here's were I'm hoping things stay on track.
    I'm running the above as a 10 speed with a Shimano Saint clutch deraileur and a Shimano 11-36 cassette.... For added chain stay ( probably not required) and bash I'm finishing off this drive train with an MRP Micro guide/bash.

    From what I've read ( and hope) this should work fine..... Please advise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradical View Post
    Great Thread!

    I'm gonna be running a XX1 crank with XX1 32 and or 30 T ring with the XX1 chain.
    However , here's were I'm hoping things stay on track.
    I'm running the above as a 10 speed with a Shimano Saint clutch deraileur and a Shimano 11-36 cassette.... For added chain stay ( probably not required) and bash I'm finishing off this drive train with an MRP Micro guide/bash.

    From what I've read ( and hope) this should work fine..... Please advise
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    Sounds good. I would just use a 10 speed chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azpoolguy View Post
    Sounds good. I would just use a 10 speed chain.
    True a 10 speed chain would work, but I will gain chain retention with the XX1 chain and then I'm sitting pretty if I decide to go full into XX1 cassette and derialuer.....or into some trickle down XO of X9 11 speed components

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradical View Post
    True a 10 speed chain would work, but I will gain chain retention with the XX1 chain and then I'm sitting pretty if I decide to go full into XX1 cassette and derialuer.....or into some trickle down XO of X9 11 speed components
    Why would you not get the same chain retention regardless of whether 10 or 11-spd chain? Isn't that all about the teeth on the chain ring?

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    No, the 1 chain is designed to fit with the alternating shaped teeth on the ring. It's not a normal chain.

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    I'm running a mixed SRAM-Shimano 1x10 with XX1 crankset without problems. Using XO 11-36 cassette, XTR shifters and Shadow+ mech. I've had no chain derailments since adding the XX1 crankset, although I had some on the previous e13 chainring with no guide in spite of the clutch-type mech. Chainring is 32 tooth, but I bought a 28 as well for seriously major climbs and haven't used it yet. Will probably upgrade to full XX1 eventually for the wider gear range, but 32 with 11-36 gets you most places. Don't know if SRAM has a patent on the wide-narrow chainring teeth, but it's such a simple idea for single rings it's a wonder no-one thought of it before.

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    Just a point of clarification: I'm running a 10 speedchain, which has not derailed once from the XX1 chainring. I ride some pretty rough terrain and have completed two 3 hour races with this setup. I measured the 10 speed chain against a new XX1 chain and could not find a measurable difference in width or spacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nole View Post
    Just a point of clarification: I'm running a 10 speedchain, which has not derailed once from the XX1 chainring. I ride some pretty rough terrain and have completed two 3 hour races with this setup. I measured the 10 speed chain against a new XX1 chain and could not find a measurable difference in width or spacing.
    i run the same idea, using xx rear d., 10sp chain and cassette, with xx1 crankset. no problem at all. it just become a single speed gear box afterall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkbugs View Post
    i run the same idea, using xx rear d., 10sp chain and cassette, with xx1 crankset. no problem at all. it just become a single speed gear box afterall.
    That's comforting to hear. I'm about to swap my XX crankset for the XX1 on my hardtail...but keeping my regular 10-speed X.0 medium cage RD (non-type 2). Don't want to buy the type 2 to run this if it's not necessary.

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    Just changing the crankset to XX1 !?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by onegymrat View Post
    That's comforting to hear. I'm about to swap my XX crankset for the XX1 on my hardtail...but keeping my regular 10-speed X.0 medium cage RD (non-type 2). Don't want to buy the type 2 to run this if it's not necessary.
    Okay, to me this would be amazing.

    If this can be done and the chain doesn't jump off, then SRAM has done us a kindness. Yes, going all XX1 would be wonderful, but for those that have just made the jump to 1X10 the repeat investment hurts the wallet. The XX cassette is lasting longer than the time it takes for SRAM to come out with the next generation of transmission!

    I will continue with my ethirteen guide for now...but a mid season upgrade could be the XX1 crankset, and remove the guide, this puts a smile on me face :-)

    Keep this thread alive...more user set ups please, and results....thx

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    I'm sure my chain staying put is down to a combination of the XX1 chainring and the Shadow+ derailleur, but I was very occasionally dropping the chain before I changed from the E13 single ring to the XX1. There were a couple of places on tracks I rode regularly, usually compressions taken at speed, where I knew the chain would derail every time. It hasn't happened once since I added the XX1 crankset.

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    Alright guys I wanted to post my personal experience on here to clarify some questions. I recently installed an xx1 crankset on my cdale rz120, was originally planning on mrp micro chain guide and 28t bling ring with my sram xo non clutch type derailluer. I know a lot of people will probably not see the point in a 1x9 but the area I ride has always been an in between from 32 to 22 front rings so for my riding style it works great. moving on now lol
    I decided to switch to a bb30 BB so the chain guide was out of the equation since I also had no iscg tabs. I figured if the bling ring dropped the chain i could always switch back to the sram chain ring or maybe run a tube mount guide. Rode 7 miles the other day on my local trails and never had one hiccup! Everything from rocky fast single track to mud, to big and small drops, climbs, you name it. Bottomed out my rear suspension countless times. Didn't drop one time! I still had my chain cut to 32-34 as well with a med cage derailluer so there was still some slack that could have been removed as well. Time will tell how well this works but so far has been great with no issue at all.
    So to answer some questions, yes it works with 9 speed chains (ran the stock 32 on a short ride and it worked fine) Apparently MRP's bling ring holds the chain very well without a chain guide or alternating teeth, and no a clutch type rear der. is NOT mandatory. Understand that this is my personal experience on my own bike but I can say that I'm very pleased with how it all worked out :-) Results may vary especially on a hard tail or a bike with a long cage but honestly if you're running a 1x you don't need a long cage in the first place and would be better off switching anyway :-P

    Hope this helps some people with their questions regarding compatibilities and such ;-)

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    Sugarfree- Is there any difference in chainline between the XX1 spider/chainring and the Bling Ring?

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    Could the following set up a good choice :
    XX1 Crank
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    In particolar I'm seating on the fence about the chain is xx1 the best choice or is 10v better for this Frankestein set up ?

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    I'm not sure about the chainline I'll check that and report back here in the next day or two when I change my cassette :-) As for the chain I kept my 9 speed chain because i'm not worried about a few extra grams and I also wanted to keep the shift ramps on my current chain as the xx1 doesn't have them and I didn't exactly want to spend $50 on a chain that could possibly not shift right :-P lol
    You could honestly go short cage with a 1x if you wanted since you only have 1 chainring up front just make sure to cut the chain to length with the suspension fully collapsed so you don't run into any issues. I'm only running a med cage because I was running 2x9 with a party crasher before the swap and I'm not going to get a short cage just to have it.
    A short cage would increase the chain tension and help keep it on better most likely but honestly if you're going to buy a new derailluer just get a type 2 in the first place :-/

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    For those of you wondering, one of my buddies is running XX1 cranks/ring with 9 spd Shimano chain and a Saint short cage RD. So far no chain loss on the front and shifts great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    No, the 1 chain is designed to fit with the alternating shaped teeth on the ring. It's not a normal chain.
    It is actually a normal chain with a special coating that is supposed to increase longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    For those of you wondering, one of my buddies is running XX1 cranks/ring with 9 spd Shimano chain and a Saint short cage RD. So far no chain loss on the front and shifts great.
    Just an update on the 9 spd setup for everyone. It does drop on very rocky fast sections of trail, but these are about as severe as you will find. I would not recommend this setup unless you ride smoother areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Just an update on the 9 spd setup for everyone. It does drop on very rocky fast sections of trail, but these are about as severe as you will find. I would not recommend this setup unless you ride smoother areas.
    An MRP AMg guide would help....
    Is the derailuer a clutch type?

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    No clutch 9 spd RD's available. He was already running a chainguide 9 spd XTR setup. The idea behind the XX1 crank was to get rid of the guide.

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    Just FYI for those who want to run the XX1 without a Type 2/clutch derailleur, or had skepticism about that, here is my new setup. XX1 (32t) with X.0 10-speed drivetrain, 11-36 cassette, regular X.0 med cage RD. Installed last night and took it out for a ~13 mile loop. Ran through all the bumpy singletracks I could find...zero chain drops! I did my best to make it fail but it worked beautifully. Super happy with this innovation.

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    Sweet! Thanks for the update!

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    I have the exact same xo set up you had and I want to add in the xx1 crank. Did you have to change your chain? What Q factor did you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrange View Post
    I have the exact same xo set up you had and I want to add in the xx1 crank. Did you have to change your chain? What Q factor did you use?
    It was a coin toss but I went with the 168Q. I kept my KMCX10SL 10-speed chain, works perfectly since the 10-speed and 11-speed chains have the same distance between the inner plates. SRAM shaved the outside width, which is the only diff in sizing. I did remove two links to fit the new chainring size (had 39-26 XX crankset previous).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Just an update on the 9 spd setup for everyone. It does drop on very rocky fast sections of trail, but these are about as severe as you will find. I would not recommend this setup unless you ride smoother areas.
    Theres a lot of variables to take into consideration here like did he properly cut down his chain? what length derailleur is he running? which chain guide? What rear cassette as well as what gear is he in when the chain drops?
    I noticed after i switched from 11-34 to 12-36 that I had a lot more chain slap because on the downhill/flat sections I was forced to use a lower cog hence more extra chain flopping around but if you run a long cage this will only amplify the problem :-P

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    My experience with a XO type 2 medium and also short XO derailleur, XO crank with 28T bling ring, XT 11/34 cassette and KMC chain has not been so great. Works surprising well but when you least expect it you will drop your chain. Sometimes you can ride for hours with no drops, sometimes you will drop your chain 2 or 3 times in a ride. I am going to try the XX1 crankset next to see if that will cure this problem. Based on my experience I find it hard to believe anyone using a non type 2 derailleur is not dropping their chain unless they are riding very smooth trails.

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