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    More SRAM 10s GripShift Info!

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    I'll take 2 sets!

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    I'll take 4! Good by 8 speed, hello 10!!!!
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    Trim feature gone, no mention of weight, twice the price of 9-speed X0, color me unimpressed.

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    Whoa, I just saw the update! $225 for the XO's? Ouch, that's kind of steep..!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDDonny View Post
    Whoa, I just saw the update! $225 for the XO's? Ouch, that's kind of steep..!
    No kidding! For that pricepoint, they should come with ceramic bearings AND Gore cables. $450 to convert a triggered bike and a new build. Just for shifters! Staying 9spd just became more palatable decision. One of the pros for going gripshift was the cheaper price. 10spd killed that...
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    $300 is too much....

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    The price is not right.

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    The price is too high, but if they don't bring out the X9 cheaper, I will likely use the X0 on my next bike. I have said a few times, but I have issues with my thumbs, so thumb shifters suck after about 40 minutes for me and $225 for the X0 is still less than it would cost me to downgrade a 10spd new bike to 9 spd to run my current X0s. Hoping for a lower price than MSRP at LBSs and online!
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    The price does seem high but the trigger shifter msrp is 275

    Quote Originally Posted by spsoon View Post
    Trim feature gone, no mention of weight, twice the price of 9-speed X0, color me unimpressed.
    You don't need the trim feature with a 2x front der.

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    Pay to play, if the XX grip shifter is lighter then the trigger options, faster shifting and has an actual carbon body then it's not that bad IMO, the wait has been so long I think a lot of those people waiting will have no problem paying whatever sram is asking. I am very excited myself about these shifters. Thank you Tree Fort for providing the details. Throw those on a scale for us now

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    Seams like they left out all the stuff that made people fall in love with twisties. Cheap, simple, light (maybe), and trimable front.

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    I'm sure the price will come down over a couple seasons and they release an X7 model. I just hope they make an Attack model again for 10 speed Shimano at some point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
    I'm sure the price will come down over a couple seasons and they release an X7 model. I just hope they make an Attack model again for 10 speed Shimano at some point...
    I am sure there will be a pricing war online for these assuming the inventory is there from Sram. If the list is 300 perhaps 250 could be found online with a coupon code from the major players online or ebay etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab View Post
    Seams like they left out all the stuff that made people fall in love with twisties. Cheap, simple, light (maybe), and trimable front.
    Agreed. [sigh] I especially dislike the removal of the trim feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab View Post
    Seams like they left out all the stuff that made people fall in love with twisties. Cheap, simple, light (maybe), and trimable front.

    Are they, Sram, trying to make these things suck? The only argument I can come up with for loosing the FD trim feature is they don't want people buying them.

    It took them 2 years to redesign one tiny part, with such a minor change, I probably would have had an intern do it rather than waste an engineer's time, and instead they ruin the functionality of the front shifter, which didn't need any changes in the first place.

    You really have to wonder what people think sometimes. Sram, hello? Making your products worse for the sake of changing them doesn't make me want to ride Shimano less.

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    Sounds perfect for those of us who will want 1x10.
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    Only if your idea of perfect is spending twice as much as the 1x9 version

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    Joules - totally agree. What were they thinking?!? :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by satanas View Post
    Joules - totally agree. What were they thinking?!? :-(
    absolutely need trim for rough downhills. I run a bashguard and synching the derr up tight creates a on the fly chain guide.
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    Just saw the youtube video for the new SRAM Red "YAW" FD, so that kind of explains the "no trim" deal with the front shifter. Maybe SRAM has some other mtb goodies up their sleeve that we just don't know about yet? Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDDonny View Post
    Just saw the youtube video for the new SRAM Red "YAW" FD, so that kind of explains the "no trim" deal with the front shifter. Maybe SRAM has some other mtb goodies up their sleeve that we just don't know about yet? Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see...

    Yeah, it's similar to the new Red FD. Hopefully it wont need constant tinkering to maintain proper adjustment.

    Also, for those crying about no micro adjustment in the shifter, I'm sure you could still run a standard 9 speed FD and front grip shift and buy the 10speed rear stuff separately. If you need the micro adjust that bad, then your stuff probably isn't setup properly in the first place so the imperfectness of the mix and match shouldn't matter to you. BTW, an FD isn't a chainguide, if you need one that bad put a proper one on...

    Maybe that's why Sram redesigned the FD the way they did, to force people to take some accountability with their setups and maintenance and use their equipment properly. Not just slap it on there, take up the slack in the cable and call it good. Just a thought...
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    Like the grips. Like the flare of the lock collar on the ends of the grips.

    Running 1x10 for the last year has me reconsidering GS. Would be nice to just twist 5 or 6 gears rather than click after click.

    Any word on whether these will be available as rear only ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post

    Any word on whether these will be available as rear only ?
    Probably not, since they're usually sold as a set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
    Yeah, it's similar to the new Red FD. Hopefully it wont need constant tinkering to maintain proper adjustment.

    Also, for those crying about no micro adjustment in the shifter, I'm sure you could still run a standard 9 speed FD and front grip shift and buy the 10speed rear stuff separately. If you need the micro adjust that bad, then your stuff probably isn't setup properly in the first place so the imperfectness of the mix and match shouldn't matter to you. BTW, an FD isn't a chainguide, if you need one that bad put a proper one on...

    Maybe that's why Sram redesigned the FD the way they did, to force people to take some accountability with their setups and maintenance and use their equipment properly. Not just slap it on there, take up the slack in the cable and call it good. Just a thought...
    Well, you got some people mad but I agree with you. Have only needed trim on a mtb when I was inadvertantly cross chaining, which is easily fixed by paying more attention to what I'm doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Any word on whether these will be available as rear only ?
    The 9s versions have always been available as individuals, as are all the triggers. So I would assume the new GS will be avail as a rear only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pernfilman View Post
    Pay to play, if the XX grip shifter is lighter then the trigger options, faster shifting and has an actual carbon body then it's not that bad IMO, the wait has been so long I think a lot of those people waiting will have no problem paying whatever sram is asking. I am very excited myself about these shifters. Thank you Tree Fort for providing the details. Throw those on a scale for us now
    It is very questionable that the XX grip will be lighter than XTR. With 9 speed the difference was around 20 grams, and the new grip shifts will be heavier. I use 1x9 11x36 and I spent $35.75 to get a PAIR of Attack grip shift. The weight is 82 grams, worse than my old Sachs 8 speed (56 grams), but with Shimano cable/housing/derailleur the shifting is much better, almost too smooth ... hard to see how it can be improved, and why on hearth spend $300 not to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
    Maybe that's why Sram redesigned the FD the way they did, to force people to take some accountability with their setups and maintenance and use their equipment properly. Not just slap it on there, take up the slack in the cable and call it good. Just a thought...
    So the manufacturing is playing parent? Forcing it's customers to take responsibility for set-up? If that's a case, that is a god awful business model.

    Given it took somebody less than a year to convert 9speed grip to 10 speed, yet took SRAM two years, I'd say maybe SRAM was trying to do away with grips. Definitely not a priority. If SRAM says it was a priority, then they have some really really bad engineers.

    Wish they wouldn't add carbon to the grips. It serves no function other than cosmetic. Maybe save 5 grams. The real purpose is so SRAM can jack up the price.

    My new bike came with 10speed, thus I didn't have a choice but to get 10 speed. The gearing I had set up on my 2x9 is almost identical to 2x10, yet everything for 2x10 is so damn expensive. I'm considering going back to 9-speed.

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    i have to say that i heard a lot of people, including myself, screaming for XX gripshift. SRAM delivers, sortof, and now you guys are screaming again?

    get over it.

    buy it, or don't. SRAM knows the market for these is likely smaller than for triggers thus the pricing. some will suck it up and buy them, the rest will piss and moan like little school girls.

    i count this as a huge year actually. if they do hydro road brifters for CX AND XX gripshift for the MTB that is two big wins.

    i commend you guys on sticking to your 9 spd stuff though. i am sure the prices have come way down. who wants to pay a bunch of money for stuff that just sits in the garage, am i right? now if you ride and race the bike you probably want to get the new stuff. can't argue that the new stuff is performing. i don't think the two guys in front of me at nationals were running 9spd. just sayin.

    by the way.... i did buy the modded 10spd gripshift from europe. they work, but the friction combined with the closer spacing makes them vague. i am sure that is what took SRAM a while to figure out. i am hoping it was that, and how to get them light enough to make it a viable option.

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    I like gripshift, a LOT. Why judge when the product isn't even out yet? Maybe, just maybe the construction/weight warrants the price. After the come out we can ***** and moan if they stink.

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    I have the current XO twisters in euro customized 10 spd version and my experince is that they work as well as the 9 spd version. No vagueness or ghost shifts, no problems at all last season. Don't think I'll upgrade if I don't suddenly run into problems. Running 10 spd on "old" 9 spd XO works a treat!
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    ^ See, that's all SRAM ever needed to do. The Euros had it right; the LH shifter didn't need to change at all. While I don't suppose 3x10 is fashionable at the moment, both SRAM and Shimano still offer it, so it wouldn't hurt if the new LH shifter was compatible (i.e, non-indexed, has trim function), but no... [sigh]

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDDonny View Post
    Maybe SRAM has some other mtb goodies up their sleeve that we just don't know about yet? Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see...
    Okay, so first the Type 2 rd's, what's next???

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    June... here we are.

    Are they available in real world yet?

    Can't find it in stock anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduluke View Post
    June... here we are.

    Are they available in real world yet?

    Can't find it in stock anywhere.
    QBP has them in stock! Run down to you LBS and have them order a set. They're limiting individual orders to 2 sets though...

    That's for the front/rear set, not individuals. Not available for individual shifters yet.
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    Hmmm, haven't been in here for a while. I've had X.0 gripshift for 6 weeks, got X.X gripshift 2 weeks ago. I'm in Australia and just bought from my LBS.

    X.X comes with Gore cables that include a GRUB seal that works with SRAM rear derailleurs which is cool. Otherwise function is the same. I instantly felt at home. Took me back three years to X.0 9 speed gripshift. Love it!

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    I have 3 rides on the x.0's. I love them. Positive shift feel as the 9spds. But smoother action.

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    ...And now they drop the 11speed on us...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
    ...And now they drop the 11speed on us...
    with no delay of offering GripShift, thankfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
    ...And now they drop the 11speed on us...
    Yeah, I held off from purchasing the 2X10 grippys for as long as I could! That is, until last week when Cambria had a July 4th 10% off special all week long, and on wednesday, I finally gave in and ordered a set of the XO grippys and a Type 2 rear derailleur! Then guess what? On thursday the majority of the mtb websites are all abuzz over the XX1 1X11 components!

    All I have to say is - Damn you, SRAM! Damn you for producing the drug that I need to satisfy my fix!!!

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    What's up with these..."black edition"? I can't find anything on them.

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    Finally arrived yesterday.
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    I was thinking about grabbing these for a 1x10. Curious does the rear shifter come with a grip for the other hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    I was thinking about grabbing these for a 1x10. Curious does the rear shifter come with a grip for the other hand?

    They come as a set, 2-shifters and 2-grips. But, the grips are designed to lock into the shifter for secure mounting. You can use the grip alone, but will have only one end clamped onto the handlebar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guppie58 View Post
    My new bike came with 10speed, thus I didn't have a choice but to get 10 speed. The gearing I had set up on my 2x9 is almost identical to 2x10, yet everything for 2x10 is so damn expensive. I'm considering going back to 9-speed.
    I had the same problem with my Campy road bikes. Campy solved it by making 8 & 9 sp obsolete. That forced me into 10 which is now becoming an endangered species.
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    I have received my XX twisters, I use them with ESI racer edge grips, do I need to use the 2 small plastic rings sram provided in the package? what are they for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devincicx View Post
    I have received my XX twisters, I use them with ESI racer edge grips, do I need to use the 2 small plastic rings sram provided in the package? what are they for?
    Yes, the plastic washers go between the shifter and the grip to reduce friction between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whybotherme View Post
    i have to say that i heard a lot of people, including myself, screaming for XX gripshift. SRAM delivers, sortof, and now you guys are screaming again?

    get over it.


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    On our scale, the rear shifter plus grip came in at 130g. Rear shifter alone at 93g and grip at 38g, but these are weighed without any cable or housing. SRAM’s claimed weights for both XX and X0 is 207g and includes the shifters, cables and clamps, and the grips are 80g/pair. Compared to published weights of 183g for XX triggers and 232 for X0, the new twisters land between the two triggers on the scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    Yes, the plastic washers go between the shifter and the grip to reduce friction between them.
    but I cant fit them there, do I need to take out some sort of small piece where the jaws grip normally fits in the shifter?

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    Has anyone found the covers on the inner side closest to the brakes rattles, watched a youtube video review and they said the inner cover /cowl rattled....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewfuzzy View Post
    Has anyone found the covers on the inner side closest to the brakes rattles, watched a youtube video review and they said the inner cover /cowl rattled....
    I found that no matter how much I tried to secure the cover, it still rattled. I fixed this by cutting 2 small squares of 3M double-sided tape (you know, the thick stuff!) and peeled one side and stuck it on the shifter. The other side I left unpeeled and placed the GS cover over it, and that was enough to fill the gap and prevent any rattle.
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    I got mine in last week! They move like butter!!! The 9spd "click" when you twist them, these make more of a "tick"... Very smooth. Would have liked the trim option on the front, but not a big deal.

    I'm not entirely sure about the grips though. I will need some more time on them to tell.

    But all in all, they are great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdr120 View Post
    I got mine in last week! They move like butter!!! The 9spd "click" when you twist them, these make more of a "tick"... Very smooth. Would have liked the trim option on the front, but not a big deal.

    I'm not entirely sure about the grips though. I will need some more time on them to tell.

    But all in all, they are great!

    Spill the beans! anything in particular with the grips? not grippy? too thick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewfuzzy View Post
    Spill the beans! anything in particular with the grips? not grippy? too thick?
    i did not even bother trying the jaws grips, they appear way too long. I use ESI racer edge cut to 8cm, I could probably cut another cm to have a perfect fit.

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    I'm currently running the SRAM supplied grips, and I have to agree with everyone else that says the grips are too long. Other than that, they're not too bad, although I'll probably switch back to ODI's once these wear through...

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    I've had a few rides on them now, and the grips are ok. They are thin, and grippy. But the lock ring the end of the bar is wider than the grip, so if you sometimes like to rest your palm on the bar-end, it's not the comfortable. It also makes you hold the bar about 2cm in from the end.

    I didn't have a problem with the grip length. I am going to try the ESI grips though, I've heard good things about them.

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    Ive heard the length mentioned before i had assumed that if i used them id probably use a slightly longer bar than i needed to compensate.

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    Is anyone running these w/ Shimano disc brakes (XTR/XT)?

    How's the reach with the short lever?

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    Sorry, not sure about Shimano, but here's a pic with Juicy 7's just to give you an idea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDDonny View Post
    Sorry, not sure about Shimano, but here's a pic with Juicy 7's just to give you an idea...
    Thanks, that helps. looks like in order to get two fingers on the lever you'd have your hand on the sifting section of the grip....

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    Hey everyone..Was just sent XO Grip shifters from an Ebay seller who describes the shifters as 2/3x10 compatible on his site..(The Sram box is clearly marked XO-3x10)...Now I'm not sure if I can use them..I have a 2x10 setup with an X9 FD and an XO RD..Will an XO 3x10 front shifter work properly on a 2x10 X9 FD?..I'm assuming there should be no problem with the rear shifter/rear derailleur setup with this?..I'm confused..Thanks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallai View Post
    Hey everyone..Was just sent XO Grip shifters from an Ebay seller who describes the shifters as 2/3x10 compatible on his site..(The Sram box is clearly marked XO-3x10)...Now I'm not sure if I can use them..I have a 2x10 setup with an X9 FD and an XO RD..Will an XO 3x10 front shifter work properly on a 2x10 X9 FD?..I'm assuming there should be no problem with the rear shifter/rear derailleur setup with this?..I'm confused..Thanks..
    Just adjust the limit screws so you can only make 2 shifts right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    Just adjust the limit screws so you can only make 2 shifts right?
    But is that correct?..Does the 3x10 pull more or less cable than a 2x10?..These are my thoughts..I just want to make sure before I mount these things so I can send them back unopened if need be..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallai View Post
    But is that correct?..Does the 3x10 pull more or less cable than a 2x10?..These are my thoughts..I just want to make sure before I mount these things so I can send them back unopened if need be..

    Just my thoughts: The shift motion on the new 2x10 X0's feels much shorter than the old 3x9 X0's, but the old front shifter had trimming where as the new front shifter doesn't! I'm sure the set-up you're trying to run might work, but it won't be perfect! How 'bout posting a pic of the box or the link to the ebay ad? I'd kind of like to see it. Finally, sometimes if you're trying to do something on the cheap, you get what you paid for...

    Btw, SRAM was a big proponent of the whole 2x10 concept, and I don't recall ever seeing them list a 3x10 anything on their site:

    Twister Shifters | SRAM Mountain | SRAM

    but, who knows? Maybe I'm wrong...

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    Aren't the spacings between the chainrings on 3xX and a 2xX not the same?

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    the new twist shifters are either 2x10 or 3x10. They are exclusive to that and not designed to be limited in any way. If you want to use it with a 2X10 system you have to buy a 2X10 shifter set. The 3X10 is the wrong set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDDonny View Post
    Btw, SRAM was a big proponent of the whole 2x10 concept, and I don't recall ever seeing them list a 3x10 anything on their site:

    Twister Shifters | SRAM Mountain | SRAM

    but, who knows? Maybe I'm wrong...

    Well, I stand corrected...!
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